1 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:15,780 Moe Factz with Adam Curry for September 23 2019, episode 2 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:20,550 number eight. as we wind down the month, it's time to do 3 00:00:20,550 --> 00:00:22,050 another show Moe how're you doing? 4 00:00:22,710 --> 00:00:24,300 I'm doing very well. How you doing, Adam? 5 00:00:24,330 --> 00:00:27,480 I'm doing day ending. Outstanding. Everyone really 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,780 loved the last episode got a lot of real good positive feedback 7 00:00:30,810 --> 00:00:31,260 about you. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,100 Nothing but positive feedback on this side as well. 9 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:40,790 Excellent. Excellent. So you told me I can't remember must 10 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:43,460 have been last week over the weekend, you kind of let me know 11 00:00:43,460 --> 00:00:47,360 what the what the topic would be. It may be incredibly 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,320 topical, considering the Emmy Awards last night. So I'm very 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,890 curious to see what's going to happen on today's Moe Factz with 14 00:00:54,890 --> 00:00:55,490 Adam curry. 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:04,010 Yes. The Emmys was a pleasure. Not a pleasant surprise. But I 16 00:01:04,010 --> 00:01:08,780 didn't follow that closely. But I do see one headline where I'm 17 00:01:08,990 --> 00:01:15,110 the black male. Lead. Yep. What is his name? 18 00:01:15,740 --> 00:01:19,430 Billy. Billy, his name is Billy. Right. Billy with crazy hat. 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:27,230 And this is gonna be so ironic about this. What we're going to 20 00:01:27,230 --> 00:01:30,680 talk about talk about in today's show. What happened last year 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,860 with Billy, do you remember what happened with Billy last year? 22 00:01:33,890 --> 00:01:38,060 You know, to be honest, Billy Porter, I think the keeper and I 23 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:41,270 tried to watch pose once or twice and just really couldn't 24 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:45,500 get into it. And I really, you know, I didn't think about Billy 25 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:48,950 Porter until I saw him with that hat. I'm like Joe right. Now 26 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:51,770 that's the lid right there. I haven't I can't remember at all 27 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:52,760 what happened last year? 28 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:58,100 Well, Billy's hat. Wasn't his first fashion statement. I guess 29 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:04,370 your Billy wore a dress to the Emmys. Oh, okay. And this is 30 00:02:04,370 --> 00:02:10,160 going to be very, very important to the subject that we're going 31 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,040 to talk about today. But I mean, just disavow that away, disavow 32 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,560 that word drift drift to the Emmys last year? And he wins 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,620 this year? Okay. All right. 34 00:02:24,650 --> 00:02:29,150 I hear your skepticism already. All right. Take us through it 35 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:29,600 Moe. 36 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:35,750 All right, so we start the show off on a more somber note. 37 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:39,770 What's going to lead us in today's show is what happened in 38 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:42,890 the past week? With Mr. Ed book? 39 00:02:43,010 --> 00:02:47,240 Ah, yes, yes, we've had our eye on him for a couple of years. 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,640 He's been in all kinds of trouble, but not really in 41 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,650 trouble. And now he's really in trouble. 42 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:59,330 So last show, I went on a tangent. Um, and at a later 43 00:02:59,330 --> 00:03:07,520 date, we would discuss the LGBT alliance with with black 44 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:14,750 movement, right. So with this happening with Ed buck, this 45 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:19,280 gave us the proper context. To have this conversation is funny 46 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,240 how those things work out. I didn't plan to have this 47 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,130 conversation. This or I mean, I plan to have but it's amazing 48 00:03:28,130 --> 00:03:32,570 how the timing worked out that it gave us the perfect Leap, 49 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,060 leap off point to have this conversation. So let's just get 50 00:03:38,060 --> 00:03:40,520 into a little background. We're a little clip heavy today, so 51 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,500 I'm gonna get right into it. Let's get into pre arrest. 52 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:47,210 Serial predator Ed book 53 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:50,750 investigators in California looking into the second death of 54 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:54,740 an African American man in the home of democratic megadonor. Ed 55 00:03:54,740 --> 00:03:58,610 buck. Over the span of less than two years. The man now being 56 00:03:58,610 --> 00:04:02,390 identified as 55 year old Timothy Dean, he died of an 57 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:07,910 apparent overdose back in July of 2017 26 year old Jamil more 58 00:04:07,910 --> 00:04:11,870 was found dead of a meth overdose in the same apartment. 59 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:16,070 Our next guest has been sounding the alarm on Ed buck for over a 60 00:04:16,070 --> 00:04:19,490 year. Journalist and political commentator Jasmine Kanak joins 61 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:22,460 us right now. Live from LA with more. Jasmine, good morning to 62 00:04:22,460 --> 00:04:22,640 you. 63 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,070 Good morning. 64 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:27,380 Let's start at the beginning who is Ed buck? 65 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,740 At buck is a major donor to the California Democratic Party as 66 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:37,820 well as a lot of its elected members. He's given lots and 67 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:41,030 lots of money he's a well known animal rights activist as well 68 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:43,190 as an LGBT activist. 69 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,100 No I didn't know about the animal rights part that's cool. 70 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:47,660 Yeah. 71 00:04:49,070 --> 00:04:54,410 So the these clips this this first series of clips is post 72 00:04:54,650 --> 00:05:00,020 the second man black gay man dying and Ed books. Apartment 73 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:05,420 due to drug overdose in the same manner, and prior to the third 74 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:08,780 victim, yeah, who the most recent victim that escaped, he 75 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:11,960 was able to escape. He got out alive. That's right. So just to 76 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:17,900 set that up, and so on. This is a great, great backgrounder. So 77 00:05:18,410 --> 00:05:20,060 let's get into clip number two, 78 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:24,080 you have been a democratic activist for a while you worked 79 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,410 on Capitol Hill, you are worked in California politics. This is 80 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:31,340 very upsetting to you personally, why regarding the 81 00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:32,150 Democratic Party, 82 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:38,270 because over 77% of black people in California vote Democratic, 83 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:42,050 we vote for Democrats. It is a shame that when something like 84 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:44,750 this happens when you have the chair of your state party, who 85 00:05:44,750 --> 00:05:48,290 at the time was Eric baman, who was very good friends with Ed 86 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:51,560 buck, was willing to turn a blind eye as well as instruct 87 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,980 others not to speak on it. As a black woman as a black Democrat, 88 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:58,100 I expect more from my party. That is not the type of 89 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,370 investment that black people expect from Democrats when we're 90 00:06:01,370 --> 00:06:04,970 being killed. When we are being hurt. And we're being harmed. We 91 00:06:04,970 --> 00:06:08,480 expect the Democratic Party to stand up for what's right. If it 92 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,080 was someone who was white, if it was a white gay man, I feel like 93 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,570 the Democratic Party would have took a completely different 94 00:06:14,570 --> 00:06:18,050 position. But because these are young, black gay men, who are 95 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:22,160 largely invisible, I feel like my party just feels like they're 96 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,950 not worth it. And that's absolutely wrong. 97 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,860 Yeah. And obviously, when when this came out after the second 98 00:06:30,860 --> 00:06:35,120 guy was odd in his apartment, yeah, it was pretty clear that 99 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,900 it seemed like there was some protectionism going on seeing as 100 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:42,980 Mr. Mr. Buck was a huge democratic party donor. 101 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:48,710 That is, that is correct. And it I just find it strange that 102 00:06:48,740 --> 00:06:56,240 Kamala Harris, being the pro LGBT candidate that she is, and 103 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,000 being the former da, mean of, you know, in California, and 104 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,990 holding the post that she has held in California, didn't bring 105 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:08,600 attention to this. Like she hasn't mentioned this at all. 106 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:12,980 I've searched high and low and I can't find anything her. Well, 107 00:07:12,980 --> 00:07:15,830 I'm not surprised that she hasn't. Because he I mean, he's 108 00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:19,730 a big time donor. And you know, that money trickles down or up 109 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:23,120 or however you want to look at it. across different multiple 110 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,580 campaigns. Also, I'm surprised that there were some gay rights 111 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:34,040 black gay rights groups that were addressing this, but not to 112 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:42,110 the point where you have two day black men day and a white man's 113 00:07:42,110 --> 00:07:46,010 apartment, you would think this will be all across CNN news. 114 00:07:47,270 --> 00:07:51,830 MSNBC when he when the first two bodies occurred, and just for 115 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:56,480 background, they did find syringes full of drugs in his 116 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,580 apartment, and he didn't even get a drug charge. 117 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:02,690 Yes, special privilege. Don't you realize this most in 118 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:03,620 California 119 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:11,570 donor. Right, so she makes a prediction. In the third clip, 120 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:13,520 let's hear what she makes her prediction. 121 00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:16,400 See, black men have died in this man's house of an overdose 122 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,500 within 60 within 18 months. And that is not a coincidence. Like 123 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:26,180 I said, we have nearly a dozen young men who have come forward 124 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:28,850 who are sharing their stories with detectives who have spoken 125 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:32,270 to me, this is a pattern, this is a practice of that buck, it 126 00:08:32,270 --> 00:08:35,540 is very clear that if he is not stopped, there will be a third 127 00:08:35,540 --> 00:08:36,080 body. 128 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:38,750 Okay, well, she was right on the money there. 129 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:46,220 A dozen people came forward. A dozen Yeah, this guy is a serial 130 00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:51,590 killer. Allegedly, allegedly. Okay, if the allegations are 131 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:57,500 true. He's He's killing people with the same method. And he's 132 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,430 targeting it seems to be a certain group of people. I think 133 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:06,170 that qualifies you if if the charges are true? Let's be I 134 00:09:06,170 --> 00:09:08,870 have to, you know, just for reasons we have to say that but 135 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:09,230 well, 136 00:09:09,260 --> 00:09:13,430 just just to be fair, if these are accidental overdoses, then 137 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:17,450 you know, there's it's different than a serial killer. Could be 138 00:09:17,450 --> 00:09:21,950 manslaughter. I'm not a lawyer, obviously. So I what you're 139 00:09:21,950 --> 00:09:25,400 insinuating is interesting, and it's all allegedly, is that he 140 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,700 might be doing this on purpose. That's what a true serial killer 141 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:29,300 does. 142 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,460 And then as we get more into the story, we're going to hear more 143 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:43,310 details. So now, now, we fast forward to the third victim, 144 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:48,500 luckily that God survived and him survive and he was able to 145 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:52,190 tell his tale which the other two men weren't able to tell. 146 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:57,680 And we see some action happening. So Edie was arrested 147 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,640 after 30 Victim 148 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,610 A prominent democratic donor arrested and charged with 149 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:08,090 running a drug den after three men reportedly overdose in his 150 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:11,330 Hollywood home. The most recent victims survive but two other 151 00:10:11,330 --> 00:10:15,050 men have died and Edie bucks home in the last two years. Fox 152 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:17,480 News Chief Breaking News correspondent trace Gallagher 153 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:20,810 and our West Coast newsroom with the whole story trace. 154 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:25,100 And Laura prosecutors call Ed buck a violent sexual predator 155 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:28,340 who preys on men struggling with addiction and homelessness, 156 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:32,120 luring them into his home with the promise of drugs, money and 157 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,870 shelter and adding that the full scope of his malicious behavior 158 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:39,140 is still unknown. In this latest case, buck is accused of 159 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:43,670 injecting a 37 year old man with quote dangerously large doses of 160 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:47,780 methamphetamine on September 11. Then refusing to help when the 161 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:51,530 man believed he was overdosing. He survived but others have not 162 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:54,710 been as lucky. In the past few years, two other men had been 163 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:58,280 found dead in Bucks West Hollywood apartment 26 year old 164 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,450 Jamel more 55 year old Timothy Dean both overdosed on 165 00:11:02,450 --> 00:11:05,720 methamphetamine. At the time. There wasn't enough evidence to 166 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,170 charge buck. Even though the Jamel wore Roy Moore wrote in 167 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:12,320 his journal the time, quote, I become addicted to drugs. And 168 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,890 the worst one is that Ed buck is the one to thank he gave me my 169 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:19,610 first injection of crystal meth. It was very painful. But after 170 00:11:19,610 --> 00:11:20,480 all the troubles 171 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:24,800 I became addicted, right. So and this is coming from the third 172 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,470 victim or is this still Fox News hearsay or 173 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:32,540 that was that was they found the diary of the second victim? 174 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:37,730 Right. And his that's what he wrote his his diary that, 175 00:11:38,390 --> 00:11:41,030 obviously I mean, of course, according to I mean, we have to 176 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:45,080 be careful here, according to his diary. And book is the one 177 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,600 that got him hooked on 178 00:11:48,260 --> 00:11:52,820 meth right, by your doctor by direct injection, which is bad 179 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:53,330 news. 180 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:01,940 Yeah. And the third victim was said to be given a dangerously 181 00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:10,550 high dose of meth, right. And ed ed refused to help him when he 182 00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:16,340 when he said he was overdosing. So one of the narratives were Ed 183 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:19,430 Buck was taking guys off the street, they were struggling 184 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:24,020 with addiction. And he was kind of like giving them drugs to 185 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:28,670 help them, you know, so they didn't have to go out and score 186 00:12:29,690 --> 00:12:34,280 elsewhere. But these accounts of the victims were either through 187 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,950 a diary or the third victim's actual account kind of pushed 188 00:12:39,950 --> 00:12:40,970 back against that. 189 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,380 Right. So they have a different narrative in there. And their 190 00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:46,580 accounts match. 191 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,900 Yes. And they go counter to how it was being explained away. 192 00:12:53,930 --> 00:12:56,660 Because I've been tracking this story since it first happened. I 193 00:12:56,660 --> 00:13:00,050 mean, this is this is one of the things that it didn't make it 194 00:13:00,050 --> 00:13:03,230 crossed the threshold of Black Twitter, me to white Twitter. 195 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:11,330 And in the fact that the level of details, well, I definitely 196 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,590 crossed my, my great Twitter threshold, even even the first 197 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:18,980 time around. But there's been known there's been no mainstream 198 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:22,220 news coverage, really. So that that's where, you know, that's 199 00:13:22,250 --> 00:13:25,940 the cycle, you had to get it on the across the board on the 200 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:28,550 social networks, it's got to be something that's been repeated 201 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:31,850 on cable news or, or other television stations. So yeah, 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,430 definitely low exposure to the story. 203 00:13:35,330 --> 00:13:38,480 And that's the point I was making about not making the call 204 00:13:38,510 --> 00:13:43,670 it blips on the radar. Yep. Oh, you know, but the level of 205 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:51,050 finding of a diary of one of the victims where, you know, where 206 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,590 he was saying he was being injected, those things didn't 207 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:59,420 make it, you know, didn't bubble to the surface. But now, I think 208 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:00,920 they have to get rid of Ed book. 209 00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:05,300 He's probably he's definitely problematic, 210 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:12,830 causing big problems. Because he's causing a fissure in the 211 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:18,020 voting bloc, that the Democrats have created. And this is what 212 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:23,270 more of the show is going to be about, of this. This 213 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:30,200 conglomerate of different groups, how they enter work, how 214 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,670 to intermingle that being black community and the LGBT 215 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:38,270 community. This is best where we're gonna go with this with 216 00:14:38,270 --> 00:14:39,290 this arm. 217 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:43,220 In the show, no. And here, I was thinking we were finally going 218 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:47,330 to do a true crime podcast. Oh, okay. All right, back to the 219 00:14:47,330 --> 00:14:48,770 political side. All right. 220 00:14:48,950 --> 00:14:55,040 No, you know, I have to go. I have to go left sometimes. Cuz 221 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,700 you can hear this story just to hear the story anywhere, but I'm 222 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,060 gonna give it context. I think that's what people kind of tune 223 00:15:02,060 --> 00:15:06,440 into here. But let's listen to third victim to time. 224 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:09,830 Well, reportedly, Horace He lured these young men, most of 225 00:15:09,830 --> 00:15:14,270 them younger man, to his home, is extremely affluent. He's a 226 00:15:14,270 --> 00:15:18,920 very prominent LGBT activist, and activist causes, he would 227 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,800 lure them in, and then get them addicted, as you saw on that 228 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,400 handwritten note by Mr. Moore. This is a tragic case, when you 229 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,040 look back on the facts, and Jasmine alluded to this. This 230 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,570 was known to officials for some time, why would it take so long, 231 00:15:32,570 --> 00:15:34,160 simple case of lack of evidence? 232 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,310 It's not a simple case of lack of evidence, what we see is what 233 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:41,930 looks like the Harvey Weinstein model or the Epstein model where 234 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:50,750 prominent of fluent influential Democrats in blue cities are 235 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:55,760 literally getting away with murder. We don't need three of 236 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,080 these instances, one of these, you just change the scenario 237 00:16:00,140 --> 00:16:06,020 just slightly and put the name of any publicly known Republican 238 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:10,940 and have this kind of incident happen once and I assure you, 239 00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:13,760 they don't stop until they have the guy in handcuffs. 240 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:15,800 Who was the speaking Moe who was that guy? 241 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,620 That is Horace? Ah, one second is the 242 00:16:21,620 --> 00:16:23,150 black guy or white guy. Yeah, he's 243 00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:31,670 just funny, but it was for me. Oh, he's a black guy. Okay. 244 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:34,160 Let's be clear. We don't know horse 245 00:16:34,190 --> 00:16:37,070 horse Cooper. Is that him? Horse? Cooper? Yes. On the 246 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:42,980 21st some 21st project or 21 project. And other lady is 247 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:49,610 Jasmine from the first eclipse and she's a democratic operative 248 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:54,740 operative pot pundit out and now I want to bring go back to the 249 00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:58,820 first of the clips. You heard how forceful, forceful? She was 250 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:03,860 about calling out Democrats? Yeah. Listen to her tone. And 251 00:17:03,860 --> 00:17:05,060 the next and these clips. 252 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:10,730 First of all, he he acted with impunity. He didn't care. 253 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:14,150 Secondly, I think this is less about him being a Democrat, 254 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:17,630 although that is an issue and more about the race of the 255 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:21,860 victims. And thirdly, look at the end of the day, you know, 256 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,850 you know, the the life expectancy of black gay men in 257 00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:28,880 LA County has substantially increased with him being 258 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:34,160 arrested. And that is very important, because he preyed on 259 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:39,110 black gay men. Okay, I know he's, I guess that's very 260 00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:39,770 important. 261 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:43,880 And gay, black, but I want to push back on your statement. I 262 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,360 want to push back on your statement in the bluest state 263 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:53,000 city in America. They don't care about other black men who are 264 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,990 being exploited. If they don't care there. There isn't any hope 265 00:17:57,020 --> 00:18:01,430 anywhere. Here's the much more likely story that this man's 266 00:18:01,460 --> 00:18:03,110 influence allowed 267 00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:04,310 him a lot of cover act 268 00:18:04,340 --> 00:18:08,840 with impunity. Yeah, you're here to change your hair tone. Oh, 269 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,320 yeah. From this first eclipse? Yeah. I think Miss Jasmine got 270 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,640 to talking to Oh, yeah. Like, shut that Democrat stuff down. 271 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:21,230 Make this a black issue. Because Have you heard it? And I'm 272 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:25,730 surprised you didn't catch it. She She did a double up. She 273 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:30,740 said look, at the end of the day. You're right. She you know, 274 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:31,430 she hit him back. 275 00:18:31,850 --> 00:18:35,330 She did hit him back to back. You're right. You're right. 276 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:39,320 Yeah, I feel bad now that I didn't catch that. Stupid. Yes, 277 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,550 of course. It's a double 278 00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:49,580 win. I'll clip that clip. Wow. I want to see if you caught that 279 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:52,340 when she hit it back the bat. I was like her brain was working 280 00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:55,010 overtime to pivot. 281 00:18:56,030 --> 00:18:58,160 Now what is sort of what is Jazmin Miss Jasmine's 282 00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:59,090 background. 283 00:18:59,510 --> 00:19:06,890 She's a democratic operative in California, and she was I gotta 284 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:09,890 be give her credit. She was one of the first people to take on 285 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:14,720 this Ed book story head on, as we heard, and that's why I 286 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,730 played the order clips to hear the change in narrative. Yeah. 287 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:22,040 Because she was going after the Democrats 288 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,170 and this is this is the difference between clip after 289 00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:32,900 the second death and now after the third read Okay, well, yeah, 290 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:34,880 there's a big change there for sure. 291 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:41,540 That's why you know, just to get that context. So what you hear 292 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:50,090 here is it's not about it can't be about politics and and horse 293 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:54,710 made a great point. If this had been a Republican donor, Oh, 294 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:59,900 yeah. all over all over with dead black bodies and his house 295 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:00,620 Yeah, 296 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:03,290 would have been a problem. Yes. 297 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:08,000 And this is why we look at people as being disingenuous. 298 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,210 And I hope black people will see this, and I hope even LGBT 299 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:18,470 people see this, because they don't have your it's all about 300 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:22,220 politics. It's only about politics to politicians and 301 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:22,910 their pundits. 302 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:29,210 And just to be fair, politicians speak justice easily about going 303 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:32,720 to war and killing hundreds of 1000s of people on all sides, 304 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,850 politicians do it. So they are also in a whole class have 305 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,580 removed from reality by themselves. 306 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,890 Agree and mass, that's the thing. Is their agenda driven? 307 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,220 They're not people driven. They're not they don't even 308 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:57,530 believe in the causes that they push. No, of course, it's all I 309 00:20:57,530 --> 00:21:03,590 know, stating the obvious here, but I hope people see that it's 310 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:12,290 not about your identity. They only see you as a ballot. Yeah, 311 00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:12,530 as a 312 00:21:12,530 --> 00:21:15,260 chip as a chip to be played in the big game 313 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,930 to be activated. Yeah, it is a common theme, you know, and this 314 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:27,920 podcast is all about activation. So LGBT are being activated in 315 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,630 the same way blacks are being activated. But if it's something 316 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:36,470 that doesn't benefit them bring up they they've hidden this 317 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:39,800 case, yeah, this this should be something that should be all 318 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,140 over. Let's get the clip number four. 319 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:46,460 It is not true to say that this issue turns on race. What this 320 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:51,380 issue is turning on it, that's what we need to watch is are we 321 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:54,890 allowing people right in our midst to use their wealth and 322 00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:58,730 influence to literally get away with murder? Jasmine? 323 00:21:59,060 --> 00:22:00,440 Yeah, well, that's my truth. 324 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:11,300 That's her truth. Yeah. All right. So sorry. So I think 325 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,660 we've all we've addressed all we can about the ED book, you know, 326 00:22:14,660 --> 00:22:19,040 just breaking news portion of this. But I want to look at 327 00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:23,330 what's behind this. And one of the common themes that we talked 328 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:30,680 about on the show is homelessness. plays into what 329 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:39,350 goes what why these men may perhaps been victims. Adam, have 330 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:41,870 you ever heard of survival sex? 331 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:48,530 survival sex at No. It implies though, that just to stay alive, 332 00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:51,170 you'll do whatever it takes, including having sex with 333 00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:51,620 people. 334 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,740 So let's hit Miss Tiffany Graham. She gave a TED Talk. I'd 335 00:22:57,740 --> 00:23:00,050 always loved one to take because you get you know, great 336 00:23:00,050 --> 00:23:05,420 information. Miss Tiffany gram on homelessness and sex survival 337 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:05,960 six, 338 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:10,460 let me tell you a story. Andy, which is not his real name, left 339 00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:14,990 home when he was 14 years old. He identifies as queer, which 340 00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:18,440 means that in his case, he does not identify with the 341 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,850 traditional understandings of gender or sexuality. The home in 342 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:26,960 which he was raised, however, was not a nurturing setting for 343 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,710 a child whose identity was constructed in these ways. He 344 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:34,370 was also physically and sexually abused in this home, the 345 00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:38,570 environment was so oppressive, that he could not come out of 346 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:42,500 the closet. And at one point, he attempted to commit suicide. He 347 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:46,070 knew that if he did not leave, he would try again. So he did. 348 00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:52,040 So by the age of 14, he found himself on his own, and he did 349 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,790 not have the means to take care of himself. So he began trading 350 00:23:55,790 --> 00:24:00,860 sex, for food, for shelter and for transportation. He did not 351 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:04,430 reach out to social service providers, because he feared 352 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:07,790 quite reasonably that they would either send him to foster care 353 00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:09,980 or they would send him back to his parents 354 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,970 just to go to show you survival sex is when a person trait as 355 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:18,800 you stated, when a person trades, the only commodity they 356 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,680 have their bodies for things that they need. And this 357 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,850 is a huge problem, certainly with homeless youth everywhere. 358 00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:33,680 This is a huge problem. And clip two goes into that problem. 359 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:37,970 And the story is not unusual. And it highlights a question 360 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:41,570 that many people have raised in the wake of the Supreme Court 361 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:45,860 decision legalizing same sex marriage, after spending more 362 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:49,520 than two decades focused on gaining relationship recognition 363 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,990 rights. What will the movement for LGBTQ equality focus on 364 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:58,340 next? Many options have presented themselves but one of 365 00:24:58,340 --> 00:25:01,970 the most pressing issues is Is the problem of teen homelessness 366 00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:07,400 and its particular impact on the LGBTQ community. So youth 367 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,670 homelessness, defined as homelessness affecting anyone 368 00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:15,230 under the age of 25. What does it look like, especially for 369 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:20,630 LGBTQ kids. In the two most recent studies conducted by the 370 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:23,810 Department of Housing and Urban Development, they reported the 371 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:29,120 following information to Congress, over 190,000 youth and 372 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,510 children were homeless on any given night in 2013. In 2013, 373 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:40,970 over 500,000 youth experienced a homelessness episode that lasted 374 00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:45,110 for longer than one week. unaccompanied homeless children 375 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:48,380 and youth. In other words, those who are not with their families 376 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:53,510 accounted for approximately 8% of the overall population of 377 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:59,300 homeless youth. And within that group itself, 86% of them are 378 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,750 between the ages of 18 and 24. So of course, that means that 379 00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:09,830 14% of this group were under the age of 18. Now, among this group 380 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:16,250 of unaccompanied homeless youth studies vary, but most suggest 381 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:21,830 that between 20 and 40% of them are LGBTQ. And most of the 382 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:25,790 studies have settled on a number that is closer to 40%. 383 00:26:27,050 --> 00:26:29,870 Wow, some big numbers there. And 384 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:36,650 that's some big numbers. Yeah. And we see, they brought this 385 00:26:36,650 --> 00:26:41,750 information to Congress. Well, I haven't heard this asked anyone 386 00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:47,660 on the on the Democratic side, talking point to address. Well, 387 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:50,270 there's so there's a couple things going on, I'll interject 388 00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:55,250 that. The homelessness issue is always addressed separately, you 389 00:26:55,250 --> 00:27:00,860 don't hear much about survival, sex at all. And whenever they're 390 00:27:00,860 --> 00:27:04,820 talking, whenever they the news, media, politicians talk about 391 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:07,640 homelessness, the only thing they appear to be able to talk 392 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,610 about in conjunction with that is affordable housing. So 393 00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:14,090 there's no other conversation. There's no other real 394 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,990 descriptive talk about what it is. In fact, we've gotten to a 395 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:20,660 point in our society where we can't even say homeless, you and 396 00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:24,590 I are touching the, like the third rail there. You got to say 397 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:29,900 experiencing homelessness. So yeah, it's well, I like 398 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:32,450 unhoused. But it's 399 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:36,770 funny, but yeah, but it is comical how they talk about it, 400 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:38,090 though. It's 401 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,670 it's actually extremely disappointing. Now, the one 402 00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:45,350 thing I want to say is that one of these Buck victims was 55 was 403 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:47,390 not that young, but maybe we'll get to that later. I 404 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:54,080 don't know. Yes. He? Yes, that's correct. But the other two were 405 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,270 very young men. Yes, yeah. In her 20s. So I'm making the point 406 00:27:59,330 --> 00:28:05,120 that to give context to the victims, you know, they've been, 407 00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:11,150 as the guy say, he didn't have anywhere to go. And book told 408 00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:16,640 him come live with me. And the point I'm going to get to is, 409 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,090 there is a certain class of people. As we see Epstein now, 410 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:33,380 as we see with Ed book that prey on the low class. So you have to 411 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:38,120 ask yourself, is the homelessness allowed to happen 412 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,160 because it creates a large inventory for these types of 413 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,260 predators to prey from? Oh, 414 00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:50,390 wow. Yeah, Moe. That's, that's a big question. 415 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:57,080 I know. I know. But let's get into clip three. 416 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:03,470 survival sex is an enormous issue two LGBTQ youth between 417 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:08,690 the ages of 10 and 25 are 70% more likely to engage in 418 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:13,940 survival sex, while 80% of homeless transgender youths are 419 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:17,060 more likely to have engaged in survival sex than homeless 420 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:22,670 cisgender youths? Now, what do we mean by survival sex. In 421 00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:27,530 principle, survival, sex is part of the wider commercial sex 422 00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:31,550 trade. People who engage in survival sex do so because they 423 00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:37,310 literally have no other way to survive. So they exchange sex 424 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:40,790 for money, they exchange sex for shelter, they exchange it for 425 00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:44,390 food, clothing, or any other good which is a necessity of 426 00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:44,840 life 427 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,090 or drugs, obviously, 428 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:58,040 or drugs. So I asked a question. And I'm being serious when I 429 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:04,460 asked this question that We see that a person that St. He was a, 430 00:30:04,550 --> 00:30:10,580 I think the credit words purveyor for people that were 431 00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:13,730 into the type of thing that he was providing, correct, which 432 00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:17,900 will be young girls. Yes. And in this clip that we just played, 433 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:22,490 she said a kid as young as 10. Yeah, 10 years old. 434 00:30:22,550 --> 00:30:27,830 And by the way, participate, I talked to Alan Graham from very 435 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:33,620 successful homelessness project here in Austin. And he said, 436 00:30:33,650 --> 00:30:38,630 This is so this isn't that with young kids is not just 437 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:45,110 perpetrated by old rich guys. It is part of the homelessness 438 00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:48,770 experience. Sadly, this happens all the time. And it's actually 439 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:52,370 something people really don't talk about much. I'm surprised 440 00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:55,220 that this came on this on the TED talk, you don't you can't 441 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,230 find many clips where people will talk about that. 442 00:30:57,620 --> 00:31:03,530 I had to dig for this. You are very, you're right. So what that 443 00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:09,020 leaves me is to, in recent, a couple of our last show, I 444 00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:13,490 brought up a guy named Malik Yoba. And Malik Yoba has been, 445 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:19,340 he's a, he's an actor, famous black actor. And he's been on 446 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:28,700 the forefront pushing the trans agenda. Specifically, and why he 447 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:36,110 did that. Transitioning to trans, I get this mixed up trans 448 00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:38,570 female, a man. 449 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:45,440 Here's here's how I understand it. As a trans woman is a man 450 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:48,110 who identifies and is transitioning or has 451 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:52,430 transitioned to a woman. And the reason why seems to be the the 452 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:59,240 most common occurrence of of trans is male to females from 453 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,650 what I'm seeing anecdotally, 454 00:32:01,490 --> 00:32:03,500 the reason why I have trouble with that, because then they say 455 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,750 I'm a real woman. So I want to make sure I get that, right. I 456 00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:11,420 don't want to offend anybody. But a trans woman came out and 457 00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:17,150 said, How are you being pro trans, when you used to 458 00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:23,480 participate, allegedly, allegedly in survival six, as 459 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,610 she went on this long, Instagram tirade, explaining how he would 460 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:36,620 interact with her when she was a young person. Media silence on 461 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:44,390 her media silence. So I'm going to show you these agendas, don't 462 00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:49,310 really care about the victims. And they've been pushing this 463 00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:54,200 whole thing and now he's saying, men that don't try to date trans 464 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,300 women are homophobic Yes, 465 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:57,530 yeah, I've heard this. Sure. 466 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,520 That's his push. And he got a lot of pushback. 467 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,590 They're transphobic. Sorry to be correct, that men who won't date 468 00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:09,290 trans women are transphobic 469 00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:15,290 transphobic. So he got a lot of pushback for this from 470 00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:19,910 heterosexual males or heterosexual agenda in the black 471 00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:24,320 community. So that goal that leads us to this question is 472 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,210 gay, the new black? 473 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:30,440 I understand the tension is on both sides, you know, black 474 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,950 folks that can we have some can we get something that's ours? 475 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:37,940 Ain't nobody appropriate alternative jazz? Can we keep 476 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:43,070 the civil rights? Everybody ain't black. Now, here's, here's 477 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:45,530 the thing that I think a lot of black people miss, is that it's 478 00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:48,140 real flattery for people to try to compare themselves to black 479 00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:51,530 people. You know, hey, we want to be black. We're down like 480 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:54,140 them. It's an insult to a lot of black people like hate the same 481 00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:58,010 thing. Go dog. So slow down with that. What's interesting to me, 482 00:33:58,010 --> 00:34:01,610 though, is that many African American people forget that the 483 00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:05,120 Civil Rights Movement itself was borrowed. Right, then then pay 484 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,200 some some royalties to Mahatma Gandhi, because that's where 485 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,710 King got it. 486 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:17,030 Well, in light of the Emmys last night, right now there is 487 00:34:18,170 --> 00:34:22,100 there's a lot of groups gearing up for October 8, there's going 488 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:27,440 to be a hearing the Supreme Court about Title Seven, which 489 00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:31,760 is Title Seven of the Civil Rights Act, but their focus is 490 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,120 purely on transgendered rights, 491 00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:40,700 not black. Well, we've seen this before with soon as the rapper 492 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:45,500 reparations talks came up from black people in the New York 493 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,440 Times wrote an article about gay reparations. 494 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:53,270 Yes, and and who else was say it wasn't, was a Kamala Harris. Did 495 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:55,400 she say that? There was some there was some other gay 496 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,710 reparations so a recent candidate I can't remember 497 00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:58,280 exactly. 498 00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:01,880 I can't I can't remember. I remember the incidents well by I 499 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,380 can't remember exactly who. So now we have this push that was 500 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:09,350 that for people who don't know, that was Michael Eric Dyson 501 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:17,060 speaking on is gay, the new black. And as he said that it is 502 00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:23,840 almost an insult. Some black people receive it as an insult 503 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,720 that you tried to equate the two things. 504 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:29,090 Well, I can I can understand that. 505 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,400 But then he goes on to say, well, you, you borrow the and 506 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,870 this guy's like this. He knows where he's from academia, you 507 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:45,050 know, so he understands he has to walk that line. Because he 508 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:50,780 can't piss off the black people. Because that's part of his 509 00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:54,380 support. But then he also can't piss out the LGBT because he'll 510 00:35:54,380 --> 00:36:02,630 get ran out of, you know, his position at a university. So he 511 00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:09,290 in in June, June 23, Elizabeth Warren reintroduced a bill on 512 00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:14,270 the campaign trail, which could mean a $57 million tax refund 513 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:19,670 for married LGBT couples. It is characterized as Warren 514 00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:23,570 promising reparations for gay couples just to tie that in 515 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:24,020 right up. 516 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,830 And that's what pisses even me off. 517 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:29,390 It pisses me off. 518 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:36,500 How do you jump in this? How do you jump us in line? How did 519 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:45,020 this happen? You took our president? I mean, okay. Ours, I 520 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:48,590 mean, but let me we get, we're gonna have a real conversation 521 00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:52,280 today. Folks, let me start. Let me just turn down your trigger 522 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,010 down a little bit, because we want to have a real conversation 523 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,520 as a sentiment among amongst black people that we already had 524 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,030 to talk about being patient the first term and then he was going 525 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:08,540 to post a turn up and turnout on the second term, right. Obama, 526 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:13,100 he talked about about Obama by President Obama. We turned out 527 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:17,570 we voted him not with me, but as a people, we voted him and twice 528 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:22,940 the expectation was a second term. He was going to know 529 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:27,380 really push our agenda. That was that that was this unspoken 530 00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:34,310 expectation. Right? Well, he did turn up. Yep. But not for us. 531 00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:34,700 No, 532 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,380 I know exactly what he turned up for. 533 00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,830 For gay marriage. No 534 00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:40,640 bathrooms. 535 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:45,260 I was getting there. I'm sorry. Trash that transgender bathroom. 536 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:48,500 I mean, that's the Yeah, you lie. You light up the White 537 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:57,140 House with a rainbow flag? Yeah. Um, he gives all these gay 538 00:37:57,140 --> 00:38:02,510 historic Civil Rights people. These awards, the highest 539 00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:06,380 awards. One is going to be addressed in the next clip. 540 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:08,090 MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, too. 541 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:12,050 I think that gay back gay people do black people a favor and 542 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:15,350 first of all, let's what are we forgetting here? Some gay people 543 00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:21,140 happen to be black? It is not like they told them Oh, you're 544 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:23,270 gay. You don't have to go to the bank say upfront with us. 545 00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:31,700 Because you're looking for delicious today. You go to the 546 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:37,370 head of the bus. I don't make the news. I'm just recording 547 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:37,790 right here. 548 00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:43,640 They got no exemption. James Baldwin spoke for black people 549 00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:49,490 as a black gay man. Barber Smith. Now Audra Lorda. without 550 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:52,580 buying Ruston, straight black people would never enjoy the 551 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:56,780 rights they enjoy now. Adam Clayton Powell called Martin 552 00:38:56,780 --> 00:39:00,110 Luther King Jr. up and said, I'm going to tell a lie that you 553 00:39:00,110 --> 00:39:05,600 invited Russ in the heaven and affair if you don't put him out. 554 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,930 You know, and you may be getting to this. Who was the first? The 555 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:13,580 first guy he mentioned? 556 00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:19,850 They are arrested. No. Yeah, yeah. 557 00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:23,090 No, that was no no the other name. 558 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,020 Adam Clayton Powell. No, before that. Shoot. We're gonna we're 559 00:39:30,020 --> 00:39:30,920 gonna put back out 560 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,480 here. Let me see. I think it was here. 561 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,370 I don't make the news. I'm just recording right here. No, they 562 00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:40,640 ain't got no exemption. James Baldwin spoke 563 00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:45,890 up James Baldwin. That's what I meant. Yes. Bobby quoted James 564 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:48,530 Baldwin yesterday and he says in his acceptance speech. 565 00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:57,380 And you know what? Michael Eric Dyson is being disingenuous. And 566 00:39:57,380 --> 00:40:02,270 we're going to see this. A lot of the blood At first, when you 567 00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:05,600 say first person to do this first person to do that, we're 568 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:12,380 LGBT. Oh, we're gonna talk about Mr. Alan Lee. We're a lot the 569 00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:19,310 first Rhodes Scholar. Um he was the father of the little hand on 570 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:25,430 myself but he was the father of of the Harlem Renaissance that I 571 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:29,630 brought up last time. Yes. Okay. This is where we're headed. He's 572 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:34,250 being very disingenuous. Because we as we're gonna point out, 573 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,500 you're saying throughout your saying the duration of this 574 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:43,310 show, a lot of black first, we're LGBT. But he brings up Mr. 575 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:47,270 Bae RT Rustin Have you ever heard of Mr. br wrist? I have 576 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:52,730 not. Okay. Ah, let's listen to civil rights pioneer 577 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,250 fired was at heart a militant and revolutionary in the fight 578 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,270 for civil rights, 579 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,570 Byard. Rustin served as a trusted adviser to Dr. Martin 580 00:41:02,570 --> 00:41:05,630 Luther King Jr. during the Montgomery Bus Boycott, but 581 00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:10,280 better known for organizing the iconic 1963 March on Washington 582 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,700 than one man in America who could do it did it and that's 583 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:16,310 why it happened. It had an architect his name was via 584 00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:16,940 Drosten. 585 00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:20,960 But in a time when intolerance ran high Rustin stood out for 586 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,420 more than just his work on civil rights. 587 00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:28,490 It was just one of these facts of life by it is gay. He doesn't 588 00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:31,490 hide it. I said to somebody wants that he never knew there 589 00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:33,380 was a closet to go into 590 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:37,970 by had been attacked, both for his homosexuality and his old 591 00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:39,230 his political views. 592 00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:42,530 Strom Thurmond did it on the floor of the United States, 593 00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:42,860 Senator 594 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,970 Thurmond, reference reston's 1953 arrests on a public sex 595 00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:47,600 charge. 596 00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:54,230 The senator is interested in attacking me, because he is 597 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:58,100 interested in destroying the movement, he will not get away 598 00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:58,910 with this. 599 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,770 So they the perception is black people have never been accepting 600 00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:11,120 of homosexuals. Everybody that was Black had to be closeted, 601 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:15,500 but as you're seeing here, we had a lot of people and 602 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:20,660 prominent positions that were openly gay. Yeah. Bay aren't 603 00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:25,820 resting in 1986 on when he was addressing the New York State 604 00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:31,520 gay rights bill, to he gave a speech. The new niggers are 605 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:39,470 gays. And here's a clip. Oh, so I have a quote though. Oh, good, 606 00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:43,100 good, good. He says today, blacks are no longer the litmus 607 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:47,450 paper and this is 1986. The today blacks are no longer the 608 00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:51,560 litmus paper or the barometer of social change. Blacks are in 609 00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:55,040 every segment of society and there are laws that help to 610 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,760 protect them from racial discrimination. The new 611 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,530 neighbors are gays in this in this sense, the gay people are 612 00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:06,860 the new barometer for social change. The question of social 613 00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:09,920 change should be framed with the most vulnerable group in mind 614 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,580 gay people 615 00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:17,300 and he said this in 1986 1986 Can I just say something I love 616 00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:22,040 you schooling me i Okay, I'm learning this is great. 617 00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:29,510 So this is where the gays are the new blacks talking point was 618 00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:37,430 really birth Oh, so let's get into gays are the Civil Rights 619 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:38,930 pioneer to it wasn't 620 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:42,500 the first time Breslin sexuality came under attack sometimes from 621 00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,500 his own people, including the Democratic congressman from 622 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:46,070 Harlem, 623 00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:51,500 there was the possibility of a rumor being circulated by Adam 624 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:55,820 Clayton Powell, that Byard Rustin and Martin Luther King, 625 00:43:56,060 --> 00:44:00,260 Jr. We're having in the fear King press the bard to take a 626 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:01,130 back seat. 627 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:08,660 So that's got the back seat is gonna be very I don't know if 628 00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:14,900 that was a shoe trying to come out. But so you have kings right 629 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,140 hand man and from Bay art rustlers accounts. He really 630 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:23,210 trained King. It wasn't just a visor. He's the one that taught 631 00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:28,820 King about the Gandhi the whole Gandhi thing, right? Um, and 632 00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:34,070 let's be clear, okay. So they were being investigated, right? 633 00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:36,200 By J. Edgar 634 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,630 Hoover FBI was all over him as well. No 635 00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:41,450 one knows. So now we're gonna give him I'm gonna give you 636 00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:44,810 by the way J Edgar Hoover loved his dresses. 637 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:49,820 Not only that, but J Edgar Hoover was allegedly a black man 638 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,080 we don't get to keep anybody anymore. You guys taken all All 639 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,070 of our heroes. 640 00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:07,190 We don't want just kidding. We're trying to bend over for 641 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,730 Well, I'm just you know, I'm just going to look him up 642 00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:11,120 because 643 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,130 Washington Post I have the article here Okay. Was J Edgar 644 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:22,820 Hoover black barber a Reynolds from the Washington Post says in 645 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:26,960 some quarters the ratio of aroma has have been whispered about as 646 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,160 widely as homosexuality. Eastwood avoidance of the issue 647 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,540 as entry to the movies main storyline. As Hoover was digging 648 00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:39,260 up dirt on President spying on her and harassing civil rights 649 00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:43,610 leaders. He was crossed JC and carrying on an affair with Clyde 650 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:50,600 Tolson, the FBI number two man. It says McGann McGee said in 651 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,310 1950s, I was a younger This is allegedly his cousin, in 19. In 652 00:45:55,310 --> 00:45:59,360 the late 1950s, I was a young girl growing up in rural McComb, 653 00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:03,110 Mississippi, a story had been passed down through several 654 00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:07,070 generations, that the land we lived on was owned by the Homer 655 00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:11,840 family. My grandmother, my grandfather told me that that 656 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,190 this powerful man Edgar was his second cousin, and was passing 657 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:19,850 for White. If we talked about this, he was so powerful he 658 00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:24,170 could come help us killed. I grew up terrified about all of 659 00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:29,090 this. But after, but later the educator and researcher on Earth 660 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:32,960 enough information by digging through altered court records or 661 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,100 interviews with both white and black Hoover's, and the help of 662 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:43,160 licenses on Jeanne Elise, to substantiate the rumors that had 663 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,610 that she had her as a child that Hoover was a relative. 664 00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:51,140 And I have the Washington I'm gonna I'm gonna put that in, in 665 00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:55,910 our show notes. Actually. That's Oh, that's dynamite. Well, man. 666 00:46:56,180 --> 00:47:02,060 So now you have a black alleged gay man investigating another 667 00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:09,050 black man. And so they brought up so just to give that context. 668 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:14,600 So they spoke about Mr. Adam Clayton Powell. So all of these 669 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:20,900 figures come from one place. Harlem, yes. They all stemmed 670 00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:26,870 from Harlem because Harlem was the hotbed of blackness ever 671 00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:31,550 since the late 1920s. When you had the black when you had the 672 00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:38,780 Harlem Renaissance Yes. But so what just to go about br Ruston 673 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:42,710 they are wrestling was not a saint, and there was a reason 674 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:46,370 why they are resting had to step away from the civil rights 675 00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:49,220 movement. They are arrested arrested. 676 00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:58,010 Though I was extremely fond of him, I knew that he was 677 00:47:58,010 --> 00:48:01,250 interested in meeting lots of other people and occasionally 678 00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:04,580 they turned up to in my bed when I wasn't expecting that 679 00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:12,620 FBI field report. On January 21 1953, Ruston was arrested by the 680 00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:16,040 police department in Pasadena, California, as a suspected 681 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,110 sexual pervert. He was charged with lewd vagrancy and sentenced 682 00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:23,060 to 60 days in the county jail. 683 00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:32,330 That was pretty fast news for the past plus community that 684 00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:35,840 fired had been arrested in Pasadena. All the other arrests 685 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,650 he had were on grounds for principle that this was an 686 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:42,020 arrest where he knew he was wrong. I don't mean morally 687 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:45,050 wrong, because it was a sexual encounter. I mean, it was stupid 688 00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:48,080 to get arrested on the backseat of a car with two guys in a 689 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,640 public place and he knew this. 690 00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:53,270 Wow, I don't know why but for some reason, this reminds me of 691 00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:54,200 George Michael. 692 00:48:57,020 --> 00:49:00,320 It's similar. Yeah. It's very, very it's very which which 693 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,400 destroyed his career destroyed him. That's my personal belief. 694 00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:10,220 And when they arrested him being arrested it make it you know, 695 00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:13,160 they could kind of gloss over him being gay men said the lady 696 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,580 stated in the previous clips, he didn't know a closet. So it 697 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:19,430 wasn't like, you know, people didn't know he was gay. I didn't 698 00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:22,700 know he was gay. Right? It was very clear he was gay but the 699 00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:25,820 fact that him getting arrested made him look 700 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,190 you know, like a, like a deviant like a 701 00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:36,860 lack of deviant for me. Yeah, I was gonna Yeah, exactly. So they 702 00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:39,740 brought up Mr. A Adam Clayton Powell and Adam Clayton Powell 703 00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:46,640 was a seem to be a religious person. He came from a religious 704 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,270 family that's to say that so they make it seem like you know, 705 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:56,150 Adam Clayton Powell was coming out to be out wrestling because 706 00:49:56,150 --> 00:50:00,050 he was gay. And he made that thread about him and Kane being 707 00:50:00,050 --> 00:50:04,700 lovers because he was gay. The thing about kink the real issue 708 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,700 about King and they are wrestling was they are wrestling 709 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:14,420 with a communist. And they were worried about the influence of 710 00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:18,170 the Communist Party on King and the civil rights movement. And 711 00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:20,720 we're gonna that's gonna be a shelf for a later date because 712 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,350 that's a whole nother rabbit hole of communism fell within 713 00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:25,760 the black community, but well 714 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,000 and that also played out around that same time then with J. 715 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,150 Edgar Hoover, you know, we had and we had the Church Committee 716 00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:33,500 and all kinds of crazy stuff. 717 00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:39,320 Now you see why they reason not. Now you see why they were really 718 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,170 investigating him. Hoover being a gay black man. He should 719 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:50,300 really empathize with them about gayness or being black. But the 720 00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:54,200 commie isn't as dark. That was the real influence. And now 721 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,520 we're getting to the Boulais part. Oh, Adam Clayton Powell 722 00:50:58,550 --> 00:51:04,520 was big Boulais out of Harlem. And you got to see this Adam 723 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,810 Clayton Powell threat. 724 00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:09,410 Adam Clayton Powell, in one blacks picketing Democratic 725 00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:13,940 Convention. In fact, he went so far as to warn King that if King 726 00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:17,330 did not withdraw support from that demonstration, he would go 727 00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:20,450 to the press and say there was a sixth full affair going on 728 00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:26,330 between me and King. Martin was so terrified by this threat. 729 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:32,930 Wow. It was about the Democratic Convention course. Not them 730 00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:36,680 being gay. He didn't want them protest in the Democratic 731 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,880 Convention. That's why I say Adam Clayton Powell was Boulais. 732 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:43,190 And you're gonna start this training for people who 733 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:47,330 are new Boulais is and we've discussed this, I think as far 734 00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:51,020 back as Episode One, black Illuminati, easiest way to 735 00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:53,900 describe it. It's not completely accurate, but it gives you the 736 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:55,970 general idea. That's correct. 737 00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:59,630 Yeah, this the black elites are the Boulais aren't, you know, 738 00:51:59,990 --> 00:52:05,030 like I said, they're the black wing of the Illuminati or, or 739 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:09,440 the protectors or the Illuminati. So, yeah, Adam 740 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,130 Clayton Powell have political motives. And what you're seeing 741 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:18,890 here is two divides of people. Black groups that were backed by 742 00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:24,230 two different pools of money. The best way I can explain that 743 00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:27,650 in modern day times, it's like Black Lives Matter on one side, 744 00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:33,710 being backed by a democratic liberal agenda, correct? Yeah. 745 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:38,090 Money. And then you have, I don't know if it's fair, but I'm 746 00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:41,720 just as an example, you have somebody say, like, as Candace 747 00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:47,480 Owens being backed by conservative talking points, 748 00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:51,410 gotcha. Or motors, this is what you have. And this is this goes 749 00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:56,600 all the way back to Harlem. Because Harlem was the the, you 750 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,140 know, the ground zero for blackness, so that you had these 751 00:53:00,140 --> 00:53:06,380 two powers fighting for control of it. So just to give you 752 00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:10,070 context of who Adam Clayton Powell is, I have a short clip 753 00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:12,530 of Adam Clayton Powell explaining black power. 754 00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:20,360 That thing again, means me gonna walk side by side with you walk 755 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:26,000 through you're gonna be with dignity and integrity. We don't 756 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,020 want any more than you have. And we're not gonna accept any less 757 00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:31,850 than you have at back. 758 00:53:35,810 --> 00:53:37,940 Where was this? Where to? Where did you say this? 759 00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:41,780 Do you know, this was 1968. He was giving a speech, I believe 760 00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:46,580 in California. Okay. So if you hear if you listen to him 761 00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:50,330 closely, he brought the word dignity twice. So what you're 762 00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:54,230 hearing is like really the conservative wing, he was more 763 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:57,770 on the conservative side of things. And when you have people 764 00:53:57,770 --> 00:54:02,450 like BRST, who was clearly on the liberal side of things, you 765 00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:10,910 can hear where I'm where these two divots happen. So we have to 766 00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:15,410 go back to Harlem now, because Adam Clayton Powell, came out of 767 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,090 the biggest church in Harlem at the time, and they are rusting 768 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:27,020 cut his teeth, and Harlem at the same time, so these two people 769 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,690 were very aware of each other. So just to give a background, 770 00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:36,380 it's a little long, it's not very cologne. But let's listen 771 00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:38,510 to queer in Harlem. 772 00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:42,800 Hey, all intellectual aka Lexa Joan day of intellectual media, 773 00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:48,320 and this is Two Minute history. So let's talk about black 774 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,140 queerness. During the Harlem Renaissance, as Henry Louis 775 00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:55,190 Gates put it, Harlem was surely as gay as it was black queer 776 00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:58,430 identities were relatively numerous. In fact, transgender 777 00:54:58,430 --> 00:55:01,250 people were common among the working class group of Harlem 778 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,950 there was an event called the Hamilton lodge ball which 779 00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:07,430 delighted 1000s of spectators both white and black alike. 780 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,100 Although the black trans community was a definite target 781 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:13,700 of Irish cops, they still dare to exist. prominent writers like 782 00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:17,660 Langston Hughes, Claude McKay and Kelsey Cullen were queer. 783 00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:21,140 Many shelled surreptitious same sex desire in their work, but 784 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:23,900 due to their elite status in the company they kept, they 785 00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:27,230 displayed traditional gender and sexual identities in public 786 00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:30,170 homosexuality was a frequent theme and counts a Collins's 787 00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:32,870 work and there are even surviving love letters he wrote 788 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:36,320 to men several jazz musicians who regularly played in Harlem 789 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,140 clubs had same sex relationships, including Ethel 790 00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:42,500 Waters, who was bisexual. Gladys Bentley was a regular Harlem 791 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,500 performer who often wore men's clothes and flirted with the 792 00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:49,070 women in the audience. Madam CJ Walker's daughter, a prominent 793 00:55:49,070 --> 00:55:52,730 Harlem socialite, was known to uninvite people from her pop and 794 00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:56,840 parties if they dared speak out against LGBT people. She loved 795 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,470 to surround herself with black lesbians and gays, noncognitive 796 00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:03,380 black queerness may not have been accepted everywhere. But 797 00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:07,160 the population of black queers in Harlem in the 1920s tells the 798 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,060 rational person that black sexuality has been and will 799 00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:15,320 continue to be multifaceted. Black queerness isn't some 800 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,970 conspiratorial agenda, nor is it new. When shown freedom or 801 00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:23,810 tolerance, black queers will reveal themselves in greater 802 00:56:23,810 --> 00:56:24,380 numbers. 803 00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:31,040 I'll point out there that everyone she mentioned, was an 804 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,580 entertainer or an entertainer or in the arts, and I think that 805 00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:40,070 may have a little bit more to do with queerness or recognition of 806 00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:44,000 self in those particular communities where it's artistic. 807 00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:45,860 And I think that's historically 808 00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:49,460 true. Yes, and that Well, according to John Legend, 809 00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:55,460 you can't be creative if you're not a Democrat. That's exactly 810 00:56:55,460 --> 00:57:00,920 right. Right. Right. So, man, yeah, you making me want to play 811 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,680 that clip? Now? You know, it's like, Yeah, hold on a second, I 812 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,630 get to play a clip here. Listen to John Legend. 813 00:57:05,660 --> 00:57:10,550 Well, we've always been liberal musicians, actors, it's almost 814 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:15,170 by disposition. We deal with the gay and lesbian community all 815 00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:17,870 the time. So we're going to feel like, they should have the right 816 00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:22,070 to get married, just like we do. We deal with people of all 817 00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:25,400 colors in all races, and we traveled to different countries 818 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,860 all the time to perform. So we're going to have a more 819 00:57:27,860 --> 00:57:32,270 global view and a more inclusive view. It's almost by nature, and 820 00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:38,150 by and by a circumstance of the things that we do. So if America 821 00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:42,890 doesn't want to consume the art of people who are liberal 822 00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:45,350 minded, there's not going to be a lot of art for them to 823 00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:49,010 consume, as simple as that. Because the best artists, most 824 00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:52,340 of them are liberal, sorry. There are some country artists, 825 00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:55,100 I know they're conservative. I have a lot of country artists 826 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:57,680 that have friends. And believe me, some of them are liberal, 827 00:57:57,710 --> 00:58:00,380 but they don't make a big deal out of it, because they know, it 828 00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:03,860 will alienate their base. I'm telling you, most creative 829 00:58:03,860 --> 00:58:05,000 people are liberal. 830 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,100 And when John Legend says it, you know, it's 831 00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:12,770 true. So you have to ask, what was really the Harlem 832 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:18,500 Renaissance are really about, according to Mr. Henry Louis 833 00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,920 Gates, Jr. I know you're familiar with him, of course, he 834 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,450 says, and in his essay in 1993, essay, the black man's burden 835 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,420 that the hall, the Harlem Renaissance was surely as gay as 836 00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:37,370 it was black. as gay as it was black, 837 00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:40,250 all right, well, but the Renaissance, the Renaissance was 838 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,110 an artistic movement, 839 00:58:42,290 --> 00:58:46,670 correct? Yes. Okay. All right. So the, so the powers that be 840 00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:51,200 understood. So when we talk about poetry, poetry at the time 841 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,220 was very influential. And you know, in those times, music as 842 00:58:55,220 --> 00:58:59,120 well, so they understood and as they understand now, it's, I'm 843 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:06,110 trying to get people to really notice that it's the same 844 00:59:06,110 --> 00:59:11,210 mindset. Now you have conservatives on one side, which 845 00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:14,540 are about business and controlling the business aspect. 846 00:59:14,570 --> 00:59:17,750 And then you have liberals on the other side about controlling 847 00:59:17,780 --> 00:59:22,430 art and pushing their agendas through, you know, 848 00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:27,740 through art and for the, for the few people, because the ratings 849 00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:32,480 were atrocious, who saw the Emmys last night that was 850 00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:37,490 produced and broadcast on Fox. So of course, they have to put 851 00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:40,760 in, you know, something they want to promote. And they had 852 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:46,520 Tim Allen, who, whose show last man standing was canceled on I 853 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,870 want to say ABC, that he was then picked up by Fox. They made 854 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:53,900 him come out and you could see it, it was the most 855 00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:58,400 uncomfortable moment. One of the most uncomfortable moments 856 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,700 during the entire show. He's standing there as a known 857 01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:06,890 conservative in this liberal den. And it was Yeah, I mean, it 858 01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:10,280 was, you could see it right there. What was going on? He was 859 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,290 a fish out of water on his own network. 860 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:21,830 And you know, that was May maybe they were trying to, you know, 861 01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:25,910 humiliate him in a way. Who knows? I mean, that's how I 862 01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:32,000 receive it as how you're telling you. Oh, so we brought up a key 863 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:38,570 figure. And this whole Harlem Renaissance was Mr. Allen, Leroy 864 01:00:38,570 --> 01:00:44,150 Locke. So that's the guy are previously mentioned as being 865 01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:48,740 the first black Rhodes Scholar. Adam, can you tell me a little 866 01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:51,020 thing, anything about the Rhodes Scholars? 867 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,250 Well, the Rhodes Scholarship to me is something that elite kids 868 01:00:58,250 --> 01:01:03,200 get the ones that are being prepped to become leaders. If 869 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,990 you look at who's Rhodes Scholar, famously, of course, 870 01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:12,320 Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, but there's I have a feeling that 871 01:01:12,350 --> 01:01:21,740 our current probably liberal candidates, I want to say I 872 01:01:21,740 --> 01:01:24,830 can't I know one of them is, at least one of them's a Rhodes, 873 01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:28,520 Cory Booker, I think as a Rhodes Scholar, so yes, it's kind of an 874 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,560 elitist launching platform. 875 01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:32,990 So as liberal leaning, is what you were saying. I 876 01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:36,290 would say that that's the indication says yes. 877 01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:41,570 Okay, so let's get into Oxford University Press. Who was Alain 878 01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:42,020 Locke? 879 01:01:42,050 --> 01:01:44,660 Well, Alain Locke was a philosopher. He was born in 880 01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:49,070 1880s. And he taught at Howard University. He was the first 881 01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:53,030 black person to get a PhD in philosophy from Harvard 882 01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:56,750 University. He was also the first African American Rhodes 883 01:01:56,750 --> 01:02:00,440 Scholar to Oxford. But the most important thing is that he's 884 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,070 often considered the godfather of the Harlem Renaissance, the 885 01:02:04,070 --> 01:02:08,300 Black Arts Movement of the 1920s with people like Langston 886 01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:15,020 Hughes, Zora Neale Hurston, Claude McKay, a really a bevy of 887 01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:19,400 artists and writers who emerged for the first time with the idea 888 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,510 that you could write about the black experience creatively and 889 01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:27,800 be rewarded for it. And he was a self organized cultural 890 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,300 producer, who created the opportunities for these artists. 891 01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:35,690 And he came up with this concept of the new Negro he was already 892 01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:40,040 around, but he interpreted as that of being the quintessential 893 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,590 American artists who mined the black experience, folklore, the 894 01:02:45,590 --> 01:02:50,240 spirituals and turn that into high art. So he was really a 895 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:55,910 person who brought the interpretive context for black 896 01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:59,210 artists to be appreciated, really, for the first time. 897 01:03:01,370 --> 01:03:06,740 So that's Mr. Allen lop. So, he was very liberal leaning, and I 898 01:03:06,740 --> 01:03:11,030 have a quote from him. It says lot wrote in Oxford, wrote from 899 01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:16,160 Oxford in 1910, that the primary aim and obligation of a Rhodes 900 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,960 Scholar is to acquire at Oxford and abroad gently a liberal 901 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,180 education and to continue subsequently, the road mission 902 01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:30,710 of international understanding throughout life in his own 903 01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:35,390 country. Therefore, for once more it should be, it should 904 01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:38,840 prove impossible for nations to understand one another as 905 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,370 nations then they must learn to tolerate tolerate each other as 906 01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:46,460 individuals. So he was a globalist? Well, from 907 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,060 the book of knowledge, Wikipedia, I read verbatim the 908 01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:53,540 scholarships were founded for two reasons to promote unity 909 01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:57,260 within the British Empire, and to strengthen diplomatic ties 910 01:03:57,260 --> 01:04:02,120 between Britain and the United States of America. And the US 911 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:06,890 their second one. Rhodes also bequeath scholarships to German 912 01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:10,280 students in the hope that a good understanding between England 913 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,070 Germany and the United States of America will secure the peace of 914 01:04:13,070 --> 01:04:17,630 the world of course, they went on to all fight each other, just 915 01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:19,100 10 years later, but Okay, 916 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,300 so you have this guy, he becomes a Rhodes Scholar, and he finds 917 01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:27,860 himself in Harlem putting together this conglomerate of 918 01:04:28,220 --> 01:04:33,740 black artists, which was called the talented 10th. And this is 919 01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:39,320 where we're gonna head now is the mind state of two well known 920 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:47,450 black men. We spoke about one W EB Dubois and he was pro town 921 01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:51,290 the 10. And what he thought was if you elevate the top 10% of 922 01:04:51,290 --> 01:04:55,220 black people, then they will uplift the black race in that 923 01:04:55,220 --> 01:05:03,800 way. That was oppositely a See, Mr. Booker T. Washington, Booker 924 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,330 T. Washington believe that you built from the ground up, you 925 01:05:08,330 --> 01:05:13,640 know, you built a working class of black people in trades and 926 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,580 things of that nature and the USI. One was thinking top down 927 01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:20,720 and one was thinking bottom up, just over super oversimplify two 928 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,260 sides of the same coin, really two sides of the same coin. So 929 01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:28,640 let's listen to W. E. Dubois. Robbery with Bush, Booker T 930 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,180 Washington. 931 01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:41,690 One of the first moments where Dubois comes onto the national 932 01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:48,230 stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial 933 01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:52,130 progress and how to move the race for and the leading African 934 01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:55,580 American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early 935 01:05:55,580 --> 01:06:00,770 20th century Booker T. Washington. In the beginning, 936 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,060 they agreed on many points about the importance of education and 937 01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:08,150 moving the race forward. It turns out though, that because 938 01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:12,380 DuBois was northern born and had access to some of the best 939 01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:15,320 schools in New England, and really was encouraged to think 940 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,650 broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being 941 01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:23,450 trained in Berlin working with Max Faber, by contrast to Booker 942 01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:26,990 T. Washington, who was self educated, a very gifted and 943 01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:32,690 talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental 944 01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:36,140 difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time. 945 01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:39,440 The life that Booker T Washington, eventually led as 946 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,390 the leading most recognized figure of African American 947 01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:48,320 society meant that his expectations for what the White 948 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,380 Race was willing to do on behalf of black people were very 949 01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:54,530 different than at the boys, you could say DuBois was a utopian 950 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,580 idealist in some respects, and Booker T. Washington was a 951 01:06:58,580 --> 01:07:02,750 pragmatist, better known as an accommodationist. And so it set 952 01:07:02,750 --> 01:07:06,470 up an ongoing debate. Eventually, Booker T 953 01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:11,570 Washington's program sustained the ethos of Jim Crow America 954 01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:14,270 because it was about black people working but on white 955 01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:17,390 people's terms, it was about a lack of political 956 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,420 enfranchisement because black people were subjected to poll 957 01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:24,260 taxes and literacy tests and the inability to vote. And it was 958 01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:27,590 ultimately about a form of second class citizenship that 959 01:07:27,590 --> 01:07:33,440 was segregated America. In this regard, Dubois did see that real 960 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,890 change, fundamental change, living up to the real promises 961 01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:40,970 of racial democracy in America, dependent upon agitation 962 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,820 dependent upon a graph for power. 963 01:07:45,350 --> 01:07:50,540 Okay, so So what you're hearing here is the two different 964 01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:55,010 ideologies that was bit what's best for black people to 965 01:07:55,490 --> 01:08:03,560 achieve. No success in America. The problem with that is, and 966 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:08,810 there's always a problem. We've already identified W Ed W. E. B. 967 01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:12,590 Dubois came from the same school, as Adam Locke, if I'm 968 01:08:12,590 --> 01:08:18,560 not mistaken, W EB DuBois was the first graduate black 969 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:25,250 graduate from Harvard. So he was there. That's the one side the 970 01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:30,140 liberal thinking and while we said Alan law was funded by was 971 01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:34,400 funded by Rhodes Scholar money and liberal, liberal was 972 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:39,680 thinking, Well, Mr. Booker T. Washington, on the other hand, 973 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:46,010 he was also funded. And let me just give you a list of who 974 01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:55,070 funded Mr. Booker T. Washington. Here we go. Yeah. For one sec 975 01:08:55,070 --> 01:09:02,570 here. Here. Okay. Mr. Booker T. Washington's wealthy friends 976 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,920 Soros No 977 01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:10,640 it's bigger than that. Oh, no. Andrew Carnegie Carnegie. 978 01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:14,180 Wow. I'll pre Soros obviously but wow. Yeah, Carnegie. Sure. 979 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:15,140 Oh, 980 01:09:15,170 --> 01:09:19,640 William H. Taft. Span John D. Rockefeller. 981 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,920 Yeah. The sorrows of their day. 982 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:29,480 So much. So. Ah, I think let's see. Oh, yes, John D. 983 01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:34,610 Rockefeller. So these guys were backing the black schools in the 984 01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:39,440 south so much so John D. Rockefeller, in 1902. His 985 01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:43,970 father, father and son, greener article here, father son instead 986 01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:48,290 of a general education board to sis southern black schools. By 987 01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:51,740 the end of the first first decade, the boy had donated more 988 01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:54,080 than 33 million 989 01:09:54,980 --> 01:09:56,330 naira it is the magic number 990 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,910 towards furthering the goals of blackness. Education. And by 991 01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:07,040 1921, they had donated an additional $96 million for 992 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:07,640 education, 993 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,240 which is probably three, three quarters of a billion dollars 994 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,000 today, I'd have to look at what it is, but it's a lot of money. 995 01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:14,660 That's 996 01:10:14,660 --> 01:10:18,350 a lot of money. The reason why you had newly black people, 997 01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:25,640 newly freed black people. And you had to have some kind of 998 01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:29,360 school of thought to indoctrinate them to is what I 999 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,920 believe, which is the goal of the Illuminati. So you have to 1000 01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:39,680 highly funded people fighting for the souls of average black 1001 01:10:39,710 --> 01:10:40,640 average black people 1002 01:10:40,670 --> 01:10:45,500 and coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum. Yes. 1003 01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:49,190 Which is all if you want to call them elite, Illuminati, 1004 01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:53,000 whatever, the term you want to call, but that's, that's where 1005 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,700 the money was happening. And the ground zero of the battle was 1006 01:10:55,700 --> 01:11:01,370 Harlem. Oh, the reason why I bring this up is just to say 1007 01:11:01,370 --> 01:11:06,680 that it's the same shit today. It's the same crap today, 1008 01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:11,300 except it's no longer Harlem. It's Twitter. The internet is 1009 01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:13,190 the editor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 1010 01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:21,260 it's the internet. And on one side, you have and I don't I 1011 01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:24,560 heard you in John having an interesting conversation on the 1012 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:30,320 show. Maybe two shows ago, a last show how the or elite are 1013 01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:35,540 into weird. I don't know I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm 1014 01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:39,170 getting ahead of myself. I don't stop right there. Oh, okay. So 1015 01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:45,260 now we gotta go back to an old clip. Mr. Charlemagne talks 1016 01:11:45,260 --> 01:11:46,370 about the Illuminati, 1017 01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:48,770 okay, Charlemagne to God. 1018 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,530 And you notice the last thing I'll say, when you look up the 1019 01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:58,880 word Illuminati to all it means is the enlightened ones. That's 1020 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,580 all the definition of Illuminati means it means the enlightened 1021 01:12:01,580 --> 01:12:04,430 people of our society. So these are the people that are 1022 01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:08,300 enlightened What's wrong with being enlightened? You know what 1023 01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:10,970 I'm saying? Like what's wrong with having knowledge having 1024 01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:12,770 wisdom and understanding what's wrong with just being an 1025 01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:15,050 enlightened is the thing in the moment it and that's what it is. 1026 01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:17,300 The enlightened people Yes, I want to be want to be 1027 01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:19,490 enlightened people. That's what I read books for to try to be 1028 01:12:19,610 --> 01:12:23,270 one of the highly enlightened people in my society, like, yes, 1029 01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:25,100 every day, I strive for knowledge, don't want to be a 1030 01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:29,780 better person, like what's wrong with being enlightened like? So. 1031 01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:33,170 So basically, on the record, Charlemagne is saying that he 1032 01:12:33,170 --> 01:12:34,880 wants to be in the Illuminati. 1033 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,240 If there wasn't Illuminati, and it is the enlightened people, 1034 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,540 why wouldn't I be? Why wouldn't I want to be? Why wouldn't? Why 1035 01:12:41,540 --> 01:12:44,600 wouldn't I want to be? Well all acknowledges that? Why wouldn't 1036 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,290 I want to know the world secrets? Why wouldn't? Why 1037 01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:48,560 wouldn't? 1038 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,260 Yes, yeah, that's, 1039 01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:54,080 that's when we played early on episode number two, I think. 1040 01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:58,040 Yes. So to explain to you how people get caught up in the so 1041 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,550 called Illuminati and I don't think Charlemagne will ever make 1042 01:13:01,550 --> 01:13:06,290 it to the actual, I mean, because we know that's a very 1043 01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:11,060 exclusive club, but you became become a talking head for the 1044 01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:14,090 Illuminati. And like, and like you said, Well, I'll play that 1045 01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:18,200 clip. To make just give context to what you said previously, 1046 01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:22,760 about as the same crap going on today. Exactly. Those people 1047 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,240 thought, hey, why, I mean, I'm getting access to knowledge 1048 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,860 here. When you talk about guys like Carnegie right? Yeah, 1049 01:13:30,890 --> 01:13:33,500 you're finding out about the ways of the world especially if 1050 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,350 you've never been back in those days no internet, you're 1051 01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:39,350 learning about how the finances work how the political system 1052 01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:42,530 works. Yeah, it would seem like a book is open right in front of 1053 01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:43,520 your eyes. No kidding. 1054 01:13:44,030 --> 01:13:49,220 Can we agree that there was men were Illuminati? I think I think 1055 01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:54,710 in my mind they are the Carnegie's in the those people 1056 01:13:54,710 --> 01:14:00,260 they put into who the man who built America you have some 1057 01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:02,150 that may have been reptiles as well. 1058 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,060 And that's why I felt a low to no agenda show right there. You 1059 01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:16,010 always get me at the reptile I'm just saying, but but there is 1060 01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:24,860 the Illuminati do get their thought process from one main 1061 01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:28,580 source or their it their religious if you want to call 1062 01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:33,170 that beliefs from one main source, that being Egypt? 1063 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,760 Yes, that's where they get the the pyramids and, you know, a 1064 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,650 lot of symbolism that comes from Egypt, the obelisks, all of it. 1065 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,540 Yes. And one of the main symbols for the Boulais is the Sphinx. 1066 01:14:49,550 --> 01:14:54,650 Egypt again, Egypt again, but let's not believe me about the 1067 01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:02,090 Asia thing. We have a sad Sadhguru he's a Big Time Indian 1068 01:15:02,090 --> 01:15:07,490 philosopher and he speaks on the Illuminati decoded 1069 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:14,900 in Europe. Secret schools were romantic stuff. Even people who 1070 01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:21,050 are now famous like, like so Kratos, or a Aristotle and these 1071 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:26,960 people, they were also part of the secret schools. Why would I 1072 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,360 make my school secret? Because society is in a mode of 1073 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,650 persecution of anything that doesn't it does not agree with 1074 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,300 persecution. Only this persecution of school becomes a 1075 01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:47,750 secret school, isn't it? So. So secret school traditions are so 1076 01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:53,780 much in Europe, because the dogmatic religious beliefs were 1077 01:15:53,780 --> 01:15:57,440 really suppressing anything, anything that they think is 1078 01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:01,940 gathering 10 people, they will demolish it, they will kill 1079 01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:06,650 them. So they ran secret schools in this whatever you are 1080 01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:11,060 referring to as Illuminati, and later on, it transformed itself 1081 01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:16,520 into Freemasons. Some history, I cannot confirm this, some books 1082 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,240 have been written as to how Freemasonry were started by the 1083 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,370 Indian Masons who went to Egypt. 1084 01:16:23,330 --> 01:16:27,140 Yeah, and this is you know, look at the Freemasonry symbolism all 1085 01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:34,970 very similar. Number 33 is a big number in the in Freemasonry a 1086 01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:37,610 lot of triangles Yeah, totally. 1087 01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:45,770 Yeah the geometry even I a horse so all that leads to Egyptian 1088 01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:50,030 beliefs. So even I'm just I'm pretty sure you know this, but 1089 01:16:50,030 --> 01:16:53,150 the listeners may not know this, even the city of Washington DC 1090 01:16:53,180 --> 01:16:57,860 Oh, it's completely Egyptian iced. Yes. And let's listen to 1091 01:16:58,340 --> 01:17:02,300 this was put together by I couldn't catch your name. But 1092 01:17:02,660 --> 01:17:05,750 all the facts that she stayed I have already validated but I 1093 01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:08,930 couldn't find this clip anywhere other than this source that 1094 01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:12,590 explains the Egyptian links to DC. 1095 01:17:13,190 --> 01:17:18,440 The Washington Monument. This breathtaking tower stands 555 1096 01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:22,940 feet high on the National Mall and attracts over 800,000 1097 01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:28,850 tourists each year. It's structured as an obelisk, also 1098 01:17:28,850 --> 01:17:32,210 known as tickets a prominent architecture of the ancient 1099 01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,810 Egyptians. These are blessings were placed in pairs at the 1100 01:17:35,810 --> 01:17:41,900 entrances of Egyptian temples. The Blessed symbolizes the sun 1101 01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:45,500 god raw, one of the most prominent and highly worship 1102 01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:49,190 Egyptian gods. Pharaohs had these monuments built for them 1103 01:17:49,190 --> 01:17:53,600 so that they would always be remembered. In the same manner. 1104 01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:57,350 This monument was built in dedication to America's first 1105 01:17:57,350 --> 01:18:01,970 president, George Washington, George Washington was a 1106 01:18:01,970 --> 01:18:05,960 Freemason, part of an international group supposedly 1107 01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:10,160 established for mutual help and fellowship, often holding 1108 01:18:10,190 --> 01:18:15,320 elaborate and secret ceremonies. Masonic historians have linked 1109 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,370 Freemasonry to the values of ancient Egypt and the Masonic 1110 01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:25,040 symbols in DC clearly show Egyptian influence. The Scottish 1111 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,420 Rite Temple is desease main sign of Freemasonry and even more so, 1112 01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:34,130 Egyptian influence. The entrance is guarded by two sphinx on each 1113 01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:38,660 side, statues of a Sphinx, a mythical creature were often 1114 01:18:38,660 --> 01:18:42,800 built to guard important areas such as tombs and temples in 1115 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:43,550 Egypt. 1116 01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:48,620 Yes, yeah, there's a lot more than I mean, there's entire 1117 01:18:48,620 --> 01:18:51,740 books and movies have been written and shot about this, you 1118 01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:54,650 know, there's the Masonic the just the way the streets are 1119 01:18:54,650 --> 01:18:56,780 laid out. There's a lot of that in DC. 1120 01:18:58,070 --> 01:19:02,660 Yes, and as she said, The Sphinx were made to guard things. And 1121 01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:08,120 this is the thought is that the Boulais is to meet the guardians 1122 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:13,340 of the kings. So basically, they're the protecting class of 1123 01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:18,290 their white rulers, against your stand against black people. 1124 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:25,070 Well, they stand they stand as a as a hedge between them. So that 1125 01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:28,490 I mean, that's, you know, that I'm, like I said the word blue, 1126 01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:31,190 they actually means advisors to the king. And that's why they 1127 01:19:31,190 --> 01:19:36,260 chose this the symbolism of the Sphinx, right? Um, I did gloss 1128 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:40,250 over one tidbit fact, just to go back and give you something 1129 01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:43,520 about the so we know WEB DuBois and I know I'm getting kind of 1130 01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:48,260 out of order here, but I had to share this fact. So we know web 1131 01:19:48,260 --> 01:19:56,090 Boyce was a member of the NAACP, and NAACP was really started and 1132 01:19:56,090 --> 01:20:00,140 ran by white people. We established that on a pre Be a 1133 01:20:00,140 --> 01:20:06,020 show. Yeah. So one of those white founders was Joe a spin 1134 01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:11,870 guard. Have you ever heard of him? I have not. Okay. Mr. Joe 1135 01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:15,380 II spin guard was the first chairman of the board of 1136 01:20:15,380 --> 01:20:20,030 directors of the NAACP and held that position for many years. 1137 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:24,590 The Covenant Spingarn Medal is given yearly by the NAACP and 1138 01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:30,920 was established in 1914. That sounds all good right? Only one 1139 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,270 problem. Mr. spearing bar was a spy for the United States, army 1140 01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:43,400 groups and ope. Yes, you had the head of this NAACP ran by known 1141 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:48,110 spy. He was hired in May of 1980. And given the rank of 1142 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:52,880 Major in the Military Intelligence Division, Spingarn 1143 01:20:52,910 --> 01:20:57,110 ran a small unit undercover agents who were looking for 1144 01:20:57,110 --> 01:21:03,740 proof of service subversion. He opened over 100,000 pieces of 1145 01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:10,370 mail a week monitoring black publications. Wow. So that just 1146 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:13,580 gives you an idea who's all really over these two groups 1147 01:21:13,580 --> 01:21:18,650 that we think are for us. And nobody really wants to deviate 1148 01:21:18,650 --> 01:21:24,140 from that. But just going back to so that goes to show you that 1149 01:21:24,410 --> 01:21:27,860 all the groups established for Well, not all let's not say all 1150 01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:33,890 anything. Naughty 5% of Black groups 1151 01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:36,410 have been established by white people. 1152 01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:40,430 Yes. And not white people with good intentions either. 1153 01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:40,850 No, 1154 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:43,970 it was it was control mechanism, which is not any different from 1155 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,540 any other group we've pointed out for every other group, but 1156 01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:51,740 I'm dismissed with specific specifically speaking what 1157 01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:57,020 affects the group I'm part of. So we've established that the 1158 01:21:57,020 --> 01:22:02,930 Illuminati their anti Egyptology would they build a whole city 1159 01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:09,710 than Washington DC based off of Egyptian premise premises. Less 1160 01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:12,170 listen to the Egyptian DC part two, 1161 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:16,250 on 16th Street where the Scottish Rite temple is located. 1162 01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:19,460 There are more temples and churches than any other streets 1163 01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:23,900 on Earth. Ancient Egypt was one of the most spiritual places in 1164 01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:27,830 the world. The designers of DC were trying to duplicate the 1165 01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:32,780 energy found in Egypt. walk a few blocks down and there is 1166 01:22:32,780 --> 01:22:36,740 Meridian Hill Park, and the Egyptian influences are very 1167 01:22:36,740 --> 01:22:41,240 clear. Within the park, there is a large cascading waterfall, the 1168 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,720 number 13 The number of steps that line the waterfall 1169 01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:47,990 represents a spiritual awakening. Looking at the 1170 01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:52,340 waterfall from above, you can see the ONC shape is created. It 1171 01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:56,180 is a symbol for life and can be seen and Egyptian art and 1172 01:22:56,180 --> 01:23:02,300 architecture. The Potomac River acts as the Nile River, west of 1173 01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:05,300 the Potomac River is the Arlington Cemetery, where 1174 01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:08,450 dignitaries, officials and presidents have been buried. 1175 01:23:08,690 --> 01:23:12,350 Likewise, the west bank of the Nile River is the Valley of the 1176 01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:17,090 Kings. Note that none of this is a coincidence, from the 1177 01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:20,810 architecture in the statues to the exact layout of Washington, 1178 01:23:20,810 --> 01:23:25,370 DC. Everything was built off of the influence of anxious Egypt, 1179 01:23:25,730 --> 01:23:29,360 planned out to replicate the amount of power and energy that 1180 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,000 the Egyptians built an empire out of 1181 01:23:32,690 --> 01:23:35,750 love how you've just taken me into a Dan Brown novel. This is 1182 01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:37,880 great. I love it. That's good. 1183 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:45,170 So back to the conversation you and John were having. And you 1184 01:23:45,230 --> 01:23:51,020 You guys made mention that the elite are some of the lead are 1185 01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:55,010 into weird sexual practices. Is that Yeah, 1186 01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:58,760 well, I think that was more based off of our own experience 1187 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:04,010 having certainly when I was extremely famous, you get 1188 01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:07,970 invited to a party. And this case, it was old world, it was 1189 01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:12,230 in Europe. And you know, like in a huge mansion. I was very 1190 01:24:12,230 --> 01:24:18,200 young, I was maybe 2021. And, you know, with some incredibly 1191 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:22,280 rich people, and they just behave odd. And then all sudden, 1192 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:26,360 there's the Prime Minister riding a 10 speed bike through 1193 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,960 the living room. I mean, so I don't know about sexual 1194 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,960 behavior, but it seemed like that would be pretty poss. I 1195 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,140 haven't seen anything with my own eyes. But look at the 1196 01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:39,530 Podesta's look at the spirit cooking. There's all kinds of 1197 01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:42,890 weirdness going on. And I think mainly through boredom, but 1198 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:48,620 others would say, to gain power from mystical things that we no 1199 01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:49,850 longer understand. 1200 01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:52,970 That's where I lean towards. No, I'm 1201 01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:53,900 sure I'm sure. 1202 01:24:54,230 --> 01:24:58,250 So if you can queue it up, queue up the theorem. 1203 01:24:59,090 --> 01:25:00,140 Do you need it did Ain't 1204 01:25:01,370 --> 01:25:08,180 gotta hit, please. All right. So 1205 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,980 normally, normally only reserved for Marion Williams, but you may 1206 01:25:15,980 --> 01:25:17,270 use the Theramin. Yes. 1207 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:21,740 A Thank you. I am other believe, as many other conspiracy 1208 01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:26,960 theorist that the elite, as you mentioned, you brought it up. I 1209 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,950 didn't I didn't lead the witness that they use it to harness some 1210 01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:35,240 kind of sexual or spiritual power. 1211 01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:40,070 I have researched this. I have been through this many times. 1212 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,090 Early, early on no agenda show we talk about it. This is where 1213 01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:48,410 reptiles comes from. And there's a lot of evidence that this this 1214 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:52,820 was true is true is still happening. And I think where 1215 01:25:52,820 --> 01:25:56,990 you're going is kind of sad. Because yes, I'm pretty sure 1216 01:25:56,990 --> 01:26:02,120 that young, very young homeless children are abused by elites 1217 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,420 for all kinds of crap, maybe just to eat them or drink their 1218 01:26:05,420 --> 01:26:09,350 blood. I don't know. But there's enough stories about it to make 1219 01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:12,410 it certainly believable. And, 1220 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:17,960 and one point we have to point out, Jeffrey Epstein had some 1221 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,160 kind of weird Egyptian monument on his island. 1222 01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:27,050 Yes, absolutely. Some kind of Temple. Lots of speculation 1223 01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:32,990 about what it is. Many say, entrance to a tunnel system 1224 01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:38,720 caves, there's evidence of air inlets that would justify that 1225 01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:43,220 speculation. Definitely weird. Well, I'm weird or not. It's a 1226 01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:46,100 Gyptian styled architecture. Yes. 1227 01:26:46,130 --> 01:26:49,940 So to come back out of theorem land. I'm going to use a 1228 01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:56,870 reputable, reputable source to support the allegation I have of 1229 01:26:56,870 --> 01:27:00,380 the LGBT connection to ancient Egypt. 1230 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,780 Hello, I'm John Johnston. I'm doing my PhD at the Institute of 1231 01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:09,920 Archaeology. I'm here today in the pitch Museum of Egyptian 1232 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,120 archaeology at University College London, to talk a little 1233 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,830 about LGBT History Month. This is the third occasion now that 1234 01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:23,630 the museum has celebrated LGBT History Month. On the first two 1235 01:27:23,630 --> 01:27:28,220 occasions, we held some special lectures and on this occasion, 1236 01:27:28,460 --> 01:27:31,790 we've devised a trail of various objects dotted around the 1237 01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:35,540 museum, which helped to illustrate various aspects of 1238 01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:40,250 LGBT history in the ancient world. One of the objects which 1239 01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:44,090 has been put on display specifically for this month is 1240 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,980 the is the tale of Horus and Set which is told on a papyrus 1241 01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:53,300 discovered by Patriot le Hoon, it dates from the 12th dynasty 1242 01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,160 and tells the tale of Horus and Set wrangling over control of 1243 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:04,640 Egypt following the death of the goddess Cyrus. After many years 1244 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:11,210 of this wrangling set decides to change his his tack and attempts 1245 01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:15,710 to bed to the god Horus flattering him telling him that 1246 01:28:15,710 --> 01:28:20,780 he has beautiful buttocks and muscular thighs. It's 1247 01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:24,950 particularly fascinating that this oldest recorded chat up 1248 01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:28,340 line in history actually appears to be a gay chat up line. 1249 01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:30,980 Nice ass Thanks, dude. 1250 01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:43,760 So I say all these to say Wow, the elite don't accept people's 1251 01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:55,280 lifestyles. They accept the fact that their obscure beliefs align 1252 01:28:55,670 --> 01:28:59,960 with that person's lifestyle. That's that's the end all be all 1253 01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:02,510 of where I went with this story. 1254 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,730 Wow, that you know what I'm thinking. Moe, tyu and I are 1255 01:29:06,797 --> 01:29:10,769 missing out on something. Was that maybe we're not doing it 1256 01:29:10,836 --> 01:29:15,011 right. I don't know a bunch of married guys with kids. This is 1257 01:29:15,078 --> 01:29:18,848 not this seems like we're missing out on all the all the 1258 01:29:18,915 --> 01:29:23,090 fun stuff all the power every the true mysteries of the world. 1259 01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:27,020 Well, I'm glad you brought that up. Which brings us to our last 1260 01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:33,830 set of clips. Because with that power, with that access, comes a 1261 01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:40,370 dark side. And so this is Dave Chappelle after he when he 1262 01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:44,990 turned down his $50 million deal. And he went on the run. 1263 01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:50,150 Cuz they said he was losing his mind. Dave Chappelle Oprah 1264 01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,270 I'm glad you're here. Everybody wants to know why did you walk 1265 01:29:59,270 --> 01:30:01,670 away come from $50 million. 1266 01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:09,530 Well, I wasn't walking away from the money. Yeah. I was walk away 1267 01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:14,630 from the circumstances. Uh huh. They, they will come in with the 1268 01:30:14,630 --> 01:30:19,220 newfound plateau. Yeah, it takes a while when you punch through 1269 01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:24,020 to adjust the atmosphere. It was completely outside of my frame 1270 01:30:24,020 --> 01:30:28,310 of reference. I've been in show business since I was 14. And 1271 01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:32,660 I've heard the stories of what happens and I've seen these 1272 01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:34,040 kinds of things play out in front of 1273 01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,740 me. When I say when you say you heard the stories, what do you 1274 01:30:36,740 --> 01:30:37,700 mean? What stories? 1275 01:30:38,060 --> 01:30:40,940 Would you say before looking around? Karen made $100 million 1276 01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:45,590 deal. And three months later, she's Olson mysteriously crazy. 1277 01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:49,070 Oh, my Lawrence pushes through. And he's waving a gun on street 1278 01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:49,580 screaming. 1279 01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:53,840 They're trying to kill me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we 1280 01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:55,070 hear those stories. 1281 01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:57,500 And it always happens around a time in your career where it 1282 01:30:57,650 --> 01:31:00,020 seems as though the crossing over next plateau. 1283 01:31:00,050 --> 01:31:06,230 Yeah. Yeah, this is well known stories, I would say these days. 1284 01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:13,700 They're still gossip that Rihanna may be the clean lesbian 1285 01:31:13,700 --> 01:31:17,630 that everyone has to bow down to. And maybe Beyonce has some 1286 01:31:17,630 --> 01:31:20,870 of that role. And there's a lot of talk always been a lot of 1287 01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:21,890 talk about this. 1288 01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:27,200 Yeah, the point I'm trying to make is when you take that next 1289 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,610 step, when you're, you know, tiptoeing into that next what he 1290 01:31:31,610 --> 01:31:35,480 said the next plateau, right, which is an interesting term to 1291 01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:40,010 use. There's a cost to it. And we've seen that throughout 1292 01:31:40,010 --> 01:31:44,960 history. We see that throughout this this whole episode, if you 1293 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:49,370 want to call it that, that when these people get to a certain 1294 01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:53,360 level, it cost them certain things. Where there is the lady 1295 01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,720 at the beginning, she couldn't really talk about Jasmine, she 1296 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,480 couldn't really talk about how she really felt because she was 1297 01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:02,930 taught back about by her alliances, even down to Dave 1298 01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:06,920 Chappelle. And we got a couple more clips and we're gonna wrap 1299 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,080 it up here. So David Chappelle, too, 1300 01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:11,300 would you say you lost your mind? Sort of? 1301 01:32:13,730 --> 01:32:19,070 No, no, not exactly. Okay. I wasn't crazy, but it's an 1302 01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:24,470 incredibly stressful. Yeah. And I felt like, you know, in a lot 1303 01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:27,740 of instances, I was deliberately being put through stress. 1304 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:32,330 Because, you know, when you have data generates money, yeah. 1305 01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:35,810 People have a vested interest in controlling. Yeah, if 1306 01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:38,750 you've ever seen Martin Lawrence on Inside the Actor's Studio 1307 01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:42,200 tell his story. It's even more vivid. It's really even more 1308 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,730 vivid than, than this. 1309 01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:49,370 Yeah. And that's okay, too, inside baseball. I always gotta 1310 01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:54,560 give you a little bit every time. It's a common thing, that 1311 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:59,840 when black men make it in Hollywood, a majority of them 1312 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:00,740 had to bend over. 1313 01:33:00,950 --> 01:33:05,960 Yes. This has been said about Eddie Murphy about Arsenio Hall. 1314 01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:08,900 I know those for sure. Because I've heard people say it. 1315 01:33:09,980 --> 01:33:15,920 Even Quincy Jones came out and kind of substantiate it. Oh, ah, 1316 01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:20,150 a lot of this. I mean, he was he was like, Yeah, this guy was 1317 01:33:20,150 --> 01:33:23,210 with that guy. And you know, he was this guy was what brought 1318 01:33:23,210 --> 01:33:25,850 Marlon Brando and he was throwing names out there. I've 1319 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:26,360 heard about 1320 01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,610 Diddy if you hear this all the time. 1321 01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:33,200 Right. So that's a common thing. And in this third and final 1322 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:38,600 clip, Dave Chappelle is going to illustrate how they come at you 1323 01:33:38,630 --> 01:33:39,530 in Hollywood. 1324 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,740 The hardest thing to do is to be treated and stuff, especially 1325 01:33:42,740 --> 01:33:47,750 when everybody's watching. Yes, yes. Show business has to do 1326 01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:51,350 with compromise. And wearing the mask. You know, when they say, 1327 01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:54,590 black folks, we wear that mask. You've worked in that boardroom, 1328 01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:56,390 it's not that you that you don't walk in the booth and like 1329 01:33:56,390 --> 01:34:00,890 what's poppin David? Yeah, you got to put that mask on. And you 1330 01:34:00,890 --> 01:34:02,990 know, it was like we're bilingual. We speak job 1331 01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:05,870 interview and we speak, we speak around each other, you know, 1332 01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:06,200 saying, 1333 01:34:06,650 --> 01:34:07,970 Did you feel like a sellout? 1334 01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:12,680 I felt like they got me in touch with my inner cone thing stirred 1335 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:18,350 them up. When we were doing that sketching at Galle, I felt like 1336 01:34:18,350 --> 01:34:25,760 man, I felt like they got they got me. I mean, I'm a conspiracy 1337 01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:30,620 theorist to a degree. Like when I connect that's that maybe 1338 01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:33,380 shouldn't be connected. I don't know. But certainly that's like 1339 01:34:33,380 --> 01:34:37,160 when I see that they put every black man and movies in a dress 1340 01:34:37,250 --> 01:34:39,620 at some point in Korea and connecting them they're like, 1341 01:34:39,620 --> 01:34:43,880 Wow, he's brought a dress. This happened to me. I'm gonna move 1342 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:48,080 with Martin. Yeah, movies going good. So I walk in a trailer. 1343 01:34:48,530 --> 01:34:51,320 I'm like, man, what's going wrong trailer because there's a 1344 01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:59,030 dress in here. They come in. The writer comes in. I think he's 1345 01:34:59,030 --> 01:35:02,540 right. He's like they Listen, you got this hilarious thing 1346 01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:06,860 where Martin sneaking out of jail. So he disguises you as a 1347 01:35:06,860 --> 01:35:13,820 prostitute. You put this dress on, and how prostitute? Now I'm 1348 01:35:13,820 --> 01:35:17,210 not doing it. I don't feel comfortable with it. That should 1349 01:35:17,210 --> 01:35:20,330 have been in a discussion. You don't feel comfortable with it. 1350 01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:24,140 I mean, it's hilarious bit. All the greats have done it. So well 1351 01:35:24,140 --> 01:35:26,090 of all the greats Ben and it's kind of hacky, right. You're 1352 01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:28,730 right. So why don't we just not do it? Because I don't feel 1353 01:35:28,730 --> 01:35:31,700 comfortable in a dress. I'll come on date. Let's we got it 1354 01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:34,700 all set up. We were supposed to shoot every every minute you 1355 01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:38,330 waste cost this much money. Now the pressure comes in. I'm not 1356 01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:40,670 I'm not wearing a dress man. I'm funnier than a dress this give 1357 01:35:40,670 --> 01:35:43,520 me some funny to say. I only wear no dress to be funny. And 1358 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,100 what am I Milton bear on Ba ba ba ba ba you never go like this. 1359 01:35:46,460 --> 01:35:48,980 And then finally it's like ah and he leaves and then like the 1360 01:35:48,980 --> 01:35:52,220 director comes David really would be great if you wear the 1361 01:35:52,220 --> 01:36:05,900 dress. Brokeback Mountain in his dress. Well, we're the dress one 1362 01:36:05,900 --> 01:36:06,980 way this dress. 1363 01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:22,670 So hopefully illustrated to a point why black people, 1364 01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:33,620 especially black, heterosexual men, are apprehensive. To the 1365 01:36:33,620 --> 01:36:37,130 edges, what we view as agenda, some of us majority of us view 1366 01:36:37,130 --> 01:36:38,630 as an agenda being pushed 1367 01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:45,440 not by the people, no sales, but from our high. Hope I did that 1368 01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:50,390 with this with this with this episode. Well, yes. 1369 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,860 We've revisited a lot of things that I haven't looked at in 1370 01:36:54,890 --> 01:37:00,020 years and years and years. I never made the connection 1371 01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:06,950 between Well, it's show business, yes, LGBT, yes. But 1372 01:37:07,010 --> 01:37:10,580 wrap that all up into one the influence is coming from above 1373 01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:13,790 how sexuality plays into that is something I've never even 1374 01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:16,250 considered. So that was very interesting 1375 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:24,620 dive. And that's how we view it. And when you factor in survival 1376 01:37:24,620 --> 01:37:31,700 sex. It not only has to do with things of the reason why I 1377 01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:35,750 brought it out, and it may seem like a weird inclusion into 1378 01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:43,130 this. But even on a Hollywood level, those guys are looking at 1379 01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:48,920 it as survival. You know, saying like, I have to survive with my 1380 01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:54,650 career, so I'll put the dress on. Yeah. You know, um, so it's 1381 01:37:54,650 --> 01:37:59,480 the same thing. So we have all the things connected. And we and 1382 01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:02,120 we see these things like Dave said, we connect the dots. 1383 01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:06,800 Also, to make people do things they're incredibly uncomfortable 1384 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:12,500 with is an outstanding control mechanism. A works in in all 1385 01:38:12,500 --> 01:38:16,850 cases, certainly when it comes to things around self identity. 1386 01:38:17,210 --> 01:38:20,600 You know, this is this isn't how many torture programs work. It's 1387 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,350 the whole idea is to get control of somebody. And then if you 1388 01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:27,080 want to take it towards the Epstein route, maybe you take a 1389 01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:30,320 few pictures, let them know, you know, that kind of changes the 1390 01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:35,210 whole game now, by the way, that is what the black FBI Director 1391 01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,450 J. Edgar Hoover was known for. 1392 01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:51,470 So how deep does it all still go, man? Wow. My head is going 1393 01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:58,700 up. Yes. Okay. How do you want to let this because I can talk 1394 01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:01,370 with you about this for another eight hours easily. 1395 01:39:04,190 --> 01:39:08,390 It's mind control. I know that's like the end of the day now. But 1396 01:39:08,690 --> 01:39:15,290 people what we do here, what you guys do on no agenda is 1397 01:39:16,670 --> 01:39:21,320 combating the mind control, pointing out the agendas. But at 1398 01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:27,140 the same time, I will say this, you have to be cautious of how 1399 01:39:27,140 --> 01:39:31,790 you address people just because they're participating in an 1400 01:39:31,790 --> 01:39:36,410 agenda. God THEY DON'T might not even know. Right. You guys 1401 01:39:36,410 --> 01:39:39,890 brought up and I know you want to wrap here but just one last 1402 01:39:39,890 --> 01:39:43,640 thing that you brought up on st like two shows ago last show. 1403 01:39:44,900 --> 01:39:49,760 Are we seeing a widespread MK Ultra program being enacted on 1404 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:54,650 people? And l I think that's where you're leading with the 1405 01:39:54,650 --> 01:39:58,430 trauma trauma thing, but we brought it up here the trauma 1406 01:39:58,430 --> 01:40:00,350 base and entertainment department I'm about 1407 01:40:00,350 --> 01:40:02,510 advertising. You know, 1408 01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:08,480 every everything I'm seeing on the news today is trauma based 1409 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,360 mind control. That is what look at 1410 01:40:12,860 --> 01:40:14,060 Greta Thune Berry, 1411 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:21,950 who who looks mind controlled, is being regardless no 16 year 1412 01:40:21,950 --> 01:40:25,430 old child should be put in this situation under the world 1413 01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:30,710 spotlight continuously. I mean, without any parents supervision, 1414 01:40:30,740 --> 01:40:36,170 it is very disturbing to me, I see the children's March. And I 1415 01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:38,510 think that's where, where we were talking about it, the 1416 01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:42,170 Climate March, the climate strike, there was no strike, the 1417 01:40:42,170 --> 01:40:47,810 children were given permission and escorted for this issue in 1418 01:40:47,810 --> 01:40:50,390 this don't try to do any other issues don't strike school for 1419 01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:53,300 that wasn't a strike, everyone got the day off. And they just 1420 01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:57,020 give him signs and chance. And you know that a good percentage 1421 01:40:57,020 --> 01:41:01,670 of these children, maybe 30, maybe 40% are on some form of 1422 01:41:01,670 --> 01:41:05,090 medication. But that is the definition of what mind control 1423 01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:08,930 programs have been in the past. MK Ultra being. And I know it's 1424 01:41:08,930 --> 01:41:12,530 a conspiracy theory, but go ahead. It's real. And it was 1425 01:41:12,530 --> 01:41:16,700 real. And apparently, it's just now on a bigger scale, and it 1426 01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:19,550 gets things done. It gets things done. 1427 01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:24,740 So if I could do that with Greta, in this day and time, why 1428 01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:28,460 couldn't they do it with the people I listed here? Give me 1429 01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:29,600 the same effect. 1430 01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:37,160 The question is, how does Dave Chappelle still exist? How could 1431 01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,410 he come back? Is he a resisting? 1432 01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,920 is worse two ways you could look at it, why He's resisting a one. 1433 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:50,720 He's all in. All in. And he's used to control opposition 1434 01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:52,190 aspect of it. 1435 01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:57,110 Well, Moe, I can only speak for myself. And I know you pretty 1436 01:41:57,110 --> 01:42:00,800 well, by now, to a degree, I'm pretty sure pretty sure neither 1437 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,860 of us are controlled, which is why we're podcasters. This is 1438 01:42:03,860 --> 01:42:06,800 why we're not in Comedy Central. This is why we're not on network 1439 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:13,550 television. Yes, yes. That's it. Wow. Okay. I don't even know 1440 01:42:14,180 --> 01:42:16,670 what we're going to do on the next episode. Because this is 1441 01:42:16,670 --> 01:42:21,260 this has been great. This has been a lot of historical pieces 1442 01:42:21,260 --> 01:42:24,500 have been filled in from the I know, growing up in Europe, I 1443 01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:29,180 didn't have a true American education, more much more 1444 01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:34,160 European. So I know very little about black history. I think 1445 01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,290 there's a month when I'm supposed to look at it. But 1446 01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:38,870 that's a joke. No, no. 1447 01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:44,870 But this has been phenomenal. To learn this and to see how many 1448 01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:48,440 parallels there are and how many things you just don't know about 1449 01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:51,470 where this control is coming from. And it looks like indeed, 1450 01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:53,630 and maybe this will bring it all the way around to the beginning. 1451 01:42:53,930 --> 01:42:56,660 And the more things change, the more they stay the same. 1452 01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:01,760 I can't say any better myself. We would like 1453 01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,239 you to consider the amount of value you got from listening to 1454 01:43:05,296 --> 01:43:08,889 this, this episode of Moe Factz if you had about an hour and 40 1455 01:43:08,946 --> 01:43:12,369 minutes and like hey, you know that's I sometimes I spend my 1456 01:43:12,426 --> 01:43:15,848 time otherwise and I really stuck with it what kind of value 1457 01:43:15,905 --> 01:43:19,270 do you want to place on that we'd love for you to donate to 1458 01:43:19,327 --> 01:43:22,236 the show under the value for value system and go to 1459 01:43:22,293 --> 01:43:25,545 MoeFactz.com and Moe I can only thank you so much for for 1460 01:43:25,602 --> 01:43:28,340 putting this together. This was a great episode. 1461 01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:31,250 Glad you appreciated it and um 1462 01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:33,170 yeah 1463 01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:38,510 pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself 1464 01:43:38,600 --> 01:44:21,578 as he always says That's right. And we'll be back within a week 1465 01:43:57,390 --> 01:44:14,010 I'm just getting back to new i would. war is hell. when will it 1466 01:44:14,273 --> 01:44:28,255 be when will people start getting together? Is new my 1467 01:44:22,260 --> 01:45:00,464 or so as we like to do remember check out all the latest 1468 01:44:28,519 --> 01:44:43,029 friends this one came find no work and find your job my 1469 01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:58,858 friend. Monday is a man that just don't understand what was 1470 01:44:59,121 --> 01:45:13,895 happening in Brazil. What's happening? 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