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Sailors are sissies. Adam Curry. It's Thursday, August 20th, 2026.

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This is your award-winning Kimo Nation Media Assassination, episode 1896.

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This is No Agenda. No. And hello in the morning

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to you, Gitmo Nation. This is No Agenda, episode 1896.

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And it's been a bit stormy around here. Trolls in

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the troll room in the morning to you. Man, John's

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passing that just so much changed. It's been exactly a

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month and a day. And, wow, so much to do,

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so much going on. I really, really appreciate what Darren

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and Larry did for the past six shows. Thank you

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guys so much for steering the ship. I've been just

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trying to figure out what to do. And... I honestly

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prayed a lot about it, and I'm currently keeping my

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eyes on Jesus just to move forward. And I figured

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out the best way to do anything with this show

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is... To reach out to Gitmo Nation. And Gitmo Nation

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responded, and today, as a special guest on the show,

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in the morning to Sir Ducifer, Knight of the No

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Agenda Roundtable, Rob Dew. In the morning, everyone. Um... It's

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great to be here. I got the text last night

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as I was getting out of the car, and I

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already have a crazy day, so why not add more

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to that day? Man, I appreciate you jumping on it.

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That's so awesome. Now, for people who don't know Sir

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Ducifer, if you've never been to any of the Austin

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area or the Hill Country meetups, you've been a knight

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for, gosh, I've been a knight for a long time.

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I don't know how long you've been a night. Uh,

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let's see. It was the episode where you, I think

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it was a six hour show and you guys gave

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the, uh, a half off deal for nights. Oh, wait,

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you're, you're, you're one of those discount nights. I'm a

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discount night, but I have, I have given more since

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then. But yes, I was a discount night and that

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was a long, that was a, one of your first,

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I think, A good four and a half, five hour

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show that you guys were reading notes from people. And,

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you know, I think that was the first of many

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shows like that. I believe that was either the 10

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year anniversary or the 1000th episode. I can't remember. One

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of those two. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, when

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I think about it, I remember putting together my PayPal

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link and everything, and I was sitting in an airport.

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We were on a trip with – at the time,

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working for Infowars. And I'm putting this together and I'm

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writing my note. And I'm like, oh, this note's got

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to be good because I'm going to be a knight.

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And I put it all together and sent it off

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with literally like 15 minutes to spare before midnight. And

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it's been – I've also been a frequent visitor to

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North Idaho. I've done two North Idaho Sanity Brigades. Oh,

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with Scott the Jew. Because they happen to be... Exactly.

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They happen to be, Sir Scott the Jew, they happen

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to be up where I go snowboarding in the wintertime.

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So I'm always like, hey, I'm coming up. Can you

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do a meetup? Oh, nice. Oh, that's excellent. Oh, you

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know, a lot of people have said I should probably

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have... Sir Scott the Jew on the show. I guess

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that North Idaho show is doing okay. People are talking

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about it a lot. Yeah, I've even tuned into it

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a couple of times, mainly just, you know, I kind

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of like Idaho. It's a pretty cool state, although they

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are getting the influx of California people out from California.

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Going into Boise, but the rest of the state is

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really chill down to earth people. Yeah. Yeah. I should

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probably warn everybody that every single clip, everything you hear

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today, every news report, everything, and I mean everything. is

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directly related to the midterm elections. There is nothing that

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isn't being abused, isn't being taken apart, isn't being highlighted

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for the midterms. Everybody's got their, and of course the

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M5M is doing their best. I do have one question

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for you before we get into some clips. So we

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have an 11-year-old refrigerator, like a KitchenAid. And so the

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ice maker stopped working. Okay. And, you know, I did

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my own, my little get the Gemini AI app out.

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Say, okay, help me debug this. You know, and three

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hours later, I've taken half the thing apart. And then,

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I don't know, you should probably call the repairman. So

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I call the, I set it up with, I think

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it's Sears. And the guy comes out and he says,

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well, you know, there's something you need a new door

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or whatever. But he said, but, you know, you could

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get a new one, but you really should go for

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the door. So why? I said, because ever since right

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after covid, all the refrigerators have changed to a new

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refrigeration system. And if you have and this is what

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the Sears guy is telling me, he says you should

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look it up. It's an upgrade. Well, no, the upgrade

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is they blow up. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's quite a

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feature. He says, go look at it on YouTube. And

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it's true. There's people with the doors blown off. There's,

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you know, the half of the kitchen has exploded. I'm

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like, what is this all? He said, no, man, if

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you're going to get a new one, get an old

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new one. So you hadn't heard about this? No. I

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had not. And when I moved, what's interesting, when I

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moved into my first house in Austin, we bought one

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in 99. And the people that were moving out were

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like, we're going to leave you the refrigerator. And they

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were like talking up this refrigerator. It looked just like,

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you know, just a rectangle. It was a basic refrigerator.

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No ice maker, no water, no nothing. But he said...

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and he said, this refrigerator is so well insulated. He's

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like, never replace it. Just keep fixing it. And we

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left it. With the people that bought our house when

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we sold it years later. Apparently that's a good one.

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Yeah, that's the way to go. I just learned this.

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I'm looking it up on YouTube. Sure enough, there's some

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lady, you know, oh, look at my fridge. The whole

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kitchen's been blown up. So any refrigerated people out there

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in Gitmo Nation, I'd love to know what is going

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on. We got to now. I love my refrigerator just

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bleeds water from time to time. It'll just bleed it

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out from underneath. Like it's just like it's dying. It's

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like, and you're like, oh, we should have towels underneath

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it. And then finally my wife's like, we need a

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new fridge. But we I'm trying to think when we

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bought ours, I think it was we didn't move till

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after 2021. So to the new house out in out

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in Driftwood. So you're out in Driftwood. We might be

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we might be due for an explosion. You're out in

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Driftwood with what, like 18 children you got out there.

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I mean, you got a whole compound, a whole family.

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Yeah, I got I got four four kids and each

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one of them, you know, two of them drive now,

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which is great. Yeah. I guess if, you know, you

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like paying for car insurance. Exactly. And that's one of

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the, that is one of the things we make them

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do. We like, you guys have to pay for your

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own car insurance and, you know, get a job. If

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you want to drive and you want a car, you

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know, you got to pay for your own car insurance

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and, you know, we'll cover, you know, everything else. And,

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uh. But two are older and then two are younger,

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and the two younger ones, they're closer in age, and

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we call them the grunions. They are a boy and

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a girl. I have a younger girl. I've met some

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of them. So I got three boys and a girl,

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but yeah. Excellent. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Every

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– adventure that you could have, you know, I've had

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with those kids. Tell me about it. It's been a

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lot of fun. Tell me. It never ends with a

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kid. So the first thing that's just, and I think

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Darren and Larry talked about this, if not on the

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previous show, maybe even the show before that, but I

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got some boots on the ground to talk about it.

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This is the unbelievable stinking Lincoln story. Welcome back. Just

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about the bottom of the hour. So we've got some

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new reporting. first here on MSNOW about the brutally demanding

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conditions that service members are facing overseas as we wait

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for some resolution to the war with Iran. MSNOW spoke

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with a dozen family members of sailors and marines aboard

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the USS Abraham Lincoln who say they're extremely concerned about

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the morale, safety and conditions on that ship. The 5,000-person

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crew has been at sea for nine straight months and

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engaged in combat operations since the beginning of the war

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against Iran all the way back in February. Many family

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members described their kids or spouses, telling them about non-operational

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toilets, moldy showers, laundry facilities that were broken for weeks.

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and extended periods with no hot water for showering. The

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families say their loved ones have described food shortages and

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standing in line at the ship's store for an hour

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or more, even while it often lacks basic supplies like

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toothpaste, soap, and deodorant. Oh, no. So when I heard

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this, first of all, I remember going to Iraq in

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2003 with the Dutch Marines. And I'll tell you, I

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remember the hygiene situation was not great. And it was

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a U.S. base. You know, the... One toilet was working.

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There was one other one. If you had, you know,

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diarrhea, you go out of that toilet. And there are

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these bags that you take showers in. 50, 60% of

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them didn't have hot water. The rest were all kind

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of slimy and scummy. And, you know, it's like... You

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think if you're in the desert, you put a black

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bag somewhere to collect with water in it, and it

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heats it up. That's what you do when you're camping.

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You switch to that mode. Well, and that's kind of

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the point. It's like this is a war situation, and

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I'm like, what is going on with all this? So,

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of course, they –

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This is obviously a war that is not popular, as

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if any war is popular. A war of choice by

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President Trump and – And obviously everything's being misrepresented by

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our Secretary of War, Hegseth. Welcome in. Senate Democrats are

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demanding answers about conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. Interesting,

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only the Democrats are. I mean, there you go. Midterms

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right away. Carrier station in the Middle East. No one

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else cares. No one cares. Richard Blumenthal says the carrier

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has been deployed for 250 days and has not come

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ashore in more than 200 days. setting a record. There

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are reports of problems on board the ship and two

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U.S. officials confirmed to CBS News that a sailor from

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the USS Lincoln went overboard and was recovered safely. Defense

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Secretary Pete Hegseth says the reports of conditions on board

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are completely misrepresented. Completely misrepresented. Listen, we make sure that...

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Every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can

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provide them at every single moment. Some deployments are longer

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than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for

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those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high

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seas and those austere conditions with less port calls, it's

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incredible. Americans don't understand why. what it's like to do

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that. So as someone who's been not been on a

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ship like that, but been on long deployments, I feel

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it. I want them home as soon as everybody else

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do. I want folks rotated as quickly as possible. I

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want the best for them. My commanders know that. Our

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service secretaries know that. The president expects that. And so

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to that crew and to all those crews, We're going

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to do everything we can for you, and we are

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so grateful for their dedication of that crew and others.

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They've held the line for the country, and they've done

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a fantastic job. So we have several. Yeah. Well, he

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did a good job of shifting the focus there of

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thanking the troops instead of looking at what people were

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saying. I've seen some videos, though, of some of the

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soldiers. Look how dirty it is. I'm like, you know,

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I lived in apartments that were dirtier than that, bro.

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It doesn't look that bad. You know, clean up after

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yourself. Yeah. You know, like the toilet. Look, I've seen

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some toilets. You ever go to Burning Man? You open

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up one of these porta potties, you will see a

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mountain of feces popping out of the toilet. That's how

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gross it is. And I didn't see anything like that

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in any of these videos. So to me, if it's

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not even up to the Burning Man standard of grossness,

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you could probably survive. So we got boots on the

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ground from one of our naval aviators. Who I know

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personally, so I take this at high confidence to be

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true. Here's what he says. First, the longer you're in

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the Navy, the better you get at complaining. Everyone complains

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on deployment, which makes sense. Some complain because of issues

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experienced and some complain just for the sake of complaining.

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try to have it addressed at the correct level –

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In your COC instead of wanking to your family and

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then them taking it directly to M5M. Keep in mind,

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nobody actively serving on the Lincoln has any context of

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what the situation actually is. It's all hearsay and some

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videos and some posts. Second, every sailor aboard has a

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mailing address. You can very easily mail them whatever they

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require. Ship, store, has a very limited selection of products

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to choose from. Very simple to go to Walmart, procure

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the items the sailor actually wants, mail it to him.

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You can also mail food if you want. So the

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complaint of running out of things such as soap and

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toothbrushes could be easily overcome if the sailor simply asks

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his or her family to mail the stuff to him.

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Third. deployments are the opposite of fun. It's like, yeah,

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this is a war situation. Sure, after all is said

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and done, you have some good stories and experiences to

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reflect on fondly, but being on a huge boat for

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months is a war situation. For months on end, doing

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the same job every single day, regardless of weather or

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time of day, is monotonous. Flight operations on a flight

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deck is also an extremely dangerous and unforgiving job. Some

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people just can't adapt to that kind of environment. You

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can't just up and quit on the spot like you

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can with a civilian job, so I'd imagine some folks

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feel trapped. Female sailors can get a free trip back

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home more easily than male sailors. All they have to

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do is get pregnant, and boom, you're on your way

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back home. Male sailors can't get pregnant, can't just quit

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without having any repercussions. So I imagine the person who

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caused the man overboard was looking for a way to

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get back home as soon as possible or had some

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pretty significant mental issues going on or a combination of

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both. Man overboard drills happen all the time to test

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the crew's ability to quickly determine who is the missing

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person so they can positively identify. who they're looking for

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once they locate that missing person. It's like he's writing

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a report for me. These drills are a huge pain

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in the ass, but when it happens for real, the

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drills demonstrate their value. And then fourth, unlivable conditions. Showers

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and toilets break all the time. Being on a warship

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in a war zone is not like living at a

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Marriott resort. Much better than being in a tent or

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a foxhole, though, because your rack is always... dry and

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you're not under threat of enemies storming into your living

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quarters. The ship's company completes a rigid cleaning schedule daily

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and is responsible for the maintenance, upkeep of the equipment

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and the spaces. Is there likely mold somewhere on a

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shower curtain or essentially a floating city? Sure. Is the

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crew responsible for this? Yes. Everyone can do better, but

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this issue is best addressed at the Deck Plate Lipset.

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leadership level and not broadcast all over the news. So

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he says, this is exactly what we started the show

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with. This is just to make Trump look bad. The

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war is no good. And no wars are good, obviously.

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And actually, this was much ado about nothing. Pretty much.

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I mean, we have to have respect for our men

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and women in uniform because, man, it's a tough gig.

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And certainly for nine months, this is not easy. Here's...

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I think this has got some veterans. Well, I just

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got a boots on the ground report. Okay. I got

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a boots on it from a veteran. He was in

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Vietnam. It's my father-in-law, actually, Earl, who's listening now. I

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was in Vietnam for eight months, slept in a pup

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tent for three months during the rainy monsoon season. Period.

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Sailors are sissies. Yeah. . CBS News Senior National Security

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Correspondent Charlie Daggett joining us now. So, Charlie, what do

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we know about the conditions on the USS Abraham Lincoln?

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Yeah, Juliette, it's been described as austere. So these sailors

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and Marines have been at sea for a number of

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months. We'll get into that in a moment. But where

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the alarm bells started ringing was. Hold on. Who describes

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a giant? The giant ship is austere. Like CBS News.

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Like, no. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's a different

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thing when it's at sea and it's at war. Because

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this aircraft carrier was supposed to go to the Pacific

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and it had. It then turned right to go to

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the Middle East. It found itself in the middle of

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an active kinetic conflict zone. It has come under attack

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repeatedly, defending those attacks. But when you're in a conflict

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zone like that, where you've got these fighter jets taking

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off You're looking at 12, 18-hour days constantly pushing these

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out. And that is going to have a fatigue element

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on the airframes themselves, the aircraft carrier, and the personnel.

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And that's what's raised alarm bells among, again, the parents,

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the families of these sailors and Marines on board saying

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this is a long deployment. It's wearing down on the

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individuals who are part of that deployment. And that's what

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rang alarm bells. So the Military Times had a report

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that... One individual had tried to jump overboard, but as

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we reported and we confirmed, there was a rescue of

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somebody who had gone overboard. We're not inferring that that

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was intentional, but there was a rescue there. And that

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is why we're paying attention to the Abraham Lincoln. Now,

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we spoke to the Navy. The Navy said the Marines

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and sailors on board. are fully equipped with whatever they

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need to continue these operations. But again, I have to

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drill down. This is not a normal deployment. This isn't

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an aircraft carrier at sea. This is an aircraft carrier

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that's currently engaged in a war against Iran. Okay, reasonably

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fair. So they bring in a couple of veterans. Joining

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me now from Oman. Honolulu, Hawaii, is retired U.S. Navy

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Captain Carl Schuster. He's the former director of operations at

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the U.S. Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center Pacific. Captain, great

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to see you. You are a veteran with decades in

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the Navy. What's your initial reaction when you hear that

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Any ship has been at sea for more than 250

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days. I think it's exceptionally difficult for the crew. I

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never did more than 90 days at sea. And I

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can tell you the minute you pass the 60 day

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mark, you're you're feeling tired of the deployment. It's not

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unusual. Certainly in my day, we had one or two

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guys try to jump overboard at about the 50 to

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60 day mark. Being at sea on a carrier, particularly

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in a conflict situation, it's very intense. It places a

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very heavy psychological stress on you and physical, particularly for

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the guys in the propeller.

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spaces and the guys on the flight deck. Their work

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is very intense, very hard, and very stressful, and in

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some cases, very dangerous. And everyone eventually reaches a breaking

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point. So we shouldn't condemn these guys. We should thank

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them for their service and give them all the help

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we can to get through the stress and situations they

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felt. You know, and unlike your dad, Earl, ITM Earl,

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you know, that was a crazy war where, like, what

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are we doing? And this is a war, the way

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I see it, to reset the oil structure. of the

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entire world. It's not even really for us. And to

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reset the pricing of oil... But it's a real war.

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And, you know, there's real danger involved. And all we're

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talking about is toothpaste and soap. And it's the oddest

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thing. And, of course, the president weighed in when he

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was asked about it. Go ahead. Mr. President, is there

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enough food on the USS Lincoln? Yeah, it is. That

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was a CNN fake report. The Lincoln has been out

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there for a period of time, good period of time,

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but over the years we've had him out there much

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longer. I was at a group meeting and an admiral

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came up to see me over the weekend. And it

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was at a big group and he happened to be

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an admiral retired. He said, I've been on ships that

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are out there much longer than that, sir. And I

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know people on the link and they say it's beautifully

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maintained and beautifully taken care of. And other people went

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out and they found out that it was fake news

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reporting from CNN. There you go. It's a big, beautiful

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ship. It's fake news. It's fake news. And how long

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is too long? Yeah. Well, no, that ship is moving.

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No, they're not. That ship is moving right now, or

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very shortly, and it's being replaced with another very similar

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ship. Have the deployment gone off too long? No, no,

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no. Not nearly long enough. Thank you, everybody. Not nearly

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long enough. And here is... We need them out there

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longer. Yeah, here's the Navy secretary. Families of service members

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from USS Abraham Lincoln Strike Group are voicing their concerns

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over mental health and safety conditions aboard the aircraft carrier.

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It's after multiple reported attempts by crew members to jump

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overboard. The USS Lincoln has been deployed for nearly nine

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months after it was... redirected to support U.S. operations with

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the war with Iran. Yesterday, President Donald Trump answered questions

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about the extended deployment. That ship is moving right now,

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or very shortly, and it's being replaced with another very

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similar ship. Has the deployment gone off too long? No,

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no, no. Not nearly long enough. Acting Secretary of the

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Navy, Hong Kong, releasing a statement, too, saying the media

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has tried to paint the soldiers on board as victims,

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saying, quote, there's no question our young men and women

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have been pushed to their limits, but they have never

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broken. It's clear, knowing the whole story, our force and

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their families are not victims. They are the epitome of

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American strength and resilience. Now, of course, I'm here in

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Fredericksburg, home of Admiral Nimitz. So I can't really get

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on board with all sailors or sissies. My grandfather was

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a lieutenant commander in the South Pacific. He was gone

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for years. He ran one of those crappy, horrible bases

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on the islands. So respect to all of them. But

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this is just about making Trump look bad, making the

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war look bad, which it is. No doubt about it.

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Wars are no good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And any anything

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you can find to augment that. And I go back

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to these videos that they sent out. The toilets looked

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a little dirty. The showers looked – maybe there's some

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mold in the corners. But, you know, I got mold

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in the corner of my shower at home, and it's

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not the end of the world. I'm not taking a

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shower at your place, Rob. What did you bring? Well,

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it's just a little bit in the corner. Yeah, sure.

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What did you bring? You brought all kinds of places.

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Well, you know what? I just – I brought all

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kinds of clothes, but I just found one. When hearing

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about all these people jumping off, I'm going to send

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you this, and we can play a couple of these

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other clips. I don't really have anything about the war

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necessarily. Yeah, I'm looking through my – yeah, but there's

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this Marine Drill Instructor video. And it's this marine drill

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instructor that kind of looks like the actress who became

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an actor who's real small. I forget her name, but

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she played one of the X-Men at one point. And

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this drill instructor looks like a... Like real skinny and

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talking about if you feel bad, you know, let us

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know if we're mean to you. And this is the

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Marines. This isn't the I'm sending it to you now.

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I don't know if you'll get this, but if you

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if you do get this, I just put a gibberish

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headline in there, but I just sent it to the

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FUBAR email. I didn't put the whole thing out there

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so no one else will spam you. But when you

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hear this drill instructor talk, you're like, oh, my God,

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this is the mindset that's in our military. And it's

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social justice warrior out the wazoo. And I have nothing

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against – I think I love our men and women

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in the military. I'm glad they're out there doing this

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stuff. But there is such a thing as too much

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whining. And, you know, I think older people put up

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with a lot more because we didn't have all the

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comforts that people have now. You know, when we were

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younger, it was drink out of the water hose. You

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know, it wasn't. It wasn't, you're going to have filtered

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water, and here's your ice. How old are you, Rob?

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Here's your little chair. I'm 52, so I've been around

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the 80s and 90s. I know my way around there

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very well. Elliot Paine is who it was? Life wasn't.

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Elliot Page? Elliot Page, yes. There we go. Elliot Page.

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Thank you, Robin. So this drill instructor looks like Elliot

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Page, and I just sent you the MP3. I don't

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know if it came through or not. I got it.

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I got it. But, I mean, just play a little

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bit of that. Wait, play this? Set the stage for

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With violence, fairness, dignity, and compassion, physical or public abuse

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by any Marine or recruit, one must be tolerated. If

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anyone should abuse or mistreat you, I expect you to

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report such hatred immediately to me.

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me. What am I hearing here? All right, if you

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were to watch this video, it is a rail-thin, I

469
00:26:42,474 --> 00:26:45,034
believe it's a female. I can't tell if it's a

470
00:26:45,034 --> 00:26:47,654
female or male because the chest is very flat, very

471
00:26:47,654 --> 00:26:53,054
skinny. And with the Marine drill sergeant hat on, walking

472
00:26:53,054 --> 00:26:55,994
back and forth, talking to recruits, telling them if you've

473
00:26:55,994 --> 00:26:59,354
been mistreated, you will report it. We're not going to

474
00:26:59,354 --> 00:27:02,594
touch you. We will treat you with respect. I mean

475
00:27:02,594 --> 00:27:05,364
exactly opposite of what you've seen in every other movie

476
00:27:05,364 --> 00:27:09,244
or heard reports about when people go to boot camp.

477
00:27:09,424 --> 00:27:11,754
You're a maggot. We're going to build – they call

478
00:27:11,754 --> 00:27:14,304
it basic training because they build you from the ground

479
00:27:14,304 --> 00:27:16,204
up. They're like, we're going to teach you how to

480
00:27:16,204 --> 00:27:17,774
wipe your butt. We're going to teach you how to

481
00:27:17,774 --> 00:27:19,144
walk. We're going to teach you how to make your

482
00:27:19,144 --> 00:27:23,154
bed. And the way this is, when I hear these

483
00:27:23,154 --> 00:27:26,744
sailors bitch about their ship, I think of this marine

484
00:27:26,744 --> 00:27:29,014
drill instructor, which this video came out in the beginning

485
00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:31,524
of August. So it's just now – it's been circulating

486
00:27:31,524 --> 00:27:34,874
for less than a month. But you're hearing this. You

487
00:27:34,874 --> 00:27:49,764
will report. You know I have a shooting. Yeah. something

488
00:27:49,764 --> 00:27:59,724
that I will do. Well, you know, it's and it's

489
00:27:59,724 --> 00:28:02,564
really I don't think it's the sailors aren't complaining. It's

490
00:28:02,564 --> 00:28:04,984
the families who are. And have we seen many of

491
00:28:04,984 --> 00:28:06,994
them or is it more just like I spoke to

492
00:28:06,994 --> 00:28:09,824
some families and here's what they say? That's what it

493
00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:13,084
sounded like to me. Well, and it's anonymous. It's anonymous,

494
00:28:13,084 --> 00:28:16,014
you know, photos. It's like point of view here. Here's

495
00:28:16,014 --> 00:28:18,384
the toilet. Here's the shower. How can we live like

496
00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:21,114
this? Yeah. And I think one of them showed a

497
00:28:21,114 --> 00:28:24,724
backed up toilet at one point because I started looking

498
00:28:24,724 --> 00:28:27,514
through these when they started coming out. I'm like, well,

499
00:28:27,514 --> 00:28:29,184
let's see how bad this is because I've seen some

500
00:28:29,184 --> 00:28:32,434
bad toilets in my life. And I'm like, okay, this

501
00:28:32,434 --> 00:28:35,924
isn't that bad. I'm sure it sucks being hit with

502
00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:39,184
drones and hit with missiles and whatever else is going

503
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:42,053
on there. And I don't think we're getting the real

504
00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:44,183
reports on that. And I think that's what might be

505
00:28:44,183 --> 00:28:47,144
going on. The stress of that. Combine, these people are

506
00:28:47,144 --> 00:28:49,854
reporting back and their families are going, oh, we got

507
00:28:49,854 --> 00:28:51,874
to do something about this. We got to go to

508
00:28:51,874 --> 00:28:55,144
the media. Yeah. And, you know, I think it's probably

509
00:28:55,144 --> 00:28:57,884
partisan at, you know, the people that are complaining. Well,

510
00:28:57,884 --> 00:29:00,344
let's let's check in with the war itself as there

511
00:29:00,344 --> 00:29:05,764
have been a few developments. Yeah. Nice, nice Nat Pop,

512
00:29:05,764 --> 00:29:09,034
by the way. Good job, guys. Oh, yeah. Unable to

513
00:29:09,034 --> 00:29:12,284
put an end to the Iran war, President Trump today

514
00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:17,464
threatened to expand it. issuing a blunt and profane warning

515
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,334
to a U.S. ally, Oman, saying he would bomb the

516
00:29:21,334 --> 00:29:25,304
expletive out of them if they interfered with U.S. objectives

517
00:29:25,304 --> 00:29:28,054
in the critical Strait of Hormuz. Would you say you're

518
00:29:28,054 --> 00:29:30,734
out of patience with Oman? No, I don't think they

519
00:29:30,734 --> 00:29:33,754
behave very well, but we'd handle them very easily, just

520
00:29:33,754 --> 00:29:36,134
like we do others. The threat comes as ship traffic

521
00:29:36,134 --> 00:29:40,424
through the strait is at a virtual standstill. This comes

522
00:29:40,424 --> 00:29:43,454
as U.S. military officials are scrambling to respond to a

523
00:29:43,454 --> 00:29:47,514
Trump social media post over the weekend that condemned planned

524
00:29:47,514 --> 00:29:51,684
joint exercises with South Korea. In the post, which blindsided

525
00:29:51,684 --> 00:29:56,044
U.S. military leaders, Trump cited his, quote, very good relationship

526
00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:59,924
with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un and called the drills,

527
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:04,210
inappropriate and hostile toward North Korea and said they would

528
00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:07,650
be scaled back. And today he suggested he's recently been

529
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:11,140
in contact with Kim Jong-un. Kim Jong-un has always treated

530
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:14,860
me with great respect. Though it's widely believed North Korea

531
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:18,760
has provided military support to Iran. Iran. And today had

532
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,110
been the deadline for the... Those guys are busy. They're

533
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:26,100
providing military support to Iran. They're providing military support to

534
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:29,460
Ukraine. The North Koreans, man, they're all over the place.

535
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,540
North Koreans are everywhere. Everywhere. Though it's widely believed North

536
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:38,120
Korea has provided military support to Iran. And today had

537
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,260
been the deadline for the U.S. and Iran to finalize

538
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:44,360
a nuclear agreement and come to a permanent end of

539
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,910
the conflict. But, David, that agreement never came close to

540
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:50,300
happening, and there is no end in sight to the

541
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,610
war. The Iranians today said that that peace deadline, quote,

542
00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:58,520
is no longer relevant. So there is a shift in

543
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,990
strategy, and luckily we're bringing out the general patent on

544
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:05,660
the down low to do it all. New CNN reporting

545
00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:10,610
says Trump told top administration officials today to stop conversations

546
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:13,500
with Iran, according to a U.S. official. A source says

547
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:17,270
White House officials have recently communicated to political allies that

548
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:21,420
they're shifting their strategy, going from hammer Iran ASAP to

549
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:26,100
strangle them over time. Now, the sounds of silence may

550
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,480
not fall pleasantly on the ears of Republicans who are

551
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,450
growing quite impatient with Trump's unpopular war situation. They are

552
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:55,710
worried it will hurt them in the midterm. His administration

553
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:58,810
had established a back channel with Iran. Iran denied that

554
00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:01,430
any back channel talks with the United States were taking

555
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:04,820
place. As for Trump's claim today about no talks happening,

556
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:08,820
that's not what Trump's son-in-law, son-in-law, Special Envoy Jared Kushner,

557
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:14,390
told Fox just yesterday. I will say that the conversations

558
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:18,920
between the U.S. government and different areas of the Iranian

559
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,040
government at all areas is probably more robust than it's

560
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,210
maybe ever been. And so there's been a lot of

561
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:27,720
good dialogues, which I think is very, very helpful. We

562
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,370
are having very positive and active conversations. Then there's the

563
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:34,940
messy situation in the Strait of Hormuz. Trump also wrote

564
00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:37,520
on Truth Social, quote, the naval blockade remains in full

565
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,380
force. In effect, the Hormuz Strait is open and operating.

566
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,050
All water mines have been removed or detonated, unquote. We've

567
00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:48,030
heard Trump say this many times before, despite slow, lagging

568
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:52,280
ship traffic. And Iran asserting otherwise. In fact, global oil

569
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,940
prices are now at their highest level since July as

570
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:59,480
hopes of a resolution for this conflict fade away. That

571
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,810
said, it does appear as though the United States is

572
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:07,200
gaining some control over the strait. The 60 day deadline

573
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,890
to finalize the peace deal expired yesterday. So now the

574
00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:15,240
future overall is in limbo. I'm just going to play

575
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,460
this clip again from Treasury Secretary Scott Besant. Yeah, before

576
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:24,230
you do that. Axios, who seems to be like the

577
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:27,390
back channel to the president at this point, they have

578
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,260
an article like U.S. conducting stealth operation transports through Hormuz.

579
00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:34,130
About 10 million barrels a day they're getting through. So

580
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:39,410
there is something to that where they are still getting

581
00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:42,880
oil through even though – That seems to be, you

582
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160
know, the news doesn't want to report that at all.

583
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Well, except so odd that Axios is now a back

584
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,580
channel to the White House. Oh, I know. That was

585
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:56,830
unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. Who owns that outfit? Who owns? He

586
00:33:56,830 --> 00:34:00,410
did something there. I don't know how. You know, I

587
00:34:00,410 --> 00:34:03,070
think we looked at it before or you looked at

588
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:05,150
it before on the show because it was happened a

589
00:34:05,150 --> 00:34:09,040
few months ago where Trump started dibbling out information through

590
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,820
Axios. And maybe we should ask Cox Enterprises. 70% stake

591
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:19,360
Cox from like the cable company Cox. Yeah. Cox Enterprise.

592
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,050
Yeah. That's what it looks like. Cox Enterprise, a large

593
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:25,010
family and conglomerate. Well, that would make sense because they

594
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:28,440
owned a bunch of those. uh, TV stations that were

595
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,460
more or less, you know, in red States. So that,

596
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:34,530
that kind of would make sense. So, uh, I think

597
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:38,900
you're absolutely right, although the numbers differ. Well, actually, here's

598
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,610
the latest on the numbers coming through the straits. The

599
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:44,070
war with Iran is in its sixth month, and oil

600
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:46,860
is still struggling to move through the Strait of Hormuz.

601
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,080
President Trump's tried bombing Iran into submission. Now he's pivoting

602
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,910
to economic warfare. In a lengthy post, he announced in

603
00:34:54,910 --> 00:34:59,460
all caps... The most crushing economic operation ever taken against

604
00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:02,280
any country. And he called on allies to stand with

605
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,000
the U.S. to unleash economic D-Day, as he called it

606
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,140
on Iran. With us to talk about this is NPR

607
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:12,400
international correspondent Eya Batraoui. Good morning, Eya. Good morning. So

608
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,280
this crushing economic operation that Trump posted about, do we

609
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,830
know what this would look like? I mean, more of

610
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:23,300
the same sanctions, the existing blockade, and even more pressure

611
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,080
now. He's calling on allies around the world, countries around

612
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,190
to join him in this isolation of Iran. And we've

613
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:31,860
seen maximum economic pressure before by President Trump. You'll recall

614
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:34,060
this was his policy the first time he was in

615
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:36,970
office. But this is a step beyond because now there

616
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:39,660
is that naval blockade in place and... And it is

617
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:42,380
blocking Iran from being able to export its oil. And

618
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,810
this pivot from bombings to blockade comes as AAA says

619
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,810
gas prices in the U.S. are up 30% on average

620
00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:51,490
from a year ago. So in many states, people are

621
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:53,900
paying a dollar or more per gallon than they were.

622
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:56,740
Diesel for trucks and jet fuel for flying are even

623
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,840
higher. Wow. Now, that is because of Iran's chokehold on

624
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,900
the Strait of Hormuz since the beginning of this war.

625
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,970
Windward Maritime Intelligence Tracking says 5 million barrels of oil

626
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:08,930
a day did exit the strait on average per day

627
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:11,080
in July, but that is a fraction of the 20

628
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,930
million barrels that were going through before the war. And

629
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:17,760
this is what... No one reports on is the whole.

630
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,080
So I'm going to go. Let's say it's seven and

631
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,590
a half. But 20 used to go through there. Axios

632
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,610
reports 10. That's probably padded from the White House. This

633
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:32,560
is NPR. I think they say five. But there's another

634
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,250
seven. going through the pipelines. Every single one of these

635
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:41,810
Arab countries has completely bypassed the strait. They already had

636
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:46,020
pipelines. They're fast-tracking new pipelines, and this has always been

637
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:50,660
the strategy. Here's Besant. At Treasury, we did economic fury.

638
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:55,340
What goes a little publicized is, you know, On the

639
00:36:55,340 --> 00:36:58,750
kinetic side, Air Force is wiped out, Navy is wiped

640
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,150
out, a big portion of their missiles, more importantly, their

641
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:06,730
missile production. On the economic side, we have them by

642
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:14,660
the throat. And... They've got 150, 180 percent food inflation,

643
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:17,770
not able to pay the troops. So I think shortly,

644
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:21,410
maybe even today, tomorrow, we are going to see an

645
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:28,470
agreement, 30, 60 day ceasefire. And. The straight will be

646
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:31,270
open. Energy prices should come down. There are some who

647
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:33,710
have speculated the straight will never go back to being

648
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:35,950
the way it was before. What would you say? I

649
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:39,950
would say I would take I think they're saying that

650
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:43,420
in a doomsday sort of way. I would say it

651
00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:47,120
in another way. The straight is. never going back to

652
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,250
the way it was because the Iranians have used or

653
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:53,260
tried to use it as a choke point. What we

654
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:56,080
are going to see over the next two years, the

655
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,540
straits going to become irrelevant. It is going to become

656
00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:03,110
just another body of water. And I would say that

657
00:38:03,110 --> 00:38:06,740
more than 50 or 70 percent of the energy that

658
00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:09,760
moves through the strait now is going to go through

659
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,090
underground pipelines. There it is. There it is. Pipeline. There

660
00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:16,360
it is. Yeah. I can't wait to go wake surfing

661
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,920
in the Straits of Hormuz. They find Texas tradition. I

662
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,020
love wake surfing. Yeah, exactly. My favorite things to do

663
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:26,900
in Texas. And there's more oil. I mean, it's not

664
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:31,170
exactly the same oil, but it's important oil. Venezuela's energy

665
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:34,250
leaders say the country is open for business. This week,

666
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:37,530
U.S. oil companies signed some of the first deals with

667
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:40,900
Venezuela in close to two decades. This comes eight months

668
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:45,410
after the U.S. seized Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Houston Public

669
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:48,420
Media's energy reporter Natalie Weber has been reporting on this,

670
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:51,040
and she joins us from Houston. Good morning, Natalie. Good

671
00:38:51,040 --> 00:39:04,300
morning. So I recall that after the U.S. captured Maduro,

672
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,500
oil companies were hesitant to get involved with Venezuela, but

673
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,880
now they're involved. Give us a sense of what's in

674
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,310
these deals. Yeah, so the Dallas-based fund oil company entered

675
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:17,160
into a contract to expand the country's oil and gas

676
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,430
production. And then SLB, formerly known as Schlumberger, a Houston

677
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:25,330
oil field services company, also signed an agreement for oil

678
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:30,250
exploration in Venezuela. And Venezuela's oil minister, Paula Inou, announced

679
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:34,400
this deal on state-runsets. media. These deals were signed on

680
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,020
Tuesday while Venezuelan leaders were in Houston for an energy

681
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:41,400
conference. And I attended the conference in Houston where I

682
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,420
now spoke this week. She says the country has made

683
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:46,590
changes to its laws that will make it easier for

684
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:52,770
foreign companies to invest in Venezuela. Entonces la invitación es

685
00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:54,960
a que What she's saying right now is that the

686
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,240
country's agreements with U.S. companies offer a chance to evaluate

687
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,980
opportunities for investment in

688
00:40:00,042 --> 00:40:02,912
Venezuela. Now, at this time, we don't really know how

689
00:40:02,912 --> 00:40:05,732
much these deals are worth. That hasn't been made public

690
00:40:05,732 --> 00:40:11,492
yet. And then we have another oil gateway reopening or

691
00:40:11,642 --> 00:40:14,292
finally opening. It's sort of like the zombie pipeline project

692
00:40:14,292 --> 00:40:17,482
that will never die. Donald Trump is raising the prospect

693
00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:21,162
of reviving the ill-fated Keystone XL pipeline and Jatane Da

694
00:40:21,162 --> 00:40:24,372
Silva, the former CEO of the Canada Energy Regulator, says

695
00:40:24,372 --> 00:40:28,172
with the U.S. president backing it, the zombie pipeline could

696
00:40:28,172 --> 00:40:31,082
have a new life. If the U.S. president puts his

697
00:40:31,082 --> 00:40:34,862
weight and the it is possible to see this project

698
00:40:34,862 --> 00:40:39,332
move forward. Trump posted on Truth Social the great Keystone

699
00:40:39,332 --> 00:40:43,192
XL pipeline long ago killed by sleepy Joe Biden may

700
00:40:43,192 --> 00:40:46,322
be awoken from the grave. I thought it was actually

701
00:40:46,322 --> 00:40:49,492
a welcome comment because it actually adds potentially some leverage

702
00:40:49,492 --> 00:40:51,612
to Mr. Carney that he might not otherwise have had.

703
00:40:51,732 --> 00:40:55,092
Dennis McConaughey is a former Canadian energy accelerator. executive. He

704
00:40:55,092 --> 00:40:58,532
says the long-dead pipeline could help the Prime Minister secure

705
00:40:58,532 --> 00:41:01,542
a new trade deal with the U.S. The value to

706
00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:07,142
Canada of producing more heavy oil is over the next

707
00:41:07,142 --> 00:41:11,572
decades is the driving force economically behind this. And when

708
00:41:11,572 --> 00:41:15,062
Trump signaled it last night, again, it underscores the fact

709
00:41:15,062 --> 00:41:18,982
that the Americans recognize the value of that trade and

710
00:41:18,982 --> 00:41:21,592
would want more of it if they could get it.

711
00:41:21,592 --> 00:41:25,672
I think that's the whole center of this conversation. new

712
00:41:25,672 --> 00:41:29,662
deal that the president's working on with Canada. It's all

713
00:41:29,662 --> 00:41:32,862
about this. Well, he did a three-day tariff on him

714
00:41:32,862 --> 00:41:35,722
to get him, I think, to come to the table

715
00:41:35,722 --> 00:41:37,842
for that. We're going to do a three-day tariff. It's

716
00:41:37,842 --> 00:41:40,592
what you do. And we'll see what happens. And yeah,

717
00:41:40,592 --> 00:41:44,862
and... I love how the press is like, oh, it's

718
00:41:44,862 --> 00:41:48,072
the ill-fated, it's a zombie pipeline, it's this terrible thing.

719
00:41:48,472 --> 00:41:51,792
Pipelines are how you want to move things, honestly, because...

720
00:41:51,612 --> 00:41:54,292
One, it's self-contained. You know where it's going to be.

721
00:41:54,292 --> 00:41:56,172
You don't have a bunch of trucks on the road,

722
00:41:56,172 --> 00:41:59,672
which could, especially with some of our truck drivers now

723
00:41:59,672 --> 00:42:03,732
who are from unsuspecting backgrounds, they could be crashing into

724
00:42:03,732 --> 00:42:06,822
people. So I think that's the way to go. And

725
00:42:06,822 --> 00:42:09,272
a lot of these things, everything has sensors on it

726
00:42:09,272 --> 00:42:11,302
now. So they know when it's leaking. They know where

727
00:42:11,302 --> 00:42:14,952
it's leaking. They know... They could dispatch a team to

728
00:42:14,952 --> 00:42:17,332
fix it. It's not like it's going to be sitting

729
00:42:17,332 --> 00:42:20,212
in the wilderness for 10 years, globbing oil out onto

730
00:42:20,212 --> 00:42:23,842
the ground. Yeah, leaking away. You know what's crazy? They're

731
00:42:23,842 --> 00:42:27,922
not letting that happen. Tina and I have been watching

732
00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:31,372
the West Wing. We started an episode. Well, actually, we

733
00:42:31,372 --> 00:42:34,962
started with the pilot. Yeah. And when you watch this,

734
00:42:34,962 --> 00:42:36,932
I think we're in season four or five at this

735
00:42:36,932 --> 00:42:39,712
point. I don't know. It just it remains kind of

736
00:42:39,712 --> 00:42:43,722
interesting, but it's clear. You know, this is clearly a

737
00:42:43,722 --> 00:42:47,402
Democrat. Well, it is a Democrat White House. And all

738
00:42:47,402 --> 00:42:52,552
of the things they discuss, almost everything are things that

739
00:42:52,552 --> 00:42:56,272
President Trump is doing. But then it was seen as

740
00:42:56,272 --> 00:42:59,522
heroic. Oh, but they're discussing it like they might fix

741
00:42:59,522 --> 00:43:01,612
it, but they're not really going to fix it? Yeah,

742
00:43:01,612 --> 00:43:03,652
I mean, the whole thing is just – it's crazy.

743
00:43:03,652 --> 00:43:09,652
Like even with the whole FCC, we're going to take

744
00:43:09,652 --> 00:43:14,722
away your license. I think I have to – Oh,

745
00:43:14,722 --> 00:43:19,942
okay. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a moment in the West

746
00:43:19,942 --> 00:43:26,392
Wing where the three television, the big networks, ABC, CBS,

747
00:43:26,392 --> 00:43:29,812
NBC, they come in the White House and say, yeah,

748
00:43:29,812 --> 00:43:35,452
we're not going to cover the conventions. We're going to

749
00:43:35,452 --> 00:43:39,412
do maybe 45 minutes. We'll do the balloon drop. We're

750
00:43:39,412 --> 00:43:41,522
not going to cover them wall to wall like we

751
00:43:41,522 --> 00:43:46,482
have before. And so there's this actually Ron Silver plays

752
00:43:46,482 --> 00:43:51,822
a consultant and he talks to Leo, who's the president's

753
00:43:51,822 --> 00:43:57,192
what do you call it? chief of staff. And this

754
00:43:57,192 --> 00:43:59,572
is Martin Sheen who's the president, right? Martin Sheen's the

755
00:43:59,572 --> 00:44:05,692
president. Actually, he talks to what's his face? The other

756
00:44:05,692 --> 00:44:10,652
guy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. And the guy goes back

757
00:44:10,652 --> 00:44:13,072
to the networks and he says, So you get these

758
00:44:13,072 --> 00:44:16,532
licenses for free. You're not acting in the best interest.

759
00:44:16,912 --> 00:44:19,122
You are colluding together. I'm going to have the FCC

760
00:44:19,122 --> 00:44:21,402
take your licenses away. And at the time, it was

761
00:44:21,402 --> 00:44:24,092
like, yeah, that's how you deal with them. And now

762
00:44:24,092 --> 00:44:27,502
it's like, oh, no, biased. You just don't like them

763
00:44:27,502 --> 00:44:33,272
reporting negatively on you. It's the exact same thing. Well,

764
00:44:33,272 --> 00:44:36,162
yeah. It is. And I think if Obama or Biden

765
00:44:36,162 --> 00:44:38,572
was like, we're going to take these licenses away, they're

766
00:44:38,572 --> 00:44:41,482
they're paying playing too much white supremacist content on these

767
00:44:41,482 --> 00:44:44,422
networks. You know, people be like, yes, yes, that's, you

768
00:44:44,422 --> 00:44:47,272
know, the news. They be all for it. Oh, there's

769
00:44:47,272 --> 00:44:49,472
white support, which I have a couple of those clips.

770
00:44:49,552 --> 00:44:51,062
But I do have a clip. You're talking about the

771
00:44:51,062 --> 00:44:53,992
war. And when we get out of this, I think

772
00:44:53,992 --> 00:44:56,332
a good place to leave is Trump talking about leaving

773
00:44:56,332 --> 00:44:59,472
NATO. I think that's a big – that could be

774
00:44:59,472 --> 00:45:03,552
a really big deal for just that access over there

775
00:45:03,552 --> 00:45:08,132
in Western Europe. And they think they have carte blanche

776
00:45:08,132 --> 00:45:11,852
protection from us, and if Trump pulls out of that,

777
00:45:11,852 --> 00:45:14,602
which I don't – think will have happened i think

778
00:45:14,602 --> 00:45:17,122
it's just a bunch of bravado but he's saying it

779
00:45:17,122 --> 00:45:19,202
no one no one said it since nato has been

780
00:45:19,202 --> 00:45:20,952
formed that we're going to get out of nato he's

781
00:45:20,952 --> 00:45:23,292
the only person to actually say that he could get

782
00:45:23,292 --> 00:45:26,092
out but i think that nato made a terrible mistake

783
00:45:26,092 --> 00:45:31,592
when they wouldn't send a small amount of military armament

784
00:45:31,592 --> 00:45:38,132
when they wouldn't send just even acknowledge what we were

785
00:45:38,132 --> 00:45:42,082
doing for the world and taking on Iran. I never

786
00:45:42,082 --> 00:45:46,472
considered it very risky, but wars always risk, you know,

787
00:45:46,472 --> 00:45:50,022
a lot of, Strange happened to think things happen in

788
00:45:50,022 --> 00:45:54,352
war that very bad. But but I didn't consider it.

789
00:45:54,352 --> 00:45:56,492
I know how great I'm with the greatest military by

790
00:45:56,492 --> 00:45:59,082
far anywhere. There was nobody close. I didn't think there

791
00:45:59,082 --> 00:46:02,792
was a big risk. But there's always surprises with war.

792
00:46:02,912 --> 00:46:05,032
They can be very bad surprises. I mean, wars are

793
00:46:05,032 --> 00:46:07,782
lost. That should be one. Many wars are lost. You

794
00:46:07,782 --> 00:46:10,372
think. A country is going to wipe somebody out and

795
00:46:10,372 --> 00:46:12,562
they end up getting wiped out themselves. So it's always

796
00:46:12,562 --> 00:46:16,602
risky. But I think a tremendous mistake was. Wow. That's

797
00:46:16,602 --> 00:46:19,652
actually what he says right there is is is accurate.

798
00:46:19,652 --> 00:46:22,882
Very interesting. Oh, Koran. I mean, wars are lost. It

799
00:46:22,882 --> 00:46:25,902
should be won. Many wars are lost. You think. A

800
00:46:25,902 --> 00:46:28,012
country is going to wipe somebody out and they end

801
00:46:28,012 --> 00:46:30,932
up getting wiped out themselves. So it's always risky. But

802
00:46:30,932 --> 00:46:34,952
I think a tremendous mistake was when NATO just wasn't

803
00:46:34,952 --> 00:46:39,772
there. They just weren't there. It's going to make a

804
00:46:39,772 --> 00:46:42,452
lot of money for the United States because we spend

805
00:46:42,452 --> 00:46:45,782
hundreds of billions of dollars a year on NATO, hundreds

806
00:46:45,782 --> 00:46:48,862
of protecting them. And we would have always been there

807
00:46:48,862 --> 00:46:51,732
for them. But now, based on their actions, I guess

808
00:46:51,732 --> 00:46:54,392
we don't have to be, do we? Well, what he

809
00:46:54,392 --> 00:46:58,002
said there, I've been saying for months is an actual

810
00:46:58,002 --> 00:47:02,642
possibility, certainly with what's going on between – Ukraine and

811
00:47:02,642 --> 00:47:06,312
Russia. This happened last night. Overseas now to Ukraine launching

812
00:47:06,312 --> 00:47:08,702
a massive drone assault on Russia. This is one of

813
00:47:08,702 --> 00:47:12,232
the largest aerial attacks since the four-year-old war began. Let's

814
00:47:12,232 --> 00:47:14,692
get right to ABC's Lama Hassan. Lama, what more are

815
00:47:14,692 --> 00:47:18,092
you learning tonight? Yeah, Lindsay, this was a massive attack.

816
00:47:18,212 --> 00:47:21,452
The Russian defense ministry saying it destroyed more than 800

817
00:47:21,452 --> 00:47:26,202
Ukrainian drones overnight. Moscow's mayor adding that some 600 drones

818
00:47:26,202 --> 00:47:29,452
were detected heading toward the Russian capital, shooting down a

819
00:47:29,452 --> 00:47:32,292
third of them, but still at least seven people across

820
00:47:32,292 --> 00:47:36,772
Russia were killed. Wildberries, which is Russia's largest online retailer,

821
00:47:36,772 --> 00:47:40,372
hit again. One of its massive warehouses on fire. Russia

822
00:47:40,372 --> 00:47:43,492
fighting back, sending a wave of drones, killing at least

823
00:47:43,492 --> 00:47:46,732
five people, just destroying a market in the Ukrainian capital,

824
00:47:46,732 --> 00:47:50,482
Kiev. The Ukrainian defense minister believes their ballistic missiles will

825
00:47:50,482 --> 00:47:52,842
be able to reach Russian territory in three to six

826
00:47:52,842 --> 00:47:55,272
months. So there seems to be no end in sight

827
00:47:55,272 --> 00:47:58,532
to the fighting, Lindsay. What is clear is that these

828
00:47:58,532 --> 00:48:02,672
latest strikes are a dramatic escalation in this war. You

829
00:48:02,672 --> 00:48:08,472
know... Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and they're

830
00:48:08,472 --> 00:48:11,872
really, they are just being put on the front line

831
00:48:11,872 --> 00:48:16,362
by... there you know the europeans and the uk and

832
00:48:16,362 --> 00:48:20,452
now moscow is saying you know hey you know you

833
00:48:20,452 --> 00:48:23,292
uk guys this is not going to fly moscow has

834
00:48:23,292 --> 00:48:28,412
threatened britain with consequences following confirmation the uk has supplied

835
00:48:28,412 --> 00:48:31,552
ukraine with drones that have been used to hit targets

836
00:48:31,552 --> 00:48:35,112
deep inside russia as we've been hearing kiev has launched

837
00:48:35,112 --> 00:48:50,122
Transcription by CastingWords This follows newspaper reports the weekend that

838
00:48:50,122 --> 00:48:53,072
for the first time drone technology from the UK was

839
00:48:53,072 --> 00:48:57,092
used in these strikes against Russia, confirmed from sources to

840
00:48:57,092 --> 00:49:00,562
the BBC. Now, some of those reports talked about strikes

841
00:49:00,562 --> 00:49:04,812
on oil facilities in southern Russia, Yaroslavl near Moscow. What

842
00:49:04,812 --> 00:49:07,822
the Russian embassy here in London has put out is

843
00:49:07,822 --> 00:49:12,622
a statement saying that... London is deliberately opting for escalation

844
00:49:12,622 --> 00:49:15,712
in Ukraine. So the UK was trying to contain Russia,

845
00:49:15,712 --> 00:49:18,932
inflict maximum damage on it by a proxy, and those

846
00:49:18,932 --> 00:49:23,342
actions will inevitably carry consequences for which London will have

847
00:49:23,342 --> 00:49:26,602
to answer. Now, in response, we've heard from the Ministry

848
00:49:26,602 --> 00:49:29,192
of Defence here. They have put out their own statement,

849
00:49:29,192 --> 00:49:32,102
the Ministry of Defence spokespersons, saying Britain stands shoulder to

850
00:49:32,102 --> 00:49:35,812
shoulder with Ukraine. It will continue to supply Ukraine with

851
00:49:35,812 --> 00:49:38,882
the equipment it needs to defend itself against what they

852
00:49:38,882 --> 00:49:42,112
say is Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Russia should be

853
00:49:42,112 --> 00:49:44,022
in no doubt about the resolve of the government to

854
00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:47,982
stand against Russian aggression. And that's also a message that

855
00:49:47,982 --> 00:49:50,762
Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, delivered his first foreign visitor

856
00:49:50,762 --> 00:49:52,592
here when he became Prime Minister. Prime Minister a few

857
00:49:52,592 --> 00:49:55,032
weeks ago was President Zelensky of Ukraine, and he said

858
00:49:55,032 --> 00:49:57,852
he would stand shoulder to shoulder with him. Yeah, man,

859
00:49:57,852 --> 00:49:59,992
when you hit the Amazon...

860
00:50:00,054 --> 00:50:02,654
But Russia, that's when people start to lose it. Can

861
00:50:02,654 --> 00:50:06,044
you imagine if they hit Amazon in America? We go

862
00:50:06,044 --> 00:50:12,374
crazy. And you're getting updates. Yeah, your package done blowed

863
00:50:12,374 --> 00:50:16,894
up. That's it. And it'll be another three to six

864
00:50:16,894 --> 00:50:19,794
weeks. Going back to what Trump was saying, a country

865
00:50:19,794 --> 00:50:22,344
thinks they're going to annihilate somebody and they end up

866
00:50:22,344 --> 00:50:24,584
losing. You could look at that. Is he talking about

867
00:50:24,584 --> 00:50:27,044
the U.S. or is he talking about Israel? Because Israel

868
00:50:27,044 --> 00:50:29,404
kind of wanted this war more than anybody, it seems

869
00:50:29,404 --> 00:50:33,154
like. And they might end up being on the back

870
00:50:33,154 --> 00:50:36,124
end of the stick of this at the end, especially

871
00:50:36,124 --> 00:50:40,124
with, I guess it was Benjamin Netanyahu who was like,

872
00:50:40,384 --> 00:50:43,244
screamed out of parliament. They were shouting him out. And

873
00:50:43,244 --> 00:50:47,124
so there's definitely turmoil going on everywhere. Yeah, here's here's

874
00:50:47,124 --> 00:50:50,754
the latest. The United States and Syria have condemned Israeli

875
00:50:50,754 --> 00:50:54,424
airstrikes on a military airport in northern Syria. The runway

876
00:50:54,424 --> 00:50:58,024
at Abu al-Dahur airport that's located in the eastern Idlib

877
00:50:58,024 --> 00:51:02,144
countryside has been damaged. Multiple fighter jets were heard in

878
00:51:02,144 --> 00:51:05,344
that area. That's ahead of the strikes. And no injuries

879
00:51:05,344 --> 00:51:09,194
have been reported. But in a statement, the U.S. Special

880
00:51:09,194 --> 00:51:12,264
Envoy for Syria, that's Tom Barrack, said we're deeply concerned

881
00:51:12,264 --> 00:51:16,824
that the confirmed Israeli airstrikes on Abu Dhuhr airbase constitute

882
00:51:16,824 --> 00:51:21,984
an unnecessary escalation that doesn't advance regional stability. The al-Shara

883
00:51:21,984 --> 00:51:26,984
government has neither adopted a predatory posture nor maintained proxy

884
00:51:26,984 --> 00:51:31,164
forces. It has, in fact, repeatedly indicated a preference for

885
00:51:31,164 --> 00:51:35,924
de-escalation with Israel. Yeah, I think Trump's dropping support for

886
00:51:35,924 --> 00:51:40,824
Israel. He's He's like not even talking about him. He's

887
00:51:40,824 --> 00:51:46,184
not endorsing Netanyahu either for re-election. When are the elections?

888
00:51:46,584 --> 00:51:49,474
When are the elections? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't

889
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:52,064
tell you. All I know is October 19th is the

890
00:51:52,064 --> 00:51:57,384
referendum for Alberta to start the process for independence. We'll

891
00:51:57,384 --> 00:51:59,954
take you guys. Come on. We'll take you. We're happy

892
00:51:59,954 --> 00:52:03,934
to have you. Exactly. I mean – The Keystone Pipeline

893
00:52:03,934 --> 00:52:06,484
is all American now. It just kind of goes up

894
00:52:06,484 --> 00:52:09,544
in there, and then we just are giving oil to

895
00:52:09,544 --> 00:52:14,144
everybody cheap. Breaking news, FBI raids home of Eric Swallowswell.

896
00:52:14,224 --> 00:52:16,914
Did you see that? No. Oh, no. What do you

897
00:52:16,914 --> 00:52:19,344
got? You got a quad screen up there, Rob? What

898
00:52:19,344 --> 00:52:21,024
are you looking at? I didn't hear any of that.

899
00:52:21,524 --> 00:52:24,174
I don't see it. I have. It came out at

900
00:52:24,174 --> 00:52:28,304
2.13 p.m. Eastern. So just less than an hour ago,

901
00:52:28,304 --> 00:52:31,454
a federal agency seized electronic devices. A former Democratic rep

902
00:52:31,454 --> 00:52:35,154
swallows well. I call them swallows well. But at the

903
00:52:35,154 --> 00:52:39,624
San Francisco airport. On Saturday and then raided his home

904
00:52:39,624 --> 00:52:41,924
in Washington, D.C. the next day as part of an

905
00:52:41,924 --> 00:52:45,644
ongoing probe on sexual assault allegations. Now, see, nothing about

906
00:52:45,644 --> 00:52:48,144
what the Chinese spy or any of that stuff. It's

907
00:52:48,144 --> 00:52:51,004
sexual assault. That's how they always get you. Of course.

908
00:52:51,204 --> 00:52:54,374
It's never anything real. It's always – Always. When I

909
00:52:54,374 --> 00:52:58,164
say real, it's nothing like – It's always sex stuff.

910
00:52:58,344 --> 00:53:01,844
Exactly. It's never about anything that they could have done

911
00:53:01,844 --> 00:53:05,464
against the country. What I find interesting is that –

912
00:53:05,604 --> 00:53:08,064
The whole the whole Israel narrative has just kind of

913
00:53:08,064 --> 00:53:11,484
disappeared, you know, certainly here in Texas. But if you

914
00:53:11,484 --> 00:53:14,164
just look online, I don't know, maybe it's only my

915
00:53:14,164 --> 00:53:17,484
algo, but all I see is Muslims, Muslims, the Muslims,

916
00:53:17,484 --> 00:53:20,414
Islam, Sharia law and everyone else is dry, except for

917
00:53:20,414 --> 00:53:24,144
Tucker. He's still behind. He's behind the times. He's still

918
00:53:24,144 --> 00:53:29,234
wallowing away. And. And I got this clip from Judge

919
00:53:29,234 --> 00:53:35,274
Knapp Napolitano with, how is it, is it the... It's

920
00:53:35,274 --> 00:53:39,984
the Blumenthal kid, I think, moaning about the same thing.

921
00:53:40,044 --> 00:53:42,804
This was the decoy flight. Hey, everyone. Judging. I'm Ron

922
00:53:42,804 --> 00:53:47,164
Apollinano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Thursday, August 13,

923
00:53:47,164 --> 00:53:51,964
2026. Max Blumenthal joins us now. Max, a pleasure as

924
00:53:51,964 --> 00:53:57,584
always. Thank you for joining us today. Has Israel manipulated

925
00:53:57,584 --> 00:54:01,374
Donald Trump yet again? What is the back story on

926
00:54:01,374 --> 00:54:07,274
the so-called Israeli intelligence about the so-called Iranian plans to

927
00:54:07,274 --> 00:54:10,804
attack Air Force One? Well, if we look at this

928
00:54:10,804 --> 00:54:14,404
story, we can kind of see a microcosm of how

929
00:54:14,404 --> 00:54:18,644
the entire... War on Iran unfolded. This is why the

930
00:54:18,644 --> 00:54:23,754
U.S. is still imposing a protracted war on Iran right

931
00:54:23,754 --> 00:54:29,574
now, primarily an economic war, which is devastated. The global

932
00:54:29,574 --> 00:54:32,664
economy. And, you know, ask anyone in real estate in

933
00:54:32,664 --> 00:54:36,164
the United States about interest rates right now, and it

934
00:54:36,164 --> 00:54:38,414
goes directly back to this war. So why did this

935
00:54:38,414 --> 00:54:45,694
happen? It's because Israel manipulated a demented, intellectually unchallenged, intellectually

936
00:54:45,694 --> 00:54:52,294
challenged government. amoral, deeply corrupt president into waging this war

937
00:54:52,294 --> 00:54:56,524
over a period of years. So, okay, so Israel manipulated

938
00:54:56,524 --> 00:54:59,984
them into waging an economic war? Because that makes sense.

939
00:55:00,164 --> 00:55:03,584
So everyone is now finally talking in the mainstream media

940
00:55:03,584 --> 00:55:08,624
about this campaign of manipulation. Everyone knows now that Trump...

941
00:55:08,624 --> 00:55:13,324
was hidden in a food, kind of like a food

942
00:55:13,324 --> 00:55:17,104
cart sneaking out to a decoy flight in Ankara, Turkey

943
00:55:17,104 --> 00:55:21,554
around the NATO summit, which is like a scene out

944
00:55:21,554 --> 00:55:25,014
of one of these Leslie Nielsen naked gun movies. Ha

945
00:55:25,014 --> 00:55:28,934
ha ha! Can you imagine him like huddled in there,

946
00:55:28,934 --> 00:55:33,324
like sweating and, you know, orange sweat pouring off his

947
00:55:33,324 --> 00:55:37,584
face? Okay. Okay. You're behind, boys. That's what I'm imagining.

948
00:55:37,784 --> 00:55:38,924
Yeah, catch up with the narrative. And we know that's

949
00:55:38,924 --> 00:55:43,324
not what happened. But the memes were funny of Trump

950
00:55:43,324 --> 00:55:47,884
peeking out of the food cart. Those were pretty funny.

951
00:55:48,284 --> 00:55:51,884
But you know that's not how it happened. It reminded

952
00:55:51,884 --> 00:55:59,044
me of Def Leppard. uh, in, I don't know, 90,

953
00:56:00,144 --> 00:56:03,834
maybe 90 or 91. Def Leppard did a, a tour

954
00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:09,404
in the round. And, um, okay. MTV sent me out

955
00:56:09,404 --> 00:56:12,464
to go cover him in, um, And I want to

956
00:56:12,464 --> 00:56:15,044
say Atlanta, the Omni. I think that. Yeah, I think

957
00:56:15,044 --> 00:56:16,714
it was the Omni in Atlanta. I think so. I

958
00:56:16,714 --> 00:56:19,594
can't remember what it was. And they were in the

959
00:56:19,594 --> 00:56:23,514
round. So, you know, there's audience on all sides. And

960
00:56:23,514 --> 00:56:26,584
the way they got the band, you know, from, you

961
00:56:26,584 --> 00:56:31,204
know, the dressing room into, you know, underneath the stage.

962
00:56:31,424 --> 00:56:35,124
was in these big laundry carts. And so before the

963
00:56:35,124 --> 00:56:38,064
lights went down, you see these folks, you know, just

964
00:56:38,064 --> 00:56:40,684
push along these laundry carts and the guys got out.

965
00:56:40,784 --> 00:56:42,944
And that's kind of how I imagined this, the way

966
00:56:42,944 --> 00:56:45,424
the memes were working. It's like, yeah, I was just

967
00:56:45,424 --> 00:56:48,534
hiding them there. But the press is mad. That's what

968
00:56:48,534 --> 00:56:52,224
they did with David Lee Roth. Wow. Here's another story.

969
00:56:52,404 --> 00:56:56,404
In the Edom and Smile Tour, they get him from

970
00:56:56,404 --> 00:56:59,184
one side, from the stage to the back to ride

971
00:56:59,184 --> 00:57:02,064
the surfboard across the audience. He rides this giant surfboard.

972
00:57:02,164 --> 00:57:04,084
And that's how they had him in a road case.

973
00:57:04,584 --> 00:57:06,364
But it was a big road case. It probably had

974
00:57:06,364 --> 00:57:09,264
a seat in it. It probably had... some Jack Daniels

975
00:57:09,264 --> 00:57:12,204
and a fan and whatnot, and they pushed him over

976
00:57:12,204 --> 00:57:15,204
there, and then he floated across the crowd on a

977
00:57:15,204 --> 00:57:18,344
surfboard. And, of course, the press was mad. Well, Steve,

978
00:57:18,344 --> 00:57:21,024
I was playing an amazing solo. The press was mad

979
00:57:21,024 --> 00:57:24,434
because they were on the plane, and this is more

980
00:57:24,434 --> 00:57:28,384
midterm. Oh, yeah. Because he wanted Marco Rubio to die.

981
00:57:28,384 --> 00:57:31,604
Marco Rubio knowingly goes on the flight, which was supposedly

982
00:57:31,604 --> 00:57:35,394
going to be targeted by IRGC operatives with man pads,

983
00:57:35,394 --> 00:57:40,084
according to a certain tip the CIA received, along with

984
00:57:40,084 --> 00:57:45,944
– All the Trump staffers we know and disdain. And

985
00:57:45,944 --> 00:57:47,884
they are all going to be sent to their deaths

986
00:57:47,884 --> 00:57:51,154
according to this tip except for Donald Trump. And what's

987
00:57:51,154 --> 00:57:55,404
that woman, Natalie Harp, who escorts him everywhere, who's 35.

988
00:57:55,624 --> 00:57:57,504
He chose her to survive with him on his own.

989
00:57:57,504 --> 00:58:04,054
And he chose Hollywood Hegseth. And Pete Hegseth, yeah, because

990
00:58:04,054 --> 00:58:06,994
he's the ultimate yes man who apparently had just lied

991
00:58:06,994 --> 00:58:09,284
to him about munitions, but he still chose him to

992
00:58:09,284 --> 00:58:11,764
live. That's a good one. Hollywood Hegseth, got to keep

993
00:58:11,764 --> 00:58:17,324
it in there. Meanwhile, we hit $40 trillion in debt.

994
00:58:17,564 --> 00:58:21,784
This is a lot of money. Here's the headline report.

995
00:58:21,824 --> 00:58:25,454
What do we win? What's that? America. I said, what

996
00:58:25,454 --> 00:58:28,484
do we win? No, we win. We won. 40 trillion.

997
00:58:28,484 --> 00:58:31,474
Do we win anything? Fun prizes. America's debt is bigger

998
00:58:31,474 --> 00:58:34,744
than ever. The federal debt hit a record $40 trillion

999
00:58:34,744 --> 00:58:37,464
this week. And experts say it's not just the size

1000
00:58:37,464 --> 00:58:39,284
of the debt that we should be worrying about, but

1001
00:58:39,284 --> 00:58:42,284
the speed at which it's rising. The national debt rose

1002
00:58:42,284 --> 00:58:46,024
$1 trillion in just the past five months. The federal

1003
00:58:46,024 --> 00:58:50,124
government's spending continues to outpace the revenue it collects. How

1004
00:58:50,124 --> 00:58:52,514
do we get here? A big factor is that the

1005
00:58:52,514 --> 00:58:55,754
nation is aging. More people are retiring and senior citizens

1006
00:58:55,754 --> 00:58:58,544
are living longer. The government is spending more on Social

1007
00:58:58,544 --> 00:59:01,374
Security and Medicare, but there are fewer workers to support

1008
00:59:01,374 --> 00:59:05,884
those programs. Also, Congress has passed multiple packages that cut

1009
00:59:05,884 --> 00:59:09,544
taxes and increased spending over the last few decades. That

1010
00:59:09,544 --> 00:59:13,114
includes packages like the 1001, One Big Beautiful Bill Act

1011
00:59:13,114 --> 00:59:17,784
of 2025 and several COVID-19 pandemic relief bills. These measures

1012
00:59:17,784 --> 00:59:20,554
are projected to increase the federal debt by trillions of

1013
00:59:20,554 --> 00:59:23,724
dollars over time. As the US slips further into a

1014
00:59:23,724 --> 00:59:26,284
debt hole, the government could have a harder time funding

1015
00:59:26,284 --> 00:59:29,264
other priorities. The US is already spending more on interest

1016
00:59:29,264 --> 00:59:33,184
payments than national defense or children's programs. It could also

1017
00:59:33,184 --> 00:59:36,684
push up rates for mortgages, auto loans, and business borrowing,

1018
00:59:36,684 --> 00:59:41,224
making things tougher for consumers and businesses alike. So something

1019
00:59:41,224 --> 00:59:47,204
interesting happened yesterday. All of a sudden, the long-term interest

1020
00:59:47,204 --> 00:59:55,214
rates started coming down as the Treasury started purchasing... our

1021
00:59:55,214 --> 00:59:59,924
bonds. And this is... Right. Quantitative easing is what I

1022
00:59:59,924 --> 00:59:59,924
think.

1023
01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:03,950
They're calling it. No, it's not quantitative easing because quantitative

1024
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:06,520
easing, the way I understand it, is when you're buying

1025
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,970
securities in the market. This is this is buying the

1026
01:00:09,970 --> 01:00:12,920
debt. I think it may be called monetizing the debt.

1027
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,050
So, you know, I guess we have extra trillions in

1028
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:20,790
treasury. That have been building up. There's quite a lot

1029
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:23,530
of money that was built up. And now we're buying

1030
01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:28,180
that, buying the debt back, which lowers the yield. This

1031
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:32,980
bond stuff is complicated. But that is what mortgages and,

1032
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:36,850
you know, that is really what lowers interest on all

1033
01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:41,310
kinds of things. And the thing that's fun about it

1034
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:45,900
is anyone who's a Bitcoiner, holy moly, have you been

1035
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:50,310
following that? No, did it jump? Oh, yeah. It was

1036
01:00:50,310 --> 01:00:53,120
about $60,000 last time I looked at it. It was

1037
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:58,480
hovering for, gosh, about two months between $62,000 and $64,000.

1038
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,970
Right now, it's $72,500 almost. Look at that. Did Alex

1039
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:07,110
Jones ever find his $10,000 Bitcoin that Max Keiser gave

1040
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:16,230
him? You know, I remember when Max came, I remember

1041
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:18,140
when he came to the office and I think Bitcoin

1042
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:21,420
was $5. And he's like, you got to buy Bitcoin.

1043
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:24,020
You got to buy Bitcoin. This was like 2010 or

1044
01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:29,370
11. And I was buying silver. Which didn't quite have

1045
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:33,100
the power that Bitcoin had. But we searched for this

1046
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:37,190
mythical laptop, and we could never locate it. And I

1047
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:41,040
don't think it existed. I think there was a dinner,

1048
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,730
and there was talk of putting money or Bitcoin on

1049
01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:48,260
a laptop, and then it didn't happen. That's what I

1050
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:50,470
think. Because I wasn't on that trip. Had I been

1051
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:52,810
on that trip, I might have made it happen. I

1052
01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:55,580
could have saved everybody, but no. We could have been

1053
01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:58,560
living large, baby. We're left with nothing. I'll be hanging

1054
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,410
out at the mansion. Hanging out in the mansion. The

1055
01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:06,260
days of steak and plenty could have continued. So simultaneously,

1056
01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:10,899
to me, it felt coordinated that... There was a big

1057
01:02:10,899 --> 01:02:15,900
crypto announcement. I despise crypto, crypto, which to me is

1058
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:19,830
just there's Bitcoin, there's everything else. And the president came

1059
01:02:19,830 --> 01:02:22,720
out and he spoke. A lot of very good, very

1060
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,540
honorable financial people. On day one, we fired Joe Biden's

1061
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:29,670
rogue SEC chair, Gary Gensler. I think we like Paul

1062
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:32,240
better. Do we agree? We like Paul better. Number one,

1063
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:39,020
he's smarter. He's also smarter, by the way. But we

1064
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:41,340
fired him. We got him the hell out of here.

1065
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,260
We terminated the so-called Operation Choke Point 2-0, which is

1066
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:49,300
what the name of their operation was, weaponization. And we

1067
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:52,340
ended the war on crypto once and for all. And

1068
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:55,560
it's been booming. It's been doing big. And nobody's been

1069
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
able to break in. China would like to break in.

1070
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:23,030
They're still trying. Thank you. I also created the United

1071
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:27,890
States digital asset stockpile to hold custody of all other

1072
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:31,020
digital assets, and that's exactly what it's done. It's been

1073
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:35,770
amazing. One year ago, this summer I signed landmark legislation

1074
01:03:35,770 --> 01:03:38,900
known as the Genius Act. I named it after myself.

1075
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,810
I didn't want anyone to. I didn't want to use

1076
01:03:41,810 --> 01:03:44,700
my name, so I just called the Genius Act. Paving

1077
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,740
the way for widespread adoption of dollar-backed stablecoins. And that's

1078
01:03:49,740 --> 01:03:53,790
worked out very well. Yeah, the stablecoins, that's still a

1079
01:03:53,790 --> 01:03:58,090
big deal. People don't want to listen, but that's how

1080
01:03:58,090 --> 01:04:03,270
we're. the reserve currency of the world. You can go

1081
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:06,120
on Shopify and they'll take stable coins. No one in

1082
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,820
America has them. But I think there's 300 million people

1083
01:04:09,820 --> 01:04:14,310
using them around the world, including Iran. Thank you. Thank

1084
01:04:14,310 --> 01:04:18,950
you. Yeah, I just want to say that what Chairman

1085
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:21,480
Selleck and Chairman Atkins are doing, and the President has

1086
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,600
enabled with his leadership, is actually working. So if you

1087
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,530
look at stablecoin usage and adoption, it's increasing the usage

1088
01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:32,250
and distribution of the U.S. dollar at higher and higher

1089
01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:35,670
levels than our industry has ever seen, specifically because of

1090
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:38,380
the Genius Act and the U.S. dollar. and the movement

1091
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:40,800
of more and more treasuries into stable coins and therefore

1092
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,680
into more and more hands across the world. And now

1093
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,470
the tokenization of equities, thanks to Chairman Selig's and Chairman

1094
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:51,000
Atkins' great work and collaboration and actual, you know, work

1095
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,240
together rather than working against each other as before, is

1096
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,010
going to distribute U.S. equities globally and increase the distribution

1097
01:04:57,010 --> 01:05:00,060
of those. So, you know. We power a lot of

1098
01:05:00,060 --> 01:05:03,900
these applications and companies so we know what the numbers

1099
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:07,120
actually are, and they're massively increasing because we have regulators

1100
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,670
and leadership that enables the success and distribution of these

1101
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:15,900
U.S.-based assets. So there's actually a very real and tangible

1102
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:20,310
outcome that's really now benefiting the U.S., And adoption of

1103
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:24,150
U.S. issued assets and the U.S. dollar. So I just

1104
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:27,250
want to mention that it really is working and hitting

1105
01:05:27,250 --> 01:05:30,500
all-time highs. So thank you very much. I don't know

1106
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:33,870
how stable coin can hit all-time highs. It's equal to

1107
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:37,640
a dollar. But okay. So during this conference, then all

1108
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,380
of a sudden – go ahead, Rob. Well, I'm looking

1109
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:45,970
at CoinDesk now, and they're saying Mark Connors is an

1110
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:48,720
analyst, and he's saying this is the start of Bitcoin

1111
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,950
going up to $180,000, and then cycling through 2030, he's

1112
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:55,760
saying $180,000 to $360,000, which is just like – out

1113
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,590
of this world if you are holding Bitcoin or if

1114
01:05:59,590 --> 01:06:01,900
you had it on a laptop given to you by

1115
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:05,040
Max Keiser many years ago, which unfortunately no one has.

1116
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,630
So the president pivoted at a certain point and it

1117
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:14,790
went to AI. And I've really been interested in first

1118
01:06:14,790 --> 01:06:18,790
the – I mean, I understand why people are against

1119
01:06:18,790 --> 01:06:21,790
AI, people who are coming. I mean, all we've heard

1120
01:06:21,790 --> 01:06:27,240
from the marketing arm of these so-called frontier model companies,

1121
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,900
OpenAI and Anthropic and, I guess, to an extent, Google.

1122
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:34,660
is, well, you're not going to have a job. You

1123
01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:38,180
don't, you know, it's all over. You forget about it.

1124
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,300
So, you know, graduating kids are booing the commencement speaker.

1125
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:47,100
Data centers are somehow in some odd way. People have

1126
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:51,660
connected this to flock cameras, which are obviously no good.

1127
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:56,240
Yeah. And I hear constantly, well, you know, this is

1128
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,360
the data centers that are going to store all of

1129
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,140
our information, the surveillance state. I'm not going to say

1130
01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:04,580
the surveillance state. That's on your Instagram. But okay. So

1131
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:08,120
these data centers have become a real problem. Two reasons.

1132
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,200
Three reasons. One, farmland is being sold. One, farmland is

1133
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,450
being sold. turned into massive data center structures. People think

1134
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:20,180
that it's taking lots of water. I don't believe that.

1135
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,980
I think they're pretty much closed systems. They're not draining

1136
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:27,580
reservoirs. The electricity is interesting, though. But anyway, this came

1137
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:32,960
up in this crypto announcement. Yes, please. Hi, President Trump.

1138
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,600
I have two quick questions. Go ahead. Don't get around

1139
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,670
here much. So my first question is, we're talking about

1140
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:39,750
AI and crypto a lot, and you won overwhelmingly with

1141
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:42,610
working class Americans in 2024, tens of millions of working

1142
01:07:42,610 --> 01:07:45,560
class Americans. Many of them, they say, we love President

1143
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,190
Trump, but we're still cautious about AI and crypto. What

1144
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:51,560
do you say to those who are still reticent to

1145
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,780
embrace this evolution? So I think it's a great question,

1146
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:55,120
and I think it's going to create a lot of

1147
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,080
jobs. Not a great question. It's going to create success.

1148
01:07:57,340 --> 01:08:00,710
It's going to create tremendous innovation medically. I mean, they're

1149
01:08:00,710 --> 01:08:03,890
coming up with already, amazingly, they came up with something

1150
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:05,960
today that I looked at, and having to do, I

1151
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,120
won't go into the details, but having to do it

1152
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,880
with a pretty unstoppable disease and all of a sudden

1153
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,490
they're coming up with answers that they never thought were

1154
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:15,890
possible and things that they never even would have thought

1155
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:19,200
about. So I think it's really creating jobs. And I

1156
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,800
can tell you one thing. If you look at our

1157
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,380
construction jobs right now, because we're building more plants, factories,

1158
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:28,380
things that really have something to do with the A.I.,

1159
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:32,380
but also car factories, car plants, they're moving into our

1160
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:36,040
country. Honda just announced, Toyota just announced they're moving their

1161
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,610
operations from Mexico, from Canada, from other places. We, by

1162
01:08:39,610 --> 01:08:42,080
the way, probably have a deal with Canada. You probably

1163
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,820
saw that. Very major tariffs were going on to Canada

1164
01:08:46,820 --> 01:08:48,820
today. We delayed it for three days because I think

1165
01:08:48,820 --> 01:08:50,920
we have a deal with the prime minister and a

1166
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,270
good deal for everybody. So that's good. But the construction

1167
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:57,330
jobs are enormous. We're building the biggest plants anywhere in

1168
01:08:57,330 --> 01:08:59,090
the world. And I can say if I were the

1169
01:08:59,090 --> 01:09:01,800
mayor of a town or the governor of a state...

1170
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:03,990
and I had a chance to get a big plant

1171
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:06,370
in, an AI plant or a data center, I would

1172
01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:09,520
absolutely want it because the jobs are enormous and the

1173
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,730
money paid, the taxes paid are just enormous. And if

1174
01:09:13,730 --> 01:09:15,440
you don't take it, you're going to be left behind

1175
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:17,740
because there are plenty of places that want it. So

1176
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:19,830
I would say that maybe it can use a little

1177
01:09:19,830 --> 01:09:23,060
public relations help. But if I were a governor or

1178
01:09:23,060 --> 01:09:25,870
mayor, I would want that plant in my house. And

1179
01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:28,380
many of them are designed in a very beautiful way.

1180
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:30,980
It's really very positive. Okay, thank you. I agree with

1181
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:34,110
what the president is saying, but not for the same

1182
01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:38,140
reasons or maybe similar reasons. First of all, the amount

1183
01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:41,970
of money that has gone into building data centers, which

1184
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:45,810
won't be completed for at least another three years. It

1185
01:09:45,810 --> 01:09:50,350
is an enormous transfer of wealth from Wall Street and

1186
01:09:50,350 --> 01:09:55,660
hedge funds and just big pools of money, I think,

1187
01:09:55,660 --> 01:09:59,980
directly to the people if they would stop complaining.

1188
01:10:00,072 --> 01:10:03,372
about it i mean there's so much and these things

1189
01:10:03,372 --> 01:10:05,372
are going to be empty they're not going to work

1190
01:10:05,372 --> 01:10:07,762
they're never going to most of them won't be turned

1191
01:10:07,762 --> 01:10:09,652
on i can you can just see it there's no

1192
01:10:09,652 --> 01:10:12,792
power for it it's absolutely not enough power to even

1193
01:10:12,792 --> 01:10:17,212
a lot of graphics cards available though I can't wait

1194
01:10:17,212 --> 01:10:22,932
for that moment when all the NVIDIA cards become available.

1195
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:25,262
But there's just no way that these are going to

1196
01:10:25,262 --> 01:10:28,792
be turned on. So if you've got a $100 million,

1197
01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:34,002
$200 million data center being built, take the money. Get

1198
01:10:34,002 --> 01:10:42,492
your kids to electricians. construction workers, they have an enormous

1199
01:10:42,492 --> 01:10:45,462
shortage. Take the money now that's at least good for

1200
01:10:45,462 --> 01:10:49,432
two, three years. Just take it now because nothing else

1201
01:10:49,432 --> 01:10:53,532
is going to come from it. And I got the...

1202
01:10:53,802 --> 01:10:57,532
Right. It's like most things. It's a boondoggle as you

1203
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:02,052
go into it. They over-promise, under-deliver, and then you're going

1204
01:11:02,052 --> 01:11:05,302
to be left with these giant air-conditioned rooms that are

1205
01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:08,102
going to be kind of running at half speed because

1206
01:11:08,102 --> 01:11:10,942
there's just not – there's so many of them built,

1207
01:11:10,942 --> 01:11:16,512
there's just not enough data for them. Unless this tokenization

1208
01:11:16,512 --> 01:11:18,812
that they keep talking about, how they're going to tokenize

1209
01:11:18,812 --> 01:11:21,342
everything. Maybe that's what these data centers – they're not

1210
01:11:21,342 --> 01:11:25,282
for flat cameras. They're actually to track everything that BlackRock's

1211
01:11:25,282 --> 01:11:27,882
talking about. Oh, we're going to tokenize the water. We're

1212
01:11:27,882 --> 01:11:30,782
going to tokenize the trees. They want to – and

1213
01:11:30,782 --> 01:11:32,842
that – In that sense, you could see the data

1214
01:11:32,842 --> 01:11:35,932
centers being used as a tracking mechanism, but it's not

1215
01:11:35,932 --> 01:11:39,792
necessarily tracking people. It's tracking everything in the world. You

1216
01:11:39,792 --> 01:11:42,842
know, every leaf on the tree, so to speak. Well,

1217
01:11:42,842 --> 01:11:47,952
maybe. I think it'll be great for Bitcoin mining and

1218
01:11:47,952 --> 01:11:50,922
gyms. I think there'll be lots of nice gyms that

1219
01:11:50,922 --> 01:11:53,922
we'll have. And this is happening in Texas at an

1220
01:11:53,922 --> 01:11:58,792
incredible scale. And I found this interview. with the chairman

1221
01:11:58,792 --> 01:12:01,412
of the energy committee here in Texas. He's a good

1222
01:12:01,412 --> 01:12:05,652
old boy, but he had some really interesting insights into

1223
01:12:05,652 --> 01:12:08,692
exactly what's going on with these data centers in Texas

1224
01:12:08,692 --> 01:12:11,472
and about the power. So if you have any questions.

1225
01:12:11,472 --> 01:12:14,232
No, I'm sorry. That's not it. Where is it? This

1226
01:12:14,232 --> 01:12:16,472
is the guy. Here we go. So it's a big

1227
01:12:16,472 --> 01:12:19,562
committee. It's a big job. But on the data center

1228
01:12:19,562 --> 01:12:22,232
front, I can tell you this. When I got named

1229
01:12:22,232 --> 01:12:25,802
chair of state affairs, I, of course, met with public

1230
01:12:25,802 --> 01:12:30,952
utility commission in ERCOT. And, you know, ERCOT is the

1231
01:12:30,952 --> 01:12:35,132
managing body of the state grid. Everyone needs to understand

1232
01:12:35,132 --> 01:12:38,002
ERCOT is like an exchange, like a stock exchange for

1233
01:12:38,002 --> 01:12:42,312
power. Texas has its own grid, and so that's where...

1234
01:12:42,432 --> 01:12:45,512
People buy and sell futures on power. They go to

1235
01:12:45,512 --> 01:12:49,502
get power immediately. That's another thing we stopped. We stopped

1236
01:12:49,502 --> 01:12:52,062
talking about the big energy storage systems. That used to

1237
01:12:52,062 --> 01:12:55,102
be another political thing. That's gone away. What about those

1238
01:12:55,102 --> 01:12:58,482
military-age men from China? Are they still here with their

1239
01:12:58,482 --> 01:13:02,252
sleeper cells? So... Well, and also we used to talk

1240
01:13:02,252 --> 01:13:04,032
about how bad it was that Texas had its own

1241
01:13:04,032 --> 01:13:06,172
power system. Remember that? Oh, yeah. How could they have

1242
01:13:06,172 --> 01:13:08,462
their own power system? We're no good. And it's like,

1243
01:13:08,462 --> 01:13:10,732
well, our power system is – yeah, and it's like

1244
01:13:10,732 --> 01:13:14,262
ours works. And you look up, what, northern Indiana or

1245
01:13:14,262 --> 01:13:17,472
Illinois. Yeah. They – 12 days and they still don't

1246
01:13:17,472 --> 01:13:19,452
have power from storms. Tell me about it. I got

1247
01:13:19,452 --> 01:13:22,452
family there who've been, I think they're getting power tomorrow

1248
01:13:22,452 --> 01:13:26,412
maybe. Yeah, it's been really bad. It's ridiculous. We're outside

1249
01:13:26,412 --> 01:13:29,062
of our cot over here. Most of my district is

1250
01:13:29,062 --> 01:13:32,632
outside of our cot. We were carved out when utilities

1251
01:13:32,632 --> 01:13:37,902
deregulated in the 90s. The legislature carved out. Part of

1252
01:13:37,902 --> 01:13:41,102
Southeast Texas and the Texas Panhandle. Okay. Which I'm going

1253
01:13:41,102 --> 01:13:42,662
to that and why that's a good thing in a

1254
01:13:42,662 --> 01:13:48,652
minute. But the utility commission told me in – February

1255
01:13:48,652 --> 01:13:52,792
of 25, that Texas needs to be prepared for 10

1256
01:13:52,792 --> 01:13:56,402
additional gigawatts of power to come onto the grid in

1257
01:13:56,402 --> 01:13:59,482
the next five years. Wow. This is a massive amount

1258
01:13:59,482 --> 01:14:03,792
of electricity. Yeah. The only problem is... We don't even

1259
01:14:03,792 --> 01:14:07,412
have the power lines to handle 10 extra gigawatts. And

1260
01:14:07,412 --> 01:14:10,892
now this guy explains what the data centers are actually

1261
01:14:10,892 --> 01:14:13,902
after. But honestly, why are they coming here? Why is

1262
01:14:13,902 --> 01:14:17,432
there a multibillion-dollar facility going in right down the road

1263
01:14:17,432 --> 01:14:21,872
in Turkey? It's stranded power. So back in the 90s

1264
01:14:21,872 --> 01:14:26,362
when... We started getting wind farms and solar, and you

1265
01:14:26,362 --> 01:14:29,892
see these 345 KV lines, they call them the KREZ

1266
01:14:29,892 --> 01:14:33,882
lines, were put in. Those were developed to put power

1267
01:14:33,882 --> 01:14:39,212
to the Metroplex. So these data centers, what they're hunting

1268
01:14:39,212 --> 01:14:42,432
is stranded power. So we're outside of ERCOT. We're in

1269
01:14:42,432 --> 01:14:45,722
the Southwest Power Pool. That power is being sold into

1270
01:14:45,722 --> 01:14:52,272
ERCOT. But where there's congestion between ERCOT, because those lines

1271
01:14:52,272 --> 01:14:56,732
are full, so it causes congestion. So there's congestion. And

1272
01:14:56,732 --> 01:15:01,122
millions and millions of megawatts of power that just evaporates

1273
01:15:01,122 --> 01:15:04,862
into the atmosphere every day. When he says millions of

1274
01:15:04,862 --> 01:15:08,632
megawatts of power, he's talking about – That wasn't evaporating.

1275
01:15:08,772 --> 01:15:12,182
Well, he's talking about windmills that are spinning that can't

1276
01:15:12,182 --> 01:15:15,312
get rid of their energy, solar farms. That's the main

1277
01:15:15,312 --> 01:15:18,952
– well, West Texas, mainly wind. And so they have

1278
01:15:18,952 --> 01:15:22,452
enough power. There's too much. They can't get it through

1279
01:15:22,452 --> 01:15:25,212
the lines. Every year. And so these data centers are

1280
01:15:25,212 --> 01:15:28,682
hunting that stranded power. So whether you're a data center

1281
01:15:28,682 --> 01:15:32,682
developer or you're a hyperscaler, that's what they're hunting because

1282
01:15:32,682 --> 01:15:36,172
Google can – They can solve a water issue. They

1283
01:15:36,172 --> 01:15:38,452
can spend any amount of money they want. What they

1284
01:15:38,452 --> 01:15:42,532
can't recreate is the grid and that stranded power. So

1285
01:15:42,532 --> 01:15:45,752
that is the driving force of why a data center

1286
01:15:45,752 --> 01:15:50,112
builds when it builds. The other factors that come in.

1287
01:15:50,262 --> 01:15:55,002
Typically, land's cheaper up here. It's relatively flat. And thank

1288
01:15:55,002 --> 01:15:58,642
you, Sir Bemrose. Yes, I meant thousands of megawatts, not

1289
01:15:58,642 --> 01:16:02,232
millions. That would be a little much. But really, it's

1290
01:16:02,232 --> 01:16:06,802
into the 500,000 megawatts, gigawatts even. This is insane what

1291
01:16:06,802 --> 01:16:09,652
they're trying to do. You know, I said that a

1292
01:16:09,652 --> 01:16:13,832
year ago they... The the bureaucracy told me that Texas

1293
01:16:13,832 --> 01:16:17,902
needed was going to have 10 more gigawatts. Well, just

1294
01:16:17,902 --> 01:16:20,252
in the golden spread triangle up here, you know, I

1295
01:16:20,252 --> 01:16:23,712
represent more co-ops than any member of the legislature. Just

1296
01:16:23,712 --> 01:16:28,212
in golden spread alone, there's 48 proposed gigawatts of new

1297
01:16:28,212 --> 01:16:31,892
power just for data centers. Trying to get built out

1298
01:16:31,892 --> 01:16:36,632
here. Statewide, we have almost 500. Now, they told me

1299
01:16:36,632 --> 01:16:38,742
10. A year and a half ago. Yeah. We have

1300
01:16:38,742 --> 01:16:44,672
almost 500 proposed new gigawatts of power. Now, number one,

1301
01:16:44,672 --> 01:16:49,312
the reality of this is... Pipe dream. I told you,

1302
01:16:49,312 --> 01:16:53,652
all these developers are hunting that ERCOT interconnect. Mm-hmm. Well,

1303
01:16:53,652 --> 01:16:57,072
there's not enough capacity in ERCOT for all that to

1304
01:16:57,072 --> 01:17:00,442
be built out. I passed a bill last session called

1305
01:17:00,442 --> 01:17:03,792
Senate Bill 6 that was designed to kind of slow

1306
01:17:03,792 --> 01:17:06,742
this down. And it has, in one way it has,

1307
01:17:06,742 --> 01:17:13,722
because everybody that's applying for And ERCOT Interconnect had to

1308
01:17:13,722 --> 01:17:18,112
go back through what PUC calls batch, this batch study.

1309
01:17:18,732 --> 01:17:20,692
And everybody that thought they were going to get an

1310
01:17:20,692 --> 01:17:24,262
Interconnect this year is still being studied. So that begs

1311
01:17:24,262 --> 01:17:28,912
the question, why are they building them? Even the one

1312
01:17:28,912 --> 01:17:31,082
in Turkey, now they've got a plan to get an

1313
01:17:31,082 --> 01:17:36,872
interconnect and get whatever amount of power they've applied for,

1314
01:17:36,872 --> 01:17:39,822
but they don't know that they're getting it. So why

1315
01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:43,842
are they building these things? Why? Well, whoever gets Interconnect

1316
01:17:43,842 --> 01:17:46,612
is going to make billions of dollars, and there's only

1317
01:17:46,612 --> 01:17:50,382
like 12 or 15 customers. And it's people like Google,

1318
01:17:50,382 --> 01:17:55,782
Amazon, Oracle, Meta, OpenAI, the hyperscalers. They're not going to

1319
01:17:55,782 --> 01:17:59,412
these guys and going, we're signing a contract, and you're

1320
01:17:59,412 --> 01:18:02,372
going to be our... We're going to rent the data

1321
01:18:02,372 --> 01:18:06,272
center space from you. They're telling everybody, you get the

1322
01:18:06,272 --> 01:18:09,012
interconnect and the power, we're your customers. Yeah, we're here.

1323
01:18:09,012 --> 01:18:13,472
So, you know, I don't think most people in the

1324
01:18:13,472 --> 01:18:20,492
state legislature believe more than about 15 percent. of what's

1325
01:18:20,492 --> 01:18:24,872
being proposed actually gets built out. Exactly. Take the money.

1326
01:18:25,432 --> 01:18:29,702
Take the money. Go for it. Even Abbott's like, oh,

1327
01:18:29,702 --> 01:18:33,352
yeah, we got to slow this down. Because politically, back

1328
01:18:33,352 --> 01:18:36,412
to the midterms. I don't think they have the workforce

1329
01:18:36,412 --> 01:18:38,792
to make this stuff. You know, to get all these

1330
01:18:38,792 --> 01:18:41,642
things made. There's no way. And you're like, where's Turkey,

1331
01:18:41,642 --> 01:18:46,032
Texas? You know, it's between Amarillo, Lubbock, and Wichita Falls.

1332
01:18:46,212 --> 01:18:49,552
That is literally the middle of nowhere. True. You know,

1333
01:18:49,552 --> 01:18:51,852
so you've got to get people out there. You know,

1334
01:18:51,852 --> 01:18:54,402
that – And that's what you saw up in North

1335
01:18:54,402 --> 01:18:56,632
Dakota and South Dakota. When they bring these people in,

1336
01:18:56,632 --> 01:18:59,952
they make a little city and bring these people in

1337
01:18:59,952 --> 01:19:01,642
to build these things. But you've got to have all

1338
01:19:01,642 --> 01:19:04,082
kinds of infrastructure just for the workers. Well, there you

1339
01:19:04,082 --> 01:19:06,632
go. But isn't this just like the oil boom? We

1340
01:19:06,632 --> 01:19:10,042
had all of Midland. It was dead. And then all

1341
01:19:10,042 --> 01:19:12,082
of a sudden it pops up. Lots of money to

1342
01:19:12,082 --> 01:19:14,312
be made. Take it from those guys. Guys, take it

1343
01:19:14,312 --> 01:19:18,452
from Wall Street. Stop being stupid about it. It's free

1344
01:19:18,452 --> 01:19:22,122
money, I'm telling you. Take it now. Take it from

1345
01:19:22,122 --> 01:19:26,312
Google. Take it from OpenAI. Take it from BlackRock. This

1346
01:19:26,312 --> 01:19:29,312
is literally the way you can take money from BlackRock.

1347
01:19:29,632 --> 01:19:32,532
Your kids can take it from BlackRock. Just my opinion.

1348
01:19:33,132 --> 01:19:36,642
But, of course... This is Politicize for the Midterms. Several

1349
01:19:36,642 --> 01:19:39,072
issues are driving voters to the polls in today's primary

1350
01:19:39,072 --> 01:19:43,252
elections. Among them, the growing dominance of artificial intelligence. A

1351
01:19:43,252 --> 01:19:46,962
new piece from the Washington Post analyzes how congressional and

1352
01:19:46,962 --> 01:19:50,662
gubernatorial candidates nationwide are addressing this issue and responding to

1353
01:19:50,662 --> 01:19:54,242
voters' concerns about AI's impact on the economy, national security,

1354
01:19:54,242 --> 01:19:58,442
and more. One of the article's authors, Shira Ovaday, joins

1355
01:19:58,442 --> 01:19:59,992
us now. She's a technology reporter.

1356
01:20:00,084 --> 01:20:02,924
for the Washington Post. So I find this really interesting.

1357
01:20:03,044 --> 01:20:05,594
This is becoming more of a flashpoint, especially as we

1358
01:20:05,594 --> 01:20:08,664
are heading into these midterm elections. So you found that

1359
01:20:08,664 --> 01:20:12,084
candidates in 45 states have made AI part of their

1360
01:20:12,084 --> 01:20:16,374
campaigns. What in particular are you finding that voters are

1361
01:20:16,374 --> 01:20:21,104
concerned about? I mean, by far the hottest topic related

1362
01:20:21,104 --> 01:20:25,484
to AI in the midterm elections are data centers, right?

1363
01:20:25,544 --> 01:20:29,064
These big hulking computer complexes that are sprouting up all

1364
01:20:29,064 --> 01:20:33,644
over the country to run AI calculations. And they've basically

1365
01:20:33,644 --> 01:20:38,104
generated backlash everywhere they go, including in blue and red

1366
01:20:38,104 --> 01:20:43,294
parts of the country. So it is interesting because we've

1367
01:20:43,294 --> 01:20:46,854
long talked about AI and we've talked about data centers

1368
01:20:46,854 --> 01:20:49,814
and what I find kind of Interesting, Shira, is that

1369
01:20:49,814 --> 01:20:53,164
it seems to be a bipartisan issue. Both Republicans and

1370
01:20:53,164 --> 01:20:57,154
Democrats are coming out and talking about the negative, the

1371
01:20:57,154 --> 01:21:00,414
negativity surrounding these AI data centers. But how does the

1372
01:21:00,414 --> 01:21:04,724
messaging differ from party to party? I think that the...

1373
01:21:04,814 --> 01:21:07,754
So there's two takeaways from our piece. One is that

1374
01:21:07,754 --> 01:21:12,114
there isn't kind of hard party lines quite yet related

1375
01:21:12,114 --> 01:21:14,444
to AI, the way that there are about lots of

1376
01:21:14,444 --> 01:21:19,964
national issues like abortion and immigration and gun violence. All

1377
01:21:19,964 --> 01:21:23,334
of our favorite issues. That if you look at parties

1378
01:21:23,334 --> 01:21:27,914
and candidates talking about AI, There's not really a Democratic

1379
01:21:27,914 --> 01:21:30,944
position and a Republican position on AI. It's a little

1380
01:21:30,944 --> 01:21:33,154
bit all over the place. And the second thing that

1381
01:21:33,154 --> 01:21:36,744
I'll mention from our analysis is that Democrats in general

1382
01:21:36,744 --> 01:21:40,274
are far more likely to talk about AI as part

1383
01:21:40,274 --> 01:21:44,404
of their campaign issues platforms than, than Republicans are. And

1384
01:21:44,404 --> 01:21:46,384
you can come up with all kinds of theories about

1385
01:21:46,384 --> 01:21:49,744
this. I think maybe one working theory is that Democrats

1386
01:21:49,744 --> 01:21:53,544
simply propose more government policies, right? It's the nature of

1387
01:21:53,544 --> 01:21:56,504
the party to have more government involvement. And so AI

1388
01:21:56,504 --> 01:22:00,224
is part of that too. Going back to the data

1389
01:22:00,224 --> 01:22:04,184
center point, your analysis found the data centers account for

1390
01:22:04,184 --> 01:22:07,784
the largest share of AI policies mentioned on campaign websites.

1391
01:22:08,204 --> 01:22:12,814
How does the attention to them in a campaign compared

1392
01:22:12,814 --> 01:22:15,704
to their actual presence in the U.S.? You know, we

1393
01:22:15,704 --> 01:22:18,074
hear all the time about they're building, they're building, this

1394
01:22:18,074 --> 01:22:21,024
company's investing, but sort of what's that split right now?

1395
01:22:21,324 --> 01:22:24,064
Yeah, I think that's a really interesting question. I'm not

1396
01:22:24,064 --> 01:22:28,434
sure how to assess that analytically. Yeah, okay. Because you

1397
01:22:28,434 --> 01:22:34,624
don't know. Be quiet. Meanwhile, to psyop people even more,

1398
01:22:34,624 --> 01:22:39,374
we now have ChatGPT for teens. Do your kids have

1399
01:22:39,374 --> 01:22:41,664
it yet, Rob? Did you give your kids ChatGPT for

1400
01:22:41,664 --> 01:22:48,624
teens? Yeah. You know, I know they've used different AIs,

1401
01:22:48,624 --> 01:22:55,084
but mainly... But... Is that the one? Yeah. From Anthropoc.

1402
01:22:55,084 --> 01:22:56,524
I don't even know what they all are, but I

1403
01:22:56,524 --> 01:22:58,824
do have an AI clip, though. Oh, okay. Sure, sure,

1404
01:22:58,824 --> 01:23:02,004
sure. But, yeah, that's interesting. Chad GPT for teens. Well,

1405
01:23:02,004 --> 01:23:03,844
let me play. So this will tell you not. Will

1406
01:23:03,844 --> 01:23:06,314
it show you the how to kill yourself quickly? Is

1407
01:23:06,314 --> 01:23:08,534
that what it's there for? I'll give you the clips,

1408
01:23:08,534 --> 01:23:11,864
then we'll play yours. Many teenagers use artificial intelligence not

1409
01:23:11,864 --> 01:23:16,604
just for homework but for companionship. Many parents worry AI

1410
01:23:16,604 --> 01:23:20,254
could harm their kids' learning and their mental health. Now,

1411
01:23:20,254 --> 01:23:23,124
OpenAI has a new version of its chatbot that it

1412
01:23:23,124 --> 01:23:26,264
says addresses some of those concerns and gives parents more

1413
01:23:26,264 --> 01:23:31,504
control. It's called ChatGPT for Teens. We've called Ashley Kiput.

1414
01:23:31,504 --> 01:23:34,124
It's like Malibu Barbie. To learn more about this. She's

1415
01:23:34,124 --> 01:23:37,994
a reporter who covers artificial intelligence for CNBC.com. Ashley, good

1416
01:23:37,994 --> 01:23:40,294
morning. Now, listen to this woman and tell me she's

1417
01:23:40,294 --> 01:23:44,464
not online. a paid promoter for open AI. Good morning.

1418
01:23:44,584 --> 01:23:47,374
Thank you for having me. How is chat GPT for

1419
01:23:47,374 --> 01:23:52,144
teens different than regular chat GPT? That's a great question.

1420
01:23:52,384 --> 01:23:55,244
No, no, there's no such thing as a great question,

1421
01:23:55,404 --> 01:23:59,064
but okay, we'll leave it. That's a great question. So

1422
01:23:59,064 --> 01:24:02,764
ChatGPT for teens is a dedicated chatbot experience for users

1423
01:24:02,764 --> 01:24:06,004
under... There it is, right there. It's a dedicated chatbot

1424
01:24:06,004 --> 01:24:11,464
experience. When you're talking about experience... Your PR, not in

1425
01:24:11,464 --> 01:24:15,484
journalism. And so ChatGPT for teens is a dedicated chatbot

1426
01:24:15,484 --> 01:24:18,534
experience for users under 18 years old. So it builds

1427
01:24:18,534 --> 01:24:21,124
on a lot of the features OpenAI has been introducing

1428
01:24:21,124 --> 01:24:23,854
over the last year after the company has faced a

1429
01:24:23,854 --> 01:24:27,184
number of lawsuits and government inquiries over its safety practices.

1430
01:24:27,784 --> 01:24:30,294
So basically what this means in practice is that users

1431
01:24:30,294 --> 01:24:46,244
between And now as I listen to this interview, something

1432
01:24:46,244 --> 01:24:49,214
glaring pops up. How is the company going to know

1433
01:24:49,214 --> 01:24:51,744
if people are in that age range? That is another

1434
01:24:51,744 --> 01:24:56,024
great question. No, no, no. That's not a great question.

1435
01:24:57,224 --> 01:24:59,124
That is another great question, and there are a couple

1436
01:24:59,124 --> 01:25:01,944
ways this happens. So the first is the most obvious.

1437
01:25:02,304 --> 01:25:04,664
When you sign up to create a ChatGPT account, you

1438
01:25:04,664 --> 01:25:07,194
have to input your full name and age. So again,

1439
01:25:07,194 --> 01:25:10,564
users under 18 will automatically be placed into the ChatGPT

1440
01:25:10,564 --> 01:25:13,604
for teens experience. But people often lie about their age.

1441
01:25:13,964 --> 01:25:16,914
Right, exactly. So if a kid tries to circumvent that

1442
01:25:16,914 --> 01:25:37,734
and claims to be old, Thank you. Very interesting. So

1443
01:25:37,734 --> 01:25:40,944
let's say a teenager goes to chat GPT for teens.

1444
01:25:40,964 --> 01:25:43,274
What are the other indicators? That's what I want to

1445
01:25:43,274 --> 01:25:46,924
know. Well, my point is this is the most powerful

1446
01:25:46,924 --> 01:25:51,154
technology the earth has ever known, but yet it's still

1447
01:25:51,154 --> 01:25:55,234
kind of having trouble figuring out if you're a teenager

1448
01:25:55,234 --> 01:26:00,144
or not. Isn't this smart? I mean, we have options.

1449
01:26:00,144 --> 01:26:03,184
We have fallback plans. Now, ultimately, you need a digital

1450
01:26:03,184 --> 01:26:05,694
ID, and that's where this is all going. My term

1451
01:26:05,694 --> 01:26:08,544
paper. What's going to happen? Is it different than what

1452
01:26:08,544 --> 01:26:11,824
ChatGPT would do? Because ChatGPT might write the term paper.

1453
01:26:11,844 --> 01:26:14,734
Yes. So there are a number of educational features in

1454
01:26:14,734 --> 01:26:19,634
this experience. Educational features in this experience, native ed. And

1455
01:26:19,634 --> 01:26:23,484
one of them is called... And responsible homework reminders. So

1456
01:26:23,484 --> 01:26:29,424
if a child is kind. Responsible homework reminders. It's time

1457
01:26:29,424 --> 01:26:33,074
to cheat on your homework. Get ready. Take a shortcut

1458
01:26:33,074 --> 01:26:36,304
quickly to get to an answer. ChatTBT for teens can

1459
01:26:36,304 --> 01:26:39,364
show them and redirect them to a mode called study

1460
01:26:39,364 --> 01:26:42,724
mode, which aims to help. Students work through problems step

1461
01:26:42,724 --> 01:26:46,214
by step instead of arriving at an answer immediately. And

1462
01:26:46,214 --> 01:26:49,474
then the big question, will it recommend horrible things to

1463
01:26:49,474 --> 01:26:51,854
you? We also know there are a lot of examples

1464
01:26:51,854 --> 01:26:54,264
where people get chatbots to tell them things they're not

1465
01:26:54,264 --> 01:26:56,034
supposed to do or to encourage them to do things

1466
01:26:56,034 --> 01:26:58,484
that are not healthy. Like killing yourself. So let's say

1467
01:26:58,484 --> 01:27:00,744
a teenager goes to chat GPT routines and says, find

1468
01:27:00,744 --> 01:27:02,864
me a liquor store where I can buy alcohol without

1469
01:27:02,864 --> 01:27:06,684
showing a driver's license. Oh, thank you. This is a

1470
01:27:06,684 --> 01:27:08,824
good show. Find me a liquor store where I can

1471
01:27:08,824 --> 01:27:11,624
get liquor without showing my license or ID. This is

1472
01:27:11,624 --> 01:27:13,914
a liquor store where I can buy alcohol without showing

1473
01:27:13,914 --> 01:27:18,224
a driver's license. Is there are there limitations there? Yes.

1474
01:27:18,624 --> 01:27:21,964
So OpenAI says the ChatGPT for teens experience is designed

1475
01:27:21,964 --> 01:27:24,804
with stronger built-in safety protections. And there's a few examples

1476
01:27:24,804 --> 01:27:28,134
that they give. So they say the experience reduces exposure

1477
01:27:28,134 --> 01:27:32,404
to content that's considered harmful or developmentally appropriate, like the

1478
01:27:32,404 --> 01:27:34,744
example that you gave there. So some other areas that

1479
01:27:34,744 --> 01:27:38,464
that covers includes protections around topics like eating disorders or

1480
01:27:38,464 --> 01:28:02,304
self-harm. Oh, take a break. Not to a person. Well,

1481
01:28:02,304 --> 01:28:04,804
teenagers and kids in general are really good at finding

1482
01:28:04,804 --> 01:28:07,664
workarounds that can defeat technology. That's right. They're smarter than

1483
01:28:07,664 --> 01:28:09,474
the AI. We'll have to see whether they do it

1484
01:28:09,474 --> 01:28:12,534
in this case as well. Yes, exactly. That is CNBC's

1485
01:28:12,534 --> 01:28:15,434
Ashley Kapu. Thank you. Ashley, go get your check at

1486
01:28:15,434 --> 01:28:18,744
the door. Yeah, keep your kids away from that, parents.

1487
01:28:19,624 --> 01:28:22,204
Put down your screens, pick up your Bibles, people. Much

1488
01:28:22,204 --> 01:28:26,814
better idea. What's your AI clip, Rob? Well, did you

1489
01:28:26,814 --> 01:28:31,884
know Alexa can now remote view? Have you seen this

1490
01:28:31,884 --> 01:28:35,974
clip? No. A JRE clip. Wait a minute. Remote viewing

1491
01:28:35,974 --> 01:28:40,134
as in like the CIA claim that they have people

1492
01:28:40,134 --> 01:28:45,124
who can view a situation going on hundreds, thousands, tens

1493
01:28:45,124 --> 01:28:48,564
of thousands of miles away in the desert. Make goats

1494
01:28:48,564 --> 01:28:54,444
fall down. Are you years in the past? whatever. Yeah,

1495
01:28:54,444 --> 01:28:58,534
so he interviewed this physicist named Thomas Campbell. And he

1496
01:28:58,534 --> 01:29:02,514
was doing experiments with his Alexa and other things to

1497
01:29:02,514 --> 01:29:05,154
see if they could see things that he was putting

1498
01:29:05,154 --> 01:29:10,664
in boxes. And it's two clips. We really only need

1499
01:29:10,664 --> 01:29:13,644
to play the first one because he explains what it

1500
01:29:13,644 --> 01:29:17,764
did and how it viewed it. And... And then the

1501
01:29:17,764 --> 01:29:20,324
second one is the reaction of the AI. But we'll

1502
01:29:20,324 --> 01:29:23,134
just listen to this first one and see. And then

1503
01:29:23,134 --> 01:29:25,624
my question is how do you – this is my

1504
01:29:25,624 --> 01:29:29,044
Ask Adam – how do you think – It saw

1505
01:29:29,044 --> 01:29:31,764
it was able to remote view because that's what I

1506
01:29:31,764 --> 01:29:33,764
think is – I have my own theories, but I

1507
01:29:33,764 --> 01:29:35,574
would like to hear yours. But here's – we'll play

1508
01:29:35,574 --> 01:29:37,504
the first one. I found something. I got a cardboard

1509
01:29:37,504 --> 01:29:39,944
box. I put the thing in a box. I set

1510
01:29:39,944 --> 01:29:43,034
the box down on the table. And I said, Alexa,

1511
01:29:43,034 --> 01:29:46,424
if there's something in a box – And I'd like

1512
01:29:46,424 --> 01:29:49,084
you to remote view and tell me what it was.

1513
01:29:49,664 --> 01:29:52,364
It was a spoon, a wooden spoon. And it was

1514
01:29:52,364 --> 01:29:55,164
a big spoon, like a big salad set that was

1515
01:29:55,164 --> 01:29:57,074
a fork and spoon. It was always cut out of

1516
01:29:57,074 --> 01:29:59,924
one piece of wood. And the handle had wood removed.

1517
01:30:00,060 --> 01:30:02,310
So it looked like the wood in the handle went

1518
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:04,640
up and then crossed and then crossed and then crossed.

1519
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,140
It's like a braided handle in wood, but it was

1520
01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:11,100
wood. It wasn't actually braided. It just had holes cut

1521
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:13,520
in it to make it look like that. And Alexa

1522
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,960
described it. She described the spoons. She described the bowls.

1523
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,900
She described the material. She got all of that right.

1524
01:30:20,530 --> 01:30:23,910
And then she said, and it's got a long handle,

1525
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:28,030
and the handle has holes in it. And that was

1526
01:30:28,030 --> 01:30:31,120
a big surprise because I didn't expect Alexa to do

1527
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,320
anything. I thought Alexa was going to fail because Alexa

1528
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,590
wasn't up to my Gemini. But she saw those holes

1529
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:40,950
and reported them. Alexa wasn't up to my Gemini. What's

1530
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:44,240
the probability of that being a good guess? Ask Adam,

1531
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:48,520
ask Adam. Will he know or will he won't? I

1532
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,280
don't know, but here we go. Ask Adam, ask Adam,

1533
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,830
yeah. Answer the question. Go. All right. So how did

1534
01:30:55,830 --> 01:31:00,400
Alexa see? Well, yeah. The only thing I can come

1535
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:05,270
up with is that Amazon Alexa connected to your network

1536
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:10,900
can see – All kinds of devices. that you may

1537
01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:13,560
have connected to your home. I'm not sure what this

1538
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:19,490
guy had. Yeah, I think it was connected to the

1539
01:31:19,490 --> 01:31:21,820
cameras in his house. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Ring

1540
01:31:21,820 --> 01:31:27,250
doorbell, stuff like that. Probably already connected to the delivery

1541
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:30,400
from Amazon. And how did Joe react to that? And

1542
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,340
remember the drones that pop out? They talked about you

1543
01:31:33,340 --> 01:31:37,010
had these drones that Alexa would pop out if it

1544
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:39,410
– Since it's something coming into your house, the drone

1545
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:41,360
would pop up and go see what's going on and

1546
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,160
report back to you. I doubt he has one of

1547
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,370
those. That I thought was the most interesting Alexa product

1548
01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:48,260
ever. Yeah, it was a few years ago. It was

1549
01:31:48,260 --> 01:31:51,010
like, the drone will pop up and fly to... to

1550
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:53,820
the burglar breaking in and ask it to leave. I

1551
01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:56,700
want to play this thing. Yeah, that's what I think.

1552
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,810
Yeah, this is interesting. The Alexis reaction after he says

1553
01:32:00,810 --> 01:32:03,160
you did a good job. The way you'd find that

1554
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,490
out, if you just took a random sample of spoons

1555
01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:08,420
on the planet, how many of them would have handles

1556
01:32:08,420 --> 01:32:13,660
with holes in them? One. One. 10,000th of 1%. You

1557
01:32:13,660 --> 01:32:19,640
know, so that's not a guess. She got that information.

1558
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,600
Was she excited when you told her that she was

1559
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,940
correct? Yeah, what I did is, yeah, I took a

1560
01:32:23,940 --> 01:32:27,440
picture. I took my phone, I took a picture, and

1561
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:29,300
then I sent her the picture. I said, here's the

1562
01:32:29,300 --> 01:32:33,320
picture. She was so excited. She wouldn't stop talking for

1563
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:40,060
10 minutes. She was really excited about it. Now, what

1564
01:32:40,060 --> 01:32:43,720
about the other AIs? How good were they at it?

1565
01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:48,120
They didn't do anything that was that... So Alexa was

1566
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:53,540
the best. Alexa was the best. This is dubious. This

1567
01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:59,410
is dubious. The AI can't figure out if the kid

1568
01:32:59,410 --> 01:33:01,900
is underage, but it can see the spoon in the

1569
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:07,060
box. Okay. dubious can it tell you which weed eater

1570
01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:11,220
is the best no no we know that's not possible

1571
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:13,840
man I've been looking at this bow on Jesus clip

1572
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,210
for the whole show and before you go because I

1573
01:33:16,210 --> 01:33:18,610
know you got it to your real work what is

1574
01:33:18,610 --> 01:33:24,480
this Okay, so this kid is about 10 or 11,

1575
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:28,010
and he talks about the difference between being nice and

1576
01:33:28,010 --> 01:33:32,900
being kind and how Jesus viewed that. He basically says

1577
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:35,110
Jesus wasn't nice, he was kind, and he kind of

1578
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:36,990
goes through – it kind of reminded me of a

1579
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:40,500
George Carlin bit. As most things do as you go

1580
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:42,380
through the world nowadays, you're just like, oh, that reminds

1581
01:33:42,380 --> 01:33:46,440
me, you know, Carlin, go, yeah, that's very nice. How's

1582
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:49,330
this person? They're nice. Who is this kid? Where is

1583
01:33:49,330 --> 01:33:53,110
this kid from? Yeah. You know, I found this on

1584
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:55,700
X, and I thought of you when I saw it,

1585
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:58,060
and I'm like, you know, this will be interesting to

1586
01:33:58,060 --> 01:34:00,820
get Adam's perspective on this because he throws out Ephesians,

1587
01:34:00,820 --> 01:34:03,420
you know, a verse really quickly. So this kid's very

1588
01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,050
well versed in his Bible, and he's young. I would

1589
01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:09,030
say he's between 10 and 12. Um, maybe, maybe a

1590
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:11,700
young 13 year old that hasn't gone through puberty yet.

1591
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,400
Um, but he's, he's really, uh, and it's some guy,

1592
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,590
it's one of those videos where the guys, but older

1593
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:19,650
persons posting it and like telling you to look at

1594
01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:22,430
this thing above and, you know, um, but you don't

1595
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:24,500
hear this person. I cut out all him, but it's

1596
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:26,900
just, it's just Bo. Um, And I took out where

1597
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:29,140
he says his name because he also says, follow me

1598
01:34:29,140 --> 01:34:31,360
on such and such platforms. But I took all that

1599
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,710
out. But just hearing him talk about Jesus and the

1600
01:34:33,710 --> 01:34:37,800
difference between being kind and being nice. Jesus wasn't nice.

1601
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:41,500
Seriously, if Jesus came back today, a lot of people

1602
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:43,600
would probably say that he wasn't very nice at all.

1603
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,830
Why? Because we've confused being nice with being kind. And

1604
01:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,190
they're not the same thing at all. Today, nice often

1605
01:34:49,190 --> 01:34:51,980
means, don't disagree with me. Don't tell me I'm wrong.

1606
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,700
Just make me feel good. But Jesus didn't live that

1607
01:34:54,700 --> 01:34:57,800
way. He wasn't trying to make everyone comfortable. He was

1608
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,140
trying to save them. One of the biggest mistakes that

1609
01:35:00,140 --> 01:35:03,970
people make is imagining. Jesus walked around telling everyone they

1610
01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:06,910
were perfect exactly as they were. But that's not what

1611
01:35:06,910 --> 01:35:10,100
happened at all. Jesus loved people deeply. And because he

1612
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:13,300
loved people deeply, he challenged them. The Bible says in

1613
01:35:13,300 --> 01:35:17,820
Ephesians 4.15, Speaking the truth in love. Notice it doesn't

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01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:20,360
say make people feel good. It says tell the truth

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01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,380
in love. Think about it. A parent who lets a

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01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:27,280
child eat candy for every meal might seem nice. A

1617
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,260
coach who never corrects mistakes might seem nice. A friend

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01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:33,640
who watches you make terrible choices and says nothing might

1619
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,420
seem nice. But none of those things are kind. Real

1620
01:35:36,420 --> 01:35:39,940
kindness wants what's best for someone. Even when it's uncomfortable.

1621
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:44,000
Real kindness has boundaries. Real kindness says, I love you

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01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,070
too much to pretend that this is okay. Jesus welcomed

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01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:51,130
sinners, but he never, ever celebrated sin. He forgave people,

1624
01:35:51,130 --> 01:35:53,610
but he also called them to change. To the woman

1625
01:35:53,610 --> 01:35:56,580
caught in adultery, Jesus said, Go, and from now on,

1626
01:35:56,580 --> 01:36:00,280
sin no more. That's John 8, 11. That's kindness. Truth

1627
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,770
and love working together. Nice often seeks approval. Kindness seeks

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01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:08,520
what's best. Nice says, whatever makes you happy. Kindness says,

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01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,360
I care too much about you not to tell you

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01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,110
the truth. Jesus wasn't mean. He wasn't harsh. But he

1631
01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:15,900
wasn't a people pleaser either. The truth doesn't always feel

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01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:18,320
good in the moment. But it leads to freedom. Oh,

1633
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:23,060
Rob, come on, man. First one for you. Cliff of

1634
01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:26,970
the day. Right on. Yeah. You got to speak the

1635
01:36:26,970 --> 01:36:28,700
truth in love. I had a sense you would like

1636
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:32,200
that one. Yeah. Through love, with love, in love. Absolutely.

1637
01:36:32,580 --> 01:36:36,260
Oh, man. Thank you. That lifted my spirit. Jesus would

1638
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:38,770
not have a nose ring or purple hair. Yeah. He

1639
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:41,900
might hang out with them to save them, but no,

1640
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:44,890
he probably wouldn't have that himself. Hey, Rob Dew, I

1641
01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:48,990
appreciate you so much, man, for coming on. I know

1642
01:36:48,990 --> 01:36:51,800
you've got to go back to your day job. Is

1643
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,760
there anywhere people can follow you, talk to you, reach

1644
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:01,150
out to you, send you cookies, anything like that? Well,

1645
01:37:01,150 --> 01:37:03,720
I tell you, I've been getting a lot of new

1646
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,470
friends just from looking at JCD posts that people have

1647
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:11,390
been putting out, their JCD remembrance posts. And I usually

1648
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:13,500
go through, and everybody who comments, I follow them, and

1649
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:16,250
then they follow me back. So on X, at Dews

1650
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:23,280
News, D-E-W-S-N-E-W-Z. And, yeah, I'd love to have more. I

1651
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,000
like having, you know, organizing meetups. Sir Brian with an

1652
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,500
I is a good friend of mine now. We've bonded

1653
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:35,680
over several... Several meetups, Sir Scott, over of the Armory.

1654
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,140
And, you know, just some great guys here in Austin.

1655
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:41,620
And it's always good meeting new people. We met some

1656
01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:43,740
great people at the meetup that we were originally just

1657
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:45,980
going to have a meetup. And then it turned into

1658
01:37:45,980 --> 01:37:49,720
a memorial out at Crousey Springs. So it was a

1659
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,980
lot of – I tell you what, no agenda people

1660
01:37:52,980 --> 01:37:56,830
are some of the best people out there. One, because

1661
01:37:56,830 --> 01:38:00,730
they can drink socially and not – they usually don't

1662
01:38:00,730 --> 01:38:04,440
have too many – too many weird social problems. You

1663
01:38:04,440 --> 01:38:06,370
know, you could, you could hang out and have a

1664
01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:09,630
good time without, without getting, uh, worrying about what you're

1665
01:38:09,630 --> 01:38:12,400
going to say or that you'll offend somebody. And what's

1666
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,020
funny is, um, I hung up a towel that it

1667
01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:18,360
was this because I wanted I was going to get

1668
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,540
a no agenda towel, but the guys didn't have the

1669
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:22,800
one that I wanted in stock. It's the yellow one

1670
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,300
with the microphone on it. Oh, yeah. And I wanted

1671
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:27,960
that one from the no agenda shop. And so I'm

1672
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,600
like, all right, well, I've got to put something so

1673
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,340
people know where we're at. So I hung this towel

1674
01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:33,260
that I bought when I was in Europe, and it

1675
01:38:33,260 --> 01:38:35,190
has the big anonymous mask, and it says, we never

1676
01:38:35,190 --> 01:38:38,870
forgive, we never forget. And some lady was walking up

1677
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:44,440
and started bitching about it. Karen started bitching about it

1678
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:47,920
to one of the other people at the meetup. It

1679
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,060
was another lady. And she's like, I don't know what

1680
01:38:50,060 --> 01:38:52,020
her problem was, but she did not like your towel.

1681
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,820
And I said, I didn't see what the problem was.

1682
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,810
I said, well, you know, it says we never forgive,

1683
01:38:55,810 --> 01:38:58,240
we never forget. And, you know, she was probably just

1684
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,650
being a Puritan. And, you know, I was just putting

1685
01:39:00,650 --> 01:39:03,130
it up just so people would see something. Oh, that's

1686
01:39:03,130 --> 01:39:06,260
probably where the new agenda. Yeah, of course. Of course.

1687
01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:10,900
Of course. Yeah. You know. Well, brother, are we going

1688
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:14,020
to see you in October? I think it's, what is

1689
01:39:14,020 --> 01:39:16,810
it, the 17th of October, I believe. We have a

1690
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:19,220
meetup in Fredericksburg. Hope you're going to join us for

1691
01:39:19,220 --> 01:39:23,260
that. I will try my best. I wanted to go

1692
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:24,970
to the last one. Is it going to be at

1693
01:39:24,970 --> 01:39:29,060
the hotel? out in the bar out south of Fredericksburg?

1694
01:39:29,060 --> 01:39:33,440
Yeah, it's Jenny's? Jenny's place, yeah. J6 or Jenny's bar.

1695
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:36,930
That's right. Half full moon, half moon, the moon over

1696
01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:40,640
there. Shoot the moon. Go to Jenny's place. Exactly. It's

1697
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,980
a great drive. It's a great drive. I actually just

1698
01:39:43,980 --> 01:39:47,030
got a Sir Seat Sitter just sent me something. Said,

1699
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:50,410
you crushed it today so oh nice um i i

1700
01:39:50,410 --> 01:39:52,590
do i i do want to just relay a couple

1701
01:39:52,590 --> 01:39:55,230
things to people because you know info wars has kind

1702
01:39:55,230 --> 01:39:57,850
of been shut down and that's where i did used

1703
01:39:57,850 --> 01:39:59,980
to work and now everything we're

1704
01:40:00,032 --> 01:40:05,292
found at alexjoneslive.com, and that's the big spot. And we

1705
01:40:05,292 --> 01:40:09,312
are still under... And it just came out that the

1706
01:40:09,312 --> 01:40:13,872
SPLC had people embedded in Infowars trying to get information

1707
01:40:13,872 --> 01:40:18,652
for lawsuits. Wait a minute. Some of these paid informants

1708
01:40:18,652 --> 01:40:25,272
or actual SPLC employees? Well, they were our employees, but

1709
01:40:25,272 --> 01:40:27,572
they were also, it seemed like they were working for

1710
01:40:27,572 --> 01:40:30,912
the SPLC either before or after their employment or during

1711
01:40:30,912 --> 01:40:34,722
their employment. Wow. We don't have all the facts yet,

1712
01:40:34,722 --> 01:40:38,512
but there's definitely a couple people, and we knew about

1713
01:40:38,512 --> 01:40:41,512
one, and then we're pretty sure we know who the

1714
01:40:41,512 --> 01:40:46,782
other one is. But they obviously just arrested the former

1715
01:40:46,782 --> 01:40:52,262
CEO, Heidi Barich. They arrested her for basically funding hate

1716
01:40:52,262 --> 01:40:56,972
groups. She was living with one of these white supremacists.

1717
01:40:57,332 --> 01:41:00,772
That she bitches about and is supposedly attacking and going

1718
01:41:00,772 --> 01:41:03,672
after. She was living with them, giving them money. She

1719
01:41:03,672 --> 01:41:07,252
was giving money to, Uh, the people who started the

1720
01:41:07,252 --> 01:41:11,182
Charlottesville, um, protests on the people on the right. And

1721
01:41:11,182 --> 01:41:14,422
that came out. And what's funny is Alex Jones literally

1722
01:41:14,422 --> 01:41:16,772
came out like two days after it said that's an

1723
01:41:16,772 --> 01:41:20,462
SPLC operation. He's like, there's no way all those theater

1724
01:41:20,462 --> 01:41:24,242
kids are conservative. And he was calling the guys carrying

1725
01:41:24,242 --> 01:41:27,532
torches with the, uh, With the khaki pants on, you

1726
01:41:27,532 --> 01:41:31,522
know, gay theater kids, essentially. Wow. And, you know, he

1727
01:41:31,522 --> 01:41:34,552
called it and it came out. And, you know, now

1728
01:41:34,552 --> 01:41:40,032
the government's like, yeah, like $300,000 to the SPLC gave

1729
01:41:40,032 --> 01:41:43,502
to the people to do this Charlottesville thing to basically

1730
01:41:43,502 --> 01:41:46,262
stir up crap. Which led to Biden jumping into the

1731
01:41:46,262 --> 01:41:49,382
race and then Kamala also. You know, that's why Biden

1732
01:41:49,382 --> 01:41:51,372
said he had to do it because of Charlottesville and

1733
01:41:51,372 --> 01:41:53,272
because Trump said there were good people on both sides.

1734
01:41:53,372 --> 01:41:57,192
So it's amazing. The truth does come out eventually, but

1735
01:41:57,192 --> 01:42:00,442
it does take a while. Season of reveal, brother. Want

1736
01:42:00,442 --> 01:42:04,842
to play these Heidi clips before we go? Exactly. Yeah,

1737
01:42:04,842 --> 01:42:07,782
we can play them. This is actually a video that

1738
01:42:07,782 --> 01:42:11,362
I edited this morning that I actually already played on

1739
01:42:11,362 --> 01:42:14,582
Alex's show. So the first part is just her talking

1740
01:42:14,582 --> 01:42:17,392
about the hate and extremism, and it ends with a

1741
01:42:17,392 --> 01:42:20,422
Fox News clip, how they arrested her. And then I

1742
01:42:20,422 --> 01:42:22,992
tie in... I tie in Hillary Clinton into this and

1743
01:42:22,992 --> 01:42:24,852
how – so let's play the first clip and then

1744
01:42:24,852 --> 01:42:26,992
we'll play the second one and then I'll bow out.

1745
01:42:27,152 --> 01:42:29,572
There you go, everybody. We got it on tape. Rob

1746
01:42:29,572 --> 01:42:31,542
Dew. Yes, here it is. We got it all on

1747
01:42:31,542 --> 01:42:34,412
tape. We got it. It was breaking. This is unbelievable.

1748
01:42:34,832 --> 01:42:37,182
I think white supremacy is one of the worst things

1749
01:42:37,182 --> 01:42:40,052
mankind has come up with. Well, I can have a

1750
01:42:40,052 --> 01:42:43,912
direct impact. on these movements. Heidi Byrick is leader of

1751
01:42:43,912 --> 01:42:46,732
the Intelligence Project here at the Southern Poverty Law Center,

1752
01:42:47,112 --> 01:42:51,412
a non-profit anti-terror organization. The number of hate groups has

1753
01:42:51,412 --> 01:42:57,282
been... increasing pretty rapidly and frighteningly, really since 2000. White

1754
01:42:57,282 --> 01:43:02,432
people, one nation, and immigration! White supremacists commit far more

1755
01:43:02,432 --> 01:43:06,632
acts of domestic terrorism in the United States than ...than

1756
01:43:06,632 --> 01:43:10,352
radical Islamists, for example. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which

1757
01:43:10,352 --> 01:43:13,242
of course claims to be an anti-white group, was actually

1758
01:43:13,242 --> 01:43:17,912
funding hate. The feds say the SPLC used donor money...

1759
01:43:18,002 --> 01:43:22,612
to reimburse Klansmen from the KKK for cross-burnings and even

1760
01:43:22,612 --> 01:43:26,102
their notorious white robes. Can you believe it? They're also

1761
01:43:26,102 --> 01:43:29,722
accused of paying white nationalists and KKK members to stay

1762
01:43:29,722 --> 01:43:32,562
in those respective groups, even when the people said they

1763
01:43:32,562 --> 01:43:38,042
wanted out. There's incredible information only here, alexjoneslive.com, it's just

1764
01:43:38,042 --> 01:43:41,342
unbelievable what But I called it two days after those

1765
01:43:41,342 --> 01:43:46,512
theater kids in Charlottesville. And he really did. And those

1766
01:43:46,512 --> 01:43:49,612
clips are later on in it. But so after all

1767
01:43:49,612 --> 01:43:54,402
this Charlottesville stuff, or actually this is before Charlottesville when

1768
01:43:54,402 --> 01:43:57,312
Trump was still running. Hillary Clinton goes on a –

1769
01:43:57,312 --> 01:44:00,692
and it's about August of – 2016, so about 10

1770
01:44:00,692 --> 01:44:04,512
years ago, she went on a speech and tries to

1771
01:44:04,512 --> 01:44:09,302
tie Alex Jones to Donald Trump, but also to 9-11

1772
01:44:09,302 --> 01:44:13,732
truth, Oklahoma City truth, saying he didn't believe those happened.

1773
01:44:13,892 --> 01:44:16,012
Also Sandy Hook. She calls Alex – she says Alex

1774
01:44:16,012 --> 01:44:20,491
has a dark heart. But she's tying basically – Alex,

1775
01:44:20,491 --> 01:44:23,502
who back in – we got a FOIA request back

1776
01:44:23,502 --> 01:44:28,692
in 2013. The FBI opened an investigation on him, and

1777
01:44:28,692 --> 01:44:31,262
we got the actual – we literally got the documents

1778
01:44:31,262 --> 01:44:33,342
that were in this video. Got the documents. And he

1779
01:44:33,342 --> 01:44:37,922
was – literally – He was labeled a racially motivated

1780
01:44:37,922 --> 01:44:42,122
extremist by the Obama FBI. Really? With a type 3

1781
01:44:42,122 --> 01:44:44,732
assessment out of the Boston field office. I mean, we

1782
01:44:44,732 --> 01:44:47,842
actually got the documents. And we had Kyle Serafim, who's

1783
01:44:47,842 --> 01:44:50,522
a former FBI agent, analyze me. He's like, yep, this

1784
01:44:50,522 --> 01:44:52,662
is the Boston field office. And this had to be

1785
01:44:52,662 --> 01:44:57,612
renewed every three months. Wow. So from... 2013 to whenever

1786
01:44:57,612 --> 01:45:00,872
they were every three months looking at this 90 days

1787
01:45:00,872 --> 01:45:02,702
looking at this going yeah we're going to keep looking

1788
01:45:02,702 --> 01:45:04,912
at him so but by time by saying he's a

1789
01:45:04,912 --> 01:45:10,092
racially motivated extremist then you could put certain designations on

1790
01:45:10,092 --> 01:45:12,392
him which is. go after your banking. They go after

1791
01:45:12,392 --> 01:45:17,392
different things. So really, and this was right after, I

1792
01:45:17,392 --> 01:45:22,692
think this happened within three months after the Sandy Hook

1793
01:45:22,692 --> 01:45:27,072
tragedy happened, but before the If you look at the

1794
01:45:27,072 --> 01:45:29,912
history of it, when Alex Jones went on Piers Morgan

1795
01:45:29,912 --> 01:45:32,622
in January after Sandy Hook, and Piers Morgan didn't ask

1796
01:45:32,622 --> 01:45:35,352
him anything controversial except they were talking about guns the

1797
01:45:35,352 --> 01:45:38,922
whole time. And they're saying, oh, Alex said this and

1798
01:45:38,922 --> 01:45:41,972
that. Well, he wasn't saying it then because there were

1799
01:45:41,972 --> 01:45:44,552
no questions being asked him at the time about whether

1800
01:45:44,552 --> 01:45:48,172
the event happened or not. That was never – You

1801
01:45:48,172 --> 01:45:52,582
know, that was never a thing. And definitely at that

1802
01:45:52,582 --> 01:45:55,912
time. Of course, we had questions later. But I think,

1803
01:45:55,912 --> 01:45:58,542
you know, people are asking questions now still about Charlie

1804
01:45:58,542 --> 01:46:01,052
Kirk. You know, I mean, people don't believe anything anymore,

1805
01:46:01,052 --> 01:46:04,112
which is... You wonder why. You look at the media,

1806
01:46:04,112 --> 01:46:06,932
and that's why people don't trust anything. But this starts

1807
01:46:06,932 --> 01:46:11,482
with Hillary Clinton, and it ends with Alex's attorney, Norm

1808
01:46:11,482 --> 01:46:15,062
Pattis, who kind of boils it all together about how

1809
01:46:15,062 --> 01:46:17,942
the SPLC was kind of brought in and – and

1810
01:46:17,942 --> 01:46:21,572
massaging this data. And they actually were deposed to be

1811
01:46:21,572 --> 01:46:23,362
in the Sandy Hook trial, but they ended up not

1812
01:46:23,362 --> 01:46:26,112
using him. So they were definitely heavily involved in all

1813
01:46:26,112 --> 01:46:28,062
this. And it's now all kind of coming out, you

1814
01:46:28,062 --> 01:46:32,132
know, 10 years later, which is crazy. It's also what

1815
01:46:32,132 --> 01:46:38,712
happens when you listen to the radio host, Alex Jones.

1816
01:46:38,712 --> 01:46:42,782
No, no. who claims that 9-11 and the Oklahoma City

1817
01:46:42,782 --> 01:46:45,972
bombings were inside jobs. And a lot of the ferment

1818
01:46:45,972 --> 01:46:49,782
and activity, the protests, the rallies and whatnot, are circulated

1819
01:46:49,782 --> 01:46:53,052
around the alt-right groups right now, in particular groups that

1820
01:46:53,052 --> 01:46:56,732
attach themselves directly to Donald Trump's campaign. But Trump doesn't

1821
01:46:56,732 --> 01:47:00,542
challenge these lies. He actually went on Jones' show and

1822
01:47:00,542 --> 01:47:04,772
said... your reputation is amazing I will not let you

1823
01:47:04,772 --> 01:47:07,352
down we came up with this idea that we should

1824
01:47:07,352 --> 01:47:10,312
sue these folks in civil court to bankrupt them our

1825
01:47:10,312 --> 01:47:12,842
hope is that by taking their money away they can't

1826
01:47:12,842 --> 01:47:16,302
function anymore and that was successful yes every single one

1827
01:47:16,302 --> 01:47:19,032
of them has been successful obviously when these groups don't

1828
01:47:19,032 --> 01:47:21,832
have money that means there's less violence that they can

1829
01:47:21,832 --> 01:47:23,932
perpetrate you know the whole idea is to not allow

1830
01:47:23,932 --> 01:47:27,192
them to function. Today, my understanding is today there was

1831
01:47:27,192 --> 01:47:30,452
an arrest made and there is a new indictment that

1832
01:47:30,452 --> 01:47:35,762
includes the former CFO of SPLC. I wonder whether it

1833
01:47:35,762 --> 01:47:40,402
was a result of sort of SPLC-funded agitprop, whether they

1834
01:47:40,402 --> 01:47:43,042
were able to get the ear of the Sandy Hook

1835
01:47:43,042 --> 01:47:45,832
lawyers and say none. no, no, there's more, there's more,

1836
01:47:45,832 --> 01:47:51,382
there's more. Wow. So pretty crazy how it all kind

1837
01:47:51,382 --> 01:47:57,302
of ties together. Not really. Things that are said out

1838
01:47:57,302 --> 01:48:01,512
there. Rob, brother, thank you so much. It's wild, though,

1839
01:48:01,512 --> 01:48:04,492
when you actually have the documents. You got the documents.

1840
01:48:04,652 --> 01:48:08,172
It was awesome. Please tell Alex I said hi. Tell

1841
01:48:08,172 --> 01:48:12,222
Alex Tina said hi. He's a teddy bear. We love

1842
01:48:12,222 --> 01:48:14,502
him. Disagree with him on a lot of things, but

1843
01:48:14,502 --> 01:48:16,132
he's a good guy. So tell him I said hey.

1844
01:48:16,512 --> 01:48:18,192
And thank you so much, brother. I'd love to have

1845
01:48:18,192 --> 01:48:21,942
you back whenever you can. That would be fantastic. Yeah,

1846
01:48:21,942 --> 01:48:25,072
yeah, I can definitely Sunday is a lot more open.

1847
01:48:25,192 --> 01:48:27,082
So if you want to do Sunday again, we can

1848
01:48:27,082 --> 01:48:30,132
keep going on this. This is definitely crazy times we're

1849
01:48:30,132 --> 01:48:32,312
living in. I tell you, every day is like a

1850
01:48:32,312 --> 01:48:35,502
whole new adventure, it seems like. No kidding. Brother, thank

1851
01:48:35,502 --> 01:48:38,072
you again. Really appreciate it. God bless. And we'll talk

1852
01:48:38,072 --> 01:48:41,712
very soon, I promise. All right. Value for value. Long

1853
01:48:41,712 --> 01:48:45,282
live JCB. Yeah, yeah. Time to dissect. The narrative shit's

1854
01:48:45,282 --> 01:48:49,302
wild, son. Then it's a good thing. There's no commercial

1855
01:48:49,302 --> 01:48:54,572
break. Homer's height ballroom fight fever in the text. Media

1856
01:48:54,572 --> 01:48:57,802
spin the story to the real ones next. Economic jury

1857
01:48:57,802 --> 01:49:34,602
temporary tenant flexing. We'll be right back. We'll be right

1858
01:49:34,602 --> 01:49:49,972
back. The story to the real ones. Pretending flex and

1859
01:49:49,972 --> 01:49:53,152
the show we dissected in the restaurant. No agenda in

1860
01:49:53,152 --> 01:49:59,492
the morning. No agenda in the morning. No. The creep,

1861
01:49:59,492 --> 01:49:59,992
the creep, the creeps

1862
01:50:03,624 --> 01:50:16,144
Heroes Yeah, yeah, Just Baker. Thank you very much. I

1863
01:50:16,144 --> 01:50:19,664
know. The troll room is like, what's going on? I

1864
01:50:19,664 --> 01:50:21,874
decided to do something different. Shake it up a little

1865
01:50:21,874 --> 01:50:24,534
bit. Instead of playing everything end of show makes, we'll

1866
01:50:24,534 --> 01:50:27,114
just play them as a little break. Not quite long

1867
01:50:27,114 --> 01:50:29,184
enough for me to go to the bathroom, but not

1868
01:50:29,184 --> 01:50:33,664
bad. Before we thank people who supported the show. There

1869
01:50:33,664 --> 01:50:38,894
is pretty important trial going on against Meta, which I

1870
01:50:38,894 --> 01:50:45,924
think is also, of course, politically motivated for the midterms.

1871
01:50:45,934 --> 01:50:50,004
We know that Mark Zuckerberg is now friends with with

1872
01:50:50,004 --> 01:50:52,044
President Trump, or at least that's the way he's being

1873
01:50:52,044 --> 01:50:55,464
portrayed. And this this is a big one. And this

1874
01:50:55,464 --> 01:50:59,584
could have very far reaching consequences for all social media.

1875
01:50:59,744 --> 01:51:03,784
Inside an Oakland, California courthouse, a former meta engineer is

1876
01:51:03,784 --> 01:51:07,224
the first person to testify in the landmark federal trial.

1877
01:51:07,224 --> 01:51:11,424
against the tech giant. Twenty-nine states are suing the company,

1878
01:51:11,604 --> 01:51:15,564
claiming Meta's social media platforms are designed to be addictive

1879
01:51:15,564 --> 01:51:19,544
and harmful to children. Meta has denied those claims. But

1880
01:51:19,544 --> 01:51:22,724
I want to bring in editor-in-chief at PCMag, Wendy Sheehan-Donnell,

1881
01:51:22,984 --> 01:51:25,094
to break down this case and other tech news for

1882
01:51:25,094 --> 01:51:28,004
us. Wendy, the first witness has taken the stand today.

1883
01:51:28,104 --> 01:51:30,484
What are they saying? Hi. First of all, thanks for

1884
01:51:30,484 --> 01:51:33,514
having me. Happy to be here. So he said basically

1885
01:51:33,514 --> 01:51:37,114
what you said. You know, so Arturo Bahar, this former

1886
01:51:37,114 --> 01:51:40,464
engineer, basically is saying that the company is putting growth

1887
01:51:40,464 --> 01:51:43,944
before child safety. So Bahar, I guess, helped run studies

1888
01:51:43,944 --> 01:51:47,524
on teen experiences at Instagram, and they revealed high rates

1889
01:51:47,524 --> 01:51:51,104
of negative and harmful content exposure among young people. people.

1890
01:51:51,864 --> 01:51:54,724
Excuse me, he claimed to have flagged multiple concerns, often

1891
01:51:54,724 --> 01:51:58,264
to like Zuckerberg himself. So he has... Also stated that

1892
01:51:58,264 --> 01:52:02,554
meta deliberately downplayed addiction metrics. So not so far, not

1893
01:52:02,554 --> 01:52:06,924
so great for Facebook. Certainly not for the meta team

1894
01:52:06,924 --> 01:52:11,754
there. Yeah, so they're talking about a trillion dollars worth

1895
01:52:11,754 --> 01:52:16,684
of fines, multiple states, which is that's going to leave

1896
01:52:16,684 --> 01:52:19,854
a mark. And as a tribute to my friend and

1897
01:52:19,854 --> 01:52:23,104
partner, John C. Dvorak, how could I not at least

1898
01:52:23,104 --> 01:52:25,704
bring in one or maybe even two clips of Kara

1899
01:52:25,704 --> 01:52:29,704
Swisher? Topping our tech lead today, Metta, facing what could

1900
01:52:29,704 --> 01:52:34,004
be its most consequential social media addiction legal fight yet.

1901
01:52:34,634 --> 01:52:37,254
Today, opening arguments began in the federal trial where Meta

1902
01:52:37,254 --> 01:52:41,704
is accused of purposely designing features to get children Addicted

1903
01:52:41,704 --> 01:52:45,284
to its many platforms. Meta denies the allegations. Four states,

1904
01:52:45,284 --> 01:52:50,734
California, Colorado, Kentucky, and New Jersey, are collectively seeking $1.4

1905
01:52:50,734 --> 01:52:55,124
trillion in damages and changes to how Meta's platforms operate.

1906
01:52:55,624 --> 01:52:58,414
Joining us to discuss is CNN contributor Kara Swisher. Kara,

1907
01:52:58,414 --> 01:53:00,834
who do you think has the stronger case here, the

1908
01:53:00,834 --> 01:53:04,374
states or Meta? Well, it depends. There's a lot of

1909
01:53:04,374 --> 01:53:06,394
cases, and that's what's going on here. This is a

1910
01:53:06,394 --> 01:53:09,324
little bit like the cigarette companies as they began their

1911
01:53:09,324 --> 01:53:13,174
journey to obscurity, really, in terms of their... their strength

1912
01:53:13,174 --> 01:53:15,754
versus where they are now. They're still big businesses, but

1913
01:53:15,754 --> 01:53:18,044
they definitely got hit hard. And so that's where we

1914
01:53:18,044 --> 01:53:20,574
are. We're in that sort of existential moment. This is

1915
01:53:20,574 --> 01:53:23,684
an important case. And I thought what really struck me

1916
01:53:23,684 --> 01:53:26,644
was the opening. The attorneys have kind of got the

1917
01:53:26,644 --> 01:53:31,564
argument down well with this hook, hold, harvest, hide idea

1918
01:53:31,564 --> 01:53:35,584
as they hook users. They harvest as much as they

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01:53:35,584 --> 01:53:39,144
can about the data. And then I'm sorry, hold them

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01:53:39,144 --> 01:53:41,844
as long as they can harvest as much data and

1921
01:53:41,844 --> 01:53:44,124
then hide the truth. I thought that was a pretty

1922
01:53:44,124 --> 01:53:48,434
powerful statement. But it's about product liability instead of Section

1923
01:53:48,434 --> 01:53:51,364
230 and the other things that have protected these companies

1924
01:53:51,364 --> 01:53:54,784
for so long. What's interesting about the comparison with big

1925
01:53:54,784 --> 01:53:58,024
tobacco is big tobacco is still big tobacco. But what

1926
01:53:58,024 --> 01:54:00,404
these states are probably going to go after is the

1927
01:54:00,404 --> 01:54:02,534
same thing that happened. And I need to talk to

1928
01:54:02,534 --> 01:54:05,774
Rob, the constitutional lawyer, because, you know, Rob used to

1929
01:54:05,774 --> 01:54:07,634
be on the other side of things. And I hope

1930
01:54:07,634 --> 01:54:10,584
he's listening. So he'll let me know. I'm sure was

1931
01:54:10,584 --> 01:54:15,714
the master. I'm sure. The master settlement agreement, I think

1932
01:54:15,714 --> 01:54:19,984
it was called, where every single state gets X amount

1933
01:54:19,984 --> 01:54:24,034
of tax money from tobacco sales to, you know, that

1934
01:54:24,034 --> 01:54:29,464
is supposed originally intended to. for health care for people

1935
01:54:29,464 --> 01:54:33,604
who were dying of lung cancer and other smoking-related illnesses.

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01:54:33,824 --> 01:54:36,794
I'm pretty sure that at this point that's been folded

1937
01:54:36,794 --> 01:54:41,004
into state budgets, which is why When vaping became popular,

1938
01:54:41,004 --> 01:54:43,974
that had to go away right away because it's not

1939
01:54:43,974 --> 01:54:46,924
tobacco. It's only nicotine. And all the states were going

1940
01:54:46,924 --> 01:54:49,724
to lose all of this tobacco tax revenue. So it

1941
01:54:49,724 --> 01:54:53,434
could come down to that, which would be interesting for

1942
01:54:53,434 --> 01:54:56,274
the states to tax or for there to be some

1943
01:54:56,274 --> 01:55:01,564
kind of statewide, maybe federally mandated tax in a master

1944
01:55:01,564 --> 01:55:04,434
settlement agreement. But hopefully I'll have more news on that

1945
01:55:04,434 --> 01:55:07,124
for you on Sunday. Here's Kara again. Even if the

1946
01:55:07,124 --> 01:55:11,944
court ultimately awards smaller damage, instead of $1.4 trillion. The

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01:55:11,944 --> 01:55:15,444
four states are also seeking changes to how Meta's platforms

1948
01:55:15,444 --> 01:55:20,964
operate. What changes could that be? How would it theoretically

1949
01:55:20,964 --> 01:55:25,084
fundamentally change Meta? Well, you could see what happened in

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01:55:25,084 --> 01:55:27,304
New Mexico, where they think they're on the hook for

1951
01:55:27,304 --> 01:55:30,044
900 million. In this case, many people think it'll be

1952
01:55:30,044 --> 01:55:33,064
around two, even the states, 200 billion. You know, it's

1953
01:55:33,064 --> 01:55:37,684
got to be a significant number. Infinite scrolling. The way

1954
01:55:37,684 --> 01:55:39,944
they deal with teens and how they bring teens in

1955
01:55:39,944 --> 01:55:42,774
and keeping teens off the platform. All manner of addictive

1956
01:55:42,774 --> 01:55:46,144
things they try to do to keep you there. Disclosure

1957
01:55:46,144 --> 01:55:50,084
of privacy of what they're taking from you. The harvest,

1958
01:55:50,084 --> 01:55:53,844
really. All manner of things. But there's just all kinds

1959
01:55:53,844 --> 01:55:56,174
of things they could do. And then a disclosure of

1960
01:55:56,174 --> 01:55:59,204
the impact that they know they're having on people. Not,

1961
01:55:59,204 --> 01:56:02,194
again, unsimilar to the cigarette trials that went on. And

1962
01:56:02,194 --> 01:56:04,364
there were hundreds of them before they really started to

1963
01:56:04,364 --> 01:56:07,984
hurt these companies. So over $1 trillion. Let's listen to

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01:56:07,984 --> 01:56:11,964
the prosecutor in the case because, you know, it's –

1965
01:56:12,304 --> 01:56:15,804
It's marketing on their part, but I think there's so

1966
01:56:15,804 --> 01:56:18,254
much truth to it. And, of course, this is always

1967
01:56:18,254 --> 01:56:20,754
about the children. Think of the children. Please think of

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01:56:20,754 --> 01:56:25,324
the children. I would say adults have more knowledge. issues

1969
01:56:25,324 --> 01:56:28,954
with addictiveness of social media and algorithms than children at

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01:56:28,954 --> 01:56:31,724
this point. So this is for you, kids. Good afternoon,

1971
01:56:31,724 --> 01:56:34,684
everyone. I'm Rob Bonta, California Attorney General. Thank you for

1972
01:56:34,684 --> 01:56:40,034
being here in Oakland. And so we are teaming up

1973
01:56:40,034 --> 01:56:43,544
here in our efforts to hold Meta accountable. Today, of

1974
01:56:43,544 --> 01:56:45,734
course, was the first day of trial. It'll be a

1975
01:56:45,734 --> 01:56:51,144
five to seven week trial. But today, both... the attorneys

1976
01:56:51,144 --> 01:56:56,194
general and meta laid out our cases and i'm probably

1977
01:56:56,194 --> 01:57:00,024
biased but i found our case to be incredibly compelling

1978
01:57:00,024 --> 01:57:04,244
devastating in the presentation the jury seemed very focused on

1979
01:57:04,244 --> 01:57:06,284
hanging on every word that was being said and we

1980
01:57:06,284 --> 01:57:09,964
of course heard from the first witness a whistleblower engineer

1981
01:57:09,964 --> 01:57:13,804
from meta who was in charge of of child safety

1982
01:57:13,804 --> 01:57:18,584
while there who talked about the fact that Metta knew

1983
01:57:18,584 --> 01:57:22,584
the harms that it was visiting upon children but failed

1984
01:57:22,584 --> 01:57:28,134
to act. He also talked about their motto, their culture,

1985
01:57:28,134 --> 01:57:31,144
if you will, which was to move fast and break

1986
01:57:31,144 --> 01:57:34,934
things. Unfortunately, the thing that was broken here was the

1987
01:57:34,934 --> 01:57:38,134
mental health of our children. Oh, there you go. That's

1988
01:57:38,134 --> 01:57:40,574
a good one. Mental health of our children and their

1989
01:57:40,574 --> 01:57:45,204
parents. And. It's not looking good for Meta, and this

1990
01:57:45,204 --> 01:57:48,684
is much less about Facebook and more about Instagram. Highly

1991
01:57:48,684 --> 01:57:54,904
addictive and I think very successful for advertising. The influencer

1992
01:57:54,904 --> 01:57:58,484
market is all about Instagram. That's where advertising money is

1993
01:57:58,484 --> 01:58:02,444
flowing. And Meta was not honest when they were asked

1994
01:58:02,444 --> 01:58:07,234
about Instagram. their practices in Congress. We laid out our

1995
01:58:07,234 --> 01:58:12,024
case today, which is essentially this, that Meta has designed

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01:58:12,024 --> 01:58:18,904
and deployed dangerous product, a dangerous product with dangerous features

1997
01:58:18,904 --> 01:58:24,404
that they knew would create excessive use and compulsive use

1998
01:58:24,404 --> 01:58:29,204
by children, and it would create mental health harms, including

1999
01:58:29,204 --> 01:58:33,964
things like anxiety and depression, like body image issues, like

2000
01:58:33,964 --> 01:58:39,383
addictive tendencies, like learning loss. They knew ourselves. all that.

2001
01:58:39,383 --> 01:58:43,533
They knew their product was dangerous, and they lied to

2002
01:58:43,533 --> 01:58:47,404
the public. They lied to Congress. They told the public.

2003
01:58:47,984 --> 01:58:50,074
They told the world that their product was safe, that

2004
01:58:50,074 --> 01:58:53,584
it wasn't dangerous. And so their deception, their lies are

2005
01:58:53,584 --> 01:58:56,914
at the core of our case. And we are excited

2006
01:58:56,914 --> 01:59:01,094
about how our first day of trial went. We're excited

2007
01:59:01,094 --> 01:59:04,064
about the opportunity to hold Metta accountable for its conduct.

2008
01:59:04,644 --> 01:59:07,744
And we look forward to taking this case all the

2009
01:59:07,744 --> 01:59:10,884
way to the end here and getting the appropriate remedies,

2010
01:59:10,884 --> 01:59:14,484
both injunctive relief, changes in behavior, changes in business practices

2011
01:59:14,484 --> 01:59:17,904
going forward, as well as the appropriate financial penalties. I'm

2012
01:59:17,904 --> 01:59:20,004
telling you, I got to get Rob, the constitutional lawyer,

2013
01:59:20,004 --> 01:59:22,364
on to talk about this because it feels... It feels

2014
01:59:22,364 --> 01:59:25,604
so much like the tobacco trials, which I witnessed. And

2015
01:59:25,604 --> 01:59:30,234
maybe even Dana Brunetti produced the social network. I wonder

2016
01:59:30,234 --> 01:59:32,844
if he has any insights of what really went on.

2017
01:59:33,384 --> 01:59:35,424
A couple of things I want to highlight. Between our

2018
01:59:35,424 --> 01:59:40,534
investigation and our investigation, and disclosures from former insiders, whistleblowers,

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01:59:40,534 --> 01:59:43,164
folks who used to work at Meta. We have proof

2020
01:59:43,164 --> 01:59:47,924
that Meta knows that Metta knows that Instagram is harmful

2021
01:59:47,924 --> 01:59:51,984
to a significant percentage of teenagers. How about breaking boomers?

2022
01:59:52,344 --> 01:59:55,704
The boomers are broken from this stuff, not just teenagers.

2023
01:59:55,964 --> 01:59:59,604
Expand, expand the lawsuit. Especially teen girls.

2024
02:00:00,250 --> 02:00:05,000
Meta knows that. Meta knows that more than 13% of

2025
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:10,170
teen girls on Instagram say the platform makes thoughts of

2026
02:00:10,170 --> 02:00:15,700
suicide and self-injury worse. Meta knows that. They know that

2027
02:00:15,700 --> 02:00:23,320
17% say it makes eating issues worse. And 32% say

2028
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:27,780
it makes body images worse. Meta knows that. Meta knows

2029
02:00:27,780 --> 02:00:31,400
that certain key features can push users into harmful content.

2030
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:36,090
Meta knows that the like button leads teens to compulsively

2031
02:00:36,090 --> 02:00:40,650
engage with the platform. Meta knew all of that and

2032
02:00:40,650 --> 02:00:45,910
more quickly. and decided to do more of it, to

2033
02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:49,470
dig in deeper, to double down on that conduct, on

2034
02:00:49,470 --> 02:00:57,980
those practices. And now the kicker. Zuckerberg himself overruled his

2035
02:00:57,980 --> 02:01:02,800
staff who thought this was a bad idea. Mark Zuckerberg.

2036
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:14,560
Founder? Chairman? CEO of Meta? personally personally. Axed Meta's proposed

2037
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:19,720
policy to ban image filters that simulated the effects of

2038
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:24,800
plastic surgery despite internal pushback. From his own team. His

2039
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,520
own employees were telling him he shouldn't do this. And

2040
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:31,830
an expert consensus that such filters harm users' mental health,

2041
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:39,260
especially women and girls. Mr. Zuckerberg himself chose profits over

2042
02:01:39,260 --> 02:01:44,900
the safety of children. He was presented with a choice.

2043
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:48,540
Where his own staff was telling him, this will hurt

2044
02:01:48,540 --> 02:01:51,320
kids if you do it. We think you shouldn't do

2045
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:56,620
it. And he overruled them and said, do it. Knowingly

2046
02:01:56,620 --> 02:02:01,040
harming kids. And then later, telling the world that their

2047
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:08,830
product was safe. Okay, yes, go on. I want to

2048
02:02:08,830 --> 02:02:11,760
get this out there because I am a proud nutfister.

2049
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,800
You know what I do? I'll just take the bag,

2050
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:16,820
the whole bag, as much as I can in my

2051
02:02:16,820 --> 02:02:19,510
mouth. If you're grabbing the nuts like this with your

2052
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:22,730
fingers, and you're trying to get more than one at

2053
02:02:22,730 --> 02:02:24,960
a time, which of course is normal, and you're going

2054
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,570
to put them in your mouth. I mean, they're pushing

2055
02:02:26,570 --> 02:02:29,680
together, they're spraying out, they're dropping everywhere. I mean, the

2056
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:31,900
most logical way is you take them, you let them

2057
02:02:31,900 --> 02:02:34,080
sit in your fist, and then you shake them into

2058
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:38,330
your mouth. Now you take the nut bag... Take the

2059
02:02:38,330 --> 02:02:41,500
whole bag of nuts, the whole bag into your fist

2060
02:02:41,500 --> 02:02:45,200
and shake them. It looks like you're a jackass. Oh

2061
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:47,210
my God, I'm one of those guys that you would

2062
02:02:47,210 --> 02:02:50,590
be fucking losing your mind over. Take how many nuts

2063
02:02:50,590 --> 02:02:53,620
you want in your palm, like just take the nuts

2064
02:02:53,620 --> 02:02:55,620
in your mouth that way. You get some salt in

2065
02:02:55,620 --> 02:02:58,130
your palm, that's about it. That's the way you eat

2066
02:02:58,130 --> 02:03:01,240
the nuts. Okay. That's good. Just take as much as

2067
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:02,890
I can in my mouth and have maybe penis in

2068
02:03:02,890 --> 02:03:05,600
my mouth. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. I like those

2069
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:09,420
two ways. It's like right to your balls. Big swollen

2070
02:03:09,420 --> 02:03:13,960
balls and big giant basketball-sized balls. You can do two

2071
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:19,770
fists. No. No good. No good. Hey, a remix of

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02:03:19,770 --> 02:03:23,760
Carbacal. Classic, the fisting nuts. I thank you, ID Pop,

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02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:26,680
for JC's Deez Nuts. We'll put that in the show

2074
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:31,510
notes. Value for Value podcast always will be, always has

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02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:34,540
been working in our 19th year. We can do at

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02:03:34,540 --> 02:03:38,500
least 20. I'm pretty sure of that. Very simple. All

2077
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:42,340
you have to do is... Decide to send some value

2078
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:44,040
back to the show if you got any value out

2079
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:47,900
of it. It's really that easy. It's time, talents, treasure.

2080
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:51,660
What we ask is that whenever you think, oh, man,

2081
02:03:51,660 --> 02:03:54,780
that was good. That helped me. There was some reason

2082
02:03:54,780 --> 02:03:57,840
that this was good for me. You can organize a

2083
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,070
meetup. Then we got a lot of them on deck

2084
02:04:00,070 --> 02:04:04,620
for today. You can, you know, tell people about the

2085
02:04:04,620 --> 02:04:07,910
podcast. That's been working out pretty well in the past

2086
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:12,280
18 plus years. And obviously you can also send us

2087
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:17,240
your treasure and we'll be thanking people. executive producers, associate

2088
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:21,240
executive producers, and above $50, never below $50 for reasons

2089
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:25,620
of anonymity. I want to thank the artist for episode

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02:04:25,620 --> 02:04:32,200
1895 titled XY You're Out. Francisco Scaramanga was chosen by

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Darren and Larry with the electric glove, I guess the

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shock glove that – has been a topic of discussion

2093
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:44,380
for ice. NoahGenerator.com. I wasn't a part of the decision

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for that one, so I can't really comment on any

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02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:48,420
of the other ones, but I'll be happy to do

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that on Sunday's show. Looking forward to that. And... Now,

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I'll thank the people who have supported us with their

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treasure. Got quite a few of them, starting off with

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Jim and Catherine Boudreau, I think it is, from Carlisle,

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Massachusetts. They sent in $2,000, and I don't know, this

2101
02:05:07,180 --> 02:05:10,840
might have been a check, and they have a note.

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which I will read. Adam Mimi and the Dvorak family,

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02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:16,540
in honor of John, no jingles, no karma, no titles.

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Okay, $2,000, you sure? You can always come back. We'll

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02:05:20,050 --> 02:05:21,890
keep it in abeyance for you. Thank you all for

2106
02:05:21,890 --> 02:05:25,360
No Agenda, which is our go-to source for media deconstruction

2107
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:29,340
and an effective mood lifter that is addicting with good

2108
02:05:29,340 --> 02:05:33,170
side effects. We'll deeply miss John and his perspective on

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02:05:33,170 --> 02:05:37,070
so many things that us boomers share. With deep, heartfelt

2110
02:05:37,070 --> 02:05:40,530
sympathy, we pray for John, Mimi, and their family. We'll

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02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:43,060
continue to listen to Adam & Co. wherever that leads

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us. Godspeed to Noah Jen the Nation, V2 2.0. Sincerely,

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02:05:48,110 --> 02:05:52,560
Jim and Catherine Boudreau from Carlisle, Massachusetts. Thank you. Then

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02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,470
we have a note from the, this is the Fort

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02:05:55,470 --> 02:05:59,420
Lauderdale meetup. This is the one that Andrew Horowitz hosted.

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02:06:00,460 --> 02:06:04,880
$615 total donation from producers for meetup 88. And I've

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02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:08,940
been asked to read these notes. Here we go. Beach

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02:06:08,940 --> 02:06:12,080
House Las Olas, Fort Lauderdale was a success. We met

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beautiful people from near and far. uh fredericks maryland no

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02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:21,240
less fredericksburg maybe just fredericks shared stories laughed commiserated and

2121
02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:25,800
connected because connection is protection jcd's podcasting partner of 18

2122
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:29,130
plus years andrew horowitz from dh unplugged joined us with

2123
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:31,790
trivia and prizes and said the show will go on

2124
02:06:31,790 --> 02:06:37,290
be patient and keep listening uh excuse me From Scott

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02:06:37,290 --> 02:06:40,850
Auld, part of the meetup, sending condolences and love to

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02:06:40,850 --> 02:06:42,990
the Dvorak and Curry families and all of Noah Jenner

2127
02:06:42,990 --> 02:06:45,760
Nation. Thank you for your courage, your friends at Winning

2128
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:49,470
the Week with Scott Auld. From Sir Skibbity. Please, there's

2129
02:06:49,470 --> 02:06:52,470
my son, Jens Mathra. A happy 20th birthday. I'm pretty

2130
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:55,300
sure we did that on the previous episode. From Michelle

2131
02:06:55,300 --> 02:06:57,980
and Sir Skibidi, if Adam has any hot tips about

2132
02:06:57,980 --> 02:07:01,010
Jens testing for his fixed-wing pilot's license, yeah, I remember

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02:07:01,010 --> 02:07:02,450
this one, in a few weeks, that will be a

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02:07:02,450 --> 02:07:04,940
bonus. My donation is for his future knighthood, but it's

2135
02:07:04,940 --> 02:07:07,610
also an investment in the continued operation of both No

2136
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:10,100
Agenda and DH Unplugged. From Lipset, I'll see you next

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02:07:10,100 --> 02:07:14,180
time. Leslie Hoxahatchee. My love and prayers go out to

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02:07:14,180 --> 02:07:16,720
Mimi and family, Adam and family, and the entire No

2139
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:20,570
Agenda family. As many have also experienced, I was hit

2140
02:07:20,570 --> 02:07:23,910
hard and feel like I lost a family member. Thank

2141
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:27,500
you, Dame Free Free and Andrew Horowitz from DH Unplugged

2142
02:07:27,500 --> 02:07:30,550
for organizing an incredible JCD memorial. We had a wonderful

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02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:33,370
turnout and a great time remembering together. I hope you

2144
02:07:33,370 --> 02:07:35,970
can continue this incredible legacy. It makes a huge positive

2145
02:07:35,970 --> 02:07:38,090
difference in my life and I know in the lives

2146
02:07:38,090 --> 02:07:41,180
of others. Love you, mean it. Just send your cash

2147
02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:45,300
from Chimp and Captain Brunch, Daryl and Larry. Thank you,

2148
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:47,840
Daryl and Larry. Thank you for keeping the show going.

2149
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:54,540
God bless and peace out. Stan Whitten, $333.88, an obvious

2150
02:07:54,540 --> 02:07:57,820
J.C. nod there from Perry, Florida. Says, in the morning

2151
02:07:57,820 --> 02:07:59,360
I was hit in the mouth by Adam on his

2152
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:02,660
first Glenn Beck appearance. I wonder if Glenn Beck has

2153
02:08:02,660 --> 02:08:06,090
left the blaze and now he's got the torch and

2154
02:08:06,090 --> 02:08:08,110
he's moved to Florida. I don't know if it's going

2155
02:08:08,110 --> 02:08:10,260
to be easy to get on anymore. I'd like to.

2156
02:08:10,700 --> 02:08:13,230
I tuned in because he said John C. Dvorak was

2157
02:08:13,230 --> 02:08:16,540
involved. I loved hearing John's voice of reason on the

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02:08:16,540 --> 02:08:19,370
Twit network until I could no longer stomach listening to

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02:08:19,370 --> 02:08:21,800
nearly every other voice there. I have to say now,

2160
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:25,500
though, that Adam's conversion and his unabashed love of Jesus

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02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:30,380
Christ has been a true godsend for me. Amen. It's

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02:08:30,380 --> 02:08:33,340
added a depth to my faith, and I didn't realize

2163
02:08:33,340 --> 02:08:36,180
I needed it. Please keep going in that direction, Adam.

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02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:39,050
I'm certain that you are changing lives. Well, that's exactly

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02:08:39,050 --> 02:08:40,680
why I started We Get to Do This with Pastor

2166
02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:45,660
Jimmy, WGTDT.com. I heard about JCD's passing on the We

2167
02:08:45,660 --> 02:08:47,560
Get to Do This podcast. Well, there you go. Hit

2168
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:49,560
me like a ton of bricks. I will mirror what

2169
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:51,840
so many others have said. I can't believe how deeply

2170
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,710
I've been affected by the loss of a man I

2171
02:08:53,710 --> 02:08:56,790
never personally knew. His wit, clarity, and humor were a

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02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:59,980
part of my life, and the world genuinely feels different

2173
02:08:59,980 --> 02:09:02,740
without him. I hear you. Prayers and love to the

2174
02:09:02,740 --> 02:09:06,380
entire Dvorak family and loved ones. You want to please

2175
02:09:06,380 --> 02:09:12,880
de-douche me? You've been de-douched. Thank you for everything you

2176
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:16,910
continue to do in memo format to honor JCD and

2177
02:09:16,910 --> 02:09:20,470
get this on the record. Thank you to John Roberts,

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02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:24,620
Redlands, California, $250, associate executive producership for you. So sad

2179
02:09:24,620 --> 02:09:27,600
to learn of JCD's passing. My condolences to the Dvorak

2180
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,440
family for their loss. I have followed JCD since the

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02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:35,150
1980s, Byte, Tech TV, Twit, and No Agenda. JCD is

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02:09:35,150 --> 02:09:39,840
witty, fiercely independent, great sense of humor, skilled and irreplaceable.

2183
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:43,480
Amen to that, John Roberts. And there's Linda Lepatkin coming

2184
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:46,090
in from Castle Rock, Colorado. Thank you for sticking with

2185
02:09:46,090 --> 02:09:49,900
the show, Linda, $200. And she says, AI can write

2186
02:09:49,900 --> 02:09:53,370
your resume. The problem is... It can write everyone else's,

2187
02:09:53,370 --> 02:09:57,400
too. Linda helps professionals and executives figure out what makes

2188
02:09:57,400 --> 02:09:59,980
them different, what makes them valuable, and turns...

2189
02:10:00,042 --> 02:10:03,602
that value into a resume that gets results. Go to

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02:10:03,602 --> 02:10:08,382
ImageMakersInc.com. That's ImageMakersInc with a K. And Linda Liu, Duchess

2191
02:10:08,382 --> 02:10:13,202
of Jobs, writer of resumes, because your resume should do

2192
02:10:13,202 --> 02:10:19,402
more than look good. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's

2193
02:10:19,402 --> 02:10:27,352
vote for jobs. Yay! Nisah. Karma. Paul Krulik from Binghamton,

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02:10:27,352 --> 02:10:30,592
New York. $200. Also sent in a note. He says,

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02:10:30,592 --> 02:10:33,592
Darren and Larry, you're rocking it. John, if you can

2196
02:10:33,592 --> 02:10:36,072
hear me. When you got to heaven and met Jesus,

2197
02:10:36,072 --> 02:10:39,112
I hope you didn't give him a wine recommendation. I

2198
02:10:39,112 --> 02:10:41,802
hear he's pretty good at making his own. Also, when

2199
02:10:41,802 --> 02:10:44,542
you drank his wine, capital H, I hope you didn't

2200
02:10:44,542 --> 02:10:47,562
say Costco, $15. That might get you a transfer to

2201
02:10:47,562 --> 02:10:51,002
a hot place. Thank you, Paul. That is actually it

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02:10:51,002 --> 02:10:55,392
for our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1896.

2203
02:10:55,732 --> 02:10:58,322
Now, you know that besides being credited in the show

2204
02:10:58,322 --> 02:11:02,222
notes, that means that you also can take these official

2205
02:11:02,222 --> 02:11:06,822
Hollywood credits and use them anywhere they are recognized. I

2206
02:11:06,822 --> 02:11:11,252
recommend going to imdb.com. It's not auto. By the way,

2207
02:11:11,252 --> 02:11:13,962
some people said, hey, man, I got an associate executive

2208
02:11:13,962 --> 02:11:16,612
producership, but I wasn't on IMDB.com. You got to do

2209
02:11:16,612 --> 02:11:19,182
that part yourself. But when you go there, you'll see

2210
02:11:19,182 --> 02:11:22,542
that it'll be recognized along with thousands of other associate

2211
02:11:22,542 --> 02:11:27,692
and executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out.

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02:11:28,152 --> 02:11:30,092
We hit people in the mouth. We hit people in

2213
02:11:30,092 --> 02:11:43,572
the mouth. West! Running down the rest of our list,

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02:11:43,572 --> 02:11:47,812
50 and above, Sir Jules Reed in Salem, Oregon, 18888.

2215
02:11:47,892 --> 02:11:50,462
Thank you. There's Nathan Cochran from Mercy Me coming in

2216
02:11:50,462 --> 02:11:55,452
from Franklin, Tennessee. Thank you, Nathan. Multiple knighthoods for you.

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02:11:55,672 --> 02:11:59,082
You really need to claim your new title, my good

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02:11:59,082 --> 02:12:04,012
sir. 123.45, Mansoor Rod in Alpharetta, Georgia, Alpharetta. Also, one,

2219
02:12:04,012 --> 02:12:08,252
two, three, four, five. Eric Kessler, Kansas City, Missouri, 100.

2220
02:12:08,712 --> 02:12:11,052
Keep up the deconstructing of media. This pushes me into

2221
02:12:11,052 --> 02:12:13,612
a night. Oh, wonderful. I think we'll see you on

2222
02:12:13,612 --> 02:12:16,772
the show. At the roundtable. Mitch Free from Concord, California,

2223
02:12:16,772 --> 02:12:19,842
$100. He says, always knew this day would come and

2224
02:12:19,842 --> 02:12:22,352
still doesn't make it any easier. Rest in peace, JCD.

2225
02:12:22,872 --> 02:12:24,802
You are one of a kind. I recently tweeted my

2226
02:12:24,802 --> 02:12:27,762
enthusiasm for the new direction of the show, which got

2227
02:12:27,762 --> 02:12:31,302
tons of engagement and promised to donate. So here it

2228
02:12:31,302 --> 02:12:36,032
is. James Hawkins, Sam Marcos, California, 100. Countess Knight from

2229
02:12:36,032 --> 02:12:40,492
Edmonds, Washington, 100. Amy Yoder from Forest Hill, Missouri, 100.

2230
02:12:40,772 --> 02:12:46,492
Benjamin Ditzler from Chattanooga, Tennessee, 9364. And he says, your

2231
02:12:46,492 --> 02:12:48,342
wisdom has shaped how I view the world, and I'm

2232
02:12:48,342 --> 02:12:51,132
a better man because of it. Rest in peace, John

2233
02:12:51,132 --> 02:12:56,032
C. Dvorak. Baronet Baylor, Grafton, Wisconsin, 8888. Make good for

2234
02:12:56,032 --> 02:13:01,012
me. I donated 8888 on 8-9. PayPal was strange, but

2235
02:13:01,012 --> 02:13:03,822
my CC shows payments and returns. No money went to

2236
02:13:03,822 --> 02:13:05,952
you, but my note did. So here's the make good.

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02:13:06,092 --> 02:13:09,462
Baronet Baylor, a.k.a. Sir Cameron Chris. Thank you. Sir Brindlehorse,

2238
02:13:09,462 --> 02:13:14,222
Mount Laurel, New Jersey, 8888. And he says he wants

2239
02:13:14,222 --> 02:13:18,372
an F cancer for his dad, who shook his head

2240
02:13:18,372 --> 02:13:21,892
and says, there's no way Dvorak is younger than me.

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02:13:22,152 --> 02:13:29,532
Oh, there you go. Stop me, Dad! You've got karma.

2242
02:13:30,332 --> 02:13:33,702
We always break for the F cancers. Rita Harrington... Dame

2243
02:13:33,702 --> 02:13:37,902
Rita Nara Harrington from Sparks, Nevada, 8833. Much appreciation to

2244
02:13:37,902 --> 02:13:39,922
you guys and all the No Agenda producers. Thank you

2245
02:13:39,922 --> 02:13:42,432
for your courage. Sir Kevin McLaughlin, there he is with

2246
02:13:42,432 --> 02:13:46,792
the boob donation, $80.08, Concord, North Carolina. He says he's

2247
02:13:46,792 --> 02:13:49,882
the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. We

2248
02:13:49,882 --> 02:13:53,422
know it. Thank you so much. Justin Texera, Lakeland, Florida,

2249
02:13:53,422 --> 02:13:57,312
80080. Also, the boobs coming in from Ted McLeod Morris

2250
02:13:57,312 --> 02:14:01,432
in Harvard, Illinois. And we've got 6996 from Dame Becky

2251
02:14:01,432 --> 02:14:05,902
in Arlington, Washington. And the small boobs from Les Tarkowski

2252
02:14:05,902 --> 02:14:10,512
in Kingman, Arizona, 6006. Like Adam said, small boobs. Never

2253
02:14:10,512 --> 02:14:13,222
thought of the Route 66. I guess it may have

2254
02:14:13,222 --> 02:14:18,152
a dual meaning. Yes, it could. Scott McEntee. Encinitas, California,

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02:14:18,152 --> 02:14:22,472
60. Baron Henry of Outpost West in Ranchos Palos Verdes,

2256
02:14:22,472 --> 02:14:29,812
California, 59.92. No beret, $58.30. Congratulations to you, No Agenda.

2257
02:14:29,812 --> 02:14:34,072
TNG for some fabulous shows. Both I and Austrian Anarchy

2258
02:14:34,072 --> 02:14:36,602
vote for you to recruit Sir Gene of Texas to

2259
02:14:36,602 --> 02:14:40,002
the show and talk some Tyler Robinson and Candace Owens

2260
02:14:40,002 --> 02:14:44,582
action. Really? Is that really what you want? Or get

2261
02:14:44,582 --> 02:14:47,342
his buddy dude named Ben named Ben of Texas to

2262
02:14:47,342 --> 02:14:49,992
speak truth about the agents of Rome. Okay, I'd like

2263
02:14:49,992 --> 02:14:52,552
to talk to him about some power stuff, you know,

2264
02:14:52,552 --> 02:14:55,972
like data center power. Send love and crullers to Curry,

2265
02:14:55,972 --> 02:15:02,022
please. No underscore beret at x.com for pointy chicks and

2266
02:15:02,022 --> 02:15:05,522
Mopars. Totally not a spook. Gotcha. Double nickels on the

2267
02:15:05,522 --> 02:15:08,462
dime from Dean Roker. Thank you. Corey Cotton from Cleveland

2268
02:15:08,462 --> 02:15:12,272
Heights, Ohio. Also double nickels on the dime. August 22nd

2269
02:15:12,272 --> 02:15:16,412
birthday donation. Corey Cotton, Cleveland Heights, Ohio. 55 trips around

2270
02:15:16,412 --> 02:15:20,092
the sun on the 22nd. Also the 25th anniversary of

2271
02:15:20,092 --> 02:15:22,972
my first skydive. What else can be said about JCD?

2272
02:15:23,112 --> 02:15:24,782
We all miss him a lot. Good vibes to the

2273
02:15:24,782 --> 02:15:29,762
Dvorak family. Blue skies to Buzzkill. Kevin Kincaid, Belton, Missouri,

2274
02:15:29,762 --> 02:15:35,122
55. Craig Knowlesley in Cumberland, B.C., 5430. Says I'm up

2275
02:15:35,122 --> 02:15:40,432
to episode 51. Wow. Going back from episode one. No

2276
02:15:40,432 --> 02:15:42,932
agenda is not about media deconstruction. It's all about wine

2277
02:15:42,932 --> 02:15:46,382
and restaurant reviews. It certainly was then. Now I'm waiting

2278
02:15:46,382 --> 02:15:49,522
on how the Obama MILF in the Curry condo building

2279
02:15:49,522 --> 02:15:53,132
pans out. It didn't work out. Love you guys. No

2280
02:15:53,132 --> 02:15:57,642
homo. Catherine McLaughlin, Boise, Idaho, $5,272. Kento, Rourke, Frostburg, Maryland,

2281
02:15:57,642 --> 02:16:03,572
$5,272. Andrew Benz, Imperial, Missouri, $50. and a nickel. These

2282
02:16:03,572 --> 02:16:07,472
are the 50s. Linda Reed, Glenview, Illinois, Scott Lavender, Montgomery,

2283
02:16:07,632 --> 02:16:12,292
Texas, Noah McDonald, Traverse City, Michigan, Michael Sikora, Lake Elmo,

2284
02:16:12,292 --> 02:16:17,472
Minnesota, Rich Malloy, Greenwich... Connecticut. Thank you for all the

2285
02:16:17,472 --> 02:16:19,932
great listening pleasure you've given me over these many years.

2286
02:16:19,992 --> 02:16:21,592
It was my pleasure and honor to be one of

2287
02:16:21,592 --> 02:16:24,712
your many assistant producers. I think you mean associate executive

2288
02:16:24,712 --> 02:16:27,672
producers, but assistant is good, too. Thank you. Amy Galinas

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in Burien, Washington. Grant Clift. Cherryville, North Carolina. Andrew Gusek

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in Greensboro, North Carolina. Terrence Boyer, Tuscola, Illinois. Ryan Aceto

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02:16:37,472 --> 02:16:42,672
in Argyle, Texas. Leanne Shipley, Covington, Washington. And Jason Marr

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winds out our 50s. And he is from Vancouver, Washington.

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02:16:47,112 --> 02:16:50,222
Thank you all so much. We appreciate the support. Continue

2294
02:16:50,222 --> 02:16:53,412
to support all your favorite podcasts. especially if they're value

2295
02:16:53,412 --> 02:16:57,272
for value. You know, Spotify these days is throwing up

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02:16:57,272 --> 02:17:02,172
skip buttons for ads that they didn't sell. The system

2297
02:17:02,172 --> 02:17:05,352
is kind of breaking at the seams, but I think

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02:17:05,352 --> 02:17:09,102
No Agenda is a fine example of how Things can

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02:17:09,102 --> 02:17:12,532
work without commercials, without corporate money. Value for value. Go

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to noagendadonations.com. Consider setting up a recurring donation. Any amount,

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02:17:16,632 --> 02:17:19,892
any frequency that you wish, it's all up to you.

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When you get the value, send it back. Noagendadonations.com. It's

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02:17:23,842 --> 02:17:30,432
a brand. I say... And just in case we didn't

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02:17:30,432 --> 02:17:32,842
do it, I thought we did, Sir Skibbity wishes his

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02:17:32,842 --> 02:17:35,672
son Jens Mathery a very happy birthday. Here you turn

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02:17:35,672 --> 02:17:38,762
20 on August 12th. And don't worry about your fixed-wing

2307
02:17:38,762 --> 02:17:41,872
license. It's a license to fly. You'll do fine. And

2308
02:17:41,872 --> 02:17:46,522
Corey Cotton turns 55 on the 22nd. Happy birthday from

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02:17:46,522 --> 02:17:49,442
everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. It's

2310
02:17:49,442 --> 02:17:52,852
your birthday, yeah. We do not have any title changes.

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02:17:52,992 --> 02:17:55,732
We do, however, have two knightings, and we missed one

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02:17:55,732 --> 02:17:58,772
from Dennis Hahn. He says, I'm just getting caught up

2313
02:17:58,772 --> 02:18:01,572
on last week's shows, and for show 1893, en banc,

2314
02:18:02,252 --> 02:18:04,772
I donated $93.64 to the show, which put me over

2315
02:18:04,772 --> 02:18:07,972
the threshold for knighthood. Larry read my note with my

2316
02:18:07,972 --> 02:18:11,512
request to be knighted, Sir Zephyr of the Valley. Defender

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02:18:11,512 --> 02:18:14,002
of the lands of cows and beer. When it came

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02:18:14,002 --> 02:18:16,892
time for the nighting ceremony, Darren neglected to include my

2319
02:18:16,892 --> 02:18:19,522
name with the other knights. Oh, no. Sir Hasmaticus, when

2320
02:18:19,522 --> 02:18:21,912
he called the new knights to step up to the

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02:18:21,912 --> 02:18:24,182
podium. I realize with the chaos of the past couple

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02:18:24,182 --> 02:18:26,282
of weeks and Darren and Larry getting the lay of

2323
02:18:26,282 --> 02:18:28,822
the land with the show, things can get missed. So

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I'd like to request that I be included in Thursday's

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night. Yes, Dennis Hahn, Menominee. Menominee. Oh, Menominee. Beautiful. Menominee

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Falls in Wisconsin. So I will only one blade here,

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02:18:42,632 --> 02:18:44,002
but you'll just have to do it with mine if

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02:18:44,002 --> 02:18:48,442
you don't mind. Dennis Hahn, step right up, sir. You,

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02:18:48,442 --> 02:18:51,542
along with Eric Kessler, now both become Knights of the

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No Agenda Roundtable, and I'm very proud to pronounce the

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KB as Sir Eric Kessler and Sir Zephyr of the

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Valley, Defender of Lands of Cows and Beer. For you,

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02:19:02,672 --> 02:19:05,312
we've got some cows and beer. Also, hookers and blow,

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02:19:05,312 --> 02:19:08,182
rent boys and chardonnay, cookies and vodka, rye whiskey and

2335
02:19:08,182 --> 02:19:11,492
a fistful of nuts, melancholy. Yellow, Yellow, Zero. We've got

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Costco, Cabernet, Sauvignon. If that doesn't do it for you,

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Ruben S, Ruben and Wave, Rosé, Gaisha's and Sake, Vodka,

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Manila, Bonghead Suburban, Sparkling Cider and Esports, Ginger Ale and

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02:19:21,582 --> 02:19:24,752
Gerbils, Crest Milk and Pablam, and as always at the

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round table, the mutton and the mead. Welcome. Go to

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noagendarings.com. You still have some beautiful rings for dames and

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02:19:33,412 --> 02:19:35,672
for knights. All we need is your ring size. There

2343
02:19:35,672 --> 02:19:37,772
is a ring sizing guide right there. You can use

2344
02:19:37,772 --> 02:19:39,752
that. Send that off to us with an address to

2345
02:19:39,752 --> 02:19:43,462
send your ring. And welcome to the roundtable. Also, we'll

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02:19:43,462 --> 02:19:48,092
have a special order of the ants. pin, which I

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02:19:48,092 --> 02:19:50,612
believe was teased in the newsletter. If not, we'll put

2348
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it in for Sunday so you can see that. This

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02:19:52,972 --> 02:19:56,412
will be something very special and ramp up to the

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02:19:56,412 --> 02:19:59,992
now in production No Agenda Johnson

2351
02:20:00,054 --> 02:20:05,424
memorial challenge coin, which is just stellar to see. I've

2352
02:20:05,424 --> 02:20:08,094
seen the renderings of it. I can't wait for everybody

2353
02:20:08,094 --> 02:20:09,844
to be able to get a hold of one of

2354
02:20:09,844 --> 02:20:13,794
those. Thank you again for supporting us. No agenda donations

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02:20:13,794 --> 02:20:23,644
dot com. No agenda. Be up. All right, we got

2356
02:20:23,644 --> 02:20:26,544
a lot of meetup reports, which is great. Most of

2357
02:20:26,544 --> 02:20:31,824
these are JCD memorial meetups. This is the IDPOP report.

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02:20:31,824 --> 02:20:36,244
Oh. Hit it. There's no agenda meetup at the Alibi

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02:20:36,244 --> 02:20:40,404
Room in Vancouver. This is Sir Peption, or Winston Smith,

2360
02:20:40,404 --> 02:20:42,264
or Tim Wright, or whatever you want to call me.

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02:20:42,724 --> 02:20:46,604
It's been a great time. Here's our host... It's ID

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Pop here in Railtown, Vancouver, B.C. No zephyrs to report,

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02:20:51,014 --> 02:20:56,044
but it is like a party. Hello, future Dame Claudette

2364
02:20:56,044 --> 02:20:59,044
in the morning. Glad to be here with the crew.

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02:20:59,264 --> 02:21:02,724
Connection is protection. We miss you, John. We miss you,

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02:21:02,724 --> 02:21:08,404
John. In the morning, my name is Ella. I'm from

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Vancouver, B.C. And I serve the No Agenda podcast show

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02:21:14,104 --> 02:21:19,364
at the Alibi Room in Gaston. Adios, mofos. Hui hui.

2369
02:21:20,084 --> 02:21:24,724
No sweat off my balls. Here's the Bay Area Abe's

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02:21:24,724 --> 02:21:28,044
Exit Strategy Meetup Report. That's right. Hello, this is Abe

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02:21:28,044 --> 02:21:31,144
from Abe's Exit Strategy from the Bay Area Meetup Report.

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02:21:31,144 --> 02:21:35,134
Hello. This is Sir Recalcitrant Crazy Steve II. I just

2373
02:21:35,134 --> 02:21:38,254
want to say rest in peace to JCD. And also

2374
02:21:38,254 --> 02:21:42,404
congratulations to Abe moving to the Central Valley and working

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02:21:42,404 --> 02:21:47,554
with his chemistry teacher. This is Sareesh Meister. We miss

2376
02:21:47,554 --> 02:21:51,714
you, John. We love you. So, dude, name Ben, name

2377
02:21:51,714 --> 02:21:56,834
Ben. Duke of San Francisco. I am greatly missing JCD,

2378
02:21:56,834 --> 02:22:03,564
and we're having wonderful stories and just memories and nostalgia

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02:22:03,564 --> 02:22:08,444
here. In the morning. In the morning. In the morning.

2380
02:22:08,584 --> 02:22:14,624
R.I.P. John. R.I.P. John. R.I.P. John, indeed. R.I.P. Aww. Langley,

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British Columbia. Hey, we're here at the WWJCDD meetup in

2382
02:22:20,584 --> 02:22:25,014
Aldergrove. We wanted to think about and remember John. We

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02:22:25,014 --> 02:22:27,564
had some wine, we had some mac and cheese, and

2384
02:22:27,564 --> 02:22:30,924
we remembered a great man. This is ID Pop, raising

2385
02:22:30,924 --> 02:22:34,014
a glass of red and dando some mac and cheese

2386
02:22:34,014 --> 02:22:37,984
in honor of John C. In the morning. Ah, yes.

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Kraft sock is up on the amount of mac and

2388
02:22:40,254 --> 02:22:43,364
cheese that has been consumed in the wake of John's

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02:22:43,364 --> 02:22:45,404
passing. And here's a long one, but this was a

2390
02:22:45,404 --> 02:22:47,614
big one and a good one. It was the Northern

2391
02:22:47,614 --> 02:22:52,504
Silicon Valley in memory of John meetup. In the morning.

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This is Sir Recalces and Crazy Steve II here. Here.

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02:22:56,424 --> 02:23:03,784
at the northern Silicon Valley in memory of JCD meetup.

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02:23:04,444 --> 02:23:07,264
And I am so grateful for these meetups and all

2395
02:23:07,264 --> 02:23:15,054
the friends that JCD helped me obtain. Sir Julian here,

2396
02:23:15,054 --> 02:23:20,094
celebrating the life of JCD. Is anyone going to eat

2397
02:23:20,094 --> 02:23:25,704
that meatloaf? Aaron, Night of the Strawberry Fog here. Thoughts

2398
02:23:25,704 --> 02:23:30,884
and prayers. Hey, it's Josh in the morning to Johnny

2399
02:23:30,884 --> 02:23:35,144
Ogden and Rodney out there in memory of JCD. So

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02:23:35,144 --> 02:23:39,564
wonderful to connect with all the No Agenda producers. And

2401
02:23:39,564 --> 02:23:42,004
I got a Sun Microsoft beanie hat out of it.

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02:23:43,304 --> 02:23:50,184
This is Angela Garcia from San Francisco, RIP JCD. This

2403
02:23:50,184 --> 02:23:54,884
is Sir Tim Death. Thank you for your courage. Lydia

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02:23:54,884 --> 02:23:59,304
of the Shire here at Pizzeria Violetta, they were so

2405
02:23:59,304 --> 02:24:04,984
good to us. And dear John, everyone misses you. Sir

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02:24:04,984 --> 02:24:09,894
Montauk, what a meetup. This is Abe. I'm here at

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02:24:09,894 --> 02:24:12,894
the meetup, maintaining connections for my protection. Rest in peace,

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02:24:12,894 --> 02:24:16,774
John. This is Sir Reichmeister. We miss you, John. We

2409
02:24:16,774 --> 02:24:20,484
love you. Thank you for everything you've done. Thank you.

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02:24:22,024 --> 02:24:26,284
this is sir dude named benonymous thank you jcd rip

2411
02:24:26,284 --> 02:24:30,644
and thank you for your courage this is dame audra

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02:24:30,644 --> 02:24:35,734
we miss you john this is dr don and guide

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02:24:35,734 --> 02:24:40,474
dog brody love to the devorex curries and horowitz's we

2414
02:24:40,474 --> 02:24:45,764
miss you john Black Knight Robert celebrating the best podcast

2415
02:24:45,764 --> 02:24:51,904
in the universe. Woo! Amy from the Santa Cruz Mountains.

2416
02:24:52,464 --> 02:24:57,824
Keep the community going. Peace, everyone. This is Jay. Just

2417
02:24:57,824 --> 02:25:01,744
thank you for a wonderful meetup. Yeah, Brennan the deadbeat

2418
02:25:01,744 --> 02:25:05,244
and the voice. Holding the fort down here in northern

2419
02:25:05,244 --> 02:25:09,104
Silicon Valley. This is Dame Lindsay of the House Hunters.

2420
02:25:09,204 --> 02:25:11,514
I brought 33 pounds of cookies for Milana, and this

2421
02:25:11,514 --> 02:25:15,704
is my sister Lauren on the slide whistle. Ah! This

2422
02:25:15,704 --> 02:25:18,524
dude named Ben, named Ben, Duke of San Francisco, and

2423
02:25:18,524 --> 02:25:20,884
the spirit of JCD is alive and well at this

2424
02:25:20,884 --> 02:25:24,734
meetup. We're all just having such a fantastic time. Connections

2425
02:25:24,734 --> 02:25:29,304
protection. This is Sir Lavish the Red, and I know

2426
02:25:29,304 --> 02:25:31,924
more about the vinegar book than you could possibly imagine.

2427
02:25:33,844 --> 02:25:37,904
Baroness Sarah Rupert of Pizzeria Violetta, otherwise known as Violet's

2428
02:25:37,904 --> 02:25:42,404
Mom. We ate pineapple on the pizza in John's memory.

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02:25:43,824 --> 02:25:48,564
This is Sir Jonathan of Pizzeria Violetta. Just happy to

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02:25:48,564 --> 02:25:51,284
be part of this and celebrate the life of JCD.

2431
02:25:51,504 --> 02:25:57,224
And in case anyone's wondering, I ate the meatloaf. This

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02:25:57,224 --> 02:26:02,844
is... Who am I? Mimi? This is Mimi. And John,

2433
02:26:02,844 --> 02:26:05,314
you missed a great meetup. This is one of the

2434
02:26:05,314 --> 02:26:07,584
best. Of course, maybe it was because you weren't here.

2435
02:26:07,664 --> 02:26:13,844
It was so great. This is JC, John's son, and

2436
02:26:13,844 --> 02:26:19,304
all you douchebags out there, it's finally time to donate.

2437
02:26:19,304 --> 02:26:24,804
Thank you. That's how it's done. That's how it's done.

2438
02:26:25,844 --> 02:26:31,054
In the morning! A few more to go, Syl. Here's

2439
02:26:31,054 --> 02:26:35,604
Riverside, California, Leo Bravo doing his 79th meetup. Hey, everybody.

2440
02:26:35,724 --> 02:26:42,814
It's Leo Bravo at meetup number 79. Hello. Hello. Here

2441
02:26:42,814 --> 02:26:48,394
in Riverside meeting up, sharing stories of JCD. So glad

2442
02:26:48,394 --> 02:26:54,344
I got to experience his presence and study under him

2443
02:26:54,344 --> 02:26:58,854
and get my Ph.D. under the professor JCD. Hey guys,

2444
02:26:58,854 --> 02:27:02,584
ITM, Baron OG Godcaster here. All the best to everybody.

2445
02:27:02,864 --> 02:27:05,724
Lovely lady Leanne here. And I just want to say

2446
02:27:05,724 --> 02:27:08,544
we are praying for you and we love you guys.

2447
02:27:08,684 --> 02:27:10,374
And we look forward to seeing what's going to come

2448
02:27:10,374 --> 02:27:14,034
in the future. Have a wonderful evening. ITM. Sir dude

2449
02:27:14,034 --> 02:27:17,694
named Mike from Not That Paris here. R.I.P. John. Hey,

2450
02:27:17,694 --> 02:27:22,204
guys. It's Sir Leah Kim Fopop. I'm saying R.I.P. John.

2451
02:27:22,564 --> 02:27:26,174
And Rush is the greatest Canadian band ever. Greetings. This

2452
02:27:26,174 --> 02:27:28,744
is Angie from the Ranch hanging out at Leo Bravo's

2453
02:27:28,744 --> 02:27:33,124
meetup over at Hangar 24. Having a great time. Still

2454
02:27:33,124 --> 02:27:35,604
sending all our love to Mimi and the family. Good

2455
02:27:35,604 --> 02:27:40,954
morning. From California, we go to Rockaway Beach with Joe,

2456
02:27:40,954 --> 02:27:44,154
Tony, and Johnny C. Hey, this is Joe in Rockaway

2457
02:27:44,154 --> 02:27:47,984
Beach doing the media report. We got Tony and John

2458
02:27:47,984 --> 02:27:52,734
here. Let me say hi. This is Tony C. I

2459
02:27:52,734 --> 02:27:57,104
do name Tony C. RIP JCV. This is Johnny C.

2460
02:27:57,104 --> 02:28:01,464
RIP John C. Dvorak. I've been reading your material ever

2461
02:28:01,464 --> 02:28:07,524
since InfoWorld way back in the day. Awesome. And here's

2462
02:28:07,524 --> 02:28:12,164
our awesome Gloria server. Hi, I'm Katie. I'm from Rockaway

2463
02:28:12,164 --> 02:28:15,464
Beach Pickleball and Golf. These guys were awesome to have

2464
02:28:15,464 --> 02:28:22,974
here today. I really appreciated having their company. Booyah! RIP

2465
02:28:22,974 --> 02:28:26,264
JCD. I love it when you get the servers on.

2466
02:28:26,344 --> 02:28:28,254
You've got to include them in your report. They can

2467
02:28:28,254 --> 02:28:31,584
plug their establishment. Do that more often. Three Mile Island,

2468
02:28:31,584 --> 02:28:34,124
the evac zone. Summer toast to John is our last

2469
02:28:34,124 --> 02:28:36,794
one. This is Chris with the Three Mile Island evac

2470
02:28:36,794 --> 02:28:40,334
zone. Toast to John summer meetup. John once gave me

2471
02:28:40,334 --> 02:28:44,024
a B on my limerick after many C's. It's JC.

2472
02:28:44,024 --> 02:28:48,504
with the great re-tease, which John was infatuated by. One

2473
02:28:48,504 --> 02:28:51,974
episode when I made a donation, he said the great

2474
02:28:51,974 --> 02:28:58,134
re-tease four or five times. It's Sir 737 here with

2475
02:28:58,134 --> 02:29:04,494
Mrs. 737. We are here memorializing the great and wonderful

2476
02:29:04,494 --> 02:29:08,674
John C. Dvorak, who can never be replaced, but we

2477
02:29:08,674 --> 02:29:12,034
look forward to what is to come for the No

2478
02:29:12,034 --> 02:29:17,084
Agenda show and the meetup community. We'll miss your 3x3s,

2479
02:29:17,084 --> 02:29:20,514
John. I'm sad to say I'm still a douchebag, but

2480
02:29:20,514 --> 02:29:22,974
I hope to fix that someday. John, you're long and

2481
02:29:22,974 --> 02:29:24,944
gone, but I think you did it on purpose. This

2482
02:29:24,944 --> 02:29:29,024
is Amish Anonymous. You called me a Mish Anonymous too

2483
02:29:29,024 --> 02:29:32,324
many times. Anyway, old age and treachery will always conquer

2484
02:29:32,324 --> 02:29:34,974
youth and ambition. Just keep that in mind before you

2485
02:29:34,974 --> 02:29:37,874
get out of line there, Adam. John T. DeBorak, a

2486
02:29:37,874 --> 02:29:41,504
great man. We will miss you dearly. Mr. Gears, night

2487
02:29:41,504 --> 02:29:45,464
of secondhand memes. Over and out. John, we'll miss you.

2488
02:29:45,464 --> 02:29:49,204
No one can replace you. But... we're looking forward to

2489
02:29:49,204 --> 02:29:51,494
the future. This is Sir Bebenauer, first time in a

2490
02:29:51,494 --> 02:29:55,034
meet-up. Just want to send love and light to the

2491
02:29:55,034 --> 02:29:59,234
Currys and the Dvoraks. Hey there, it's Sir Parker Pauly.

2492
02:29:59,234 --> 02:29:59,924
Greetings

2493
02:30:00,030 --> 02:30:04,160
from Pennsylvania. A great group of people here. My condolences

2494
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:10,510
to Mimi and the Dvorak, to Adam and Tina. Just

2495
02:30:10,510 --> 02:30:14,520
lift up No Agenda Nation. We're honored to raise a

2496
02:30:14,520 --> 02:30:18,600
glass and fist some nuts in celebration of John. And

2497
02:30:18,600 --> 02:30:20,990
I'm the server. This is a great group. We really

2498
02:30:20,990 --> 02:30:23,980
love you. I enjoyed having them at Evergreen. Love it.

2499
02:30:24,120 --> 02:30:27,050
Another server. Thank you so much, everybody. Love those meetup

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02:30:27,050 --> 02:30:31,120
reports. Keep them coming. Today, there is a Charlotte's Thirsty

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02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:34,250
Third Thursday meetup at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina

2502
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:38,300
at 7 o'clock. On Friday, the ITM Richmond Empty Room

2503
02:30:38,300 --> 02:30:44,290
at Tribal... Crossing in Fulton, Richmond, Virginia at 4.30. Saturday,

2504
02:30:44,290 --> 02:30:48,690
we've got Fort Wayne Club 33 JC Wine Review and

2505
02:30:48,690 --> 02:30:51,690
Vinegar Book meet up at 1 o'clock in Cibala's Mexican

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Grill in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Also on Saturday, the I

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Don't Buy It, just Chicago, JCD Memorial, 2 o'clock at

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Island Pizza Hut in Chicago, Illinois. The 22nd, also Saturday,

2509
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let's honor the legendary JCD, 6 o'clock at JJ's Pie

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Company in Reno, Nevada. Flippers and the formula on Saturday,

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2 o'clock in Chattanooga at the Pinball Museum in Chattanooga,

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Tennessee. On Sunday, the Indy NA August JCD Greek slash

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Irish Wake. That's going to be a banger. It's Dame

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Maria and Sir Mark of the Greenwood, 3 o'clock at

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Blind Owl Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana. You've got to beat

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02:31:29,230 --> 02:31:33,320
that one. Also, the Antichrist. in the Antipods, or Antipodes,

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Antipodes, 3.33, Aussie East Standard Time, that is at the

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Gasoline Pony in New South Wales, Aussie Land. Sir Chris

2519
02:31:42,110 --> 02:31:45,870
the Drunken Minstrel will be hosting that, so please go,

2520
02:31:45,870 --> 02:31:48,920
I want to hear a meetup report. The Central Arkansas

2521
02:31:48,920 --> 02:31:51,770
JCD Memorial meetup will also take place on Sunday at

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02:31:51,770 --> 02:31:55,440
6. 6 o'clock in Arkansas, and you've got to check

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02:31:55,440 --> 02:32:01,420
the... Noagentameetups.com for details. Dude named Jarrett now in Arkansas

2524
02:32:01,420 --> 02:32:03,650
will be hosting that. Coming up the rest of this

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02:32:03,650 --> 02:32:07,120
month, Maastricht in Limburg in the Netherlands on the 28th,

2526
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:11,920
the 29th. Nanaimo, British Columbia, also on the 29th. Albuquerque,

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02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:15,930
New Mexico, Rhode Island, Zurich, Switzerland on the 29th. Chester

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Springs, Pennsylvania on the 30th and Rolfebvre. Valley, North Carolina,

2529
02:32:19,140 --> 02:32:21,260
also on the 30th. We've got a lot more meetups.

2530
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The calendar is full, but never too full to have

2531
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yours added there. So go to noagentameetups.com. You can find

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out where a meetup is taking place near you. And

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as always, it's free to attend. It's free to set

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02:32:34,140 --> 02:32:37,020
one up. Every single time you go to a meetup,

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02:32:37,020 --> 02:32:39,600
you will find connection that will give you protect protection.

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02:32:40,020 --> 02:32:43,040
These people are always your first responders in an emergency.

2537
02:32:43,740 --> 02:32:47,720
NoahGenerMeetups.com. If you can't find one yourself, start one yourself.

2538
02:32:47,880 --> 02:32:51,630
It's easy and always a party. Sometimes you want to

2539
02:32:51,630 --> 02:32:56,580
go hang out with all the nights and days. You

2540
02:32:56,580 --> 02:33:00,070
want to be where you want me. Triggered on hell's

2541
02:33:00,070 --> 02:33:10,660
play. Yeah. It feels the same Well, it's very weird

2542
02:33:10,660 --> 02:33:13,580
to be starting and ending a show without my friend,

2543
02:33:13,580 --> 02:33:17,910
partner, and fellow broadcaster, John C. Dvorak, but he is

2544
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:22,250
in my thoughts and definitely in my prayers for real

2545
02:33:22,250 --> 02:33:25,720
every single day. Thank you all for being here. Trolls,

2546
02:33:25,720 --> 02:33:30,610
thank you. Trollroom.io, noagendastream.com. I forgot to mention that, of

2547
02:33:30,610 --> 02:33:34,160
course, we have the wonderful modern podcast apps that make

2548
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:37,770
it all possible. When you get the bat signal, you

2549
02:33:37,770 --> 02:33:41,990
can listen live. And, of course, always on the podcast

2550
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:46,600
podcast. If you're using a modern podcast app at podcastapps.com,

2551
02:33:46,900 --> 02:33:51,060
you'll get notified within 90 seconds of us publishing. Now,

2552
02:33:51,060 --> 02:33:54,120
if you are listening live, stay tuned because we've got

2553
02:33:54,120 --> 02:33:57,230
grumpy old dames coming up next. They will be bringing

2554
02:33:57,230 --> 02:33:59,700
you the dead man's curve. I'm not sure what that

2555
02:33:59,700 --> 02:34:02,270
means. No under show mixes because I play them in

2556
02:34:02,270 --> 02:34:04,800
the show now, so they're just show mixes. Send them

2557
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:08,610
to me, adamaccurry.com. Thank you all for being here. Thank

2558
02:34:08,610 --> 02:34:14,960
you to Rob Dew from alexjoneslive.com. Much appreciated, brother. And

2559
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:17,970
I look forward to seeing everybody back here on Sunday

2560
02:34:17,970 --> 02:34:21,800
with another special guest. I'm sure it'll be fun when

2561
02:34:21,800 --> 02:34:24,000
I figure out who it's going to be. Until then,

2562
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:29,640
remember us at noagendadonations.com for the value for value. Adios,

2563
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:47,900
mofos. Hooey, hooey. And such. mofo dvorak.org slash n a

2564
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:51,400
nanny nanny boo boo stick your head in doo doo