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Adam Curry. It's Thursday, September 10th, 2026. This is your

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award-winning Gitmo Nation media assassination, episode 1902. This is no

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agenda. I am traveling back from Rotterdam, the Netherlands, to

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Austin and then back to the hill country. So today,

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for episode 1902... Special, best of, no agenda, these are

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the MTV Chronicles. Enjoy! I am lead for manned traffic.

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That's one small step for man, one giant leap for

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Anyways, I do have one print story if you're interested.

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mankind.

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I do have one print story if you're interested. I

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think we'd share one with the No Agenda audience. one

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And this relates to... I think it was 90, 1991.

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And I was in Minneapolis. And I sent you the

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link for this earlier, John. I was, it was probably

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one of the, I've only done three commercials for real

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products back in the heyday when I was Mr. MTV

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guy. And one of them was for Sam Goody Musicland,

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which no longer exists. It doesn't exist anymore. It's gone,

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right? I'm pretty sure it's gone. And the biggest store

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is at Mall of America, which, of course, is in

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Minneapolis. Oh, I didn't know that. That was not the

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biggest store. It was in Manhattan. At the time. And

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that's where it was going to be done. The store

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was huge. And so it's kind of like a spinal

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tap where I'm pretending to be on a tour, some

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fantastic tour. You know how all these commercials, they always

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have to have a slide so you can put the

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current offers on it. And so with almost like a

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completely different voice in the commercial, you hear blank. Like

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the Bengals. Milli Vanilli. You know, like all these great

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people I'm on tour with, but it's really, it's the

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Sam Goody Music Land tour. And, you know, I'm going

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around, running around backstage and kind of like spinal tap.

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This is the best concert I've ever been on. And

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then I go to the stage, open the doors, and

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then, of course, I open into the store. And that's

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the stage or something. How creative. It's in the show

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notes and it's one of the lamest things you've ever

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seen. It fits perfectly. It paid. Not very much, but

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it was, I think it was maybe. It was a

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buyout, maybe $5,000, maybe. It was, you know, not a

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good deal, but back in the day. Anyway. So I

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was there for three or four days and the second

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night, it's a quarter to midnight, I'm in the hotel

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and it was a professional shoot. Everything was really well

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done, a nice hotel room and the phone rings at

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11:45. I pick it up and say, "Yeah, hello, is

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this Adam Curry?" Yeah. Prince wants to know if you

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want to come to a party at his house tonight.

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And I say, let me think about it. Yeah. And

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he's good because the car's downstairs waiting for you when

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you are. I'm like, this is classy. And this, you

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know, this is the 91. What was I? I was

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in the late 20s. And holy shit. Sure enough, there's

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a car, you know, black town car downstairs. And the

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guy's just no word spoken, just get in, takes me

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off. And then, you know, we go towards what people

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have now seen on the news along the highway. There's

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Paisley Park, and it's all lit up in purple. And

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it's, you know, drive up to the gate. The gate

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opens and go in, and there's metal detectors, which in

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91, metal detectors at the airport was, you know, kind

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of like throw your keys down, you know, your shoes

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would never go off or anything like that. It wasn't

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all that. you know like but it was odd you

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never saw metal detectors anywhere else except at the airport

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back in those days so go into this completely white

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room everything's white and it's the lighting's a bit dim

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but it's just all you see is white there's no

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real color uh it's a uh you know it's a

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uh rectangle so on one side like the short side

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of the room there's a uh a dj standing kind

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of on built-up ironworks you know it's like scaffolding and

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he's playing some Prince tracks I've never heard in my

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life before. Along the long side of the room, there's

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a buffet from end to end, and it's nothing but

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fresh fruit and juices. There's no alcohol, no alcohol, no

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anything else, all just fresh ice sculptures, dripping stuff, and

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wall-to-wall beautiful people, maybe 70 or 80 people. And this

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is what heaven's like, obviously. Beautiful people, healthy food. And

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it's in Minnesota, who knew? And I saw that there

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was one or two of the extras from the commercial,

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of course we're all beautiful, from the commercial shoot were

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there. Like, hey, how are you guys doing? Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. So we're hanging out and Prince was standing over

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next to the DJ kind of hanging out just off

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to the side by himself. I said, I'm going to

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go over and thank him for the party. And they

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went, no, no, no, no, no, you can't do that.

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You can't do this. What are you talking about? No,

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no, no, it's, uh, you're too tall and you're too

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white. I'm like, are you kidding me? This was really

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the perception. You really shouldn't go talk to him at

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all. I was like, fuck that. I go over. I

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say, hey, I'm Adam. Thanks for inviting me. This is

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very cool. He says, hey, good you came. I love

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the thing you did on Halloween with your daughter. That

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was fantastic. I really loved how you scared her, but

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she was kind of having fun. He had seen everything.

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across as like some miniature man. Just seemed pretty, pretty

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normal. Yeah, and then I really didn't have much left

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to say. I was like, hey, man, well, all right,

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well, thanks. Yeah, enjoy. That was it. And then maybe

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an hour or so later, you know, 2 a.m., the

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party's over, which is signified by Prince's guys coming through

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this room saying nothing, just kind of walking slowly amongst

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everybody, flashing their flashlights on the ground. And everyone just

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kind of flows out and the car was still there

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waiting for me took me back And now that was

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his little private concert hall. He had in there. Yeah.

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Yeah, how big was it? It was really high, so

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I'd say it would be like... uh like the size

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of an aircraft hanger for um but not you know

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for more like a a gulfstream not for a not

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for a seven series anything but really high so about

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that size and and the same type of high school

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gym Three-quarters that size. The high school gym? Yeah. So

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it was a medium-sized little hall. Yeah, it wasn't any

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huge one by any means. um And there was this

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other time that I stayed at Dan Hartman. Remember Dan

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Hartman? Do you remember him? No. He had Relight My

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Fire, I Can Dream About You. You don't remember? No.

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Oh, how about Edgar Winter, Free Ride? Do you remember

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that? Oh, yeah, of course. He used to play in

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the city a lot. And Dan played bass for them.

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So I was staying at his house one time in

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Connecticut. A friend of mine was recording at his studio

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at home, which back in the early 90s, you had

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an SSL studio at your house? That was crazy. But

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he had bought this with the studio from someone else.

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What's SSL means? Oh, Solid State Logic. Those were the

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big, you know, the 24 or 48 track mixers before

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we got into real full digital. But these were Solid

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State. That was a big deal back in the day.

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above the studio in the attic, I found all these

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boxes and somehow these are all masters, Prince masters of

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him in the studio, but you know, not mixed. It

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was just the 24 track tapes. He said, I'll put

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it on and listen to it. It was unbelievable. You

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hear Prince, you know, setting his own mic, setting his

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own levels. It was mind boggling how good, and shit

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you never heard before or have ever heard again, I

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guess. Who knows what will come out now. Yes. Did

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you ever fly Concorde? No, I missed that shoot. I

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flew that four times. Did you poop on it? Hell

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yeah! Four times? What would be the point? Let me

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tell you, though, it was not a luxurious poop. The

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Concorde was very uncomfortable. It's like a little tube. I

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could barely stand up in the entire plane, and the

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seats are very narrow, although the legroom is nice, and

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there's no movie, or there was no movie, because there

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wasn't enough time to start the movie. So basically, you

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just sat there getting warm because at a certain point,

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about two hours into it, the fuel is depleted, and

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the fuel was actually used, talking the past tense to

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cool the aircraft down which extends in flight it actually

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grows and to top it off i had a drunk

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liza minnelli behind me chattering the whole way it was

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annoying Life's tough. At least I didn't pay for it.

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Do you know who is a huge collector of Texas

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art, in particular Alamo-related art? No. Phil Collins. Wow, that's

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odd. Yeah, and he has his whole collection. Su-Su-Studio? The

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studio guy, yeah. Or one more. Well, the Genesis guy.

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Phil. Phil Collins. We all know Phil. Phil. Phil hates

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me. He hates you. Yeah. There was a period in

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the 80s where we would always be bumping into each

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other. I'd have to interview him if it wasn't, you

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know, at some, at Wembley Stadium for some kind of...

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um you know one of those benefit shows he would

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be in my studio and then a certain point he'd

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just say oh curry too tall too much hair i

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hate you and he would walk away Yeah. It was

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loving. It was loving. I think it was love.

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form of love. Yeah. It was in the air tonight.

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it was he that told the story or if it

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was one of the crew guys. But he had a,

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in one of his concerts, he decided to have a

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catapult kind of behind. Yeah. The catapult kind of behind

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the band, and it was held down by these, I

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guess, rubber... Rubber bands. Pull-downs. And I guess a rubber

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band was going to pull the thing forward, and the

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catapult had a pocket that was filled with chicken guts.

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And the idea was that they were going to release

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at some point in the song, they were going to

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release, they're going to cut it loose and the catapult

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is going to fly forward and throw chicken guts all

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over the audience. Nice. But what happened was Ozzy ended

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up, they had a guitar solo or something that ran

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on way too long, and the rubber bands got kind

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of stretched and loose. They didn't have enough oomph to

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make the thing fly. So according to the story, the

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catapult flies up and kind of just drops all the

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chicken guts on Ozzy. That's a good one. It seems

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like a believable story. Maybe I should. I've told her

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before. Maybe I should tell my Aussie story since people

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are always complaining. I don't talk about my old MTV

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stories. Nobody's complaining. No, I got an email the other

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day saying, hey, you need to talk more about your...

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Hey, tell some stories here, you know? Your story's the

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only thing we lifted a show waiting for some stories

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from you. Tina's great. Hey, Adam, tell the Prince story.

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Yeah, yeah, tell the Madonna story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell

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the Aussie story. So I'll tell the Aussie story. People

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have heard it, but I'll tell it again. Moscow Music

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Peace Festival, you know the big CIA op. We all

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went to Moscow and to get the kids to love

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the Scorpions just before the wall came down. I'll just

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cut straight to the chase because I didn't know that

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at the time, but it makes a lot of sense

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now. So we leave from Newark Airport, and it's a

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crappy, I think it was a Stretch 727. Do you

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remember those? Was it 727 or 737, the Stretch? No,

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no, it was the 27. 727 Stretch, which looks like

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they could snap in half at any moment. They were

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funny looking. Yeah, and so that's what they chartered, Doc

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McGee. Oh, yeah, I should mention the whole reason for

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the concert is because Doc McGee, who managed Bon Jovi

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and Motley Crue at the time, and busted in Florida,

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bringing like some unbelievable amount of marijuana into the country.

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And so they got to him and they said, hey,

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instead of what's that in your mouth on this picture,

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they said, look, why don't you organize a concert for

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us in Moscow? and bring all your bands over there

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and then we'll psyop the children. By the way... The

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kids in Moscow, this is '88, I think, '88, '89.

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had no idea who Bon Jovi or Motley Crue were.

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They had no idea who Skid Row was. They didn't

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care. You know who they knew? Ozzy. They knew Ozzy

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Osbourne, and they had all these bootleg cassettes that came

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in from Pakistan, and they knew Ozzy. So we're on

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the plane. It's a crappy plane. No one's in first

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class, so everyone's annoyed, and everyone's on edge. Of course,

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this was supposed to be a... Hold on. The part

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of the story that I didn't know before, I don't

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think you told that part before, coming along because they

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wanted to do this. They needed to do something in

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Moscow and they needed a front. Yeah. No, but the

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whole thing... It makes sense to me. It's a great

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idea. The whole thing was to get the... Remember, the

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Scorpions were there. The Scorpions were a German band, and

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they had the Wind of Change, which is the only

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hit they ever had that they didn't write themselves. Coincidence.

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And that was the wind of changes. And that was

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the big anthem when the wall came down, not but

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a year, year and a half later. um so i'm

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i'm there's all kinds of things there's an op involved

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there's there's a definite op involved but i'm the only

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person from mtv who goes along like this is dynamite

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so how come you're the only one because wouldn't anybody

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wouldn't somebody else want to go I think they only

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offered it to one person. And I did headbangers balls,

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so I was appropriate. I was the guy. And I

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had the hair and everything. And I don't know. I'm

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happy that they told me to go. I'm sure the

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I'm sure you know what? I'm sure that downtown Julie

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Brown was not having it. She's like, no, I'm not

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going to go to Moscow, to Russia. Of course, this

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was still Iron Curtain stuff. So anyway, we're on the

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plane. And this whole concert, this whole affair is billed

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as an anti-drugs, anti-alcohol concert. That was the front. Like,

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we're doing this because we're going to show we can

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have good, clean fun to the Russian kids. And we're

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on the plane. Everybody's hammered. They're drunk as skunks, all

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of them. and Ozzy was there, Geezer Butler was there,

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Tommy O. I mean, there was a lot of Black

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Sabbath was there. Whatever was still alive or barely alive.

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And Sharon, who at the time, this is way before

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the Osbournes reality show. This is way before Ozempic. And

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Sharon was a big roly-poly British housewife. Now, she was

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tipping the scales. And she's like... Very timid, didn't have

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the big mouth that she has now. And so at

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a certain point, Ozzy gets up and he has to

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go to the bathroom. He's like, and so there's a

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laboratory. You got his voice down. There's a laboratory mid

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section of the plane and it's occupied. 'cause we're kind

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of in the second, the back half of the plane.

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And so Ozzie's standing there, "Sharon, Sharon, Sharon." And she's

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like, "Oh Ozzie, just wait, Sharon." And what does Ozzie

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do? He pees his pants right there in the aisle.

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probably the saddest thing I've ever seen in rock and

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roll ever. That is pretty pathetic. And that's my Aussie

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story. That's uplifting. Well, this does give us a unique

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opportunity since we have more than one. Ladies and gentlemen,

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the No Agenda In Memoriam segment. I went back into

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the VHS archives. Because in show business, you get to

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say, yeah, I worked with him. *laughs* Don't you have

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that? Oh, yeah. No, I work with him. Great guy.

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Big fan of his work. Big fan. Big fan of

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his work. Yeah. So we first have two clips. We

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go back to 1988 to the plane ride to Moscow

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known as the Magic Bus or the Get Doc McGee

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Out of Jail Free Trip. Here's Adam interviewing Ozzy. Yeah,

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News from the magic bus on our way to the

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Soviet Union and no strangers to the ball of course

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Ozzy and Zach. Guys, good to have you aboard. Well,

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are we aboard? It's like a flying madhouse. Are we

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actually flying is the question. I haven't checked recently. I

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don't know what the pilot's doing up there, but he's

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flying on autopilot. I hope it's on automatic pilot because

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I hope no humans are. I thought you were flying

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it. I think I was at one point. So you

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just finished up the complete world tour. Yeah, I just

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I just did 13 months. We're doing these two shows

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in Moscow, and we're up for about a month or

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so, and then I start writing and recording at home.

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I understand Pete Townsend is in one of the back

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clubs. He's in a soundproof booth. Ozzy, we're going to

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take a look at breaking all the rules. Anything you

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want to say about the video? Oh, it was a

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lot of fun making it. Yes, yes. In-depth questions during

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this interview. Ozzy, was it fun making the video, Ozzy?

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I had every single rock radio station in America call

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me yesterday. Hey, man, hey, you work with Ozzy, right?

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What was he really like? Oh, man, we had such

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good times together. But then, then, oh no, we have

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Hulk Hogan. 71 is definitely too early. And I was

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able to retrieve from 1993. the infamous rocket car of

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death during Circus of the Stars as Hulk Hogan and

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Adam Curry worked together and loved each other's work. Big

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fans. Big fans. Hi, I'm Hulk Hogan here at Universal

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Studios Florida where Adam Curry thought he was taking a

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break from music videos. However, we're putting him right back

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into MTV and that stands for Mucho Terrifying Vehicle. Yeah!

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He'll take the ride of his life in a 600-pound

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rocket car. Traveling at roller coaster speed, he'll be catapulted

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into space, dropping 50 feet on his way to a

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fiery, frightening crash landing. Are you ready, Rocket Man?

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Good job, Kevin. - You got it, Gray. What a

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Oh my god, let's keep our fingers crossed. There he

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is. He's giving us a signal he's okay. He's okay.

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He lives. Adam, how'd you like to see what we

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just saw you do in slow motion, dude? Yeah, let's

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take a look at it, Gray. Oh, what?

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ride that was. It was so hot. I got the

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headache from. Man. MTV's macho, terrific, wonderful Adam Curry. coming

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up right after this right after these messages You gotta

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see it. Roller coaster speeds. Yeah, I don't know. Well,

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yeah, it was roller coasters. Roller coasters average about 45

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miles an hour. It's very terrifying, John. In my rocket

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car of death. You should post that video. It's on

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YouTube. No. It's on the YouTubes. Yeah. 1993 Circus of

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the Stars with my co-host Deirdre Hall. Boy, I've come

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a long way. Yeah, have you kept in touch? Have

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I kept in touch? At least Hulk Hogan will go

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to heaven. We know that. That's a good, I don't

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know. I've been to Moscow's airport. So Moscow, you go

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into this airport, which was, I think, new at the

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time. And the place is dark. I mean, literally dark.

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And there's gypsy kids running around all over the place,

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pickpocketing people in the terminal. What year was this, John?

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What year were you there? About one year before the

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fall of communism, which was some kind of horrible. Oh,

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me too, like 88, 89? Yeah, something like that. Yeah,

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that's when I was there. Oh, interesting. Yeah, well, I

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wouldn't have been able to see it because it's so

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dark in the airport, in the terminal. But anyway. I'll

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be wearing the red rose. There was the funny scenes

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were besides the kids running around, there was also one

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in the entire airport. There was one automatic door that

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opened and closed to let people in and out. And

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it was surrounded by kids who kept jumping up and

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down on the thing to open and close the door.

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Yeah, exactly. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're right. It wasn't

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like an Argus-based or electronic eye. It was a mat.

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It was a mat. Pressure mat. that would open it

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up. Right. So you can't get out that door. And

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meanwhile, I talked to somebody about this, why the place

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was so dark, by the way, and some guy told

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me that, well, the deal is that it was designed

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by a German company and they specced out all these

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lights. There's all these little bulbs that were inset and

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kind of cans. The whole ceiling was covered with them.

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But there was no light coming out of them. He

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said the Germans specced this thing out to a certain

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wattage bulb, not to a certain lumen. And when they

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used Russian bulbs, They got about half the lumens out

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of them, so the place was pitch black. I was

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there with the Moscow Music Peace Festival. Do you remember

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that? No. Oh, that was, uh... Do you want to

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get this story? Are you interested? Yeah, yeah, no, sure.

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Okay, so Doc McGee, I don't know if that name

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means anything to you. Yeah, it rings a bell. Yeah,

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very famous manager of bands. And in the 80s, he

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was the manager of Bon Jovi, Motley Crue. Those are

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the two big ones. And he had been caught, I

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don't know if he was, I think either he had

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rented the Learjet or was registered to his name. There

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was a Learjet that landed in Miami with like 5,000

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kilos of coke. And so he got busted for it.

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And the judge gave him kind of a get out

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of jail free card. And he had to do some

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great community service. So the idea was he would do

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an anti-drug, anti-alcohol concert in Russia. And of course this

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went up to some pretty high levels because this was

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a political thing as well. He's clearly well connected in

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all the right places. So off we went. And this,

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I think it was 88. um in a in a

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rented dc-8 some some crappy crappy plane uh so bon

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jovi motley crew um ozzy osbourne but with um you

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know the other black sabbath guys geezer butler and uh

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Was it Tommy Iommi? And, uh... It was Skid Row.

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We stopped in Germany, picked up the Scorpions, and then

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we landed in Moscow. And it was for this huge

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concert that would be held in Lenin Stadium. So we

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were in the hotel right near Red Square where they

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actually turned on the hot water in that part of

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the city as a gesture to their guests. And I

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could probably fill up three no agendas worth of stories

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about that trip there, but I'll just give you one

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that was pretty cool. Because, of course, you know, this

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was the... I'll give you two stories. This was the

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anti-drug, anti-alcohol concert. So on the plane, on the way

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over, and this is when Sharon Osbourne was still just

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a little rotund, kind of pale, no... no personality have

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an English girl who was managing Ozzy Osbourne. So she

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was on board. Ozzy was completely plastered. Everyone was plastered,

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but Ozzy was really, really out of it. He's standing

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near the lavatory because we were all kind of sitting

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together. He's like, Sharon! Sharon! I've got to go! Someone

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in the loo! Sharon! Because someone was occupied. Sharon's like,

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oh, Ozzy, just wait. He wets himself right there, right

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in the aisle. Just like a second grader, a huge

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wet spot in his pants. Which really kind of set

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the tone for the rest of the entire trip. Who

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would pick that guy to go on an anti-alcohol tour?

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That's my point. Oh, like the Motley Crue guys were

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cool. Or Skid Row, come on. Or any of them.

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Exactly. They were there for like four nights or five

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nights. So on the second night, which of course consisted

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of lots of vodka and just brazen drunkenness, it was

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crazy. chapter of the Hell's Angels showed up in front

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of our hotel. Didn't know they had one. And remember,

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this was still before the wall came down. And they

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were on Java motorcycles, you know, these Yugoslavian-built bikes. And

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they were out of their mind, John. They were like

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popping wheelies, flipping off the back. It was just, it

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was like being in a fucking movie. And I'll just

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never forget. It's like, you have this idea of what

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a communist state, particularly what, you know, Moscow would be

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like, and you're there, and it's just, there was no

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control. It was mayhem. I looked at their technology. The

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technology was like old gray Volkswagen buses with curtains. This

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was supposed to be the highly technical KGB that could

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eavesdrop on everything and had superiority over the world. No

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way! Well, I'm reminded of, you know, Ronald Reagan when

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he became president. He was shaking his fist at Russia

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and he called him the evil empire. And he went

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on and on and on. He did this for like

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a while. Mr. Gorbachev, bring that wall down. But then

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he went to Russia. And he never, he went to

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Russia, and it was almost like he went to Russia

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and had an epiphany, and he never, ever again said

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anything about the evil empire. Because he saw it, because

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it's not there, right? Yeah, he saw it was a

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big bunch of bull. I mean, I noticed it. I

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was staying in the Mir Hotel, which is across from

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that Russian, that white building that got, you know, shelled

462
00:28:04,509 --> 00:28:10,293
or whatever. And got some nice photos. And they had

463
00:28:10,413 --> 00:28:13,595
mics in the room. were obviously because the mirror used

464
00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:15,837
to be I guess it was it was the diplomats

465
00:28:15,897 --> 00:28:18,038
hotel for a number of years and then it became

466
00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:20,800
a public hotel. Were they like big Sennheisers instead of

467
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,563
micro stuff? No they had they were they were big

468
00:28:24,623 --> 00:28:27,965
clunky mics but they had been they had been painted

469
00:28:28,205 --> 00:28:32,148
over so many times because the room kept getting repainted

470
00:28:32,168 --> 00:28:35,490
and they were all just a gob of paint. What's

471
00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:40,854
that bump there? And in every floor there was a

472
00:28:40,914 --> 00:28:43,415
woman that was the floor woman that you had to

473
00:28:43,936 --> 00:28:46,578
check in with. They never really did any security. But

474
00:28:47,318 --> 00:28:49,720
you were told before you went, if you did your

475
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,062
due diligence, you had to give them gifts constantly. Oh,

476
00:28:53,162 --> 00:28:55,924
yes, the floor lady, if you wanted toilet paper or

477
00:28:56,004 --> 00:28:59,506
if you wanted to make a phone call. Yeah, and

478
00:28:59,826 --> 00:29:03,489
so you had to drop off toys. Apparently at the

479
00:29:03,549 --> 00:29:06,051
time, the most valuable thing you could give people besides

480
00:29:06,151 --> 00:29:09,953
cigarettes were like, I was told this, and they got

481
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:11,154
a kick out of it because most of them had

482
00:29:11,234 --> 00:29:13,856
kids, and these little Tonka toys or these little mini

483
00:29:14,016 --> 00:29:17,018
things, those little Hot Wheels, those little things, those were

484
00:29:17,038 --> 00:29:19,820
like gold in Russia at the time. And so you'd

485
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,022
gift them with these. Did you go to the hooker

486
00:29:23,082 --> 00:29:25,844
boat? Did you see that when you were there? Well,

487
00:29:26,024 --> 00:29:29,687
when I was in Russia, Soviet Union, before the wall

488
00:29:29,747 --> 00:29:32,789
came down, they told me, whatever you do, don't insult

489
00:29:32,849 --> 00:29:37,392
the Kremlin. So Sebastian Bach and I, Sebastian of Skid

490
00:29:37,472 --> 00:29:40,054
Row, we went and we were drinking vodka on Red

491
00:29:40,174 --> 00:29:42,935
Square at 3 a.m. and we were trading T-shirts for

492
00:29:42,995 --> 00:29:47,038
some of those cool Russian furry hats. We didn't get

493
00:29:47,098 --> 00:29:51,281
arrested. We were there with Ozzy. But you could've been.

494
00:29:51,401 --> 00:29:55,104
Could've- Several episodes ago, you guys played a clip of

495
00:29:55,204 --> 00:29:58,286
Gene Simmons from Kiss, and Adam said he had a

496
00:29:58,386 --> 00:29:59,967
Gene Simmons story, but never said it.

497
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,522
Spilled the beans. Oh. Do you think we'll get more

498
00:30:03,542 --> 00:30:06,504
donations if I tell my Gene Simmons story? Well, I

499
00:30:06,564 --> 00:30:09,566
don't know. Is it a good story? It's kind of

500
00:30:09,666 --> 00:30:14,310
okay. Well, tell it. So Gene Simmons at MTV, you

501
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:16,671
know, in the MTV days when I was there, he

502
00:30:16,751 --> 00:30:21,134
was managing bands. And, you know, notorious at MTV, and

503
00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:23,616
I've said this many times, is, you know, your video

504
00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:25,777
didn't really get played, like, because it was good. It

505
00:30:25,797 --> 00:30:28,579
was a deal. You know, if we wanted Michael Jackson

506
00:30:28,659 --> 00:30:31,201
on the Video Music Awards, then, you know, whatever Sony

507
00:30:31,301 --> 00:30:33,602
pushed on us, we'd play that in the so-called buzz

508
00:30:33,742 --> 00:30:35,884
bin, which is supposed to be this hip little thing,

509
00:30:36,204 --> 00:30:39,226
course only played at 2 a.m. So Gene Simmons being

510
00:30:39,306 --> 00:30:42,748
the you know kind of the brash guy that he

511
00:30:42,909 --> 00:30:44,830
is he could not get it one of his bands

512
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:47,411
played so he burst into the music and I used

513
00:30:47,431 --> 00:30:49,373
to be at the music meetings until I found out

514
00:30:49,393 --> 00:30:51,774
there was a total scam he bursts in with knee

515
00:30:51,874 --> 00:30:54,016
pads on jumps up on the table and says who

516
00:30:54,056 --> 00:30:55,677
do I have to blow to get my video on

517
00:30:55,717 --> 00:31:01,221
this network And so who did he blow? I was

518
00:31:01,321 --> 00:31:04,723
smiling all the way back to the studio. I so

519
00:31:04,903 --> 00:31:07,945
believe this. I so, so, so believe this. You know

520
00:31:07,985 --> 00:31:11,027
that this happened to me once? What? Did I tell

521
00:31:11,027 --> 00:31:12,708
you the story where this happened to me? This exact

522
00:31:12,768 --> 00:31:14,890
same thing. My own Watergate. Should I tell you the

523
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:18,572
story? Yeah. So I just started at the television. I

524
00:31:18,612 --> 00:31:20,954
was 19. I was on television in Holland. And I

525
00:31:21,014 --> 00:31:23,656
was like super, super. There was only two stations. So

526
00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:25,977
it was like everyone knew me. And I went to

527
00:31:26,017 --> 00:31:28,259
go interview the Rolling Stones. So we're talking. When was

528
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,641
I 19, John? This is 1983, I think, 84. I

529
00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:33,982
don't know. So I go to interview the Rolling Stones

530
00:31:34,003 --> 00:31:36,084
in London. And we're in London. And it's like one

531
00:31:36,084 --> 00:31:38,646
of these shoots where they're all like rolling around. And

532
00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:40,907
it's hard to get them into the room. And we're

533
00:31:40,907 --> 00:31:44,229
talking tape, right? We're talking analog. We're talking clapboards. You

534
00:31:44,249 --> 00:31:47,191
know, this is way back in the day. Please, you

535
00:31:47,191 --> 00:31:50,734
know, forget that you're in 2012. So finally, you know,

536
00:31:51,054 --> 00:31:54,776
the guys stumble in. It was Keith and Woody. They

537
00:31:54,856 --> 00:31:57,078
fall into the room. Like, oh, hold on a second.

538
00:31:57,098 --> 00:31:59,239
They go in the bathroom. They're snorting coke off his

539
00:31:59,299 --> 00:32:01,701
Bowie knife. You know, like, ah, so they finally sit

540
00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:03,562
down. You know, we do the interview. It was great

541
00:32:03,602 --> 00:32:06,744
because they were completely hammered. And then my producer says,

542
00:32:07,185 --> 00:32:08,666
oh, man, you know, let's take a picture because we

543
00:32:08,686 --> 00:32:10,267
can get this on the front page of the newspaper.

544
00:32:10,407 --> 00:32:12,168
that you did an interview with him great promotion for

545
00:32:12,208 --> 00:32:15,390
the show and no one had a camera Can you

546
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:18,692
imagine? This is 1984. No one had brought a camera,

547
00:32:18,732 --> 00:32:22,895
but I had one of these newfangled Kodak disc cameras

548
00:32:23,035 --> 00:32:25,657
in my briefcase. Remember those? The Kodak disc? Yep, yep.

549
00:32:25,717 --> 00:32:28,218
They had a disc. Right. So I said, oh, I've

550
00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:30,760
got the Kodak disc, which, by the way, crappy photos.

551
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,022
They took really crap photos. Yeah, they were little bitty

552
00:32:33,162 --> 00:32:37,265
negatives or dinky. Yeah, like a view master. Yeah, exactly.

553
00:32:38,185 --> 00:32:44,870
So they take a picture, and we go back. have

554
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:48,912
a service. And the service is the Dutch Broadcasting Corporation,

555
00:32:49,273 --> 00:32:51,374
where they would actually take, it's called the press bureau,

556
00:32:51,674 --> 00:32:53,355
you would give them your film and they would have

557
00:32:53,355 --> 00:32:55,917
it developed and then they'd send it out to the

558
00:32:56,257 --> 00:32:59,679
newspapers, etc. So I gave the disc to my producer.

559
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:06,224
And at the time I was dating one of the

560
00:33:08,345 --> 00:33:12,068
Well, she would adjust. I'm already seeing where this is

561
00:33:12,148 --> 00:33:14,830
headed. She had just started. She was an announcer on

562
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:17,772
television. They had these announcers in between. It's very much

563
00:33:17,772 --> 00:33:20,533
like the BBC does with voice. In Holland, they would

564
00:33:20,593 --> 00:33:23,095
have an announcer, and she would sit there and say,

565
00:33:23,135 --> 00:33:25,537
oh, coming up next, we have this show and this

566
00:33:25,577 --> 00:33:27,138
show after that. And then she would go away, and

567
00:33:27,158 --> 00:33:29,239
then she'd come in like kind of a disc jockey

568
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,601
of television shows. A really pretty girl, Karoline Tense. Everyone

569
00:33:32,741 --> 00:33:36,164
in Holland knows her. And, um... And then I was

570
00:33:36,364 --> 00:33:38,906
like, oh crap, man. I took pictures of her with

571
00:33:38,966 --> 00:33:42,008
the disc camera and they're not, they're like not flattering.

572
00:33:42,248 --> 00:33:45,790
They're naked pictures. And so we broke into the press

573
00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:49,533
bureau that night to retrieve the disc and then have

574
00:33:49,573 --> 00:33:52,915
it developed somewhere else where we could actually get rid

575
00:33:53,015 --> 00:33:58,579
of the prints. The evidence. The evidence. And I still

576
00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:01,080
have these pictures, which is the best part. I've carried

577
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:06,744
them with me through two marriages. What? What a pervert.

578
00:34:07,525 --> 00:34:10,507
But these things do happen. And I totally believe that.

579
00:34:10,567 --> 00:34:12,448
How can we find out more about Nixon? This is

580
00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:16,711
great. Well, I don't know. I think all the guys

581
00:34:16,791 --> 00:34:19,893
involved with that... Actually, any one of the... I don't

582
00:34:19,913 --> 00:34:23,595
know. How many of the burglars... would have been privy

583
00:34:23,675 --> 00:34:29,339
to the real target. I think probably that creepy guy

584
00:34:29,439 --> 00:34:33,462
that was always claiming to be all kinds of super

585
00:34:33,502 --> 00:34:36,484
spy that used to light his hand on fire. What

586
00:34:36,544 --> 00:34:39,186
is his name? G. Gordon Liddy would know. But then

587
00:34:39,226 --> 00:34:41,267
you can't trust what he says. No. I don't know.

588
00:34:41,327 --> 00:34:46,370
I don't think it's verifiable. I love it though. You're

589
00:34:46,390 --> 00:34:48,812
going to tell us the Madonna story. Oh, the Madonna

590
00:34:48,832 --> 00:34:52,294
story. Geez, I'm glad you reminded me. Yeah, well, you

591
00:34:52,334 --> 00:34:55,617
were wandering off. Like you were trying to avoid it.

592
00:34:55,857 --> 00:34:57,958
Anyway, go on. Now it's not all that big a

593
00:34:57,998 --> 00:35:01,460
deal. So the way it works is you sit down

594
00:35:01,581 --> 00:35:04,843
in the press office in their little cubby corner couch

595
00:35:05,343 --> 00:35:07,124
so they can all listen in on the speakerphone, make

596
00:35:07,124 --> 00:35:10,466
sure you're not saying something horrible. And I said, oh,

597
00:35:10,466 --> 00:35:13,128
so you knew the new VJ. It's great. So this

598
00:35:13,208 --> 00:35:16,070
was not a live in studio interview? This was with

599
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:20,093
the, well, no, TV Guide. TV Guide's a magazine. So

600
00:35:20,153 --> 00:35:23,055
it was, yeah, they were interviewing me about being the

601
00:35:23,115 --> 00:35:25,536
new VJ on the scene. Oh, okay. All right, go

602
00:35:25,596 --> 00:35:28,498
on. And so, you know, you've been doing this because

603
00:35:28,518 --> 00:35:30,740
I've been working in Holland and I've met lots of

604
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,702
celebrities. And so what did you think of Madonna? I

605
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:36,164
said, man, she's not really that nice. Well, hold on

606
00:35:36,224 --> 00:35:39,186
a second. Why would they ask that question out of

607
00:35:39,246 --> 00:35:42,888
the blue? Because MTV... No, it wasn't out of the

608
00:35:42,928 --> 00:35:45,950
blue. It's like, okay, you've been working in television, you've

609
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:48,572
been working in music television, you've met lots of people,

610
00:35:48,592 --> 00:35:50,793
you've done lots of interviews. So what are you thinking

611
00:35:50,813 --> 00:35:54,636
of Madonna? Yeah, she's not that nice. I thought they

612
00:35:54,676 --> 00:35:57,498
were going to shit a brick. And they like hit

613
00:35:57,538 --> 00:36:01,540
the mute button. You can't say that. If you say

614
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,482
that, you're going to perform on the Video Music Awards.

615
00:36:07,484 --> 00:36:10,466
You know, those deals they would do. Yeah, yeah, you

616
00:36:10,506 --> 00:36:14,329
were just, you were being too honest. Yeah, exactly. You

617
00:36:14,369 --> 00:36:17,551
don't want honesty. Nope, nope, that was foreboding. You weren't

618
00:36:17,651 --> 00:36:20,813
hired to be honest. It was not your job. Wrong

619
00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:23,655
thing, wrong thinking curry. You're hired to be a talking

620
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:28,198
head and I smile a lot. That's exactly. Shut up

621
00:36:28,858 --> 00:36:32,121
and smile a lot, boy. Exactly. That's exactly what it

622
00:36:32,161 --> 00:36:36,944
was. So yeah, and they hated me. They never got

623
00:36:37,004 --> 00:36:39,185
press for me again after that. I was not to

624
00:36:39,245 --> 00:36:44,669
be trusted with press. Well... It was a screw up.

625
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:50,993
No, it was honest. Yeah. It was such a double

626
00:36:51,053 --> 00:36:53,495
standard. I don't want to get into it. And those

627
00:36:53,555 --> 00:36:55,876
are the same people, probably with the same mentality that

628
00:36:55,896 --> 00:36:59,519
are writing those notes in face bag. Certainly. Bitching about

629
00:36:59,539 --> 00:37:01,460
one thing or another. From the same milieu. Because they

630
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,623
can be honest there. Yeah. So they're expressing themselves. Yes.

631
00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:08,245
It's a private face bag group, so yeah, I guess

632
00:37:08,285 --> 00:37:11,387
they can be honest there. Yeah. Well, then now you

633
00:37:11,427 --> 00:37:13,808
know what's going on in the background of all media.

634
00:37:14,009 --> 00:37:18,171
Yeah. So actually, so there's one woman in particular, and

635
00:37:18,191 --> 00:37:20,613
I'm moving on back to the education stuff, if you're

636
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,974
okay with that. Yeah. I just wanted to hear the

637
00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:25,796
story. Did I ever tell you the story when I

638
00:37:25,957 --> 00:37:30,880
flew to L.A. with Sean Penn? No. We're open for

639
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,562
anecdotes on this show. Yes. This is back in the

640
00:37:33,622 --> 00:37:37,985
MTV days, probably 88, 89, and there was a fabulous,

641
00:37:38,285 --> 00:37:42,207
fabulous flight between New York and Los Angeles, and Los

642
00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:43,948
Angeles and New York, that's all it did twice a

643
00:37:43,988 --> 00:37:47,631
day, called MGM Grand Air. Oh, yes. That was an

644
00:37:47,711 --> 00:37:51,373
interesting plane. MGM Grand Air was a 727 or a

645
00:37:51,373 --> 00:37:53,915
737? I want to say 27. No, no. It was

646
00:37:54,115 --> 00:37:56,337
a longer plane. It was either a 27 or a...

647
00:37:56,337 --> 00:38:01,980
It was 27. 50 passengers. Of course, MTV paid for

648
00:38:02,041 --> 00:38:04,002
this because they needed to get me out there. It

649
00:38:04,042 --> 00:38:06,403
wasn't that much more expensive than a regular ticket, actually.

650
00:38:06,423 --> 00:38:10,266
And so it had a bar. It was all captain's

651
00:38:10,366 --> 00:38:13,048
chairs. And then staterooms. There were like four or five

652
00:38:13,128 --> 00:38:15,890
staterooms where you could sit three people on each side.

653
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:17,631
A table could come up so you could eat. The

654
00:38:17,691 --> 00:38:19,312
doors could close. Now, I had been in those once

655
00:38:19,392 --> 00:38:21,633
before. Like a train. Like a train. I'd been in

656
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:25,336
those once before by myself, and it was fantastic. Because

657
00:38:25,356 --> 00:38:27,137
you could move the two benches together. You'd have a

658
00:38:27,157 --> 00:38:30,499
huge double bed. It was great. But this one time,

659
00:38:30,579 --> 00:38:34,382
I'm in there with Sean Penn. in the stateroom with

660
00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:37,724
his brother the one who uh who died and in

661
00:38:37,804 --> 00:38:42,748
sean penn's mom and it was weird First of all,

662
00:38:43,068 --> 00:38:45,890
his brother, what was his brother's name? I don't remember.

663
00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:48,972
He was drinking beer out of the can, taking his

664
00:38:49,072 --> 00:38:54,415
shirt off in the plane. Just bare chested there. The

665
00:38:54,475 --> 00:38:57,677
mom was just very quiet. And it was really odd.

666
00:38:59,999 --> 00:39:02,441
Hey, how you doing? Hey, you're that guy from VH1,

667
00:39:02,461 --> 00:39:06,764
aren't you? I'm like, oh, Jesus. VH1. That must have

668
00:39:06,804 --> 00:39:09,545
been the greatest insult of your life. Yeah, so I

669
00:39:09,585 --> 00:39:12,287
said, yeah, that's me. Hey, what was it like being

670
00:39:12,327 --> 00:39:15,249
married to Madonna, if you don't mind me asking? And

671
00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:19,612
he said... Hell hath no fury. And then we pretty

672
00:39:19,652 --> 00:39:22,054
much just looked at each other for the rest of

673
00:39:22,114 --> 00:39:26,296
the flight. Very, very bizarre. So you never got into

674
00:39:26,337 --> 00:39:29,559
a conversation with him? No, this is sad because I

675
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:33,341
knew him. I sat down with him for an hour

676
00:39:33,441 --> 00:39:36,323
for a live radio interview, and he was a very

677
00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:40,326
interesting guy. Legendary producer Quincy Jones, a giant in the

678
00:39:40,346 --> 00:39:44,168
entertainment industry, has died. He leaves behind a legacy highlighted

679
00:39:44,248 --> 00:39:46,270
by work with some of the biggest stars in American

680
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,851
history. Jones was born and raised on the south side

681
00:39:48,892 --> 00:39:50,713
of Chicago, and he ascended to become one of the

682
00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:56,417
first black executives to succeed in show business. Frank Sinatra

683
00:39:56,597 --> 00:39:59,058
and produced, of course, the hit Michael Jackson albums Off

684
00:39:59,098 --> 00:39:59,979
the Wall, Three

685
00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:03,394
and bad. He also discovered Will Smith while producing The

686
00:40:03,414 --> 00:40:06,256
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. He won 28 Grammys, an Emmy,

687
00:40:06,836 --> 00:40:10,339
and an Honorary Academy Award. I feel like the most

688
00:40:10,439 --> 00:40:14,041
blessed person on the planet to have come along the

689
00:40:14,121 --> 00:40:17,524
path that I came in musically from 13 years old,

690
00:40:17,584 --> 00:40:20,826
you know, starting with Ray Charles at 14, he was

691
00:40:20,906 --> 00:40:25,889
16, and going to Clark Terry and Basie and Vinnie

692
00:40:25,949 --> 00:40:30,012
Carter, everybody from Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong, all the way

693
00:40:30,232 --> 00:40:36,096
50 Cent. Wow. Quincy Jones died last night at home

694
00:40:36,176 --> 00:40:38,738
in Bel Air surrounded by family. He was 91 years

695
00:40:38,858 --> 00:40:43,741
old. I always thought Thriller was one of the greatest

696
00:40:43,821 --> 00:40:47,584
produced albums in the history of music. It's fantastic. But

697
00:40:47,644 --> 00:40:52,487
he produced Lena Horne. I mean, he orchestrated it. I

698
00:40:52,547 --> 00:40:55,909
mean, but still, just the body of work he orchestrated.

699
00:40:55,969 --> 00:40:59,952
Yeah, he was talented. For Sinatra. Yeah, so I had

700
00:41:00,072 --> 00:41:04,215
a live interview with him in the early 90s on

701
00:41:04,315 --> 00:41:08,578
Hitline. Hitline, USA, coast to coast. And I was like,

702
00:41:08,578 --> 00:41:10,839
do you have a copy of it? I wish I

703
00:41:10,939 --> 00:41:13,000
had a copy of it. Oh, you didn't keep it.

704
00:41:14,882 --> 00:41:19,085
And the producer, Dana Miller, he died years ago. Yeah,

705
00:41:19,285 --> 00:41:23,908
they're driving dead. If anyone knows. And he was the

706
00:41:23,928 --> 00:41:29,011
executive producer. His name was Dean. I forget his last

707
00:41:29,071 --> 00:41:32,413
name. He went to jail for some real estate scam,

708
00:41:33,294 --> 00:41:35,776
some real estate fraud. So I have a feeling that

709
00:41:35,856 --> 00:41:40,459
Endless Summer Entertainment archives no longer exist. But I do

710
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:44,201
remember this interview. Somebody has it in their basement. I

711
00:41:44,301 --> 00:41:48,224
hope so. It was set up in a studio, like

712
00:41:48,364 --> 00:41:51,666
a recording studio, and it was dimly lit. There was

713
00:41:51,686 --> 00:41:54,348
a table in the middle, two chairs, two mics. And

714
00:41:54,448 --> 00:41:57,530
I'm there. I didn't see Jones, like what am I

715
00:41:57,530 --> 00:42:00,532
gonna ask this guy? This is quite the talent. He

716
00:42:00,652 --> 00:42:04,495
comes in with a bottle of Latour. And he slaps

717
00:42:04,535 --> 00:42:07,297
it down and says, let's have a great hour. And

718
00:42:07,377 --> 00:42:11,359
we drink the bottle of Le Jour. Oh, I don't

719
00:42:11,399 --> 00:42:16,783
remember. But Quincy was a real one. So when I

720
00:42:16,823 --> 00:42:19,525
was at MTV and we would, none of this was,

721
00:42:21,066 --> 00:42:24,508
rarely was anything live. We would tape segments. And on

722
00:42:24,608 --> 00:42:26,689
Thursday, we would tape for the weekend. That would be

723
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:29,631
called a 48. So we tape our segments, which is

724
00:42:29,671 --> 00:42:31,973
essentially the lead-ins, the intros and the outros of the

725
00:42:31,993 --> 00:42:34,695
videos without the videos. And that would be put together

726
00:42:34,735 --> 00:42:37,677
later by the tape jockeys up in Long Island. They'd

727
00:42:37,737 --> 00:42:41,539
literally start a U-matic with my segment and then start

728
00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:45,382
the second U-matic with the video. And this was the,

729
00:42:45,642 --> 00:42:47,884
we had made a deal. This is how it went.

730
00:42:47,904 --> 00:42:50,165
Made a deal. We would give Michael Jackson the planet.

731
00:42:50,205 --> 00:42:53,407
We would receive the planetary premiere of, I can't remember

732
00:42:53,507 --> 00:42:58,190
which video it was. And this became competitive because we

733
00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:01,833
had not purchased BET at the time and BET um

734
00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:05,115
you know they would they would you know whoever could

735
00:43:05,135 --> 00:43:07,697
dedicate more air time you know it's a commercial deal

736
00:43:07,937 --> 00:43:10,459
commercial deals and then we threw in like a video

737
00:43:10,539 --> 00:43:13,801
music award appearance all this stuff And so it was

738
00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:16,883
Michael Jackson weekend for the planetary premiere of whatever video.

739
00:43:17,623 --> 00:43:19,565
And, you know, so you work a full day from

740
00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:21,806
nine in the morning till, you know, five at night.

741
00:43:21,886 --> 00:43:24,968
And you're doing segments throughout the day. There's a lot

742
00:43:25,008 --> 00:43:28,090
of coordination. There's changes. I mean, yeah, my life was

743
00:43:28,210 --> 00:43:31,372
really hard being a VJ. But it was, you know,

744
00:43:31,473 --> 00:43:36,576
actual work. And then Friday, we would typically only do

745
00:43:36,656 --> 00:43:41,679
a 24, which would be for Monday's air. And Thursday

746
00:43:41,799 --> 00:43:44,261
evening, we all got a call, oh my God, you

747
00:43:44,381 --> 00:43:48,704
have to come back early. We've got to do three

748
00:43:48,784 --> 00:43:52,066
days worth of programming on Friday. So not just the

749
00:43:52,126 --> 00:43:54,928
48. We've got to do the Monday as well. We've

750
00:43:54,968 --> 00:43:59,811
got to redo the whole weekend. Because contractually... We had

751
00:43:59,891 --> 00:44:02,994
promised every single time we said Michael Jackson to follow

752
00:44:03,074 --> 00:44:07,276
it by the King of Pop. And of course, that

753
00:44:07,316 --> 00:44:09,238
had not made it down to the studio, so we

754
00:44:09,258 --> 00:44:11,759
had to go back and re-tape every single segment saying,

755
00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:14,121
and now it's time for the planetary premiere of Michael

756
00:44:14,181 --> 00:44:17,843
Jackson, the king of pop, with his new video. And

757
00:44:17,923 --> 00:44:23,287
that's how it works. That's how you're completely controlled. The

758
00:44:23,407 --> 00:44:28,350
king of pop. The king of pop. That's cute. Let's

759
00:44:28,791 --> 00:44:29,971
get this out of the way. What was with the

760
00:44:30,112 --> 00:44:34,014
hair that you had there? Where did that idea come

761
00:44:34,094 --> 00:44:38,097
from? My ex-wife. It was, oh, okay. And it made

762
00:44:38,137 --> 00:44:40,558
me famous. It was a total, yeah, the hair. You

763
00:44:40,619 --> 00:44:43,480
see, because. You had the hair. Luckily, you had the

764
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:45,462
kind of hair that could do what that hair did.

765
00:44:45,462 --> 00:44:49,645
Well, when you have enough Aquanet. which is what we

766
00:44:49,665 --> 00:44:52,767
had in the day. You could probably, and anybody could

767
00:44:52,807 --> 00:44:54,688
make that hair. You just have to grow it long

768
00:44:54,768 --> 00:44:58,250
enough, blow dry it, and tease it. Did you go

769
00:44:58,290 --> 00:45:01,172
into makeup every day in the morning? My ex-wife would

770
00:45:01,212 --> 00:45:03,454
do that every single morning before I left the house.

771
00:45:03,654 --> 00:45:06,456
She would do my hair. I was incapable of doing

772
00:45:06,496 --> 00:45:10,318
my hair myself, which made me a slave to her

773
00:45:10,618 --> 00:45:14,341
and to the hair. I'm not kidding. I was afraid

774
00:45:14,401 --> 00:45:17,683
to go anywhere without her because I couldn't do my

775
00:45:17,743 --> 00:45:22,166
hair. This is no joke, by the way. That's funny.

776
00:45:22,306 --> 00:45:25,448
That's sad is what it is. It's sad. However, if

777
00:45:25,488 --> 00:45:29,751
it looks distinctive, according to the Merv Griffin theory of

778
00:45:30,572 --> 00:45:36,296
celebrities. People with big heads are successful on television. And

779
00:45:36,376 --> 00:45:40,118
he would know. Look at the people he's hired. And

780
00:45:40,178 --> 00:45:42,179
look at people who are successful on television. If they've

781
00:45:42,179 --> 00:45:44,841
got a big head, and that usually goes with a

782
00:45:44,841 --> 00:45:48,324
small body, then you are going to be successful. Al

783
00:45:48,404 --> 00:45:52,967
Sharpton. There you go. It's like a head on a

784
00:45:53,067 --> 00:45:59,731
dwarf. Well, I will retell my story of Michael Jackson

785
00:45:59,771 --> 00:46:02,973
when I was going to award him with the Video

786
00:46:03,073 --> 00:46:08,157
Vanguard of the Decade Award, which forever was to be

787
00:46:08,537 --> 00:46:13,921
now named the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. And we

788
00:46:13,961 --> 00:46:17,043
were starting the the the ceremony there in his studio

789
00:46:17,123 --> 00:46:18,984
in Los Angeles and all of a sudden he stopped

790
00:46:19,744 --> 00:46:22,346
He had to had his guy come over a little

791
00:46:22,366 --> 00:46:24,368
whisper in his ear guy came came back with a

792
00:46:24,468 --> 00:46:27,430
crate And he had to, so he was standing on

793
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:32,353
an apple crate. Yeah, the full one? Yeah, well, he

794
00:46:33,033 --> 00:46:34,454
put it on his side, though, so it was probably

795
00:46:34,474 --> 00:46:41,279
about three-quarter apple crate. Huh. Michael Jackson was not really...

796
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:44,781
By the way, that's what you're supposed to do. When

797
00:46:44,901 --> 00:46:46,722
people out there, when you're watching TV and you got

798
00:46:46,782 --> 00:46:49,965
some midget standing next to some guy who's tall, it's

799
00:46:49,985 --> 00:46:51,966
because they're not doing their job. You're supposed to put

800
00:46:51,986 --> 00:46:54,307
the midget on a crate, on an apple crate or

801
00:46:54,347 --> 00:46:57,069
whatever they call it. And they're usually painted black so

802
00:46:57,129 --> 00:47:00,512
you can't see them. And you can have a half

803
00:47:00,672 --> 00:47:04,674
full one, a quarter one, and a full one. And

804
00:47:04,794 --> 00:47:06,956
if you get up, I think they're four inches. It

805
00:47:07,096 --> 00:47:09,858
raises you four inches. Yeah, that was about it. Michael

806
00:47:09,918 --> 00:47:12,700
Jackson, not a short guy. If you Google Adam Curry,

807
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:16,642
Michael Jackson, you can see the picture. It's on the

808
00:47:17,203 --> 00:47:20,925
interwebs. And you'll see that he's standing next to me.

809
00:47:20,965 --> 00:47:23,047
He's almost as tall as I am. And there's a

810
00:47:23,107 --> 00:47:24,988
Christmas tree growing out of the back of my head.

811
00:47:25,088 --> 00:47:28,570
It's one of those great MTV shots. Thank you. It's

812
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:33,513
been fantastic. Except for Tina Turner dying. Yeah. She was

813
00:47:33,574 --> 00:47:35,455
sick for a long time, but that really sucked. I

814
00:47:35,795 --> 00:47:37,976
had good times. She seemed to be pretty spry in

815
00:47:38,016 --> 00:47:41,819
her 80s. Well, she had a serious illness. She had

816
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,841
all kinds of problems. But man, that was a nice

817
00:47:44,941 --> 00:47:46,822
lady. I had a lot of fun times with her.

818
00:47:46,842 --> 00:47:51,285
Yeah? Whoa. Should I tell you one? Should I tell

819
00:47:51,305 --> 00:47:55,728
you a fun time? Go for it. Okay. So she

820
00:47:56,068 --> 00:47:57,690
came, this is when I was in Holland, this is

821
00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:01,492
how far back our relationship goes. And she came to,

822
00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,314
I think she was doing a concert, yeah, I'm pretty

823
00:48:04,334 --> 00:48:09,297
sure she was doing concerts. And this is like 84.

824
00:48:10,138 --> 00:48:12,499
So as one does, of course, you're coming to the

825
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:16,322
Netherlands and the top record retailer has to have attention

826
00:48:16,762 --> 00:48:18,984
because, you know, that's how it works. That's the way

827
00:48:19,024 --> 00:48:21,345
it used to work. You know, the number one guy

828
00:48:21,345 --> 00:48:24,928
in retail, you got to kiss his ass. So the

829
00:48:24,988 --> 00:48:28,430
record company set up this special lunch for this guy

830
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:33,033
who was a real farmer. I mean, he spoke farmer

831
00:48:33,193 --> 00:48:37,636
English. He was just, he was a real, it's hard

832
00:48:37,656 --> 00:48:40,198
to explain, but in Holland people understand when I say

833
00:48:40,198 --> 00:48:43,180
he was a real farmer, just like a redneck, basically.

834
00:48:45,221 --> 00:48:47,222
And they invited me because she was going to be

835
00:48:47,363 --> 00:48:50,825
on my show to interview her. And basically it's us

836
00:48:51,025 --> 00:48:54,287
in this restaurant eating at a table. And this guy

837
00:48:54,467 --> 00:48:58,670
presenting this huge, ugly, triple platinum piece of crap that

838
00:48:59,170 --> 00:49:01,432
you can't take back with you. It's just one of

839
00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:05,475
those horrible music industry things. And he starts off by,

840
00:49:05,815 --> 00:49:09,958
yes, I'm so happy here to have Tiny Turner with

841
00:49:10,038 --> 00:49:14,441
us today. And you could just see everyone cringing. No

842
00:49:14,561 --> 00:49:17,943
one dared say, like, dude, it's Tina Turner. Tiny Turner

843
00:49:18,003 --> 00:49:21,625
has sold so many records here in the lowlands. We

844
00:49:21,765 --> 00:49:25,708
love it very, very much. And she was just, and

845
00:49:25,788 --> 00:49:27,069
I looked at her and I said, because I was

846
00:49:27,089 --> 00:49:29,391
sitting across from her. It's like, I'm so sorry about

847
00:49:29,451 --> 00:49:32,673
this. This is, welcome to the Netherlands. And she was

848
00:49:32,753 --> 00:49:36,215
so proper and this was in her. I think beyond

849
00:49:36,315 --> 00:49:39,497
Thunderdome, Dane. Remember when she came back from England? I'm

850
00:49:39,577 --> 00:49:42,519
Tina Turner. I talk like this. Remember that? And she

851
00:49:42,579 --> 00:49:47,082
got all Thunderdome-y. No. Anyway, once the chicken arrived, I

852
00:49:47,142 --> 00:49:50,805
know it sounds racist, but man, Annie Mae Bullock, she

853
00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:53,587
dove right into the chicken with her hands, screw the

854
00:49:53,647 --> 00:49:57,629
cutlery, and we had a great lunch. And many laughs

855
00:49:57,749 --> 00:49:58,910
ensued over the douchebag.

856
00:50:00,044 --> 00:50:02,606
Anyway, just one of the many fun moments with Tina

857
00:50:02,646 --> 00:50:07,009
Turner. Turn it down to the trophy. Oh, I'm sure

858
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:09,831
it got left behind at the record company. No one

859
00:50:09,891 --> 00:50:13,293
wants that stuff in their home. It's not a trophy.

860
00:50:13,333 --> 00:50:16,655
It's one of those, it's like four feet long and

861
00:50:16,715 --> 00:50:19,317
has four, you know, platinum records. The stuff you've got

862
00:50:19,377 --> 00:50:21,979
on your wall. Yeah, no, I don't. You've got it.

863
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,180
Even I don't have the four foot long one up.

864
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:26,822
Yeah, I put it in the garage, actually. I decided,

865
00:50:27,282 --> 00:50:30,184
new house. I used it to stop the car. New

866
00:50:30,264 --> 00:50:32,846
house. I decide not to put any of that in

867
00:50:32,926 --> 00:50:34,747
the house. It's in the garage. kind of like a

868
00:50:34,807 --> 00:50:38,150
Pennzoil sign. That's where I got all that stuff. Since

869
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:40,191
you brought up David Bowie, I need to tell you

870
00:50:40,231 --> 00:50:45,595
something. kind of interesting about Patricia. First wife number one.

871
00:50:46,195 --> 00:50:50,118
First wife. Ex-wife number one. There we go. Who is,

872
00:50:50,138 --> 00:50:55,001
if anything, John, what is she? She is a promoter?

873
00:50:57,062 --> 00:51:01,145
to be admired by anyone involved with publicity. And I

874
00:51:02,286 --> 00:51:05,168
always hold the belief, I think I've mentioned on the

875
00:51:05,168 --> 00:51:07,910
show, that when you use the media for your own

876
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:12,413
benefit, when you use the PR for your own benefit

877
00:51:12,813 --> 00:51:16,455
by whatever it is to get your PR, your message

878
00:51:16,575 --> 00:51:20,638
into the media. When you least expect it, it comes

879
00:51:20,738 --> 00:51:25,261
back like a boomerang in 10 times force, then knocks

880
00:51:25,301 --> 00:51:27,423
you down. And this is exactly what happened to her.

881
00:51:28,003 --> 00:51:32,106
Well, what happened? Well, David Bowie dies. As with every

882
00:51:32,166 --> 00:51:35,788
country, every television station, they had a talk show and

883
00:51:35,828 --> 00:51:38,330
they brought in a whole bunch of people to talk

884
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:41,512
about David Bowie. And they had five or six people.

885
00:51:41,572 --> 00:51:44,434
There's always like, you know, the DJ with the orange

886
00:51:44,494 --> 00:51:50,258
hair. Rolling Stone magazine, who has, you know, like a

887
00:51:50,318 --> 00:51:53,420
cardigan and a pipe, you know, a bunch of douchebags

888
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,562
who have never met David Bowie, never met David Bowie.

889
00:51:55,802 --> 00:51:59,744
The only person who's met David Bowie is Patricia. And

890
00:51:59,784 --> 00:52:02,546
I think I've told the Bowie story, her Bowie story,

891
00:52:02,606 --> 00:52:06,149
haven't I? No, I have not heard Patricia Bowie story.

892
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:09,491
So when she was 20 and Bowie was 25, then

893
00:52:09,651 --> 00:52:13,814
I was minus two. I was not in existence, barely

894
00:52:13,874 --> 00:52:17,356
in existence. she did these song contests, and she did

895
00:52:17,456 --> 00:52:20,238
one in Malta. And David Jones, David Robert Jones at

896
00:52:20,258 --> 00:52:22,780
the time, was performing before he changed his name to

897
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,101
David Bowie. This is how long ago it is. And

898
00:52:25,141 --> 00:52:27,663
so she's asked about this story. She wrote it in

899
00:52:27,683 --> 00:52:30,205
her book, and she tells a story that, you know,

900
00:52:30,225 --> 00:52:33,147
they hooked up, they smoked some weed, and they, you

901
00:52:33,147 --> 00:52:36,089
know, had some sex, and they were running around the

902
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:39,211
beach of Malta, and that he had some kind of

903
00:52:39,251 --> 00:52:42,793
loincloth outfit on that looked really funky, really strange. He

904
00:52:42,793 --> 00:52:46,936
had, like, shitty teeth. and her punchline is he kept

905
00:52:46,976 --> 00:52:48,977
playing this song on his guitar as we walk on

906
00:52:49,037 --> 00:52:51,399
the beach and like, oh, can you stop with this

907
00:52:51,439 --> 00:52:54,961
annoying song already? And it was Space Oddity. So I

908
00:52:55,041 --> 00:52:59,024
think that's a funny story. Now, um, this is like

909
00:52:59,104 --> 00:53:02,386
a music business story. Do you know who Seymour Stein

910
00:53:02,506 --> 00:53:06,289
is? The name rings a bell, but no. Okay, Seymour

911
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:10,952
Stein is the guy who first, he, legend in the

912
00:53:10,992 --> 00:53:15,295
music business, started Sire Records. And Sire Records, you know,

913
00:53:15,455 --> 00:53:19,318
had many famous artists, but Seymour Stein is really known

914
00:53:19,438 --> 00:53:24,021
for Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream, did the

915
00:53:24,061 --> 00:53:27,944
first big album with her, and he was her, Sire

916
00:53:28,004 --> 00:53:31,326
was her record label in the very beginning of her

917
00:53:31,386 --> 00:53:38,431
career. I've hung out with him back in the mid-80s

918
00:53:38,531 --> 00:53:42,253
in London. And just one of these really weird guys,

919
00:53:43,134 --> 00:53:46,116
typical music industry guys. He had a fish tank in

920
00:53:46,176 --> 00:53:52,760
his office with 50-pound notes at the bottom of this

921
00:53:52,860 --> 00:53:55,822
aquarium. And there were piranha swimming in the aquarium. It

922
00:53:55,822 --> 00:53:58,624
was like, you're welcome to go grab the 50-pound note

923
00:53:58,684 --> 00:54:00,425
if you don't mind your hand getting eaten by a

924
00:54:00,465 --> 00:54:03,628
piranha. This is really one of these guys, right? Hilarious.

925
00:54:05,489 --> 00:54:13,074
And his ex-wife... Linda Stein was also a legend in

926
00:54:13,114 --> 00:54:17,157
the music business. She was a manager, famously, of the

927
00:54:17,237 --> 00:54:22,720
Ramones. And she was the most abrasive woman you can

928
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,584
imagine. I mean, she would yell. She would scream at

929
00:54:27,684 --> 00:54:32,867
people. She'd tell Joey Ramone, shut the fuck up. When

930
00:54:32,887 --> 00:54:35,969
they were touring in England, he was complaining about everything.

931
00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:39,352
He didn't like the food. And she just said, then

932
00:54:39,432 --> 00:54:43,915
get the fuck back to America, you fucking... Legendary. And

933
00:54:43,975 --> 00:54:46,276
it's funny because as far as I know, Seymour Stein

934
00:54:46,356 --> 00:54:50,339
was gay, if not... at least by, but it was

935
00:54:50,399 --> 00:54:53,401
really weird, these two, and of course, they did break

936
00:54:53,561 --> 00:54:58,464
up eventually, so she was ex for a reason. um

937
00:55:00,045 --> 00:55:05,469
Legendary woman. In fact, She had cancer, and she had

938
00:55:05,549 --> 00:55:08,031
been operated on cancer, and this is just one of

939
00:55:08,051 --> 00:55:10,613
those famous stories about her, so take it with a

940
00:55:10,633 --> 00:55:14,355
grain of salt. Four hours after the operation, she was

941
00:55:14,395 --> 00:55:16,937
already on the phone yelling at someone to fuck something

942
00:55:17,077 --> 00:55:23,861
up. Just crazy. um They found her bludgeoned to death

943
00:55:23,982 --> 00:55:27,004
in her apartment yesterday in New York on Fifth Avenue.

944
00:55:27,744 --> 00:55:30,886
Oh, really? Yeah. It wasn't in the news out here.

945
00:55:33,068 --> 00:55:36,690
Well, there you go. But it's just, it's one of

946
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:38,811
those, you watch, the stories will come out, I'm sure,

947
00:55:38,811 --> 00:55:41,773
because, you know, lots of artists dealt with her, so

948
00:55:42,194 --> 00:55:43,875
I'm sure people are going to be talking about this.

949
00:55:43,935 --> 00:55:47,697
You watch, it's going to be an interesting story. Richard

950
00:55:47,757 --> 00:55:49,158
Marx is crazy. You don't even mention him in the

951
00:55:49,198 --> 00:55:53,401
book. But it's a great story. No. Why don't you

952
00:55:53,521 --> 00:55:55,743
call him up? No. Tell him if you can tell

953
00:55:55,783 --> 00:55:58,705
the story. I don't need his permission to tell the

954
00:55:58,745 --> 00:56:00,446
story, do I? Well, if you don't want to get

955
00:56:00,546 --> 00:56:03,548
sued, maybe. Well, see, now I don't want to do

956
00:56:03,628 --> 00:56:11,213
a book. Boy, you're easy. What a pushover. The worst

957
00:56:11,273 --> 00:56:14,235
thing about Richard Marks, who I had a... I don't

958
00:56:14,315 --> 00:56:16,557
even know who... You're talking about somebody nobody knows who

959
00:56:16,617 --> 00:56:19,139
you're talking about. Are you kidding me? Richard Marks in

960
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:23,261
the 80s and 90s had number one hits back to

961
00:56:23,341 --> 00:56:25,803
back, you know, just because you don't... He was the

962
00:56:25,863 --> 00:56:30,626
Marks Brothers? Who are you talking about? Okay, I will

963
00:56:30,726 --> 00:56:34,769
play you a Richard Marks song. He sings? He's a

964
00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:39,872
singer? Yes, he's a singer. Yes. But what group? Richard

965
00:56:39,933 --> 00:56:44,155
Marks. He's just Richard Marks. Oh, I never heard of

966
00:56:44,215 --> 00:56:47,237
him. No, I'm not surprised you've never heard of him,

967
00:56:47,317 --> 00:56:53,762
but he's quite famous. Let me see. He has all

968
00:56:53,902 --> 00:56:59,286
new songs. Where's his biggest hits? Was it right here

969
00:56:59,346 --> 00:57:04,309
waiting for you? Right here waiting for you, Dick Marks.

970
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:11,994
Ehhhh This kind of stuff. Oh, this is the kind

971
00:57:12,014 --> 00:57:14,075
of stuff I don't like. That's probably why I never

972
00:57:14,135 --> 00:57:19,879
heard it. No, of course not. This is boring. That's

973
00:57:19,879 --> 00:57:22,461
Bryan Adams, hold on a second. Light some candles, people.

974
00:57:22,461 --> 00:57:24,583
Wait, that's Bryan Adams, that's not even Richard Marks. Oh,

975
00:57:24,583 --> 00:57:26,304
you don't even get the right guy. Here we go,

976
00:57:26,444 --> 00:57:32,448
this is him. This is him. There's your 1980s DX7

977
00:57:32,588 --> 00:57:38,152
synthesizer sound. He comes out of the smoke. Oh, yeah,

978
00:57:38,272 --> 00:57:40,693
this is good. Oh, yeah, he's got his blue jeans

979
00:57:40,893 --> 00:57:46,617
on. He sits down at the piano. I don't, uh...

980
00:57:46,637 --> 00:57:51,200
You don't remember this song? No. It sounds like a

981
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,004
dime a dozen. It's a long intro. Okay, you can

982
00:57:57,104 --> 00:57:58,826
stop it. No, I want to hear him sing now.

983
00:58:00,106 --> 00:58:05,570
Slowly So I made a joke about his hair once

984
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:08,612
on MTV, which was okay. You know, I had hair.

985
00:58:08,672 --> 00:58:11,274
Did he have long hair, short hair, or bald? He

986
00:58:11,294 --> 00:58:13,315
had big hair. He had big hair like you had.

987
00:58:13,455 --> 00:58:15,857
Yeah, and I said, there's Richard Marks with his hair

988
00:58:15,977 --> 00:58:18,479
at number four on the top 20 countdown. He tried

989
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:21,341
to get me fired. He literally tried to get me

990
00:58:21,441 --> 00:58:26,544
fired. What? Because I made fun of him. He went

991
00:58:26,864 --> 00:58:28,365
to make fun of you. You said he had hair.

992
00:58:28,565 --> 00:58:31,167
That's I'm telling you. He went to Abby Conowitz. He

993
00:58:31,227 --> 00:58:34,529
went to Rick Krim. The irony of if he's bald.

994
00:58:34,590 --> 00:58:38,792
No, he's not. Well, no. The hard part is, you

995
00:58:38,792 --> 00:58:42,255
know, he's married to. You won't know her either. Daisy

996
00:58:42,335 --> 00:58:45,957
Fuentes. Now you don't know Daisy. Nick Fuent is his

997
00:58:46,057 --> 00:58:50,520
sister? You're hopeless. This book is not for you, okay?

998
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,502
This book is not for you. Don't worry about it.

999
00:58:53,802 --> 00:58:55,984
Don't read it. Mimi and I will make a book,

1000
00:58:56,124 --> 00:58:58,526
and we'll make a book, we'll make a book. And

1001
00:58:58,566 --> 00:59:00,947
I want to do that whole download the PDF, and

1002
00:59:00,987 --> 00:59:03,689
if you want to buy it, then value for value,

1003
00:59:03,769 --> 00:59:06,391
just send me some money. Yeah, you'll get something out

1004
00:59:06,411 --> 00:59:08,332
of it. No, I won't get nothing. You'll get nothing

1005
00:59:08,432 --> 00:59:10,173
out of it. No, you'll get something. You just want

1006
00:59:10,193 --> 00:59:11,394
me to do it so I can go on a

1007
00:59:11,474 --> 00:59:12,955
promo tour and promote the show. I think it would

1008
00:59:12,975 --> 00:59:15,517
be a good benefit for not having anything about Richard

1009
00:59:15,617 --> 00:59:19,260
Marx, though. No, no, because that was a legendary fight.

1010
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:22,822
This is legendary. Wow. And then we were on a

1011
00:59:22,882 --> 00:59:29,626
live. You're unselling the book as we speak. on a

1012
00:59:29,707 --> 00:59:31,728
live radio show and he says, I hope you get

1013
00:59:31,748 --> 00:59:35,530
cancer. That was Richard Marks. That was kind of cute.

1014
00:59:35,570 --> 00:59:39,673
Yeah, so there's good stories there. It's good stories. France,

1015
00:59:39,713 --> 00:59:44,817
you're next. USA, you're up. And I've done some celebrity

1016
00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:49,920
pageant judging in the past. My favorite was in Secaucus,

1017
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,403
New Jersey with Boy George as my fellow judge. This

1018
00:59:55,404 --> 00:59:58,706
was after the heroin. It was all fat and bald

1019
00:59:58,766 --> 00:59:59,106
and stuff.

1020
01:00:01,281 --> 01:00:05,364
Nice guy, but damn. Boy George judging the women. I

1021
01:00:05,424 --> 01:00:08,646
don't know. I'm going to show my support by donating

1022
01:00:08,646 --> 01:00:11,047
to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do

1023
01:00:11,147 --> 01:00:20,434
that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. ♪ Children ♪ Certainly

1024
01:00:20,494 --> 01:00:23,496
hope you've enjoyed part one, hour one of the MTV

1025
01:00:23,676 --> 01:00:26,638
Chronicles. I wish we could chat with John about it.

1026
01:00:26,698 --> 01:00:29,319
But of course he was there throughout every single story

1027
01:00:29,399 --> 01:00:32,522
that I told. Many more on the way. And because

1028
01:00:32,642 --> 01:00:35,223
I am, as we speak, on an airplane, probably about

1029
01:00:35,283 --> 01:00:39,006
to land, if you were listening live, coming back from

1030
01:00:39,086 --> 01:00:42,268
Rotterdam to Austin, then on to the Hill Country, the

1031
01:00:42,308 --> 01:00:44,289
trolls were able to hear everything. I'm sure they had

1032
01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:46,571
a lot of fun trolling along. But no donation segment

1033
01:00:46,611 --> 01:00:49,453
for today, which means on Sunday we will have an

1034
01:00:49,593 --> 01:01:22,075
extra special Thank you. through the donation segment. Probably even

1035
01:01:22,135 --> 01:01:23,515
get him to do a tip of the day since,

1036
01:01:23,596 --> 01:01:25,637
after all, he is the creator of the tip of

1037
01:01:25,697 --> 01:01:29,159
the day. So go to noagendadonations.com. Your time, your talent,

1038
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,281
your treasure is all appreciated. Thank you all very much

1039
01:01:32,381 --> 01:01:36,044
for supporting No Agenda. And Hour 2 of the MTV

1040
01:01:36,184 --> 01:01:38,826
Chronicles is coming at you right now. Do I get

1041
01:01:38,846 --> 01:01:41,547
to tell my Times Square story from 1987? Yes, I

1042
01:01:41,607 --> 01:01:43,489
would like you to go, and then I'm going to

1043
01:01:43,569 --> 01:01:46,331
bring out the good news about all this. Why would

1044
01:01:46,471 --> 01:01:49,313
anybody go to Times Square? Well, this is my story,

1045
01:01:49,313 --> 01:01:55,136
1987. I had arrived at MTV in October and a

1046
01:01:55,277 --> 01:01:58,018
month to get set up. Then my first big gig

1047
01:01:58,179 --> 01:02:03,582
was live from Times Square. I was on Times Square

1048
01:02:03,782 --> 01:02:07,525
by One Time Square. They had the camera up in

1049
01:02:07,585 --> 01:02:10,187
the One Time Square building, and I was down there

1050
01:02:10,327 --> 01:02:13,449
by the recruiting station. You were on a platform? No,

1051
01:02:13,509 --> 01:02:16,731
no. I was in the crowd, on the ground, in

1052
01:02:16,851 --> 01:02:23,015
the crowd. Were there squealing girls? Yes, but there was

1053
01:02:23,055 --> 01:02:28,178
none of this Nivea crap. Nivea bullcrap. I don't know

1054
01:02:28,198 --> 01:02:30,260
what you're talking about, blue Nivea bullcrap. They didn't have

1055
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,923
that this year? Nivea sponsors that. I didn't watch that.

1056
01:02:35,043 --> 01:02:37,265
Well, neither did I, but I assume that Nivea sponsored

1057
01:02:37,265 --> 01:02:39,026
it again. They always do that. I didn't hear anything

1058
01:02:39,046 --> 01:02:42,088
about Nivea. And they'd assigned to me an off-duty cop.

1059
01:02:43,208 --> 01:02:48,972
with a big-ass gun. Okay. And Paul Reiser. What was

1060
01:02:48,972 --> 01:02:51,354
the tossing to Adam? Let's toss it to Adam down

1061
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:54,436
on time. Paul Reiser, the comic? Yeah. Oh, it's typical.

1062
01:02:54,816 --> 01:02:56,597
Whenever they're going to do a live show, they bring

1063
01:02:56,657 --> 01:03:00,920
in celebrities who are anything but television hosts. And they

1064
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:06,244
suck. They always suck. So Paul Reiser, I think... Maybe

1065
01:03:06,344 --> 01:03:09,786
Sandra Bernhardt as well, who's definitely not good at just

1066
01:03:10,026 --> 01:03:13,749
off-the-cuff unrehearsed. stuff when MTV wants to be, you know,

1067
01:03:13,809 --> 01:03:19,112
trying to be a family friendly. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway,

1068
01:03:19,272 --> 01:03:20,954
I thought it was quite an experience because those were

1069
01:03:20,994 --> 01:03:23,835
the days when, you know, there were hookers on Times

1070
01:03:23,855 --> 01:03:26,417
Square and sex shops and. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The place

1071
01:03:26,477 --> 01:03:29,319
was really. And it was grimy and grungy and people

1072
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:33,102
just, you know. Great. Puking all over the place and.

1073
01:03:36,864 --> 01:03:39,106
You know, there was many there were as many or

1074
01:03:39,186 --> 01:03:43,268
even more cops back in that era in Times Square,

1075
01:03:43,328 --> 01:03:46,370
but they didn't do anything about anything. No, no. It

1076
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:51,834
was a corrupt little enclave. It worked fine. Peep shows.

1077
01:03:51,874 --> 01:03:55,477
Yes, it was good. Crappy theaters. Good times. Porn shops.

1078
01:03:55,497 --> 01:03:58,899
Good times. It was like Grand Theft Auto. It was

1079
01:03:58,999 --> 01:04:02,081
realistic. It totally is. And now it's like you think

1080
01:04:02,121 --> 01:04:06,684
you're in Disneyland. Yes. At MTV, we had something called

1081
01:04:06,764 --> 01:04:11,427
Light Switch. It's time for light switch. Oh, what's that

1082
01:04:11,487 --> 01:04:14,609
we said? Well, we have a new director of programming

1083
01:04:14,669 --> 01:04:19,753
coming in, who was... I want to say her name

1084
01:04:19,813 --> 01:04:23,655
was Silverstein. I think she had like some, her daddy-o

1085
01:04:23,795 --> 01:04:26,837
or something. And her great idea was we're going to

1086
01:04:26,857 --> 01:04:31,360
have these blue screen. We'll have all these virtual sets.

1087
01:04:32,061 --> 01:04:33,602
And so what happened was you'd have, you see it,

1088
01:04:34,082 --> 01:04:36,104
MTV would come up, a video would end playing, you'd

1089
01:04:36,104 --> 01:04:39,045
see a diner and there'd be like Tony, the Tony's

1090
01:04:39,086 --> 01:04:42,908
in the diner making a deli making sandwiches. And there

1091
01:04:42,948 --> 01:04:45,730
was a little portable TV on the countertop. And I

1092
01:04:45,790 --> 01:04:49,212
would be in that little TV announcing the next video.

1093
01:04:50,293 --> 01:04:52,094
It was the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my

1094
01:04:52,154 --> 01:04:56,677
life. Fucking moronic is what it was. In the summer

1095
01:04:56,717 --> 01:05:01,741
of 1990, MTV... had a problem. They needed to get

1096
01:05:01,961 --> 01:05:05,663
Budweiser to advertise on the network. I think I've told

1097
01:05:05,703 --> 01:05:09,866
this story before. No. And they couldn't figure out how

1098
01:05:09,926 --> 01:05:12,168
to get Budweiser. And they asked me to help them

1099
01:05:12,308 --> 01:05:16,670
pitch an idea. And the idea was, instead of creating

1100
01:05:16,811 --> 01:05:21,234
some programming that Budweiser would want to sponsor, they went

1101
01:05:21,254 --> 01:05:24,836
to where Budweiser was already naturally, and that was Spring

1102
01:05:24,916 --> 01:05:28,919
Break. And that is the entire reason for the creation

1103
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:34,382
of Spring Break on MTV. Now, that is not native

1104
01:05:34,562 --> 01:05:40,246
advertising per se. That's more product placement. However, if you

1105
01:05:40,326 --> 01:05:43,068
go back to those early days, and I had to

1106
01:05:43,128 --> 01:05:46,050
do some of this. I think it was... Uh, South

1107
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:49,372
Padre Island, I think? Which, funny, I live in Texas

1108
01:05:49,432 --> 01:05:53,775
now. Um, do you remember Spuds McKenzie, that fucking dog?

1109
01:05:54,656 --> 01:05:56,917
So we had to do... Bull Terrier. Yes, we had

1110
01:05:56,977 --> 01:05:59,759
to do like the top 20 countdown with spuds next

1111
01:05:59,779 --> 01:06:04,562
to me. I remember we needed Michael Jackson to... to

1112
01:06:04,622 --> 01:06:08,145
perform on the Video Music Awards at MTV. And, you

1113
01:06:08,205 --> 01:06:11,347
know, so then the dealing starts. You gotta, well, then

1114
01:06:11,367 --> 01:06:14,209
you have to do this. You have to, you gotta

1115
01:06:14,249 --> 01:06:19,292
play this video. And then we also... said, well, we'll

1116
01:06:19,312 --> 01:06:21,634
give you an award. It'll be the Michael Jackson Video

1117
01:06:21,734 --> 01:06:25,396
Vanguard Award of the Year. named after him. And I

1118
01:06:25,456 --> 01:06:28,718
think J-Lo just received it. And it is presented as

1119
01:06:28,778 --> 01:06:32,441
the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year. We

1120
01:06:32,521 --> 01:06:35,043
also, by the way, promised that we would always say

1121
01:06:35,183 --> 01:06:39,125
Michael Jackson followed by the King of Pop. And we

1122
01:06:39,185 --> 01:06:40,967
did. In fact, we once had to record a whole

1123
01:06:41,007 --> 01:06:43,548
weekend all over again because we hadn't been told we

1124
01:06:43,608 --> 01:06:46,170
had to do it. Anyway, I digress. So Tim Cook.

1125
01:06:46,510 --> 01:06:49,052
No, I don't think that's a digression. That idea that

1126
01:06:49,092 --> 01:06:52,614
you have to say the king of pop was ridiculous.

1127
01:06:53,555 --> 01:06:55,977
That we had to go back and re-record everything because

1128
01:06:55,997 --> 01:06:59,499
we didn't say it. That was ridiculous. That was off

1129
01:06:59,579 --> 01:07:02,761
the hook. That was two days of work. This is

1130
01:07:02,821 --> 01:07:06,163
the thing that I learned and several people told me

1131
01:07:06,223 --> 01:07:12,167
in my late teens. early 20s You know, and I

1132
01:07:12,227 --> 01:07:13,428
was, you know, it was kind of like one of

1133
01:07:13,448 --> 01:07:16,830
these unspoken things, and this person said to me, no,

1134
01:07:17,211 --> 01:07:18,912
I see that you've got, you know, twitches and tics,

1135
01:07:18,952 --> 01:07:23,795
but... I think it makes you look interesting. And... And

1136
01:07:23,835 --> 01:07:27,397
I always took that to heart because. These were good

1137
01:07:27,417 --> 01:07:33,381
looking women. And believe it or not. You're interesting when

1138
01:07:33,421 --> 01:07:37,104
you're not like everybody else. And this is the same

1139
01:07:37,224 --> 01:07:40,586
for versions of, you know, whatever they call the autism

1140
01:07:40,706 --> 01:07:46,390
spectrum, etc. Don't worry about it. Seriously, I still to

1141
01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:50,253
this day have. It's gotten much better because I've become

1142
01:07:50,373 --> 01:07:54,235
much calmer about it. But I was on television with

1143
01:07:54,315 --> 01:07:59,119
Tourette's. And it was crazy. I was able to control

1144
01:07:59,259 --> 01:08:02,601
it. But man, it took so much out of me.

1145
01:08:02,701 --> 01:08:04,702
And once I kind of let it go, I mean,

1146
01:08:04,722 --> 01:08:06,263
you know, when Mick Jagger says to you, man, you

1147
01:08:06,323 --> 01:08:08,325
got a weird tick, but it's kind of funny with

1148
01:08:08,385 --> 01:08:12,888
an English accent. That's when you're living. Yeah, Mick Jagger

1149
01:08:12,928 --> 01:08:17,871
thinks I'm interesting. Name dropper. I helped her get started

1150
01:08:17,951 --> 01:08:19,452
in show business. Did I ever tell you that story?

1151
01:08:19,892 --> 01:08:24,435
Okay, here we go. Yeah. Yeah, I just remembered. At

1152
01:08:24,555 --> 01:08:27,918
MTV, we had VH1 at the time, and she was

1153
01:08:27,978 --> 01:08:31,300
doing comedy stand-up at Rascals in West Orange, which is

1154
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:33,962
a pretty small place, and she was not really getting

1155
01:08:34,162 --> 01:08:39,585
anywhere very much. And Steve Leeds, who was director of

1156
01:08:39,625 --> 01:08:42,447
On Air Talents, whatever he was, who now does the

1157
01:08:42,507 --> 01:08:46,050
same job at SiriusXM. He said, I really want to

1158
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:49,712
get Rosie O'Donnell on VH1. So Adam, would you please

1159
01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:53,094
do the audition with her? And so essentially I sat

1160
01:08:53,154 --> 01:08:55,096
there and she talked and just made jokes about me

1161
01:08:55,156 --> 01:08:58,938
the whole time, which was, yeah, she said, Adam Curry,

1162
01:08:59,038 --> 01:09:01,180
like you're such a Barbie doll. Like you have Mattel

1163
01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:04,022
stamped on your butt. It was marginally funny, but that's

1164
01:09:04,042 --> 01:09:06,183
how she got started. Then she got on VH1 and

1165
01:09:06,243 --> 01:09:08,485
that's how her career was launched. So I take full

1166
01:09:08,505 --> 01:09:12,607
responsibility. I'm very sorry. Yeah, you could have just gone

1167
01:09:12,667 --> 01:09:14,088
back to the guest and said, you know, she sucks.

1168
01:09:14,509 --> 01:09:17,230
She's really bad. Just don't put her on. It's a

1169
01:09:17,311 --> 01:09:19,232
huge mistake in your career. No, I actually went to

1170
01:09:19,292 --> 01:09:21,753
see her at Rascals in West Orange. She was funny.

1171
01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:25,836
I liked her. But this is awesome. That's what you

1172
01:09:25,936 --> 01:09:28,138
brought on us. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Now,

1173
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,320
of course... Nyet, nyet, nyet, nyet, nyet. Now... Here's one

1174
01:09:31,380 --> 01:09:34,142
for the show. So I left from JFK last night

1175
01:09:34,742 --> 01:09:39,085
on Virgin. And at JFK, you can't actually check your

1176
01:09:39,145 --> 01:09:41,767
bags in at the check-in desk. You have to then

1177
01:09:41,867 --> 01:09:46,730
take your bag to the TSA screening machine, which is

1178
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:49,292
a little bit further up. So I'm rolling my bag

1179
01:09:49,372 --> 01:09:51,073
down. And I knew I had a huge delay, so

1180
01:09:51,093 --> 01:09:53,955
I'm taking my time, and I'm feeling pretty good. And

1181
01:09:54,475 --> 01:09:56,837
so I roll my bag over, and there's this TSA

1182
01:09:57,057 --> 01:09:59,178
agent. She's about 6'2".

1183
01:10:00,592 --> 01:10:06,716
She's extremely milfy. I think she's pushing 30 and late

1184
01:10:06,776 --> 01:10:14,141
30s, 40. And John's stunning, a stunningly. sexy, tall woman

1185
01:10:14,442 --> 01:10:18,184
in uniform. And I'm like, and so, you know, she

1186
01:10:18,224 --> 01:10:19,525
looks at me and I look at her and we're,

1187
01:10:19,565 --> 01:10:21,506
you know, we're eye to eye, right? And you have

1188
01:10:21,506 --> 01:10:23,768
to understand when you're tall, like I am, you just

1189
01:10:23,808 --> 01:10:26,129
don't get that a lot. I'm like, oh, hi. And

1190
01:10:26,349 --> 01:10:28,191
she's like, oh, hi. And I hand off my bag

1191
01:10:28,251 --> 01:10:32,554
and I said, don't you just miss hugging people your

1192
01:10:32,634 --> 01:10:36,316
height? She says, oh, it's been such a long time.

1193
01:10:36,356 --> 01:10:38,117
I said, come here, baby, give me one. So I

1194
01:10:38,257 --> 01:10:40,139
hugged her and we're like, we're doing this big embrace.

1195
01:10:40,579 --> 01:10:43,921
And all of a sudden she realizes she's like, uh,

1196
01:10:45,002 --> 01:10:48,424
you gotta get the girl fired. But it was a

1197
01:10:48,424 --> 01:10:54,148
nice hug. It was good. You have to understand, you

1198
01:10:54,208 --> 01:10:56,610
know, the only time that I had the best hug

1199
01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:57,930
I ever, I think I told you that, the best

1200
01:10:57,970 --> 01:11:02,033
hug I ever had was with Shaquille O'Neal. - Really?

1201
01:11:02,033 --> 01:11:03,554
- Yeah, I was interviewing him. - But he's a

1202
01:11:03,574 --> 01:11:06,476
big dude. - Yeah, he's seven foot whatever, and I

1203
01:11:06,576 --> 01:11:08,758
was interviewing him for something, and I said, "Shaq, can

1204
01:11:08,798 --> 01:11:10,339
I just ask you one last question, man?" He said,

1205
01:11:10,379 --> 01:11:13,001
"Yeah." I said, "I know you can feel my pain

1206
01:11:13,081 --> 01:11:14,582
here. Would you mind if I just hugged you? It

1207
01:11:14,682 --> 01:11:16,483
would be so nice to be hugged by someone bigger

1208
01:11:16,523 --> 01:11:20,606
than me." And he says, "Absolutely." He just engulfed me.

1209
01:11:20,606 --> 01:11:23,147
- Oh, God. - Yeah, it's nice, man. Hugs are

1210
01:11:23,187 --> 01:11:27,990
good. So Kennedy. Oh, that's my buddy. Almost killed you.

1211
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:32,553
I tell that story. She broke my butt. Should I

1212
01:11:32,634 --> 01:11:34,415
tell this? I should probably tell the story? Yeah, you

1213
01:11:34,495 --> 01:11:37,177
might as well re-refrain the story because we have not

1214
01:11:37,237 --> 01:11:41,439
heard it for probably five years. MTV Beach House, first

1215
01:11:41,539 --> 01:11:47,543
year, great idea. We all go out to... Quag, which

1216
01:11:47,664 --> 01:11:49,745
is you got the Hamptons and then you got all

1217
01:11:49,765 --> 01:11:51,946
the poor people. They live in Quag because it's beyond

1218
01:11:51,986 --> 01:11:55,349
the Hamptons. Big house on the beach. It was an

1219
01:11:55,409 --> 01:11:58,831
experiment. Worked out really well. It later became a reality

1220
01:11:58,911 --> 01:12:01,213
show when everybody realized that all that happened in MTV

1221
01:12:01,413 --> 01:12:04,355
Beach House was just a lot of drinking and screwing

1222
01:12:04,435 --> 01:12:07,357
around. So all the VJs would be out there for

1223
01:12:07,377 --> 01:12:09,298
the summer. It was a real pain in the butt.

1224
01:12:09,338 --> 01:12:11,179
You'd drive three and a half hours from the city

1225
01:12:11,219 --> 01:12:14,501
to get there. And, you know, so we did all

1226
01:12:14,521 --> 01:12:17,563
the typical beach house things and then we're on wave

1227
01:12:17,663 --> 01:12:21,086
runners these days known as jet skis, which they're not.

1228
01:12:21,106 --> 01:12:24,848
They're wave runners. And so I'm doing my segment. You

1229
01:12:25,008 --> 01:12:27,070
know, but I'm sitting on the wave runner and the

1230
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:29,591
camera guys on the other wave runner. And, you know,

1231
01:12:29,651 --> 01:12:32,133
I'm doing my segment and all of a sudden Kennedy

1232
01:12:32,373 --> 01:12:36,196
rams into me. with her wave runner thinking she was

1233
01:12:36,316 --> 01:12:39,578
funny and so i i go flying off the wave

1234
01:12:39,638 --> 01:12:43,701
runner and hit my left buttock right on the edge

1235
01:12:43,761 --> 01:12:46,463
of the the wave runner and to this day there's

1236
01:12:46,483 --> 01:12:49,985
still a crease in my butt And it was black

1237
01:12:50,085 --> 01:12:53,908
and blue for months. And she never really said sorry,

1238
01:12:54,048 --> 01:12:56,870
which I've always wanted to talk to her about. And

1239
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:59,631
I almost got on her podcast, but then they canceled

1240
01:12:59,691 --> 01:13:03,514
on me. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. Well, her podcast

1241
01:13:03,594 --> 01:13:06,856
isn't that good. I, of course, have forgiven her since

1242
01:13:06,896 --> 01:13:10,979
then, but it'd be fun to talk about it. Well,

1243
01:13:10,999 --> 01:13:16,723
she's quite lively on Gutfeld. I got butt slammed. That's

1244
01:13:16,763 --> 01:13:19,925
right, Trolls. I literally got butt slammed by Kennedy. There

1245
01:13:19,965 --> 01:13:23,587
you go. So there's a couple things I'll say here,

1246
01:13:23,627 --> 01:13:26,069
you know, because I have been kind of following the

1247
01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:31,312
Osmonds over the past couple weeks, mainly because, you know,

1248
01:13:31,413 --> 01:13:34,094
Marie was in Dancing with the Stars, and I like

1249
01:13:34,154 --> 01:13:36,936
that show. She passed out, right? So that kind of

1250
01:13:36,956 --> 01:13:40,058
got her into the news. I know Donnie. In fact,

1251
01:13:40,118 --> 01:13:43,741
I raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver

1252
01:13:44,861 --> 01:13:48,324
during the, it was an indie event, IndyCar, when I

1253
01:13:48,344 --> 01:13:53,127
was working for MTV. He won the race by the

1254
01:13:53,167 --> 01:13:56,709
way. I was impressed. We were all out partying and

1255
01:13:56,749 --> 01:13:58,671
he was walking the track at 5 in the morning,

1256
01:13:59,031 --> 01:14:01,312
finding the apex and all the fucking perfect curves. He

1257
01:14:01,312 --> 01:14:04,875
wanted to win. He really wanted to win. I raced

1258
01:14:04,955 --> 01:14:10,979
in a Gio. Did you now? Yes. MTV. We followed

1259
01:14:11,019 --> 01:14:15,202
the Indy circuit one year, and it was one year

1260
01:14:15,242 --> 01:14:17,783
they had the race in Denver, the street race in

1261
01:14:17,843 --> 01:14:23,127
Denver. And they had the celebrity. race and it wasn't

1262
01:14:23,127 --> 01:14:25,729
a grand prix or an indie car grand prix style

1263
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:27,910
thing um well it was on the streets it would

1264
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:31,152
be grand prix more than well well it was the

1265
01:14:31,172 --> 01:14:34,595
cars whatever it was the same cars yeah uh except

1266
01:14:34,635 --> 01:14:37,757
for you you had a geo yeah so it was

1267
01:14:37,797 --> 01:14:40,999
like the guy the drummer from white lion johnny gill

1268
01:14:41,539 --> 01:14:43,921
you know uh i'm sure one of the motley crew

1269
01:14:44,001 --> 01:14:46,602
guys was there and i had the in-car camera i

1270
01:14:46,663 --> 01:14:48,824
got to find that footage because i of course i

1271
01:14:48,884 --> 01:14:50,565
went around the corner and crashed into the wall and

1272
01:14:50,605 --> 01:14:54,027
kept going You did? Yeah, yeah. The stick shift had

1273
01:14:54,087 --> 01:14:57,069
come up about two feet, but otherwise it still drove.

1274
01:14:57,510 --> 01:15:00,172
But the commentary, because when you're in the car and

1275
01:15:00,212 --> 01:15:01,973
you're skidding around and you hit the wall and you

1276
01:15:02,073 --> 01:15:05,735
bounce off, it feels like, wow, man, this is spectacular.

1277
01:15:06,155 --> 01:15:09,318
Then you see the footage on TV and the commentator,

1278
01:15:09,738 --> 01:15:12,099
it's literally like, what? Because it's a Geo. They go,

1279
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,761
you know how slow it looks then? It looks like

1280
01:15:14,781 --> 01:15:18,344
I'm a grandma who's lost control. And the guys who

1281
01:15:18,384 --> 01:15:20,445
were going to call the official race are like, oh,

1282
01:15:20,485 --> 01:15:25,388
there's Adam Curry from Oh, okay. I was like, dude,

1283
01:15:25,448 --> 01:15:29,071
can't even hold on to the wheel. My Geo story.

1284
01:15:30,332 --> 01:15:34,274
I've made this mistake myself once. When I was interviewing...

1285
01:15:34,434 --> 01:15:36,456
You can make the mistake, but you can't do it

1286
01:15:37,016 --> 01:15:39,358
on... No, but I just want to tell you how

1287
01:15:39,378 --> 01:15:40,899
embarrassing... I make the mistake all the time, so maybe

1288
01:15:40,939 --> 01:15:43,881
I'm too harsh. Oh, come on. Sidney, you're in the

1289
01:15:43,961 --> 01:15:47,523
news business as a news model. Yeah, if you're in

1290
01:15:47,583 --> 01:15:50,745
the news business, you don't think Sidney is... And he's

1291
01:15:50,885 --> 01:15:55,228
reading this on the prompter. Yes, of course. These people,

1292
01:15:55,588 --> 01:15:58,931
they don't know. Tucker Carlson also, it's all prompter. There's

1293
01:15:58,991 --> 01:16:01,272
nothing that's not from the prompter. He may write some

1294
01:16:01,312 --> 01:16:04,074
of that stuff himself. These people don't write it themselves.

1295
01:16:04,454 --> 01:16:06,976
And they're idiots. They're just idiots. I have done this

1296
01:16:07,056 --> 01:16:13,380
myself. I was interviewing Fleetwood Mac. This is in the

1297
01:16:14,241 --> 01:16:16,522
late. So you had a conversation with with that guy,

1298
01:16:16,622 --> 01:16:21,926
Steve Nix? No, much worse. I said so worse. Yeah,

1299
01:16:21,986 --> 01:16:26,409
worse. I said, so do you think Lindsay Buckingham will

1300
01:16:26,429 --> 01:16:28,810
ever come back into the into the group or is

1301
01:16:28,891 --> 01:16:32,773
she done with it? I remember Mick Fleetwood looking at

1302
01:16:32,813 --> 01:16:40,338
me and going If his penis fell off, maybe. That's

1303
01:16:41,339 --> 01:16:43,900
funny. It was horrible. I don't think it's worse, but

1304
01:16:44,681 --> 01:16:48,684
it's bad. It was for me. Horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible.

1305
01:16:49,925 --> 01:16:54,488
When Mick Fleetwood had brought the band back together briefly

1306
01:16:54,708 --> 01:16:58,530
in the mid, almost late 80s, mid 80s, and it

1307
01:16:58,570 --> 01:17:02,613
was without... I think it was without Lindsey Buckingham. Yeah,

1308
01:17:02,873 --> 01:17:06,796
Lindsey Buckingham was here. Maybe Christine McVie, wasn't it? She

1309
01:17:07,016 --> 01:17:10,918
quit, too. But I remember talking to Mick Fleetwood, doing

1310
01:17:10,958 --> 01:17:15,201
an interview. I had two big gaffes in my career.

1311
01:17:15,882 --> 01:17:18,363
This was the Fleetwood Mac one, where I said, so,

1312
01:17:18,824 --> 01:17:20,645
Lindsey Buckingham, is she going to be on the tour

1313
01:17:20,645 --> 01:17:26,249
this year? The other gaffe, just while we're on it,

1314
01:17:26,569 --> 01:17:29,811
the other gaffe was when I was interviewing Jermaine Jackson,

1315
01:17:29,911 --> 01:17:33,153
who had a song with Pia Sidora, When the Rain

1316
01:17:33,253 --> 01:17:38,437
Begins to Fall, from some movie soundtrack. And, of course,

1317
01:17:38,517 --> 01:17:41,879
I said, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Michael Jackson. You

1318
01:17:41,879 --> 01:17:45,181
know, it's one of those cringe-worthy moments when you do

1319
01:17:45,281 --> 01:17:48,844
that. Riddle me this. Why is that guy's name not

1320
01:17:48,924 --> 01:17:51,505
up there with Hendrix and Clapton and Becks? I mean,

1321
01:17:51,525 --> 01:17:54,828
he is beyond belief. It should absolutely be there. So

1322
01:17:54,928 --> 01:17:59,231
I interviewed him back in the late 80s. And he

1323
01:17:59,311 --> 01:18:01,712
came into the studio because I think it might have

1324
01:18:01,732 --> 01:18:05,094
been Headbangers Ball. I don't remember. And this is, you

1325
01:18:05,135 --> 01:18:07,616
remember these days, Larry, back in the day, like when

1326
01:18:07,936 --> 01:18:11,359
even the VJs got gold and platinum records. And like,

1327
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,100
yeah, thanks for helping, son. Here's something to hang on

1328
01:18:14,140 --> 01:18:20,765
your wall. me his signature Steve Stevens hammer guitar. I

1329
01:18:21,846 --> 01:18:24,587
still have it. I still have it. Signed by Steve

1330
01:18:24,688 --> 01:18:29,551
Stevens. Yeah. He was just a nice guy. Yeah. Yeah.

1331
01:18:29,591 --> 01:18:32,533
And so New York, right? His New York accent. Very

1332
01:18:32,633 --> 01:18:35,034
much so. He literally walked down the street. Oh, he

1333
01:18:35,114 --> 01:18:37,496
just walked down the street to the studio. Had a

1334
01:18:37,536 --> 01:18:39,277
guitar case. Here, Adam, how you doing? These guys were

1335
01:18:39,337 --> 01:18:42,940
all very, very New York. Very New York. Love that

1336
01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:47,703
about him. And then there's a classic guitar story. Joe

1337
01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:51,625
Satriani, who I think is also just virtuoso. The guy

1338
01:18:51,685 --> 01:18:54,227
is so good. You can look it up on YouTube.

1339
01:18:55,088 --> 01:18:59,831
There's two versions. There's a longer version, and he's going

1340
01:18:59,851 --> 01:19:02,453
to give me guitar lessons. He's going to show me.

1341
01:19:02,613 --> 01:19:05,455
Now, I'm not actually holding a guitar, but he has

1342
01:19:05,535 --> 01:19:07,316
a guitar. He says, okay, Adam. And he says, now,

1343
01:19:07,396 --> 01:19:09,858
this is, I mean, he does some, and he has

1344
01:19:09,858 --> 01:19:11,218
a little bit of stuff back and forth, but that's

1345
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:13,780
not really what makes you a great guitar player. And

1346
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,803
here's something you can practice, Adam. faces so it was

1347
01:19:17,863 --> 01:19:23,947
teaching the right face to make when you oh when

1348
01:19:23,987 --> 01:19:25,528
you hit when you hit this one you go you

1349
01:19:25,648 --> 01:19:27,930
gotta get point the lips back like that and you

1350
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:32,393
gotta close your eyes that's what makes a great guitar

1351
01:19:32,453 --> 01:19:36,355
player right there that's great stuff Yeah, you can have

1352
01:19:36,375 --> 01:19:38,837
the sound. It's not in the gear. I mean, Ted

1353
01:19:38,897 --> 01:19:41,178
Nugent told a story about Eddie Van Halen where when

1354
01:19:41,198 --> 01:19:42,439
he met him, he's like, you know, how do you

1355
01:19:42,519 --> 01:19:45,001
get that sound? And Eddie handed him his guitar. He's

1356
01:19:45,021 --> 01:19:46,902
like, I played it. I sound like Ted Nugent still.

1357
01:19:46,962 --> 01:19:50,224
I don't know how he, you know, made those sounds.

1358
01:19:50,304 --> 01:19:53,326
It wasn't trickery. It wasn't gear. It was just pure

1359
01:19:53,407 --> 01:19:56,849
talent in the way he played. Talent and tone, man.

1360
01:19:56,909 --> 01:19:59,270
That's what it is. Yes. And the tone comes in

1361
01:19:59,310 --> 01:19:59,831
the hands.

1362
01:20:00,644 --> 01:20:14,874
Yes, it does. Yeah. You cannot fake it. However, you

1363
01:20:15,014 --> 01:20:18,296
had to play it backwards because it was a gold

1364
01:20:18,356 --> 01:20:20,858
or platinum-plated version of, I guess they call it the

1365
01:20:20,918 --> 01:20:25,241
mother. Right, so it was an inverse, right? Inverse, yeah.

1366
01:20:25,421 --> 01:20:28,803
So you literally had to play it backwards, but they

1367
01:20:29,003 --> 01:20:32,806
did play. They actually did play. Later, it was just...

1368
01:20:34,347 --> 01:20:37,649
I mean, I still, mine still have, later I got

1369
01:20:37,689 --> 01:20:40,991
the CD versions from Michael Jackson and Aerosmith, which is,

1370
01:20:41,152 --> 01:20:42,993
those are some of my, I like those because I

1371
01:20:43,033 --> 01:20:45,995
can always, you know, connect the story to it. But

1372
01:20:45,995 --> 01:20:48,476
I have a lot of the old school platinum and

1373
01:20:48,517 --> 01:20:52,599
gold records and they all have a little cassette stuck

1374
01:20:52,679 --> 01:20:55,982
to the. The right hand bottom corner, you know, because

1375
01:20:56,002 --> 01:20:58,063
it also sold on cassette back in the day. And

1376
01:20:58,083 --> 01:21:00,024
those, of course, over the years have, you know, come

1377
01:21:00,064 --> 01:21:02,066
unglued and dropped and they're kind of loose in the

1378
01:21:02,126 --> 01:21:10,211
case. Memorabilia is fun. Def Leppard. In, I don't know,

1379
01:21:10,411 --> 01:21:15,815
90... Maybe 90 or 91, Def Leppard did a tour

1380
01:21:15,955 --> 01:21:21,519
in the round. And, um... Okay. MTV sent me out

1381
01:21:21,539 --> 01:21:24,621
to go cover him in... man, I want to say

1382
01:21:24,701 --> 01:21:26,982
Atlanta, the Omni, I think that, yeah, I think it

1383
01:21:26,982 --> 01:21:29,484
was the Omni in Atlanta. I think so. I can't

1384
01:21:29,484 --> 01:21:32,326
remember what it was. And they were in the round.

1385
01:21:32,826 --> 01:21:36,569
So, you know, there's audience on all sides. And the

1386
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:39,351
way they got the band, you know, from, you know,

1387
01:21:39,411 --> 01:21:43,674
the dressing room into, you know, underneath the stage was

1388
01:21:44,094 --> 01:21:47,656
in, you know, these big laundry carts. And so before

1389
01:21:47,696 --> 01:21:49,537
the lights went down, you see these folks, you know,

1390
01:21:49,978 --> 01:21:52,339
just push along these laundry courts and the guys got

1391
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,561
out. And that's kind of how I in this the

1392
01:21:54,601 --> 01:21:56,422
way you know the way the memes were working it's

1393
01:21:56,442 --> 01:21:59,964
like yeah just hiding him there But the press is

1394
01:21:59,964 --> 01:22:03,127
mad. That's what they did with David Lee Roth. Wow.

1395
01:22:03,387 --> 01:22:06,589
Here's another story. In the Eat Em and Smile Tour,

1396
01:22:07,690 --> 01:22:09,991
they get him from one side, from the stage to

1397
01:22:10,051 --> 01:22:12,873
the back to ride the surfboard across the audience. He

1398
01:22:12,933 --> 01:22:14,975
rides this giant surfboard. And that's how they had him

1399
01:22:15,015 --> 01:22:17,356
in a road case. But it was a big road

1400
01:22:17,396 --> 01:22:19,057
case. It probably had a seat in it. It probably

1401
01:22:19,097 --> 01:22:23,000
had some Jack Daniels and a fan and whatnot. And

1402
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:26,983
they pushed him over there. And then he floated across

1403
01:22:27,043 --> 01:22:29,264
the crowd on a surfboard. And, of course, the press

1404
01:22:29,364 --> 01:22:31,406
was mad. While Steve I was playing an amazing solo.

1405
01:22:32,646 --> 01:22:34,968
And it was a contest and it was a hundred

1406
01:22:35,028 --> 01:22:38,110
winners and it would be, it was a cool MTV-like

1407
01:22:38,150 --> 01:22:40,392
contest actually. A hundred winners would go to the North

1408
01:22:40,472 --> 01:22:46,456
Pole for a concert with Metallica. Actually, it was Metallica,

1409
01:22:46,876 --> 01:22:52,380
Hole, so Courtney Love, and one other band, I can't

1410
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:55,382
remember. And we did a cybercast from the North Pole,

1411
01:22:55,422 --> 01:22:57,603
and it was pretty interesting, because the only way to

1412
01:22:57,683 --> 01:23:00,365
do it is we took a multiplexer, so we could

1413
01:23:00,385 --> 01:23:03,447
take 24 phone lines and basically convert that into like

1414
01:23:03,707 --> 01:23:08,110
150 kilobits per second or whatever. And we had that

1415
01:23:08,210 --> 01:23:12,593
linked all the way down from Tuk to Yuktuk. which

1416
01:23:12,673 --> 01:23:15,976
is Northwestern territory. So, and, you know, literally like, you

1417
01:23:16,616 --> 01:23:21,359
know, a couple miles inside the Arctic Circle there. Well,

1418
01:23:21,379 --> 01:23:23,240
let's get back to the how did you get to

1419
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:52,200
the North Pole? the dark period it was light for

1420
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:57,423
24 hours straight which was really really weird Um... And,

1421
01:23:57,483 --> 01:23:59,965
of course, you're up there. We had our crew, and

1422
01:24:00,726 --> 01:24:04,528
we're sleeping in the oil barracks, if you will. And

1423
01:24:04,848 --> 01:24:08,491
as is Metallica, as is everybody. And so, you know,

1424
01:24:08,771 --> 01:24:13,094
we're looking. There's nothing to do, obviously. And it's dry,

1425
01:24:13,214 --> 01:24:15,215
right? There's no alcohol. It's forbidden. But, you know, we

1426
01:24:15,295 --> 01:24:17,717
figure we can probably figure something out. So we go

1427
01:24:17,817 --> 01:24:20,439
outside and it's midnight. But, you know, kids are riding

1428
01:24:20,459 --> 01:24:22,260
around on their bikes and it's as if it were

1429
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,342
midday. And so some of the kids come over and

1430
01:24:25,382 --> 01:24:29,625
we're, you know, say, hey. Wait, wait, wait. Let's back

1431
01:24:29,745 --> 01:24:32,047
up a minute. There's a bunch of people at the

1432
01:24:32,127 --> 01:24:35,409
North Pole. Well, it's not exactly on the North Pole,

1433
01:24:35,509 --> 01:24:40,392
North Pole. within. I don't know. What is it? 50

1434
01:24:40,452 --> 01:24:48,838
miles, 75 miles. Yeah. There's all kinds of villages. I

1435
01:24:48,838 --> 01:24:51,240
thought it was pretty barren up there. It was pretty

1436
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:56,483
barren up there. Oh, okay. No kidding. You know, the

1437
01:24:56,503 --> 01:25:00,686
next town was several hundred miles, and that was... Inuvik,

1438
01:25:01,166 --> 01:25:08,811
I think is what it was called. Anyway. September actually,

1439
01:25:08,811 --> 01:25:10,893
I remember because it was my birthday. I put my

1440
01:25:11,293 --> 01:25:15,656
toe into the Arctic waters. of the pole. I dip

1441
01:25:15,716 --> 01:25:17,417
my toe in. It's a tradition, I think, is what

1442
01:25:17,457 --> 01:25:19,619
it was. So we say to these kids, hey, man,

1443
01:25:19,639 --> 01:25:22,721
do you know we can-- Tradition. --we can get something.

1444
01:25:24,142 --> 01:25:26,003
Oh, you want the drug dealer? Yeah, he lives in

1445
01:25:26,003 --> 01:25:29,625
that house right over there. drunk dealer. I swear to

1446
01:25:29,665 --> 01:25:33,608
God. These kids riding around on their bikes. It was

1447
01:25:33,688 --> 01:25:39,712
a fantastic experience. Well, you got me on that one.

1448
01:25:40,953 --> 01:25:43,615
I know another guy who, like a year or so

1449
01:25:43,695 --> 01:25:47,357
ago, went to Antarctica. There's a cruise, I guess, you

1450
01:25:47,397 --> 01:25:51,080
can take. Icebreaker. Icebreaker cruise. Yeah, I think I've heard

1451
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,302
about that. Yeah, you leave from somewhere in South America.

1452
01:25:54,422 --> 01:25:57,324
It gets down at the tip, down in southern Argentina,

1453
01:25:57,444 --> 01:26:01,707
I suppose. and boat over there and crack your way

1454
01:26:01,787 --> 01:26:04,108
into the... And that's supposed to be even worse than

1455
01:26:04,209 --> 01:26:08,852
the Arctic. It relates to why I was there. I

1456
01:26:08,912 --> 01:26:13,155
was shooting a television commercial for Sam Goody. And we're

1457
01:26:13,175 --> 01:26:14,916
shooting it at the Sam Goody store in the Mall

1458
01:26:14,976 --> 01:26:17,237
of America because, of course, that's their flagship store. It's

1459
01:26:17,257 --> 01:26:20,139
the biggest one or whatever. And so it's like a

1460
01:26:20,139 --> 01:26:22,321
three-day shoot. And the second night I'm there, I get

1461
01:26:22,321 --> 01:26:25,183
a call around midnight in the hotel room. So I

1462
01:26:25,243 --> 01:26:29,846
pick it up and, yeah. Yeah, Prince has a party

1463
01:26:29,926 --> 01:26:32,728
over at Paisley Park, which is famously in Minneapolis as

1464
01:26:32,768 --> 01:26:34,729
well. He says, do you want to come? I'm like,

1465
01:26:34,929 --> 01:26:37,591
let me think. Yeah. He said, okay, well, there's a

1466
01:26:37,631 --> 01:26:40,453
car downstairs waiting for you. And so I got whisked

1467
01:26:40,513 --> 01:26:44,996
away to the Purple Palace. And there was a party

1468
01:26:45,636 --> 01:26:52,381
at the Paisley Park. Yeah, it's a happening town. So

1469
01:26:52,921 --> 01:26:55,303
how was the party? Did you get to meet Prince?

1470
01:26:55,523 --> 01:26:57,244
Yeah. Was he going by the name Prince at the

1471
01:26:57,264 --> 01:27:01,147
time? Yeah. No, I think he was going by the

1472
01:27:01,147 --> 01:27:03,949
name of Prince at the time. Yeah. So you come

1473
01:27:04,069 --> 01:27:06,450
in, you go through a metal detector, which makes sense.

1474
01:27:06,490 --> 01:27:09,252
And then there's a whole bunch. It's really clean. Now

1475
01:27:09,332 --> 01:27:11,494
you know you're going to a real party. Real party

1476
01:27:11,494 --> 01:27:14,956
when you go through a metal detector. Yeah. So it

1477
01:27:14,956 --> 01:27:19,999
was a big room, lit, but dimly lit, but a

1478
01:27:20,140 --> 01:27:24,603
white room across one side. just the nicest buffet I'd

1479
01:27:24,683 --> 01:27:26,884
seen in a long, long time. And there was a

1480
01:27:26,944 --> 01:27:29,706
DJ with like a mobile setup, and he was playing

1481
01:27:29,826 --> 01:27:32,348
all kinds of Prince tunes you've never heard before in

1482
01:27:32,368 --> 01:27:34,669
your life. And it's like, there must have been 150

1483
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:38,732
beautiful girls and boys, nothing else, of course. It was

1484
01:27:38,752 --> 01:27:41,214
kind of funny, because Prince was standing over by the

1485
01:27:41,274 --> 01:27:45,677
speakers near the DJ. And I was talking to a

1486
01:27:45,757 --> 01:27:46,797
couple of people. I said, I'm going to go over

1487
01:27:46,817 --> 01:27:48,619
and say hi to him. And this one girl, I

1488
01:27:48,699 --> 01:27:50,820
kid you not, says, oh, you better not do that,

1489
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,322
man. You better not. Why not? Well, because you're like

1490
01:27:54,443 --> 01:27:56,824
six feet tall and you're white, man. That's two strikes.

1491
01:27:56,824 --> 01:27:59,006
You don't want to be talking to Prince. Fuck you.

1492
01:27:59,526 --> 01:28:02,108
So I went over, introduced myself. And the guy was

1493
01:28:02,148 --> 01:28:06,230
not, first of all, he's not that small. You know,

1494
01:28:06,411 --> 01:28:08,232
the stories about him, you think he was an Oompa

1495
01:28:08,312 --> 01:28:13,896
Loompa. But anyway, and he was really nice and he

1496
01:28:13,996 --> 01:28:16,137
knew, you know, what I had done on MTV just

1497
01:28:16,157 --> 01:28:19,519
the previous week and he said, and my daughter had

1498
01:28:19,559 --> 01:28:22,822
been born maybe she's a year old and said, how's

1499
01:28:22,882 --> 01:28:24,843
your daughter? And he knew what was going on. It

1500
01:28:24,903 --> 01:28:29,406
was fantastic. He's a business. He's a artist slash businessman.

1501
01:28:29,426 --> 01:28:32,288
Absolutely. Why would he be a jerk like this girl

1502
01:28:32,408 --> 01:28:34,990
thinks? Because, well, she obviously likes to project that image

1503
01:28:35,050 --> 01:28:36,991
for good reason because he doesn't want to be bothered

1504
01:28:37,011 --> 01:28:39,093
by every schmuck in the world. By her in particular,

1505
01:28:39,153 --> 01:28:44,396
I think. And the coolest thing, though, was because the

1506
01:28:44,416 --> 01:28:46,357
party ends at a certain point. You know, Prince, of

1507
01:28:46,397 --> 01:28:48,359
course, he only made his appearance and he was there

1508
01:28:48,419 --> 01:28:51,521
for a little while and then he disappeared. And then

1509
01:28:51,581 --> 01:28:54,563
all of a sudden, you know, his guys come through

1510
01:28:54,603 --> 01:28:56,484
this room and all they do is they just kind

1511
01:28:56,524 --> 01:29:00,567
of like flick flashlights on and off pointed at the

1512
01:29:00,627 --> 01:29:03,349
floor. And they just walk around. They're clicking their flashlights

1513
01:29:03,369 --> 01:29:05,010
and everyone knows, oh, it's time to go. And then

1514
01:29:05,130 --> 01:29:09,013
within 15 minutes, the whole place was empty. Huh. Yeah.

1515
01:29:10,514 --> 01:29:15,057
So like a slick party. Very slick party. In hindsight

1516
01:29:15,077 --> 01:29:17,598
though, I was thinking, you know, we started our careers

1517
01:29:17,638 --> 01:29:20,140
around the same time and I work with her. When

1518
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:23,242
I was 19, I think she was 20, maybe I

1519
01:29:23,262 --> 01:29:25,764
was 20, she was 21, and she was on the

1520
01:29:25,784 --> 01:29:29,486
show I was presenting at the time in Gitmo Nation

1521
01:29:29,546 --> 01:29:33,209
Lowlands. And this was when she had her first hit,

1522
01:29:33,249 --> 01:29:35,991
I Want to Dance with Somebody. And I recall thinking,

1523
01:29:36,051 --> 01:29:39,753
wow, she's really strange. She was a complete, in hindsight

1524
01:29:39,813 --> 01:29:42,435
now I realize she was, of course, an MKUltra subject.

1525
01:29:42,975 --> 01:29:47,398
She was completely mind-controlled. Did whatever her handlers told her

1526
01:29:47,438 --> 01:29:50,581
to do, not a single smile. We were young, you

1527
01:29:50,621 --> 01:29:51,901
know, like when you're young, you're supposed to be like,

1528
01:29:51,941 --> 01:29:53,703
man, isn't this cool? Can you believe this shit? This

1529
01:29:53,963 --> 01:29:56,605
is awesome. Look what we're doing. We're on TV. You're

1530
01:29:56,645 --> 01:29:59,907
singing. You know, no, just nothing. Just a complete non.

1531
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:03,863
Blink stare. Raquel Welch passed away and that reminded me

1532
01:30:03,943 --> 01:30:06,144
that I met her in the late 80s. Raquel? You

1533
01:30:06,164 --> 01:30:10,587
called her Raquel? Raquel. Raquel Welch. I thought the other

1534
01:30:10,607 --> 01:30:12,989
name was funnier. You did meet her. How was she?

1535
01:30:13,069 --> 01:30:15,190
What kind of a person was she? I met her

1536
01:30:15,210 --> 01:30:18,432
in the late 80s. Maybe it was like 88, 89.

1537
01:30:18,632 --> 01:30:20,694
And I can't remember if she was in a movie

1538
01:30:20,894 --> 01:30:22,535
or she was part of a, maybe it was some

1539
01:30:22,575 --> 01:30:25,297
promotion. And I remember MTV said, oh, you should go

1540
01:30:25,357 --> 01:30:27,098
there and make it, you know, she'd go and see

1541
01:30:27,138 --> 01:30:28,799
what's going on or something. I didn't know what it

1542
01:30:28,839 --> 01:30:30,640
was. It was very early on at MTV when I

1543
01:30:30,780 --> 01:30:33,162
still lived in the city. Did she make a pass

1544
01:30:33,262 --> 01:30:38,165
at you? No, she was really very quiet. very docile

1545
01:30:38,285 --> 01:30:41,708
like just almost like you know almost didn't say anything

1546
01:30:42,528 --> 01:30:45,490
and and she must have been like 50 or early

1547
01:30:45,570 --> 01:30:47,792
50s then here's the thing here's the thing that i

1548
01:30:47,892 --> 01:30:51,734
noticed And this is going to sound weird, but it's

1549
01:30:51,734 --> 01:30:53,756
the only story I have about Raquel Welch. I'll never

1550
01:30:53,796 --> 01:30:58,939
get to tell it again. Just like Christina Applegate, she

1551
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:03,842
had a layer of fur, a fuzz. like all over

1552
01:31:03,902 --> 01:31:06,844
her face and her arms, very light, very, you know,

1553
01:31:06,864 --> 01:31:10,247
like bleach probably, just fur. Like her face had... Furry.

1554
01:31:10,427 --> 01:31:13,489
Yes, her face had fuzz on it. And I remember

1555
01:31:13,509 --> 01:31:15,830
going, wow, that's kind of interesting. And the same thing

1556
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:17,692
happened to me when I met Christina Applegate at the

1557
01:31:17,752 --> 01:31:22,615
MTV Awards one time. Some women have fur. Did I

1558
01:31:22,635 --> 01:31:25,597
ever tell you that, that I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis?

1559
01:31:26,557 --> 01:31:31,481
No, this is a story for the show. Yes. Did

1560
01:31:31,481 --> 01:31:33,382
she hit on you? Because you were a good-looking guy

1561
01:31:33,502 --> 01:31:37,485
back in the day. I was into it. What is

1562
01:31:37,525 --> 01:31:42,528
this, Dvorak? I'm still a stud. Back in the day.

1563
01:31:42,568 --> 01:31:49,973
I digress. It was probably 19... When did Footloose come

1564
01:31:50,133 --> 01:31:55,016
out? So Footloose came out. I think it was either

1565
01:31:55,096 --> 01:32:00,180
foot or mouth. I interviewed Kenny Loggins. And maybe it

1566
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:05,443
was... Top Gear. I can't remember. But then, oh, yes,

1567
01:32:05,523 --> 01:32:08,305
because we're doing something for the MTV Awards. I was

1568
01:32:08,345 --> 01:32:10,627
in Los Angeles and then I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis

1569
01:32:10,727 --> 01:32:13,309
and it was right around when Fish Called Wanda was

1570
01:32:13,369 --> 01:32:17,511
coming out. and was at her house. And I remember

1571
01:32:17,551 --> 01:32:20,153
it was, she said, so it was after we were

1572
01:32:20,213 --> 01:32:23,916
done recording, and we're just chatting, and she says something

1573
01:32:23,976 --> 01:32:25,537
to me, and I don't get the joke, and she

1574
01:32:25,597 --> 01:32:29,319
says, Adam, don't you know I was born a hermaphrodite?

1575
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:35,183
And I'm like, what? He says, yes, my parents chose

1576
01:32:35,243 --> 01:32:39,786
female for me, but probably was the wrong choice. Well,

1577
01:32:39,826 --> 01:32:42,548
she said it was probably the wrong choice. Yes, that

1578
01:32:42,608 --> 01:32:45,650
that was probably the wrong choice for her. Isn't that

1579
01:32:45,650 --> 01:32:49,813
interesting? Then we walk out for coffee. Then coffee, we're

1580
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:53,355
back in the cocktail reception area. And the king and

1581
01:32:53,415 --> 01:32:56,337
queen are just mingling. And the queen comes over and

1582
01:32:56,377 --> 01:32:59,940
I'm talking with her for 20 minutes, just drinking coffee.

1583
01:32:59,980 --> 01:33:03,482
And she's very tall. And she, I'd say, well, she

1584
01:33:03,502 --> 01:33:05,904
had five inch heels on. I looked very closely at

1585
01:33:05,904 --> 01:33:07,685
what she was wearing because I know I had to

1586
01:33:07,745 --> 01:33:10,887
report to a number of women in my life. I

1587
01:33:11,187 --> 01:33:18,952
mean, she's a very charming woman. Deep brown eyes. Lots

1588
01:33:19,012 --> 01:33:22,815
of wrinkles around the eyes. Very little, very little makeup.

1589
01:33:23,115 --> 01:33:26,477
Maybe just a base. Almost nothing. Hair. This was not

1590
01:33:26,477 --> 01:33:27,918
a big public event. I don't even know if she

1591
01:33:28,058 --> 01:33:32,121
washed it. It looked stringy. No, I'm being honest. I'm

1592
01:33:32,161 --> 01:33:34,042
being honest. Yeah, a little bit like a hippie girl.

1593
01:33:34,282 --> 01:33:36,784
And by the way, about halfway through this 20 minutes,

1594
01:33:36,804 --> 01:33:38,905
there was a hair flip. I just want to say.

1595
01:33:41,027 --> 01:33:44,669
I'm like, oh, hair flip. Uh, Gray- I'm not glad

1596
01:33:44,729 --> 01:33:46,791
you noted that, that's good. Was right next to me!

1597
01:33:47,711 --> 01:33:49,653
Did she hit you in the face with her hand

1598
01:33:49,733 --> 01:33:52,114
or anything in the process? No, no, no. There was

1599
01:33:52,334 --> 01:33:55,737
a, so she was wearing a gray pencil skirt. What

1600
01:33:56,237 --> 01:33:59,099
bugged me was the jacket. These details aren't interesting. There

1601
01:33:59,139 --> 01:34:01,240
are women who listen to the show, John. Think about

1602
01:34:01,260 --> 01:34:05,123
the demo. the demo just for a second she was

1603
01:34:05,183 --> 01:34:07,945
wearing a gray pencil skirt yeah the problem was the

1604
01:34:08,045 --> 01:34:11,327
jacket was so how many pencils does it make so

1605
01:34:11,567 --> 01:34:14,149
ill-fitting in the back that the it was like she

1606
01:34:14,189 --> 01:34:16,130
was holding her shoulder blades back and it was kind

1607
01:34:16,190 --> 01:34:21,194
of the perch this is unacceptable it was It's like

1608
01:34:21,234 --> 01:34:23,275
no one looked at her and said, nah, that jacket's

1609
01:34:23,315 --> 01:34:27,858
no good. Only vintage jewelry, very understated, but not really

1610
01:34:27,978 --> 01:34:30,820
pretty. Just looked like old grandma's old stuff. I'm sure

1611
01:34:30,820 --> 01:34:33,782
it was grandma's old stuff. You know, the old queen.

1612
01:34:33,822 --> 01:34:36,384
Yeah, it was grandma's old stuff. Yeah, sure. But, you

1613
01:34:36,424 --> 01:34:40,907
know, nothing like mind-boggling. Just, I was like, eh. You

1614
01:34:40,967 --> 01:34:47,191
know, wasn't really spectacular. That's just me. So then, but

1615
01:34:47,371 --> 01:34:54,536
listen. And she says, How's your daughter? She's great. Yeah,

1616
01:34:54,776 --> 01:34:58,939
yeah. She's doing all kinds of fun things. Comparing notes

1617
01:34:59,019 --> 01:35:02,561
as parents about, you know, my daughters, they're now 15.

1618
01:35:02,681 --> 01:35:07,404
I think they know everything. And your girlfriend or wife,

1619
01:35:07,484 --> 01:35:10,386
girlfriend, she works at Ronald McDonald House. Yeah, she runs

1620
01:35:10,386 --> 01:35:14,749
the whole thing. So, yeah. And she knew everything, all

1621
01:35:14,829 --> 01:35:16,871
this stuff, all these details. Yeah, they had the dossier

1622
01:35:16,991 --> 01:35:21,694
open. Yeah. The two of them got together before the

1623
01:35:21,774 --> 01:35:22,855
thing? I said, what do you think we should talk

1624
01:35:22,915 --> 01:35:24,976
about with these idiots? Well, I think they must have...

1625
01:35:25,036 --> 01:35:26,837
I don't know. Let's see what we got here. I'm

1626
01:35:26,937 --> 01:35:28,979
hoping... Look at this. Well, this curry guy's kind of

1627
01:35:29,159 --> 01:35:33,061
interesting. I met the Queen. She invited me to Buckingham

1628
01:35:33,121 --> 01:35:35,503
Palace. I went into the front gates with the chauffeured

1629
01:35:35,583 --> 01:35:39,626
car, you know, waited in this hall with other people.

1630
01:35:39,746 --> 01:35:42,548
Give the preface, give us a little idea. You weren't

1631
01:35:42,548 --> 01:35:45,470
just, oh, let's get Adam over. That's exactly how it

1632
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:48,071
was. Is there some other reason? No, it was just,

1633
01:35:48,131 --> 01:35:50,353
hey, he's in town. I hear he's in town. He's

1634
01:35:50,353 --> 01:35:54,676
a podfather. Bring that mofo over. It was the relaunch

1635
01:35:54,776 --> 01:36:00,119
of the Queen's website. the royal website and uh and

1636
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,661
so there was a a party and it was what's

1637
01:36:02,741 --> 01:36:07,965
the um Tim Berners-Lee. So maybe it came through him.

1638
01:36:08,125 --> 01:36:09,746
That would be something that he would have said, oh,

1639
01:36:09,806 --> 01:36:14,689
yes, Curry's here. um and uh i i still had

1640
01:36:14,729 --> 01:36:16,911
the invitation it was beautiful you know like a like

1641
01:36:16,911 --> 01:36:23,355
a block of wood Her Majesty requests your attendance. And

1642
01:36:23,415 --> 01:36:25,076
so they pick you up in a car. It was

1643
01:36:25,136 --> 01:36:28,939
a Mercedes, by the way. Oh, the horrors. And they

1644
01:36:29,019 --> 01:36:30,980
went right through those front gates of Buckingham Palace. And

1645
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,822
then we went in this big hall and waited for,

1646
01:36:33,862 --> 01:36:36,103
I don't know, 20 minutes. But it was a hall

1647
01:36:36,143 --> 01:36:38,985
that was interesting because it had just all these master

1648
01:36:39,666 --> 01:36:42,508
artworks that you recognize. Oh, that looks like Rembrandt Van

1649
01:36:42,548 --> 01:36:45,109
Gogh, but you don't really recognize the painting. And then

1650
01:36:45,149 --> 01:36:46,330
we go in and then we all get to meet

1651
01:36:46,350 --> 01:36:49,092
the queen. And she's standing on a box, of course,

1652
01:36:49,432 --> 01:36:53,135
and she had her gloves on and she wasn't holding

1653
01:36:53,175 --> 01:36:56,077
her handbag like she was in that picture meeting the

1654
01:36:56,157 --> 01:36:59,679
new prime minister. And I did something which you're not

1655
01:36:59,699 --> 01:37:02,581
really supposed to do, but I promised myself I had

1656
01:37:02,641 --> 01:37:05,263
to do it. And I looked into her eyes when

1657
01:37:05,303 --> 01:37:09,105
I shook her hand. You're not supposed to do it?

1658
01:37:09,646 --> 01:37:12,107
No, no, you're not supposed to. Are you supposed to

1659
01:37:12,107 --> 01:37:15,490
look down or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I saw

1660
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:20,193
nothing. It was kind of eerie. She's a robot! Kind

1661
01:37:20,273 --> 01:37:22,274
of eerie. I don't know, I don't know, man. They

1662
01:37:22,314 --> 01:37:24,295
weren't slanty, so I don't think she's of the list,

1663
01:37:24,335 --> 01:37:27,477
or she hadn't transformed. And the only other thing I

1664
01:37:27,538 --> 01:37:31,100
can really say is that she served mums champagne. which

1665
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:36,584
is kind of like, really? I mean, that's like... $20

1666
01:37:36,904 --> 01:37:40,046
a bottle in HEB. Well, it's not that cheap, but

1667
01:37:40,126 --> 01:37:43,888
it's a real champagne. And they have a higher end

1668
01:37:43,968 --> 01:37:46,990
version. It was just a standard, standard mums. It's not

1669
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:50,273
really that great. And I'm sure I voted for Bill

1670
01:37:50,333 --> 01:37:54,475
Clinton. I'm quite sure of it, you know, because it

1671
01:37:54,515 --> 01:38:00,339
was cool. Boxes or briefs, Mr. President. And I got

1672
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:02,621
an invitation from Hillary to go visit the White House.

1673
01:38:03,201 --> 01:38:05,323
Did you really? I want to know more about this.

1674
01:38:05,903 --> 01:38:10,166
Yeah, I wish. I wish. You didn't go? No, I

1675
01:38:10,226 --> 01:38:12,407
was on assignment. I think at the time I was

1676
01:38:12,587 --> 01:38:15,730
doing the... I was the only guy who could ski

1677
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:21,934
at MTV. And they did a deal with the pro-Mogul

1678
01:38:22,094 --> 01:38:26,417
skiing tour, which meant someone had to go out. Unfortunately,

1679
01:38:26,437 --> 01:38:29,559
someone had to go to every single awesome skiing place

1680
01:38:29,659 --> 01:38:34,602
in the United States and British Columbia. I went to

1681
01:38:34,682 --> 01:38:38,405
Whistler and I would do the top 20 countdown, a

1682
01:38:38,445 --> 01:38:42,067
couple of segments. And when I got back, someone said,

1683
01:38:42,167 --> 01:38:44,148
oh, yeah, this came to you up at the office.

1684
01:38:44,168 --> 01:38:46,710
And you have to understand, the office and the studio,

1685
01:38:46,750 --> 01:38:50,353
there was two different worlds. The MTV News department, which

1686
01:38:50,453 --> 01:38:53,214
came in at a certain point, and they hated us.

1687
01:38:53,355 --> 01:38:56,337
They just hated the VJs. VJs were just scum to

1688
01:38:56,397 --> 01:38:59,259
them. We never got invited to the Video Music Awards.

1689
01:38:59,379 --> 01:39:01,220
Oh, yeah, you can have a ticket. Oh, yeah, you

1690
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,261
can get a ticket if you fly yourself out. Oh,

1691
01:39:03,261 --> 01:39:07,984
yeah. Wow. Yeah. And this invitation had come in from

1692
01:39:08,004 --> 01:39:09,765
the White House. I still have it. It had come

1693
01:39:09,806 --> 01:39:12,767
in from the White House. The First Lady requests your

1694
01:39:12,828 --> 01:39:17,050
presence. but so I it already passed by the time

1695
01:39:17,090 --> 01:39:20,373
I got the invitation You gotta say hello to General

1696
01:39:20,373 --> 01:39:22,094
Flynn, General Flynn. Come on over, come on over, come

1697
01:39:22,094 --> 01:39:23,034
on over, come on, come on, come on, come on,

1698
01:39:23,074 --> 01:39:27,117
come on, come on. You make him sound like a

1699
01:39:27,177 --> 01:39:30,059
cat in a cartoon. Anybody who knows Joe will be

1700
01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:32,781
like, that's Joe. That sounds exactly like Joe. Yeah, okay.

1701
01:39:33,261 --> 01:39:38,605
And so we go over like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1702
01:39:38,965 --> 01:39:42,347
do a picture, do a picture. And Flynn is there

1703
01:39:42,407 --> 01:39:45,749
basically just being inundated by people the whole time, taking

1704
01:39:45,749 --> 01:39:48,831
pictures with him. Yeah, that's what he does. He's got

1705
01:39:48,892 --> 01:39:52,014
his tuxedo on. And then we line up for a

1706
01:39:52,074 --> 01:39:54,155
picture. And then Joe's like, did you ask him where

1707
01:39:54,235 --> 01:39:56,116
Putin was? He looked around. That's what I would have

1708
01:39:56,116 --> 01:39:59,038
done. I mean, I barely had time to thank him

1709
01:39:59,118 --> 01:39:59,939
for his service.

1710
01:40:01,093 --> 01:40:03,955
But Joe was like, yeah, this is General General. This

1711
01:40:04,015 --> 01:40:06,836
is Adam Creep, Headbangers Ball. And Flynn looks at me,

1712
01:40:06,997 --> 01:40:12,920
huh? What? Headbangers Ball? What of all the things Joe

1713
01:40:12,961 --> 01:40:15,602
could have said about me is like, hey, Headbangers Ball.

1714
01:40:16,823 --> 01:40:21,626
Oh, brother. Flynn gave me a look like, OK, who's

1715
01:40:21,686 --> 01:40:26,770
the lawyer? because I had my suit on. Remember Gopher

1716
01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:32,714
and Usenet? Those were the days. Gopher. Gopher, man. That

1717
01:40:32,754 --> 01:40:34,655
was the pre-Golden Age. Did I ever tell you my

1718
01:40:34,755 --> 01:40:40,799
gopher story? No. Yeah, probably, but tell me again because

1719
01:40:40,859 --> 01:40:43,721
I easily forget some of these stories. So I'd registered

1720
01:40:43,821 --> 01:40:47,243
MTV.com. Then I ran it on a Headless Son 3

1721
01:40:47,403 --> 01:40:52,106
at DigX in Virginia, I think, above a Chinese restaurant.

1722
01:40:52,427 --> 01:40:55,329
And I really just said, what domain names? I don't

1723
01:40:55,329 --> 01:40:58,211
know, MTV.com. Okay, boom, didn't have to pay anything. Same

1724
01:40:58,891 --> 01:41:00,732
time I got Curry.com. I was like, okay, I'll get

1725
01:41:00,752 --> 01:41:02,854
that. And Elvis.com, I had that, a lot of domain

1726
01:41:02,894 --> 01:41:05,675
names. And of course there was no web then, so

1727
01:41:05,736 --> 01:41:08,557
I set up a Gopher server. And that, you know,

1728
01:41:08,617 --> 01:41:11,840
for me as a VJ blonde and everything, you know,

1729
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,542
setting, compiling binaries and doing all those, it was quite

1730
01:41:15,562 --> 01:41:17,363
a learning curve, but I got it to work. And

1731
01:41:17,403 --> 01:41:18,964
I put up little bits and bobs. Now, for those

1732
01:41:18,964 --> 01:41:20,285
of you who don't know what Gopher is, it was

1733
01:41:20,305 --> 01:41:23,707
a text-based navigation system with hyperlinks and was pretty much

1734
01:41:23,727 --> 01:41:26,309
the precursor to the web. And then I got a

1735
01:41:26,349 --> 01:41:29,691
cease and desist from the University of Minnesota. And they

1736
01:41:29,711 --> 01:41:31,893
said, well, you're using that commercially. I said, no, this

1737
01:41:31,933 --> 01:41:33,934
is not MTV. This is me. I'm doing it. They're

1738
01:41:33,934 --> 01:41:35,916
letting me do this because they don't think the internet

1739
01:41:35,916 --> 01:41:37,977
is going to be anything. And they're very proud of

1740
01:41:38,017 --> 01:41:40,479
the keywords they have on AOL. So we're had, they're

1741
01:41:40,499 --> 01:41:43,701
all happy. Yeah. Keyword MTV. That's right. Yeah. And music

1742
01:41:43,761 --> 01:41:46,523
television. Whoa, it was a double whammy. And I think

1743
01:41:46,543 --> 01:41:49,164
they also had some gateway on Prodigy, so they were

1744
01:41:49,284 --> 01:41:52,787
all set. I didn't realize that Gopher had a provision

1745
01:41:52,887 --> 01:41:56,629
against commercialism. Yes. And they said, you need to pay

1746
01:41:56,709 --> 01:42:01,192
us $5,000. I'm like, I don't have $5,000. I don't

1747
01:42:01,232 --> 01:42:04,555
have it. And, uh, but I came up with, you

1748
01:42:04,595 --> 01:42:07,056
just had a website. Where'd the gopher angle come in?

1749
01:42:07,817 --> 01:42:11,339
Because I was, I was using gopher on mtv.com. So

1750
01:42:11,399 --> 01:42:13,721
when you could use it, you know, it's a gopher

1751
01:42:13,781 --> 01:42:15,822
D. So it's a demon. It's a service. It's the

1752
01:42:15,922 --> 01:42:19,364
actual software that makes gopher work. Okay. So they were

1753
01:42:19,384 --> 01:42:21,906
saying you have to pay a license. I can't pay

1754
01:42:21,926 --> 01:42:24,148
that. And then we came up with a deal and

1755
01:42:24,188 --> 01:42:26,349
you can, if you, if you search for this on

1756
01:42:26,389 --> 01:42:28,691
YouTube, you'll find it. I said, what I'll do is

1757
01:42:28,791 --> 01:42:33,874
I'll wear the university of, uh, Minnesota, I think. I'll

1758
01:42:33,914 --> 01:42:37,777
wear your Gopher t-shirt on MTV. You mean like a

1759
01:42:37,817 --> 01:42:40,078
sweatshirt or a t-shirt? No, a t-shirt. And they said,

1760
01:42:40,158 --> 01:42:44,921
okay. That was it. That's worth 5,000 bucks. Probably more

1761
01:42:44,961 --> 01:42:50,025
at the time, but yeah. Anyway, I've never heard that

1762
01:42:50,085 --> 01:42:53,487
story. Yeah. I think I remember that one. That's pretty.

1763
01:42:53,487 --> 01:42:58,110
That's what happened. Watching this trial, though, took me back

1764
01:42:58,931 --> 01:43:04,414
to my time in court with MTV Networks. And particularly

1765
01:43:04,434 --> 01:43:08,437
during the prosecution, I recall so vividly having gone through,

1766
01:43:08,437 --> 01:43:10,318
because, you know, I had, for those who don't know

1767
01:43:10,338 --> 01:43:14,101
it, I'd registered. Prosecution? Were you under some criminal indictment?

1768
01:43:14,141 --> 01:43:16,542
That's the way I felt. It felt like prosecution. It

1769
01:43:16,642 --> 01:43:19,544
was the lawyer for MTV. It was the lawyer for

1770
01:43:19,644 --> 01:43:22,426
MTV. Felt like prosecution. You were being sued. Let me

1771
01:43:22,546 --> 01:43:25,088
explain how it felt, though, because I think it's the

1772
01:43:25,168 --> 01:43:28,450
same general thing. And so this is about MTV.com, which

1773
01:43:28,510 --> 01:43:30,852
I registered. They said, don't worry about it. We don't

1774
01:43:30,892 --> 01:43:34,294
give a shit about the Internet. and they didn't even

1775
01:43:34,374 --> 01:43:35,915
ask for it back. They just sued me, so I

1776
01:43:36,015 --> 01:43:38,557
countersued and went back and forth. So then we went

1777
01:43:38,577 --> 01:43:41,939
through discovery. And I, you know, I was literally... with

1778
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:47,203
two interns for days in a lawyer's office pulling emails

1779
01:43:47,283 --> 01:43:50,485
off of floppy disks. This is how, I mean, this

1780
01:43:50,545 --> 01:43:53,006
is a long time ago. This is 1994, I think.

1781
01:43:54,888 --> 01:44:00,071
But I recall so vividly MTV's lawyer presenting their case

1782
01:44:00,812 --> 01:44:06,375
and sitting there going. Well, e- shit, did I do

1783
01:44:06,435 --> 01:44:09,938
something wrong? If you put it that way, it sounds

1784
01:44:09,998 --> 01:44:13,140
like I'm a horrible person. And even though it's just

1785
01:44:13,140 --> 01:44:16,322
like, well, wait a minute, that's the facts, but you're

1786
01:44:16,362 --> 01:44:18,904
presenting it in a really different light and it makes

1787
01:44:18,964 --> 01:44:22,386
me look horrible. And I just remember how scary that

1788
01:44:22,446 --> 01:44:26,789
was. And I think that that's, you know, when you

1789
01:44:26,889 --> 01:44:30,291
get the same facts and you have prosecution versus defense

1790
01:44:30,391 --> 01:44:33,633
in this criminal trial. It's kind of the same thing.

1791
01:44:33,653 --> 01:44:35,815
Like, well, you can turn everything in different directions and

1792
01:44:35,855 --> 01:44:38,216
make it sound a certain way, and we have the

1793
01:44:38,296 --> 01:44:41,959
benefit of knowing a lot more. What's the best dirt

1794
01:44:42,019 --> 01:44:45,721
in there? Well, it's all good dirt. The way they

1795
01:44:45,781 --> 01:44:49,004
did it is, I haven't really ever seen this. Essentially,

1796
01:44:49,004 --> 01:44:51,105
they interviewed a lot of people. I know they interviewed

1797
01:44:51,125 --> 01:44:53,166
me for like five hours and recorded it all on

1798
01:44:53,226 --> 01:44:56,489
tape. And they transcribed it and they just put all

1799
01:44:56,509 --> 01:44:59,511
these quotes one after another for 600 pages about different

1800
01:44:59,531 --> 01:45:04,074
topics. And it was pretty interesting. It's a long read.

1801
01:45:04,934 --> 01:45:07,736
But it's, uh, they had my quotes right, so I

1802
01:45:07,816 --> 01:45:11,699
presume they did everyone else's quotes right. And as it

1803
01:45:11,739 --> 01:45:15,001
turns out, what I suspected, I now know for sure,

1804
01:45:15,041 --> 01:45:18,223
that I was fired from Headbangers Ball thanks to Axl

1805
01:45:18,343 --> 01:45:24,007
Rose and Doug Herzog. Axl Rose got me fired. Why?

1806
01:45:24,527 --> 01:45:29,350
Because his heroine buddy was Ricky Rackman. And of course,

1807
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:32,112
Ricky Rackman has no talent. And then Axl, they were

1808
01:45:32,332 --> 01:45:34,934
watching me on Headbangers Ball. And Axl says, hey, man,

1809
01:45:35,474 --> 01:45:39,097
wouldn't you want to be a VJ? And he said,

1810
01:45:39,117 --> 01:45:41,038
"Don't worry, I'll make a call." And of course, Axl

1811
01:45:41,098 --> 01:45:45,621
Rose calls MTV, they're all blowing him. And like 24

1812
01:45:45,661 --> 01:46:23,346
hours later, I was off the show. That's deplorable! guys

1813
01:45:53,511 --> 01:45:58,658
That's deplorable. That's totally deplorable. I fought to get Guns

1814
01:45:58,738 --> 01:45:59,860
N' Roses played on the show.

1815
01:46:23,406 --> 01:46:27,949
in the band actually like him. But yeah, it's true.

1816
01:46:28,109 --> 01:46:30,891
MTV would not touch Guns N' Roses. They're like, we

1817
01:46:30,951 --> 01:46:34,353
can't play this. He's got a video where he's getting

1818
01:46:34,393 --> 01:46:37,776
electrocuted in an electric chair. And I'm like, yeah, play.

1819
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And then they started playing them and then they got

1820
01:46:41,758 --> 01:46:46,021
me fired. Serves you right. And look at where I

1821
01:46:46,161 --> 01:46:49,864
am now. You have to understand that I am persona

1822
01:46:49,884 --> 01:46:55,227
non grata in the official circles. So MTV has its

1823
01:46:55,367 --> 01:46:59,210
30th anniversary on August 1st. Yeah, guess who's not going

1824
01:46:59,210 --> 01:47:04,133
to be in it? Seriously. Me? I'm not going to

1825
01:47:04,153 --> 01:47:07,155
be in it. You're right. Yeah, John, you're excluded. And

1826
01:47:07,676 --> 01:47:10,157
they're going to be talking about Headbangers Ball and that

1827
01:47:10,217 --> 01:47:13,099
douchebag Ricky Rackman will be on like he owns the

1828
01:47:13,159 --> 01:47:16,862
show. I shouldn't get too far. I mean, you know,

1829
01:47:16,862 --> 01:47:18,943
it's what happens when you sue a big corporation and

1830
01:47:19,003 --> 01:47:23,026
win. I wouldn't invite you either. It's bad. But it's

1831
01:47:23,046 --> 01:47:25,707
like they're erasing me. What do you expect? I'm rubbed

1832
01:47:25,908 --> 01:47:29,350
out. I'm rubbed out from history. They just erased me.

1833
01:47:29,850 --> 01:47:32,332
So the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum, yeah.

1834
01:47:32,352 --> 01:47:34,333
You know what? Here's what will happen. I'll show up.

1835
01:47:34,333 --> 01:47:36,294
They can't get you out of the Swamp Thing movie.

1836
01:47:36,315 --> 01:47:38,176
That's where you're going. That's true. Now I'm there forever.

1837
01:47:39,156 --> 01:47:41,698
I'll show up and they go, hey, Adam Curry, great.

1838
01:47:42,178 --> 01:47:45,521
That'll be a $39 entrance fee. No, no, no, there'll

1839
01:47:45,521 --> 01:47:48,122
be two big goons hauling your ass and throwing your

1840
01:47:48,182 --> 01:47:52,385
butt out the door. Get out of here, kid. Well,

1841
01:47:52,445 --> 01:47:56,068
there you go. Maybe that should turn into a book

1842
01:47:56,228 --> 01:47:58,209
one day. What do you think? I'm sure there's more

1843
01:47:58,369 --> 01:48:01,211
that I can talk about. MTV Chronicles, I don't think

1844
01:48:01,231 --> 01:48:03,392
we've ever done one of these. We may have had

1845
01:48:03,432 --> 01:48:06,755
some of Adam's stories, but not necessarily the MTV Chronicles,

1846
01:48:06,815 --> 01:48:12,178
so... I hope you enjoyed it and definitely something we

1847
01:48:12,238 --> 01:48:14,360
can do again in the future. Again, it sounds like

1848
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,082
an audio book or just a book in general. It

1849
01:48:17,162 --> 01:48:19,103
might be something there. I've got to think about it.

1850
01:48:20,384 --> 01:48:27,849
The Memoirs. A reminder, we have special guest co-host Dana

1851
01:48:27,969 --> 01:48:33,172
Brunetti, Mr. Hollywood himself. producer of mega hits like House

1852
01:48:33,232 --> 01:48:39,056
of Cards. Um... Fifty Shades of Grey, Fifty Shades of

1853
01:48:39,176 --> 01:48:43,259
Greyer, many more. Captain Phillips, we'll talk about all of

1854
01:48:43,339 --> 01:48:45,620
it. And we'll run through the news with him. And

1855
01:48:45,721 --> 01:48:48,963
he's even buying a microphone especially for it. So tune

1856
01:48:49,023 --> 01:48:52,485
in for that. That'll be live Sunday, regular Gitmo Nation

1857
01:48:52,585 --> 01:48:58,789
time. Remember... Without your support, nothing else happens. Value for

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value. Noagendadonations.com. Until Sunday. Adios, mofos. Hooey, hooey. And such.