1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,260 It's karula sade Wally Carrera, waa. 2 00:00:04,890 --> 00:00:06,960 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 3 00:00:06,990 --> 00:00:10,500 It's Thursday, June 5 2014. It's time for your chemo nation media 4 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:13,050 assassination episode six to three. 5 00:00:13,590 --> 00:00:17,160 This is no agenda dedicated 6 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:20,760 to our sacred mission and coming to you from FEMA Region six in 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,800 the traverse Heights High not in the capital, the drone Star 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,170 State in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry and 9 00:00:25,170 --> 00:00:28,110 from Northern Silicon Valley where I'm burned out watching 10 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:30,210 committee meetings. I'm John C. Dvorak. 11 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:32,580 Levin Buzzkill. 12 00:00:34,230 --> 00:00:38,190 Man, how many did you watch? I only watched about three but 13 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:41,820 that's 10 hours. That's 10 or 12 hours right now the problem 14 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:46,110 is okay, here's what happened. And this is gonna be bad. 15 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:55,140 Do we need bad music? Do we need do we need? Let me say? Yeah, I 16 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:56,760 wasn't thinking about that. But 17 00:00:57,330 --> 00:00:58,200 it's bad music. 18 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:02,100 Yeah, that's yeah, that is kind of bad music. Yeah. 19 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:09,030 So I so I'm watching the big screen. You know, they're trying 20 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:11,880 to push an amendment through to knock down the First Amendment 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,520 of all thing. Oh, yeah. That little ditty? Yeah, Democrats. 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:14,940 Yeah, I'm 23 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:16,200 doing your music here. I'm doing it. 24 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:19,320 I'm convinced that they're clinically insane at this point. 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,450 So I'm listening. I hear Jeff Sessions go on with it. He's got 26 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:27,180 a really good little, little spiel. In fact, I may have a 27 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:29,670 clip of it. You have sessions there, I think so. 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,150 I remember it coming through on my Google Drive. No way. But I 29 00:01:33,150 --> 00:01:37,830 don't have sessions. I have Jeff Sessions. Yep, got that. Play 30 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:38,100 this. 31 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:41,820 I just left. Simultaneous trip with SA and environmental 32 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:47,430 committee hearing in which one of the witnesses that professor 33 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:52,770 said he was severely damaged as a result of his questioning of 34 00:01:52,770 --> 00:01:56,490 some of the global warming arguments that are made out 35 00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:00,510 there. I think we're in a period of time when speech is being 36 00:02:00,510 --> 00:02:03,600 threatened more than we would like to admit political 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,330 correctness has often run amok. 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,840 Where's this guy from? Sessions? What the state Alabama? Right. 39 00:02:09,870 --> 00:02:11,130 Well, I like what he's saying already. 40 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,110 And it's fundamental. It's actually this 41 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:17,400 is this is his his little talk at the first amendment. 42 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:21,630 Amendment of the amendment. This is in the Senate. Yeah. Is in 43 00:02:21,630 --> 00:02:24,570 the Senate. And, and so anyway, play the rest of it, because it 44 00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:27,600 refers to two things that Americans 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,770 be able to express their views without intimidation, I think 46 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:34,680 the great democratic, did you 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:41,610 just do a line of coke I have? Was that? Yeah, that 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,940 was bloody combination. I think the great, 49 00:02:45,810 --> 00:02:47,280 a lot of second, I'll be right back. 50 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:54,330 The Democratic Party that was so classically, liberal, is now 51 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:58,920 becoming the party of the progressives. And progressives 52 00:02:58,950 --> 00:03:02,190 tend to believe that little things like tradition, 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,500 procedures, rules, even sometimes I think honesty can be 54 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:11,130 subjected to the agenda that they believe is best for 55 00:03:11,130 --> 00:03:15,660 America. And I'm telling you, I think this is serious. And I 56 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:21,930 feel it repeatedly in our country. And in the debate that 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,190 we're engaged in, I just think tradition, and constitutional 58 00:03:26,190 --> 00:03:30,000 order should be respected. And in the long run, we'll be better 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,390 off. And we don't try to muzzle somebody who happens to have 60 00:03:33,390 --> 00:03:37,590 money, and to keep him or her or this business from being able to 61 00:03:37,590 --> 00:03:41,550 express views that they think are important to the public, and 62 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:43,020 maybe even their own interest. 63 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:49,260 Okay, so I hear this and I say, Oh, and by the way, I want us to 64 00:03:49,260 --> 00:03:52,380 stay on this topic before we actually let's I want to do 65 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:55,530 three or four topics today, they're gonna be a little over 66 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:58,170 the top. It's very bothersome to me. That's why I'm grumpy, 67 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:58,680 grumpy, 68 00:03:58,710 --> 00:04:03,600 I wouldn't mind reading the actual Senate Joint Resolution, 69 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,360 and I think I sent you a link to it, I have it, it's in the show 70 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,990 notes already. It's very simple. It's very simple. I'll just read 71 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:14,610 it to you. There's two parts to it. And actually, there's four 72 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:19,920 parts, but two parts, one for federal one for state. And here 73 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,940 it is, to advance the fundamental principle of 74 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:27,120 political equality for all and to protect the integrity of the 75 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,510 legislative and electoral processes. Congress shall have 76 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:34,290 power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in 77 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:37,950 kind equivalents with respect to federal elections, including 78 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:41,550 through setting limits on one, the amount of contributions to 79 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:46,200 candidates for nomination for elections to or for election to 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,040 federal office, and to and this is the egregious part, the 81 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,920 amount of funds that may be spent in support of or in 82 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:58,860 opposition to such candidates. And that is so broad that if I 83 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:02,940 decided to go Open uh, you know, just give some money to some 84 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:07,440 kids to run around and hold up signs that could that could be 85 00:05:07,470 --> 00:05:12,750 legislated by Congress. Right? That's a problem. 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,560 Well, that's what everybody who's got any sense knows. Yeah, 87 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,680 this is a big problem. But if you listen 88 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,410 to the opening, let's listen to a couple of these things on my 89 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:23,220 list. And the only one 90 00:05:23,220 --> 00:05:25,800 I have is the one I thought mattered was cruise. 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Cruise. I got a couple of cruise things. I did long cruise 92 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,390 dialogue. 93 00:05:30,450 --> 00:05:33,000 It's five minutes, but he explains everything in that five 94 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,640 minutes. That's how you go with your float. 95 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:39,090 Yeah, let's but it's funnier though. I have a funnier 96 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:42,210 scenario the way it goes. Let me start off by getting the thing 97 00:05:42,210 --> 00:05:44,280 off to a bang with the Harry Reid. 98 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:46,530 This is all about 99 00:05:46,530 --> 00:05:49,560 I had this. See, this is fantastic. Let me just give it 100 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,700 to him upfront, okay. 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,070 Is there any member of this committee who really believed 102 00:05:56,070 --> 00:06:00,390 the status quo was good? Although he opposes billionaires 103 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:03,390 using their own money to run for office, sir McConnell now 104 00:06:03,390 --> 00:06:06,990 supports billionaires ability to fund today's campaigns and 105 00:06:06,990 --> 00:06:12,060 independent expenditures. In fact, he even declares today, 106 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,470 quote in our society, he's spending his speech, close 107 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:21,540 quote. How could everyday working American families afford 108 00:06:21,540 --> 00:06:24,690 to make their voices heard? If money equals free speech? 109 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:31,380 American families can't compete with billionaires. If free 110 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:35,220 speech is based on how much money you have. My Republican 111 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,740 colleagues attempt to cloak their defence of the status quo 112 00:06:37,740 --> 00:06:42,150 in terms of noble principles. They defend the money pumped 113 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:44,310 into our system by the Koch brothers. 114 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:50,760 I wasn't ready for I should have known I should have known as 115 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:51,150 president, 116 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:57,660 anyone to determine what the Koch brothers are ready for all 117 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,900 they have all these phantom organisations. They've got one 118 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:04,260 now now they got a new one on veterans. They've got one on 119 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:09,930 senior citizens another name. They must have 15 Different 120 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:12,900 phoney organisations that they use to pump money into the 121 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:13,260 system. 122 00:07:13,469 --> 00:07:17,489 This should be a song you got 15 phoney organisations 123 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,140 to hide who they really are. The two wealthiest men in America 124 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:25,500 wrong. Interested in there bottom line, 125 00:07:26,039 --> 00:07:28,409 really did the wealthiest men in America and all of a sudden I 126 00:07:28,409 --> 00:07:30,839 don't believe that. That for a moment is number 127 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,690 one. And he's been that way for a while. And Buffett I think is 128 00:07:33,690 --> 00:07:34,170 too. 129 00:07:34,919 --> 00:07:37,289 I had a very different look. Democrats had a very different 130 00:07:37,289 --> 00:07:39,599 clip from read. Okay, play it. 131 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:45,210 In 1998. I had a very close election with John Hanson. We 132 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:52,260 spent about $10 million and we were allowed to do that because 133 00:07:52,260 --> 00:07:56,190 the Supreme Court again had left an opening that said you could 134 00:07:56,970 --> 00:08:01,320 divert money into the state party. And that money can be 135 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,710 corporate money to be any kind of money that can be used for 136 00:08:06,930 --> 00:08:10,410 denigrating the other person or building the person who had the 137 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:11,220 money up. 138 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:14,970 So once he completed it here can listen to the complaint This is 139 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:17,400 the complaint is almost stepped on it is the final The only 140 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:17,580 thing 141 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:27,000 that was a bad situation I felt so unclean for lack of a better 142 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,300 word. 143 00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:30,420 Unclean 144 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,370 What a dick. Well, while he's being unclean, I found this kind 145 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:39,060 of like performance art using these clips. Listen to this, 146 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:43,560 this is crews outline this is the clip crews outlines major 147 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:46,770 donors he outlines the major donors. They put a little this 148 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:50,040 get some perspective on this and some some honesty on this. And 149 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,910 then he also excoriates Reed for being a dick about the Koch 150 00:08:53,910 --> 00:08:55,590 brothers. Now it's 151 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:58,320 interesting if you look at the open secrets website, which I 152 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,180 would note is a nonpartisan group 153 00:09:00,210 --> 00:09:04,080 man does Cruz he's got a lot going for him but his voice is 154 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,320 not one of them. Oh my God. He sounds like he's talking that it 155 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,610 was clenched up butthole Yeah, he needs to work on that he just 156 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:12,480 didn't make sense. Yes. 157 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:16,560 Is there is his area addition is good and his. His points are 158 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,420 good in his in his stuff as well written by 159 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:22,440 that squeaky voice comes across as swarmy and sticky and icky. 160 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,620 You just want to get a job or something just want to get him 161 00:09:25,620 --> 00:09:29,010 off for you. It's like it sounds like a slimy slug. Like 162 00:09:31,020 --> 00:09:40,590 the top 16 donors to campaigns from 1989 to 2014 100% of them. 163 00:09:41,430 --> 00:09:46,560 Support predominantly Democrats are on the fence. The top three 164 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,450 donors are act blue, which has spent over $102 million, the 165 00:09:51,450 --> 00:09:54,240 American American Federation of State County and Municipal 166 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Employees which has spent over $61 million and the National 167 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Education Association which has spent over $58 million. Those 168 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,070 are the top three Koch Industries. We've heard so much 169 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:09,720 about their number 59. You know, there's a pattern in politics 170 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,990 where when governments trying to take the liberty of the citizens 171 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:16,290 away, they try to distract them with shiny objects. So we've 172 00:10:16,290 --> 00:10:20,310 seen the Majority Leader repeatedly slandering to private 173 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:23,970 citizens, the Koch brothers on the floor of the Senate, there's 174 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:27,960 a rule in the Senate, that when one senator attacks and impugn 175 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:30,930 the character of another senator, you can rise on a point 176 00:10:30,930 --> 00:10:33,660 of personal privilege. And I would note, there is 177 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:36,360 unfortunately, no rule in the Senate that allows a private 178 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,120 citizen whose name is being dragged through the mud by the 179 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,870 Majority Leader of the Senate for partisan political purposes 180 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:45,960 to rise on that same point of personal privilege. 181 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:50,580 You know, isn't there also a Koch brother that is that is 182 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:53,490 completely separated from two there's a third Koch brother and 183 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:55,110 he's like a complete Democrat? 184 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,220 I don't know. Yeah, I 185 00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:58,290 think there is. I think there is like some guy who 186 00:10:58,410 --> 00:11:01,620 knows that the main two Koch brothers, most of their giving 187 00:11:01,620 --> 00:11:03,000 away goes to public public. 188 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,770 Yeah, exactly. Yes. They 189 00:11:04,770 --> 00:11:07,050 the ballet and 190 00:11:07,950 --> 00:11:13,080 the arts, the arts, fun stuff. Yeah. Good, fun stuff. The thing 191 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:16,020 I have, I think we should just take one second, because this is 192 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:20,040 so obvious for us when we read a joint resolution like this, or 193 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,640 bill or an amendment that was like, Well, why wouldn't you 194 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,560 want to get money out of politics or restrict that. And 195 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:32,670 while there's validity to campaign finance, and this is a 196 00:11:32,670 --> 00:11:37,230 campaign finance, a joint resolution, in fact, it's called 197 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:39,900 the to hear it's a joint resolution proposing an 198 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:43,020 amendment to the Constitution. So this would be, you know, part 199 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:45,780 of the top things like, you know, like, freedom of the 200 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:49,500 press, and freedom of speech and freedom of worship, and religion 201 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:53,430 and, and right to bear arms. And all this, the against the, you 202 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:56,730 know, search and seizure, this is would be one of those, it 203 00:11:56,730 --> 00:12:01,230 would be a big one. And it's a boon to the Constitution, the 204 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:03,720 United States relating to contributions and expenditures 205 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,530 intended to affect elections. But when you say, and they have 206 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:10,200 at both the federal and they're making provision for the state 207 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,640 level, that Congress, I'll just repeat it, it's important to 208 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,070 understand exactly what's being said otherwise, it's, you know, 209 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:20,460 a lot of people will try and shout you down, if this comes up 210 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:26,850 in conversation. And they'll say stuff like, that seems to work 211 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:31,650 for some reason. But when it literally says Congress shall 212 00:12:31,650 --> 00:12:35,850 have power to regulate the raising and spending, so that's 213 00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:39,330 how you raise money and how you spend it. And in kind 214 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:42,900 equivalents, blow jobs, hookers, anything like that, with respect 215 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:46,830 to federal elections, including through setting limits. So 216 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:50,070 congressional limitations on how you can how much money you can 217 00:12:50,070 --> 00:12:55,710 raise or spend, specifically for the amount of contributions to 218 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:58,770 the candidate, which I think there's some validity to 219 00:12:58,770 --> 00:13:03,840 regulating that but to regulate the amount of funds that may be 220 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,910 spent by in support of or in opposition to such candidates, 221 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:12,600 which would mean everything else that would mean me organising a 222 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,120 rally. Of course, they it's intended to slow down commercial 223 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,360 spend and advertising spend on television and radio and 224 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,700 newspapers and interwebs. But that would that literally would 225 00:13:26,820 --> 00:13:30,480 and I hate saying literally all the time, but it is the literal 226 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:37,050 meaning that it would not allow you to speak above a certain 227 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:39,030 level of money. 228 00:13:39,540 --> 00:13:42,630 Well, let's I do have a clip for another crew Am I 229 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:43,530 misinterpreting that? 230 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:45,060 That's the one that sounds like to me. Oh, no, 231 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:49,170 no, you're actually you're, you're you're downplaying it. In 232 00:13:49,170 --> 00:13:52,860 fact, the way that if you listen to abrams's guy who is the the 233 00:13:52,860 --> 00:13:57,060 Free Speech attorney that was there testifying, but so you're 234 00:13:57,060 --> 00:14:00,930 not exaggerating? That is what I'm saying. might play that 235 00:14:00,930 --> 00:14:04,530 clip. This is Cruz again. And he was really on his game at this 236 00:14:04,530 --> 00:14:06,900 thing except for the guy who said his voice but play the 237 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:12,990 money is speech clip, then this is Ted Cruz. Okay. 238 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:18,870 The second canard that's put forth is money is not speech. He 239 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:19,230 shouldn't 240 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:22,830 use words like canard, you know, duck has nothing to do with it. 241 00:14:22,830 --> 00:14:26,310 Like the word canard is not a good word. And it's not 242 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Americans go would Yeah, well, if you want to communicate to 243 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,500 people that don't use French, 244 00:14:31,650 --> 00:14:34,560 you do if they hire the Dvorak consoles, correct. avoori 245 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,180 Consulting, we could change. I would 246 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:39,660 turn him down. I'm sorry. He's beyond repair. I don't think we 247 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:41,220 can help him. But he does have 248 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:42,420 a good point. Here he comes 249 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:44,760 that's been repeated over and over again. This hearing I would 250 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,130 note, any first year law student who put that as his or her 251 00:14:50,130 --> 00:14:56,640 answer on an exam would receive an F because it is obviously 252 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,000 demonstrably false and it has been false from the dawn of the 253 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,090 Republic speech is not just standing on a soapbox screaming 254 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:09,720 on the sidewalk. From the beginning of the Republic, the 255 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,420 expenditure of money has been integral to speech. Supreme 256 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:16,890 Court has said that pamphlets the Federalist Papers and Thomas 257 00:15:16,890 --> 00:15:20,640 Paine's common sense took money to print and distribute, putting 258 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,360 up yard signs putting up bumper stickers, putting up billboards, 259 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:28,800 podcast website and wondering those requires the expenditures 260 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,440 of money. I guarantee you every person in this room if you think 261 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,920 about it disagrees with the proposition that expending money 262 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,460 is not speech publishing a book is speech. publishing a movie is 263 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:45,660 speech blogging is speech. Every form of effective speech in our 264 00:15:45,660 --> 00:15:48,240 modern society requires the expenditure of money from 265 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:48,840 citizens 266 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,650 saps slang. Yeah, that's the whole point. Shut up. 267 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,230 And by the way, how can we didn't mention podcasting? 268 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,560 This is why the guy's beyond repair. He knows nothing, 269 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:07,410 because Nard Bonjour, John, oh, I'd made a canard this morning. 270 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,540 So sorry, I didn't mean to do that. 271 00:16:11,130 --> 00:16:13,800 Anyway, so Harry Reid comes down and does his spiel. And then 272 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,410 Mitch McConnell does the follow up. I have a short cuz I think 273 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:18,480 this is short. I hope so. The Mitch McConnell? 274 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,660 No, no, this is seven minutes and 43 seconds. I can't be this 275 00:16:21,660 --> 00:16:25,500 short isn't designed to only play until I say stop. Very 276 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:26,010 quickly. 277 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:31,560 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Given how and credibly behead this 278 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,740 proposed amendment is I can't blame my friend, the majority 279 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:37,050 leader from wanting to talk about things like the Koch 280 00:16:37,050 --> 00:16:44,670 brothers, or what I may know, a quarter of a century ago. I'm 281 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:47,340 going to confine my remarks at what's before us. And I want to 282 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,000 start by thanking Senator Grassley for an absolutely 283 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:57,960 outstanding observation about what the First Amendment was 284 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:03,180 supposed to be about. And at the very core of it, of course, was 285 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:08,010 political speech. Americans from all walks of life understand how 286 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,460 extraordinary how extraordinarily special the 287 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:15,630 First Amendment is. Like the founders, they know that the 288 00:17:15,630 --> 00:17:18,780 free exchange of ideas and the ability to criticise their 289 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:23,760 government are necessary for our democracy to survive. Benjamin 290 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,140 Franklin noted that quote, whoever would overthrow the 291 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:32,160 liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness as he 292 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,490 put it, the freedom of speech is enough the first one 293 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:39,630 he goes on and it makes some good points but But what would 294 00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:42,450 cruise again the guy he's the one who comes out with this, 295 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,450 that's the long speech I took just a little bit he made this 296 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:49,950 long play. It was very emotional is very good. I have the first 297 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:53,550 part and here's the here's the you have to endure this. This is 298 00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:56,640 the bit cruise comes out and then he has to go to these guys 299 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,220 are coming in and out in and out doing voting someplace else. 300 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:03,450 Cruise comes in and then he goes out and then Schumer comes on in 301 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:07,560 excoriates him pretending to be talking to him. But he's not 302 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,840 there. But he's not there yet, but he's not there. For me. He 303 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,570 doesn't say he's not there at some point later. But at that, 304 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,960 but he's looking over as though he's talking to him. And this is 305 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,410 solely for sound, but not sound bites but video but 306 00:18:19,410 --> 00:18:23,460 just just to get it on the news. And, and I I'm sorry. 307 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:26,580 Well, I was gonna also say at the very beginning of the 308 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:30,600 hearing, which was packed, packed hearing, there were a 309 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,650 bunch of people with signage, you know, brothers out there 310 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:40,770 basically. And so the news media there's about 25 camera guys 311 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:43,170 there and they all flocked into the aisles and had these people 312 00:18:43,170 --> 00:18:45,150 hold up their signs and then shoot pick it up, 313 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,460 just to get that just to file it quickly. All right, it's good to 314 00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:48,990 get that in. Alright, good. 315 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:52,410 But it's against the rules to have signage during the hearing. 316 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:55,110 And so they all put their signs away immediately and then, but 317 00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:56,040 they may they're gonna 318 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,060 know what that is. That's a farce. So far. It's a farce, 319 00:19:00,060 --> 00:19:02,190 which is just the beginning of a Konar. 320 00:19:02,610 --> 00:19:05,010 Well, I don't know about the canard part. But let's listen to 321 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:06,810 the end of Cruz. Oh, 322 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:08,670 you don't want to play Schumer, you want to go straight to Khan. 323 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,740 I want to play Cruz first. Again, we're filming for the 324 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,680 motions. He's gotta go on this cruise part one, then we play 325 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,830 Schumer. Then we played Karthik. Alright, good. This amendment, 326 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:21,330 if adopted would give Congress the power to ban books and to 327 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,150 ban movies. And by the way, Citizens United was about 328 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:28,530 finding a movie maker who made a movie critical of Hillary 329 00:19:28,530 --> 00:19:34,800 Clinton. Mr. Chairman, Ray Bradbury would be astonished 330 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:39,330 because we are seeing Fahrenheit 451 Democrats today. The 331 00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:42,990 American people should be angry about this. And, Mr. Chairman, 332 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:45,690 the senators who put their name to this shouldn't be embarrassed 333 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:48,750 that they have signed up for repealing the Free Speech 334 00:19:48,750 --> 00:19:50,430 amendments to the First Amendment that 335 00:19:50,909 --> 00:19:53,699 they have the entire speech which I'll put in the show notes 336 00:19:53,789 --> 00:19:56,999 that people can go listen to the whole thing. But I didn't know 337 00:19:56,999 --> 00:20:00,569 that Citizens United was that that's what that case was About 338 00:20:01,349 --> 00:20:02,759 I didn't realise that 339 00:20:02,790 --> 00:20:05,940 there's also another explanation here that the guy what's his 340 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:10,230 name, though? One character from Utah, the older guy, he had a 341 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:13,350 little heat effect, we can take a little aside here and play the 342 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:16,860 this is worth listening to so we can get people straightened out 343 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:20,730 and Citizens United. This is the explanation citizen explained 344 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:24,390 Citizens United just quickly, and he asked these asking Abrams 345 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:26,460 and the other guy that testify about this, 346 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:29,040 his prepared statement, Professor Raskin says that the 347 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,880 Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United versus Fe C, 348 00:20:32,910 --> 00:20:36,390 eliminated the statutory provision, quote, that kept 349 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:38,520 trillions of dollars in corporate wealth from flowing 350 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,420 into federal campaigns, unquote. I think that's a misleading 351 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:46,470 description of the case. As I read it, the Citizens United 352 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:50,130 case involved a nonprofit organisation, not a wealthy for 353 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:53,790 profit corporation and the case did not involve campaign 354 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:56,280 contributions at all. Am I right? 355 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,680 Yes, it didn't. It did not involve contributions at all. 356 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,730 And it left standing, the contribution section. So 357 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:08,250 also have we seen a flood of corporate wealth flowing into 358 00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:12,120 federal campaign since a citizen United committed decision? 359 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:17,610 We have seen a lot of individuals getting money. 360 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:22,770 That's where the big money has come from. We have seen an 361 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:26,940 increase in the amount of money from what I'd call Main Street 362 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:31,650 rather than Wall Street. What we've not seen is precisely what 363 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:35,640 was predicted. We have not seen enormous sums, let alone 364 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,270 trillions of dollars from the biggest companies in America, 365 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:42,480 flowing into the electoral process. That just hasn't 366 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:43,530 happened. Oh. 367 00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:49,350 Okay. Well, no. I've been misinformed. 368 00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:53,249 You've been missing? Everyone's been misinformed. Now here comes 369 00:21:53,249 --> 00:21:59,969 Schumer after the this is like the few testimonies after Cruz's 370 00:21:59,969 --> 00:22:02,699 gone, Schumer steps into just to do this. 371 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:06,180 Senator Cruz says that we should be embarrassed about this 372 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:08,880 amendment. I'll tell you, Senator Cruz, I'm embarrassed 373 00:22:09,450 --> 00:22:13,500 about how our system is distorted by literally now 374 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:17,610 billions of dollars coming into this system undisclosed 375 00:22:17,610 --> 00:22:24,360 unregulated and unanswered. And Senator Cruz, maybe he fancies 376 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,210 himself to be a constitutional expert. He knows that no 377 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:31,140 amendment is absolute. He's a constitutional lawyer. His 378 00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:35,160 rhetoric. His over the top rhetoric here makes it seem like 379 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,470 if you support this amendment, you're against the First 380 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:41,550 Amendment. Well, I want to ask you Senator Cruz Are you against 381 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:45,570 anti child pornography laws? He's not here. But would he be 382 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:48,900 against anti child pornography laws does that make him against 383 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:51,360 the First Amendment is he an absolutist on the First 384 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:51,870 Amendment 385 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:57,420 wow he's now comparing pornography to campaign support 386 00:22:57,420 --> 00:22:58,170 and interesting 387 00:22:58,470 --> 00:23:01,830 because he against the ability to falsely screen file that you 388 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:04,890 should does he think everyone should be false allowed to 389 00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:06,690 falsely screen files false what 390 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,760 he's doing like a false double negative upset he's 391 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,860 upset. I want to I want to hear what he's trying to 392 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:17,280 say against the ability to falsely screen file that you 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,220 should write does he think everyone should be false allowed 394 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:22,470 to falsely scream fire in a crowded theatre 395 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,990 falsely scream fire? Well, 396 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:28,319 and if anyone's opposed to that, are they opposed to? 397 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:33,300 Well, okay, uh, no, I think he's got a point. I think that you 398 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,540 should not be allowed to yell fire in a theatre, but you 399 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,330 shouldn't be in the middle of a love scene be allowed to yell. 400 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:46,710 The whole first amendment and against free speech. libel laws. 401 00:23:47,940 --> 00:23:50,280 If you're for libel laws, does that Oh, how 402 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,230 about bullying? Yeah, yeah, that 403 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:55,800 mean you're against free speech. And you're against the First 404 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,250 Amendment and 405 00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:59,730 there's a bunch of anyway you stopped. It's almost 406 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:01,350 done. I like it. I want to hear the rest of this good. 407 00:24:02,550 --> 00:24:06,750 thing not. We have always had balancing tests for every 408 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:09,510 amendment. Some of my colleagues on the other side I know don't 409 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:11,820 believe there should be one for the Second Amendment. I believe 410 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:14,040 there should but I believe there's a right to bear arms. 411 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:14,940 What 412 00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:19,470 what is he that was just say, when did that just happen? 413 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:23,700 The second amendment I believe there should but I believe 414 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:27,720 there's a right to bear arms. And I don't like seeing it 415 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,810 through a pinhole but that's neither here nor there. Always 416 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:36,390 had balancing tests for every golfer children, 417 00:24:36,570 --> 00:24:38,070 that's what he's that's what he's doing. 418 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:41,730 He's nuts. So I think he's behind this amendment. By the 419 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:45,030 way. He's signatories. He's not one of the later signatories. 420 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,530 Let me see. Let me see. Let's take a 421 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:49,800 look. The first group, the first group, which will be there all 422 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,880 day by date, you can look at him so this is from Udall Yeah. Tom 423 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,430 Udall the dumbest guy in Congress. He's used as the 424 00:24:56,430 --> 00:25:00,990 frontman. I think Schumer used them. Let's see Um picture that 425 00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:04,290 I put in the newsletter of him a guy looks like his IQ is nine. 426 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Okay so the the first sign up we're Harkin yep and Schumer 427 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:21,420 Yep. And Shaheen she's from Delaware white Why are you so 428 00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:22,020 judgmental? 429 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:24,900 Oh my god it's no different coming 430 00:25:25,229 --> 00:25:28,229 from Hawaii that's that's the we've heard her talk about the 431 00:25:28,229 --> 00:25:34,049 interwebs. Yeah. Tester from Massachusetts. Oh and our 432 00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:39,149 favourite of course boxer. Your girlfriend there from where she 433 00:25:39,149 --> 00:25:40,709 from now Minnesota Minnesota 434 00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:44,130 versus our California why I'm sorry California I 435 00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:47,670 don't know why said Minnesota, California. Then we have a coons 436 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:53,370 Delaware and King Angus King. These are all these were all on 437 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:58,200 the 18th Murphy widen. Franken Of course. 438 00:25:59,070 --> 00:26:00,690 Franken on the wrong side of this 439 00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:02,429 club club Car 440 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,020 Club. Amy. 441 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:07,890 And then of course we have the adults and after that came 442 00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:12,210 Johnson Menendez. Yeah, they all came. Jack Reed Blumenthal, too. 443 00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:15,960 Are there any Republicans Republicans on this or just all 444 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,920 Democrats? Right? 445 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:20,760 Yeah, it's actually two independents, including. 446 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:26,760 So all these people should be a you they need to be as what's 447 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,370 the word? Get out next. excoriated, 448 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:33,960 excoriated, excoriated by five minutes later, maybe longer, 449 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:38,880 Cruz comes back. He sits down and I guess he was briefed on 450 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,420 what Schumer had said, and here's what is this just a short 451 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:44,610 part of it. Here's what Cruz has to say. 452 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,860 I'm gonna recognise Senator Cruz. I think Senator Hatch has 453 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:52,410 already asked, I'll recognise Senator Cruz and as Senator 454 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:55,740 Franken, if he would come up here and preside over the vote 455 00:26:57,150 --> 00:27:00,150 on the franking gets to hold the gavel, he loves that he loves 456 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:03,150 being the boss. Gosh, he gets all beanie and stuff. 457 00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:08,820 Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I recognise you. At the outset, 458 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:13,980 I'd like to say I understand that in my absence. Senator 459 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:20,370 Schumer, very kindly, gave a lecture on civility and 460 00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:27,270 encouraged me not to go over the top. While he then in the same 461 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:31,050 breath, accused me of supporting child pornography. So I 462 00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:35,760 appreciate that demonstration and senatorial restraint from 463 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,180 the senior senator from New York. Let me say to the members 464 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,580 of this panel, welcome. Thank you for joining us. 465 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:45,360 He's a good lawyer, and a lawyer. He's a lawyer, his 466 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:49,530 wife's Goldman Sachs, or I mean, the guy is, he could not be more 467 00:27:49,530 --> 00:27:54,090 perfect GOP. What he's just done makes you feel so icky, and 468 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:57,540 swarmy in there, but that long, 469 00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:01,290 that's good. You know who he was listening to his voice after you 470 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:04,380 pointed out? You know, he sounds almost like exactly like, 471 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:08,490 although you'd have most people we don't have a close at hand in 472 00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:13,500 Eclipse. But Joe McCarthy, Joe McCarthy, the guy who started 473 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:15,750 all those hearings about the communist and waving empty 474 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:18,660 sheets of paper and doing all this other stuff, he has exactly 475 00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:20,670 the same voice I'm gonna have to credit find from 476 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:26,370 the 50s. really well, but wasn't that just I think that's because 477 00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:29,670 of the microphones back in the day. So I mean, he's doing it 478 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:32,610 naturally. We have a little bit of Joe McCarthy that I can play 479 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:38,040 for you from. This is June 9 1954, at the army McCarthy 480 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:47,760 hearings. Now, it's your right. Crew sounds like he's talking 481 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,260 through a 1950s microphone and broadcast system. That's very 482 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:56,700 hard to emulate. Yeah, that's that's what it is. It's nothing 483 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:57,300 else. 484 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,740 Interest I got one more cruise clip if you want to play it. So 485 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,580 I'd like to 486 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:07,320 point out that I have had CNN on here on the desktop, but 487 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,590 throughout the the what are we now we're 29 minutes into the 488 00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:16,740 programme. And not a single peep about this hearing. Not a 489 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:21,780 soundbite not a lower third, not a nothing. It's all about what a 490 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:25,680 gunmen was dressed in fatigues. It's all about other 491 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,500 distractions of minor infractions. Yeah, it sucks when 492 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,910 someone gets killed. This is not good. But these are very 493 00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:37,620 important issues that are just completely and I would believe 494 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:39,270 purposely being ignored. 495 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,580 Yeah, I would say so. So welcome to 496 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:42,570 your podcast. 497 00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:47,400 Well, I mean, Mitch McConnell did say even though they have 498 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,420 all these co signers for this thing, he says, this is not 499 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:54,120 going to ever get passed. I mean, the house of block it for 500 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,460 sure. But the even the Senate there's a number of Democrats 501 00:29:59,460 --> 00:30:02,310 that are to say Ansible to vote for this thing. So they they 502 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:04,710 probably lose 10 of them, because they don't have all the 503 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:09,060 Democrats they only have 4040 to 40 because two of them are 504 00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:12,600 independent. So anyway, I just want to play one more little 505 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,150 cruise thing because I was he was on a roll and I thought this 506 00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:18,240 was good because he this is one of the few things where he he 507 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,360 actually finishes it off with a blogger thing. And I'm thinking 508 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,910 is that really a good thing but the third 509 00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:24,870 could not canard is 510 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:29,040 that corner and I'm telling you this, this is an issue of no 511 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,430 rights 512 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:33,120 that gets repeated an awful lot. Again, you'd get an F in law 513 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,450 school if you if you embrace that position. The New York 514 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:41,430 Times is a corporation. CBS is a corporation, Paramount Pictures 515 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:44,460 and Simon and Schuster corporations. The Sierra Club is 516 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:48,360 a corporation the NRA is a corporation that NAACP is a 517 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,380 corporation Ramadasa is a corporation. None of the people 518 00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:55,800 who say corporations have no rights would possibly suggest 519 00:30:55,950 --> 00:31:00,000 that well Congress can then prevent the NAACP from speaking 520 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,150 can prevent La Raza from speaking can muzzle the New York 521 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:09,570 Times. That position is obviously false. Nobody has 522 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:13,530 disagreed with the litany of harms that could occur if 523 00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:16,830 Congress passed this bill the ability to muzzle citizens to 524 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:19,140 muzzle labour unions from organising because that's an in 525 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:25,170 kind expenditure, the ability to silence bloggers oh my god that 526 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:25,680 is on. 527 00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:32,610 I was thinking about this actually makes it an interesting 528 00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:35,250 point. Because when you watch democracy now or any of these 529 00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:37,950 shows, they go on about the evil corporations but they don't 530 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:41,520 discuss it you never bring up the nonprofit's and the 531 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,960 evil corporation. It's if you really boil it down. The only 532 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,530 thing everybody's pissed off about our earth by are the Koch 533 00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:49,950 brothers. 534 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:55,530 That's what it's about. It's about so here's my suggestion. 535 00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:58,860 I've been thinking about this. We should kill the Koch brothers 536 00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:02,580 just arrest them, kill them and be done with I mean, I'm sure we 537 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:06,330 can come up with some kind of amendment or SIC the IRS on him 538 00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:09,270 just I'm sure they've done something illegal somewhere like 539 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:12,420 Al Capone, I'm sure we can get them on something. Go ahead and 540 00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:15,360 do it. Just please go get the Koch brothers throw me in the 541 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,020 judge. Oh, after hear this? Oh, man, it would just be so nice. 542 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,840 I'm gonna call you back. John. I can feel the thing is like 543 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,200 cutting out 544 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,270 giving up on you. Just a little bit. 545 00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:38,670 Wow, will just do this Koch brothers. We go and, and lost my 546 00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:42,930 mouse. There's no evidence people want to use that thing 547 00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:43,680 anyway. So 548 00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:45,390 that's true. It's a fact. 549 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,730 Well, that was a good run. 550 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,450 I was too deep into this thing. This little shaggy dog story 551 00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:54,300 because I began with the sessions thing saying so when 552 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:59,460 sessions mention the the guy being excoriated in front of a 553 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:04,590 subcommittee. I call sessions office ah, as you as you would 554 00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:07,680 do, as I would do, and I asked for one of the assistants that 555 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:10,470 they answer some questions about. And it's funny, they're 556 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:13,950 very amenable did senators not so much as the representatives, 557 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:15,960 the people in the house, I believe, 558 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:18,720 never get called. They're so happy when you Oh, it's Joe. 559 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,950 John's calling again? Oh, 560 00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:23,040 anybody's calling. They think it's great. The senators are 561 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,670 busy. And I think many of them are cheap. So they don't have 562 00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:27,330 big staff. 563 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,850 Because Jeff Sessions office. 564 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:34,560 Yeah, I have a couple of questions. 565 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,620 Yes. How can I help you? Oh, you sound like Mr. Dvorak. The C 566 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:39,750 stands for capslock. How're you doin? John? I'd 567 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:42,600 like to know what the what the theme is pretty good. I'd like 568 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,190 to know what the meeting was at sessions let he was at talking 569 00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:51,570 at the amendment meeting for the kids. You get to 570 00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:53,520 the point. You're really confusing me? 571 00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:56,160 No, no, no, he's he was at this campaign finance. And he 572 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,260 mentioned that he was at something else. And he came 573 00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:00,810 running in and he I wanted to know what that other where he 574 00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:04,440 was. Oh, yeah. What was it? And? Well, that's what I want to 575 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,610 know. What was the committee name? 576 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,260 I don't know. Well, can 577 00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:08,250 you find out? Yeah, 578 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:09,540 sure. Can I get back to you? 579 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:13,260 No, actually, she says, can I put you on hold? Oh, that's 580 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:16,950 nice. Now normally when you call up one of these offices that 581 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:20,850 they have a bunch of assistants and one is oh Jerry would know 582 00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:24,600 about that. And she and she Jerry will call you back and but 583 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,890 no this apparently there's one girl in Washington was doing was 584 00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:33,750 doing everything. So answering the phone doing research. So she 585 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:39,060 didn't really help me as much as a representative but she turned 586 00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:42,990 me on to something I didn't know about okay, which is that all 587 00:34:42,990 --> 00:34:44,760 the major committees 588 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:47,190 you need to back off from the mic one hair, you're just your 589 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:48,810 your overdrive. 590 00:34:49,049 --> 00:34:52,409 All the she pointed out that all these committees and 591 00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:56,429 subcommittees have a website, which is very much like the 592 00:34:56,429 --> 00:34:58,769 Google website where you invoice by Google. So you do 593 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,630 do you do sessions.house.net session? So it'd be 594 00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:07,620 like, subcommittee name.senate.gov. Okay, and you 595 00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:11,520 get there and there's a big day we have over the years, I 596 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,100 suppose, catalogued all their meetings with video. Oh, no, you 597 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,700 kidding me? And is not video that C span place. It's just 598 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:24,420 just raw video of these meetings, all of them. Ah, like 599 00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:28,830 the dipshit meeting of the year, there is a video of it. You just 600 00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:31,080 have to know what when it happened. You can look them up 601 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,930 by date. Huh? So I ran over and I said this was a problem now. 602 00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:38,130 Because there is a 603 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,790 plethora, is there an index somewhere? Is there a searchable 604 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:43,740 index of the sessions that you can find I 605 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:46,440 know of but you if you know what the subcommittee is or the 606 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,920 committee that's holding that has that owns the subcommittee, 607 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,280 you can get there. You can get to any one of these things that 608 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,830 they've done, or you can I think you've just ways of looking it 609 00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:59,640 up. But Google search, possibly, whatever the case is, there's a 610 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,040 tonne of stuff that never gets played. 611 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,430 And you went in the guy and recorded something for 612 00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:11,910 some of these things. It's like it's a goldmine. All right. I'll 613 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:14,100 play some of this stuff later in the show when we get off of 614 00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,910 these topics, which is was environmental committee about 615 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:21,360 the coal, and it was four guys only four guys, two Democrats, 616 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,400 two opponents, either small committees and but they bring 617 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,580 these experts in, and these experts ciac away and it's all 618 00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:31,890 there. And so this is now a bottomless pit of new material 619 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:32,520 for us. 620 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:36,090 And I have a clip here from one of the sessions that sometimes 621 00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:40,050 fascism benefits that came from 622 00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:48,330 anyway, back to the there was a maybe have one or two I mean, I 623 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:51,270 got too many clips on this freedom of speech thing, Frank 624 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:54,390 and went off the deep end. And Frank and Frank, His thing was 625 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:55,800 disingenuous. 626 00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:58,350 I like I don't mind listening to him because I like laughing 627 00:36:58,350 --> 00:36:59,130 about him. And 628 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,950 he comes on at first he does some stick. 629 00:37:01,950 --> 00:37:04,680 Well, it's time to reiterate for people who are too young to know 630 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,200 probably, that Al Franken was a comedian and actor, I would say 631 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,740 comedian more than actor. Yeah, he's a comedian. And he most 632 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:17,640 famously, was on Saturday Night Live for many, many seasons, I 633 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,210 think, years and years, wasn't he? Yeah, on for a long time. 634 00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:25,350 And he and he had the Stuart Smalley bid, which was kind of 635 00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:28,770 cute. And, and sometimes he would be he would if you give 636 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:31,110 them the right minds, he's good. But he kind of thinks he's 637 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:32,190 funny. He 638 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:36,780 is funny, but he does possess. And you at the beginning of 639 00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:39,690 this, I think you have that back and forth with sessions then 640 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,350 that you talked about your reference, but we'd haven't 641 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:46,050 played a clip about. He does a little back and forth with 642 00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:49,950 sessions. Because he's been a professional comic. He may not 643 00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:53,370 be funny, per se, but he will have an absolute sense of 644 00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,220 timing. So he can get laughs 645 00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:59,220 that way. Oh, yeah. No, he's got the time. This is Franken and 646 00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:59,760 play that one. 647 00:37:59,850 --> 00:38:01,710 Rankin Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 648 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:06,210 Thank you. The recognise myself. 649 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:09,210 Just heard you recognise yourself. 650 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,790 I do. Look in the mirror. I recognise my 651 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,840 seat. And now he's doing the small Lee bit. Yeah, look, and 652 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,530 I'm, I'm uncapable. He was a writer of the chatroom points 653 00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:22,980 out correctly that he was mainly a writer on the show, which is 654 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,010 makes sense. And I recognise myself here. 655 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,320 I knew you would handle that. Definitely. 656 00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:31,890 And of course, the other guys are all like, Hey, I'm I'm doing 657 00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:37,560 improv. I'm doing improv with Frank and let me do this is the 658 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,400 definition of a canard right there. Thank you did thank you. 659 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,550 If so did you ah, painful. 660 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,280 It's good to see you. Mr. Abrams, you actually depend on 661 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,300 me on a First Amendment case. And I did. And you won with a 662 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:57,780 brilliant. 663 00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:01,680 Thank you. I remember what you said to me after I won. What did 664 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200 I say? Even a chip could have won that case. 665 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:07,770 The doing stick that's pretty good. 666 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,880 And I was right. 667 00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:18,660 Wow. Okay, that's good. All right. He winds back points with 668 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,420 me on this by your 669 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:27,000 brilliant lawyer. And I noticed that in your testimony, your 670 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,580 written testimony and Professor Raskin, I want you to speak to 671 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:34,350 this. Mr. Abrams says that appear that it quote appears 672 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,730 that Citizens United has not caused a flood of new money in 673 00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:44,400 politics. He says twice actually uses the word twice. It appears 674 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:50,970 that way. Now, from my experience, I know Mr. Abrams is 675 00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:56,280 an excellent lawyer. So I know he chooses his words carefully. 676 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,050 When he says that it appears that way because there's really 677 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:07,440 no way that we know. There's really no way that we know. And 678 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,300 Mr. Abrams himself has said that he is for getting rid of all 679 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:17,130 limits entirely. When we're talking about intimidation about 680 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:22,170 speech, suppose a corporation comes up and there's no limits 681 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:31,020 and says to a senator, if you vote this way on this bill, we 682 00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:41,100 will spend $100 million to defeat you. That's fine. Isn't 683 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:45,630 that fine? I mean, it's according to this logic. 684 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:48,810 Yeah. It's okay. That's just free speech. Look on the 685 00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:49,920 empirical question. Let 686 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,350 me just say this Oh, no. And then they can either put the 100 687 00:40:52,350 --> 00:40:55,080 million in or not, they don't even have to put it in to 688 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,190 intimidate you. What's 689 00:40:57,510 --> 00:41:01,110 the the numbers that I've seen have gone up dramatically. And 690 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,350 the numbers that we haven't seen the 501 C fours, the social 691 00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:07,950 welfare groups, the C sixes that trade association to the dark 692 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:09,900 money, you know, the ASOs. 693 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,740 Okay, that's Raskin who just one sec, can I can 694 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:17,580 ask you a? Can I ask you a question of conscience? And 695 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,510 well, I make one observation before you ask the question, of 696 00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:23,700 course, of course is how is this any different than what happens 697 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,950 today when the Sierra Club goes up to you and says, if you're 698 00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:27,870 not for global warming, we're gonna defeat you. 699 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,760 Right? The only thing that's different is the only thing is 700 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,790 differences. Is he saying $100 million instead of 10, or 701 00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:35,460 whatever? And that is the question I'm going to ask 702 00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:40,470 because I believe that if the system works, as it I think it 703 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:45,840 does, and these end our representatives in Congress are 704 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,220 indeed our representatives and money represents voice and 705 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:56,280 speech, etc. I think you know, if there truly is some rule that 706 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,270 is so egregious to put into place if you would have to buy 707 00:42:00,270 --> 00:42:06,660 off votes for hundreds of millions of dollars. This would 708 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:11,100 be something of such magnitude and outrage. If you couldn't 709 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:14,100 just get it done. I mean, you know, how much money to make 710 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:18,180 $100 million back. This is not this is not easy. 711 00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:24,120 This is a bogus argument. This is a specious argument. This is 712 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,940 what he's doing it Yeah, it makes some logical sense in the 713 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:30,390 in the in the this is a remember the clip we played against 714 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:33,600 fantasy land, because in Oregon Candyland, because it doesn't. 715 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,830 Why can't people think the worst? Remember that clip from 716 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:42,870 Bill Moyers? I don't understand why people can't see the worst 717 00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:46,320 case scenario and live by that thinking. 718 00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:48,570 Alright, can I um, can I move us? Can I transition us here 719 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:53,490 from this to something else? Anything? Okay. So why do we 720 00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:56,640 have to listen to these arguments about $100 million, 721 00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:04,200 when not a single second is spent on a promise. And the 722 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,210 promise has a name wouldn't give you the name? The European 723 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:14,760 Reassurance Initiative, also known as the E ri, which our 724 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,210 president said, Oh, I'm gonna go get a billion dollars to put war 725 00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:19,710 crap here in Poland. 726 00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:23,610 I've come here, first and foremost, to reaffirm the 727 00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:26,130 enduring commitment of the United States to the security of 728 00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:26,490 Poland 729 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,070 enduring commitment. I know I'm sorry. I like Polish people. But 730 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,110 when did I become responsible for them? We're on 731 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:37,050 track with our missile defence programme including interceptor 732 00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:43,080 sites here. Yeah, as we saw this morning, our American aviation 733 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,890 detachment. Here is the first regular presence of US forces, 734 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,880 Team America, continuously rotate additional personnel and 735 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,480 aircrafts rotating in the Baltics. We will be expanding 736 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,960 our exercises and training with allies to increase the readiness 737 00:43:57,990 --> 00:44:02,700 of our forces bringing President Komorowski is a great champion 738 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,300 of the effort to modernise the Polish military and we welcome 739 00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:10,230 the announcement that he just made about an even greater 740 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,380 commitment bringing it home will increase the number of American 741 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:17,280 personnel Army and Air Force units continuously rotating 742 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,150 through allied countries in Central Yeah, calling on 743 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:24,270 Congress to approve up to $1 billion to support this effort. 744 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:30,090 Yeah $1 billion to put war machinery into Poland and 745 00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:35,190 meanwhile we're screaming there's not a single person is 746 00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:41,670 even bothered by this even bothered bother show it to show 747 00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:44,910 me the report this you had to get this off of C span just to 748 00:44:44,940 --> 00:44:51,150 just to get a clip. And then and and then we have oh I'm trying 749 00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:56,940 to contain myself. A Victoria Nudelman All right. Nuland is 750 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,670 what she calls herself who have and how many times have I said 751 00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:03,510 she's married? Robert Kagan was Frederick Craig ins brother the 752 00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:08,100 P net guy, one of the people who got us. I have to keep reminding 753 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:13,020 people. Yes you do. And she goes up on stage and she's just and 754 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:16,410 she's got a little suit on and you know her little sailor suit, 755 00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:18,930 you know the one with the blue with a white stripes. Yeah, it 756 00:45:18,930 --> 00:45:21,090 looks good on her. By the way, the sailor suit looks she looks 757 00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:23,820 good with the sailor. She does, and carries off to the side 758 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:27,900 beaming with pride and her husband, you wave. But her 759 00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:34,680 husband Robert, is on stage with her. And Carrie now Robert Kagan 760 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:40,230 is not a politician. He is a professor. And he on stage. 761 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:46,140 Well, he's her husband. And she Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And he works 762 00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:49,320 for the FBI, the foreign policy Policy Institute, I think which 763 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,090 is a it's like the project for New American Century it is the 764 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,700 think tank that will get us into Eurasia or thwart anything that 765 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:06,090 that that our evil guy is doing. Just a little quick montage of 766 00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:10,950 her about how he or she just ah, this is a Renaissance, the 767 00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:14,580 renaissance in Europe, everybody. It's the European 768 00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:17,610 Reassurance Renaissance Initiative. And then she thanks 769 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:18,210 her husband. 770 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,930 What's required is a transatlantic renaissance, a new 771 00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:22,980 burst of energy. 772 00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:27,630 Can you feel like Europe we're giving you a burst of energy we 773 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:27,960 have 774 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,870 to be that beacon. Where are your began? Together we must 775 00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:37,380 lead or we will see the things that we value and our global 776 00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:39,780 interest. Influence recede. 777 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,890 Oh, okay, we have to lead so we don't receive interesting it 778 00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:46,320 means funding, equipping and training our militaries to be 779 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,500 ready to defend our freedom and advance our security interests 780 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,520 wherever they are needed. 781 00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:55,470 Fuck Hillary make her President defend our freedom. Our military 782 00:46:55,470 --> 00:47:01,350 must be at the ready for the EU, for we must be your right to go. 783 00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:08,550 And abroad, there is no place where our generosity and our 784 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:12,420 experience and our ideals are more needed today than on 785 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:16,620 Europe's own periphery. Hello, Europe. 786 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:22,020 She actually said Poland. Hello. Hello, Europe. 787 00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:28,020 You need us. We're coming. Alright, and now she thanks her 788 00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:28,470 husband. 789 00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:32,820 And finally my Kagan he's my Mars. He's my Venus. He's my 790 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:35,430 planet Earth. Um, so 791 00:47:36,029 --> 00:47:39,269 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a sec. I think this. 792 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,230 I know. 793 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:46,440 She says she's my Mars Venus and her planet planet Earth. Yeah. 794 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,960 Did she then if she got or she has sun? What is she? She 795 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,790 Yeah, good question in relationship 796 00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:55,230 to this. Let's have planets. Listen 797 00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:56,400 again. Elaine, my Kagan. 798 00:47:56,759 --> 00:48:01,979 My Kagan I think we should your mind Dvorak. I am your curry. 799 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,490 He is my Mars. He's my Venus. He's my planet Earth. 800 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,600 He's my Mars. He's my Vin. This is my So Mars Venus. What are we 801 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,450 missing mercury. She might be mercury. 802 00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:16,170 Why would it do there's no relationship between Mercury 803 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:17,190 planet Earth, Mars and 804 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:17,910 Venus. I 805 00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:23,880 know. She either has to be the moon, or the sun or God in some 806 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:24,420 way. 807 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:28,470 She's thinking of song lyrics like, I'm your Venus. I don't 808 00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:31,380 know what she's thinking. But would you listen that whole 809 00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:31,800 video? 810 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,370 By the way? They don't want to dwell on this, but I will. Yeah. 811 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:39,600 Why would there be three things? Why can't he just be he's my 812 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,200 beacon or is my son or he's my he's my light that this? You 813 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,300 know, she's I don't know why she's even being this corny, but 814 00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,630 she is. Why does it have to be Mars and Venus and planet? Why 815 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:50,970 does it have to be three things? What is the deal with that? 816 00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:55,560 Well, obviously, obviously, she's MK Ultra. Obviously Kagan 817 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,810 has a completely under his control. And she is the 818 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,050 assistant. I think that you address her as Ambassador 819 00:49:01,050 --> 00:49:06,720 actually, she is the assistant or Deputy Secretary of State it 820 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,600 listen. Let me let me look. I think you have to address her as 821 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,290 ambassador. 822 00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:11,490 I don't know. 823 00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:15,390 Let's check. Let's if we're gonna make fun of reminders. 824 00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:17,880 We'll make fun of her properly with a proper title. I believe 825 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,360 she is Deputy Assistant Secretary is what it's called, 826 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,580 but not just assistant secretary. She's Assistant 827 00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:29,610 Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs. That's a big 828 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:32,040 deal. And and we know that she is 829 00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,480 how did she go from spokes hole to that? 830 00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:43,170 Yes, that's a very short path, but it's obvious you know, we 831 00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:46,710 already knew she was the I mean, every Assistant Secretary of 832 00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:49,980 State for European and Eurasian Affairs does stuff like this 833 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,610 fuck that you. That's right. That's how that's how you act as 834 00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:02,490 an American Okay, and she's being controlled by the Kagan 835 00:50:02,490 --> 00:50:06,570 her Kagan. It's not my husband, my love of my life, you know, 836 00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:09,090 we're accepting an award and why is she even doing that? But 837 00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:12,810 okay? She just said I'm going to bring, I'm going to bring them 838 00:50:12,810 --> 00:50:16,920 bad and nasty to Europe. I'm bringing it. I'm bringing the 839 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,180 army, I'm bringing force. I'm bringing a renaissance, a burst 840 00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:24,630 of energy, and it's all thanks to my Kagan periphery. 841 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,040 And finally, my Kagan he is my Mars he's My Venus. He's my 842 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:29,910 planet Earth. 843 00:50:30,090 --> 00:50:32,910 If I ever wouldn't award that's what I'm going to say. And 844 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:38,520 finally, my Kagan he is my Mars is my Venus He's my manager Mike 845 00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:42,450 Hagen might know it's his name is Robert it's my Kagan maybe 846 00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:47,880 it's me His nickname is Mike. No, no, no, my Kagan you're 847 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,760 right Kagan with these people are all insane John you're 848 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,910 absolutely right today take it freely. Are you sure wait 849 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:57,810 the Mars Venus and come on I can't top that I get tonnes of 850 00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:59,430 clips but there's no way to top that 851 00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:04,350 what am I top that my son my top my own Clip of the Day. All 852 00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:07,140 right. Now if you think the American 853 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:11,760 Cagin my son my moon, she's this woman is clinically insane. 854 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,350 These are the people running is not enough. 855 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:17,580 The person is clinically insane. Is Herrmann, farm room boy. 856 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,090 Well, well, that too. And he is still this is an interesting 857 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:24,150 topic because he is still the president of the of the EU, 858 00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:27,600 these are unelected positions. And right now there is a battle 859 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:34,710 between what what's his name? The banker guy, the German 860 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:38,100 banker guy Juncker. Yeah. Juncker so Juncker but then we 861 00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:42,240 have angular Merkel saying she would like Christine Lagarde 862 00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:45,060 right. She's got her name has been brought up way too much. 863 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:45,360 And 864 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,050 Tony Blair is also starting to I don't think you'll make a move 865 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:52,560 without a woman but I think look, guard oh man, you imagine 866 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,370 and they joked about it, that it would have Hillary in America 867 00:51:56,490 --> 00:52:00,480 Lagarde in Europe, and it's not hard to see how she would be 868 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,690 better than this guy. This is an as you recall, we have a 869 00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:07,920 nickname for him. Do you remember him haiku Herman 870 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,570 because he likes writing and reciting haikus. And he recently 871 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,000 received the Prime Minister of Japan, 872 00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:18,030 I will greet you with a beautiful haiku written by 873 00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:23,640 Yamaguchi so do some 300 years ago. I see the surprise in the 874 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,400 eyes of your a Master. Yeah, no shit. 875 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,090 I see the surprises. Yeah, the guy's gonna like what are you 876 00:52:30,090 --> 00:52:31,200 doing? What 877 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:34,620 I will quote in Japanese. Now, 878 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,400 let me tell you something. I learned in my short journey to 879 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,960 Tokyo. That if you're not nailing the pronunciation, the 880 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,260 Japanese pretty much don't know what the hell you're saying. If 881 00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:48,390 you're not absolutely nailing it, they'll look at you like 882 00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:52,380 what? So it's not it's not like you can speak with a British 883 00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:55,320 accent and American can kind of figure it out or a Cockney 884 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,650 accent. It's it's a little harder if you're not completely 885 00:52:58,650 --> 00:53:02,310 nailing it. I don't know if he is, but I have my doubts. 886 00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:10,230 Mainly why Oba? Yama or toto de su how to get through 887 00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:18,120 and he's gonna translate it though. 888 00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:23,880 Green leaves a nice little CaCO in mountain and the seasons 889 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:25,260 first bonito 890 00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:27,630 Yes. I'm hard now. 891 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:32,760 What's the point of that? The seasons first bonita, which is 892 00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:34,680 Luna. What is the point? 893 00:53:34,890 --> 00:53:37,260 I don't know. It was written 300 years ago and apparently the 894 00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:39,510 Japanese loved his rendition of it. 895 00:53:43,050 --> 00:53:47,910 Here I'm sure they did. So well. Chuck a chuckling chuckling 896 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:48,810 amongst themselves. 897 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,600 I think I should keep this as a as an evergreen meanie 898 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,930 Wow. Oba Yama or toto de su, how to get Sure. 899 00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:08,190 I think we should keep that. No, no, no. Bucha just keep it 900 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,130 someone's gonna want to hear that as a donation. So but it's 901 00:54:11,130 --> 00:54:15,270 possible. Anyway, I would like to thank you, John, for wrapping 902 00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:19,020 all of that up for us. The blatant attack on the First 903 00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,330 Amendment of the United States of America so I thank you for 904 00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:24,540 your courage and say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak 905 00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:27,240 will in the morning to you Adam curry 906 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:29,940 as he looks for the spreadsheet, 907 00:54:30,299 --> 00:54:32,699 and in the morning to all the ships at sea out there boots on 908 00:54:32,699 --> 00:54:37,109 the ground, feet in the air subs in the water. And all the dames 909 00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:39,239 out there and nights. Yes. 910 00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:42,510 And I'll say in the morning to everyone in the chat room. Our 911 00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:45,840 human resources there no agenda stream.com no agenda chat dotnet 912 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,300 and in the morning to all of our artists. Thank you comments 913 00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:54,060 comic strip blogger. Before the episode art four 622 There are a 914 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:56,760 number of good ones. Nick, the rat had a pretty good one 915 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,190 Martin. Yeah, I think Nick the rat was Nick the writer Martin 916 00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:02,880 JJ. So there's too much he, like threw everything in the rat, I 917 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,490 think was Nick Yeah. And he kind of threw everything in there. 918 00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:08,760 And I want to remind people that we, I have to shrink the art 919 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,660 down by 50%. Just think about and sometimes having a problem 920 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:16,080 with the art of the album art in general. Now, again, trying to 921 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,110 figure that out, it's not showing up on all players and 922 00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:22,830 all pod catchers. But when it does, it's going to be smaller. 923 00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:26,370 And also, it's smaller in the show notes, we always have the 924 00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:30,360 big, large blown up version. But bear that in mind, when you're 925 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,940 putting little letters at your punch line, it's it's very hard 926 00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:36,630 to read, often in all forms. So it really has to be pretty 927 00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:43,140 visual in order to, to see what what you got going on. And of 928 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:45,360 course, no agenda are generated.com is where you can 929 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,660 find all of our submissions. We use many of them for newsletters 930 00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:51,420 and other purposes. And we appreciate all the work of 931 00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:56,700 artists to you guys. I think we've said many times that the 932 00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:03,060 show really does not do as well with shitty art. Fact. No, it's 933 00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,070 a fact. It's a fact, we've learned the art is 934 00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:09,090 a big element. But this fact is not showing up on the that's the 935 00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:11,370 problem. iTunes thing is weird. 936 00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:14,760 It's partially, it's a long story. 937 00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:16,530 So the system is deteriorating. 938 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,330 I get I get grief from people that say, Oh, I love this app, 939 00:56:21,330 --> 00:56:24,180 it works perfectly. But none of it doesn't really they added all 940 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:28,110 these. Yeah, they changed the way they do things. I used to 941 00:56:28,110 --> 00:56:31,890 take the album art out of the mp3 file itself, and I have to 942 00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:36,750 put it into the channel itself. But in order for the feed to be 943 00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:40,140 valid, it also has to be hosted on the same URL. It's a lot of 944 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:42,720 crap that comes into it. I want to bore you. And I'm trying to 945 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,050 make it automated. So I don't have to do this stuff by hand 946 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:48,660 every single time because when I do it by hand, when you're 947 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,740 editing an XML file by hand I get let me tell you after three 948 00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:56,700 hours of show, this is when mistakes come into play. And 949 00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:00,180 really dumb shit happens and I don't want that. So I'd rather 950 00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:02,880 I'm still figuring it all out. So we're working on working on 951 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,180 Yeah, 952 00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:06,240 it'll eventually get fixed. Of course it'll get fixed. We have 953 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,540 a lot of executive producers and Associate Executive producers to 954 00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:13,710 think well this is good news. Yeah, is Phillip fault now 955 00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:23,460 how're PFOTNH au er, in Tampa, Florida. 1450 bucks and 33 956 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:28,500 cents. Wow. Well, he wanted to he's already uh, he wanted to be 957 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,530 an instant Knight right to Baronet. So he's an instant 958 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:33,720 Baronet because he's already given us enough money to 959 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:34,890 he's an aqua net. 960 00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:38,700 He received promotion figures time to donate. I would like to 961 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:41,130 finish off my knighthood and toss in an instant night to 962 00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:44,490 Baronet for good measure. Wow, we'd like to know what John 963 00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:48,240 thinks of Glenfiddich as an everyday Scotch I prefer the 18 964 00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:51,030 Special thanks to the shill for helping me square away the 965 00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:55,230 accounting. Please give me a huntsman a D Duchenne a jobs 966 00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:58,920 karma Keep up the good work he ring size 11 I told him about 967 00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,100 the 968 00:57:59,580 --> 00:58:03,030 agenda nation.com/rings Well, thank you very much. Our instant 969 00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:04,500 net Philip. This is fantastic. 970 00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:10,740 Let me I'm sorry. Before you do the Glenfiddich, which I like a 971 00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:14,400 lot myself. Good. Very good scotch, the 18th I think they 972 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,440 actually I think the 12 is acceptable. The 1818 year old 973 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,800 most Scotch brands are all good. I've really 974 00:58:22,830 --> 00:58:25,590 run I got really hooked on that Sanatory stuff. What 975 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:28,800 is it the Suntory here? The blue the stuff they're making Japan 976 00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:32,820 12 year centaury doesn't matter what it is. I like all of it. 977 00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:36,000 Yeah, well, the eight teens are all across the board outstanding 978 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,100 and then finishes particularly good. I was I 979 00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,920 was really I was really blown away by it when i Wow, I haven't 980 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,940 tasted this good. I'm, I'm just a simple bourbon guy, Jim bean. 981 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,470 actually get it. Here's my you know, I've decided there's a 982 00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:51,480 number of good burgers. We should talk about this sometime. 983 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,290 But we'll say well, I don't want to talk in too much detail. But 984 00:58:55,290 --> 00:59:01,680 I have to say that the 12 not the 12 but the reserve, old crow 985 00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:06,300 which is in a leader and it's a black label and it's cheap. It's 986 00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:12,030 like 13 bucks a litre old crow you say old crow reserve, which 987 00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:16,800 is not that easy to find. Turns out but old crow reserve it 988 00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:18,600 straight up shots. 989 00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:22,170 It's absolutely bourbon. Get your hammered. 990 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,840 Well, if you took enough shots, but one shots I gotta get 991 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,700 anybody does normal hammered. But it is absolutely bourbon 992 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:33,240 esque. So a lot of people would argue about old crow versus 993 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,930 other cheap cheap bourbons but the 8686 proof which is 994 00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:39,960 shouldn't add proofs. bourbons are considered a violation of 995 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,590 the bourbon law by bourbon experts. Oh really? So you need 996 00:59:43,590 --> 00:59:47,190 to have at least 86 But Counsel of bourbon and but there's old 997 00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:49,860 crow Black Label reserved straight shots. 998 00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:50,850 Mickey's writing it down. I 999 00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:53,340 know she's writing, sipping it's not a sipping bourbon. It 1000 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:57,060 says shots shots and not on rocks. Nothing straight down 1001 00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:57,810 straight shot 1002 00:59:57,810 --> 01:00:00,330 and you can maybe have a glass of water or something after was 1003 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,740 because I'm really a 1004 01:00:01,740 --> 01:00:08,220 barbarian I like I do three cubes some Jim Beam and then 1005 01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:13,650 sparkling water I'm sure that's that's wrong in so many ways I'm 1006 01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:14,250 sure well 1007 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:18,180 you know it's not wrong necessarily but it's not getting 1008 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:21,300 the full impact of the bourbon right but I'm telling you shot 1009 01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:22,860 get a shot glass shot glass shot 1010 01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:26,310 glass let me write this down shot glass yes shot glass old 1011 01:00:26,310 --> 01:00:31,050 crow reserve reserve okay do I do this in my Hema underwear or 1012 01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:32,400 can I wear anything I want 1013 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,200 anything you want just make sure you're pointing South honey out 1014 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,250 yet you could change Ching 1015 01:00:40,830 --> 01:00:42,210 you've been deep do 1016 01:00:42,210 --> 01:00:44,010 jobs, jobs, 1017 01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:50,220 jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Karma 1018 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:52,860 Oh, there you go. Another tip. 1019 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:57,210 Another tip from the best podcasts are David if you have a 1020 01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:59,730 glass of water nearby, they actually even enhances the 1021 01:00:59,730 --> 01:01:09,450 flavours. Sir David Foley 623 He is so close again. 623 33 los 1022 01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:15,330 Los Gatos he has no note I didn't use sent he sent a I 1023 01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:18,330 didn't find a note from my email either. So he's getting to the 1024 01:01:18,330 --> 01:01:19,680 point where he just like 1025 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,340 I want to I want to be Grand Duke is good. I don't care what 1026 01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:24,150 else happens? 1027 01:01:24,330 --> 01:01:31,620 And I would tell you, David Brynjolfsson I'm thinking that's 1028 01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:36,240 how you pronounce his name. Brand new suit on you. I'm just 1029 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,640 gonna go over the pseudo name we get oh, I should mention that 1030 01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:43,230 Eric was on the road when he did this. And so you keep an eye out 1031 01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:48,210 for birthdays and other day Gotcha. Spoon collection stone 1032 01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:51,270 nation for 333 homeless 300 shows late I've decided that 1033 01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:53,580 would match my money spent on marijuana or marijuana 1034 01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:55,710 accessories of the donation of the same amount. 1035 01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:59,040 Was this donation or what was not? It's not it has to be it 1036 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,290 has to be the for two or three three, right? 1037 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,510 Yeah, the best podcast universally recommended, every 1038 01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:06,690 drug of choice is alcohol, tobacco painkillers, how hell if 1039 01:02:06,690 --> 01:02:10,620 people ever learned to donate to ad free educational software, I 1040 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:11,910 will send even more. 1041 01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:17,070 This is an interesting topic. Not just educational software. 1042 01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:21,420 But you know, I use this lots of open source software that in 1043 01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:24,360 fact, the show runs on audio rack suite. And I'm still I'm 1044 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:27,300 preparing my highlights a whole multi camera production to show 1045 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:31,410 everyone how this is route running. And these guys do open 1046 01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:34,230 source and I send them like I don't know, 100 100 bucks two 1047 01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:36,930 years ago and then didn't did another release, I sent another 1048 01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:41,340 100 bucks. You people you need to support your independent 1049 01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,630 software developers. This is in unless you want to be stuck with 1050 01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:50,490 just fucking apps that steal your stuff. Support your 1051 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:53,370 independent software developers. And if you're using a programme 1052 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:55,920 and use it for a while and you like it, and send them some 1053 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,350 money, think about the value you're getting out of that 1054 01:02:58,350 --> 01:03:02,760 programme. You need to do this. Do you remember when when there 1055 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,170 was Shareware and then 1056 01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:08,160 yeah, now it's a scam. It's all scam where here's what bothers 1057 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,880 me. So you go on to so you got you're looking for some free 1058 01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:14,820 editor or free backup programme or something that you can maybe 1059 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:18,150 support as opposed to these horrible commercial products 1060 01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:20,070 that you get with these hard drives. When you're buying at 1061 01:03:20,070 --> 01:03:23,460 Costco these things don't even work. Those Costco guys I'm 1062 01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:27,120 telling you, and then what's that two drives to drive makers, 1063 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,600 they put this crappy backup software all you can back up. 1064 01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:33,210 And it's like crappy backup software. And you don't even get 1065 01:03:33,210 --> 01:03:35,730 the full version yet to pay money for the it's just 1066 01:03:35,730 --> 01:03:40,230 terrible. And this stuff doesn't work very well. But nowadays, 1067 01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:43,110 because the people aren't donating in effort, the 1068 01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:46,680 shareware business is off not working well. Or there's or, or 1069 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,190 the scammers themselves have ruined it. You go to a download 1070 01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:51,420 site and says, you know, 1071 01:03:52,530 --> 01:03:55,650 oh, no, I know. And this is click the download button and 1072 01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:59,790 you get some dot exe file. Yeah, just go. But now that'll be 1073 01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:00,600 fine. Get 1074 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,530 some other or are they have all these different than, you know, 1075 01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:08,160 try this? Try that try this. And you know, and are you are you go 1076 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,980 to the one that really bugs me and I've written about this is 1077 01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:13,290 you want to get a copy of OpenOffice for a machine you're 1078 01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:16,620 building, let's say. And so you go in instead and you make some 1079 01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:18,780 mistake instead of going to openoffice.org. 1080 01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:22,200 Just I just need to set this up for a second. So we have to 1081 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,090 understand that you are now at this point. You've got your 1082 01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:27,690 green visor on a I'm building a machine. You've already got your 1083 01:04:27,690 --> 01:04:32,280 motherboard in now I want to I gotta load some OpenOffice on 1084 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,660 this machine. I'm building that. 1085 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,420 Yeah, go and I'm going in there and I find that I get to some 1086 01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:43,560 scam site says Download OpenOffice here, you click on it 1087 01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:48,330 and it starts it says which and during the download process and 1088 01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:52,590 when you actually execute the file to instal it. It says would 1089 01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:55,350 you like this broad product because this is good for it 1090 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:57,960 right and we're already solves a tool bar or 1091 01:04:58,950 --> 01:05:02,490 bar instals A that some other crap and you get a bunch of 1092 01:05:02,490 --> 01:05:06,930 weird stuff contaminating your machine and is now your browser 1093 01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:10,230 doesn't work right? And all of a sudden, Twitter's got ads all 1094 01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:14,220 over it. You know, it's unbelievable, the crafted goat 1095 01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:17,760 that they try to scam you with you ever see. Anyway, I want to 1096 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,080 mention something if somebody's trying to trick you into using 1097 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,050 their product. These are not honest people, I would never 1098 01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:25,920 give them money. 1099 01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:31,680 Right? This is not typically how I come across software, I'm not 1100 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:37,440 searching that way. Or I'll look at communities and look at 1101 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,740 things that are if you just if you just go to Google, which I'm 1102 01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:44,850 no longer using, although I have to say if you're searching for 1103 01:05:44,850 --> 01:05:47,310 news stories, you still have to resort back to Google if you 1104 01:05:47,310 --> 01:05:52,560 want something Oh, current. But yeah, I'll look around I'll talk 1105 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,320 to people and someone will give me a pointer. You know, get hub 1106 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,100 and stuff like that. You got to do a little work. Just didn't 1107 01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:02,910 you're going to I love that CNET. CNET has it download.com 1108 01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:05,790 Whatever. That's one of the biggest scams. 1109 01:06:06,029 --> 01:06:09,419 Oh, it's horrible. download.com used to be one of the best 1110 01:06:09,419 --> 01:06:12,209 places no longer it's not no longer now they got a bunch of 1111 01:06:12,209 --> 01:06:15,269 Oh, try this. Try that or did they have the big download 1112 01:06:15,269 --> 01:06:18,629 button which is not to download what you're looking for? That's 1113 01:06:18,629 --> 01:06:19,619 what bothers me. 1114 01:06:19,650 --> 01:06:23,730 Yeah. No, I hear you. Okay, so when you find something that is 1115 01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:27,540 not a scam, and it's useful, and someone's making it, pay him and 1116 01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:29,760 don't go searching for codes. 1117 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:40,440 Anyway, spoon collection 333 33 H M fic and Montpellier, Vermont 1118 01:06:40,529 --> 01:06:44,489 as the head and MoPhO in charge. He's back. Oh my gosh, this is 1119 01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:49,619 our Yeah, he kicked off our coverage of Bo Diddley, which is 1120 01:06:49,619 --> 01:06:50,609 a new name we're using. 1121 01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:56,609 But he's, he's in following Sunday show. It's been 1122 01:06:56,609 --> 01:06:59,849 interesting to watch the Beau Bergdahl boded league scandal 1123 01:06:59,849 --> 01:07:02,369 blow up in the face of the administration. I'm extremely 1124 01:07:02,369 --> 01:07:04,679 proud of the warfighter community. It's interesting 1125 01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:08,309 that's the word. The warfighter community for not letting the 1126 01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:13,349 facade of bow the returning hero stand. In fact of returning here 1127 01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:15,419 I do have did you get the Susan Rice clip? 1128 01:07:15,450 --> 01:07:20,550 I, I have an entire theory on this. 1129 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,420 I do have one too. But at least play the Susan Rice cup is short 1130 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:28,020 and sweet. This is that idiot twerp Susan Rice, 1131 01:07:28,050 --> 01:07:31,260 he served the United States with honour and distinction and will 1132 01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:34,710 have the opportunity eventually to learn what has transpired and 1133 01:07:34,890 --> 01:07:38,100 in the past two years, but what's most important now is his 1134 01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:42,000 health and well being that he had the opportunity to recover 1135 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,260 and peace and security and be reunited with his family. Yes. 1136 01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:50,010 And all right, you get to do that I get to an I did not make 1137 01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:53,760 this montage. I have the original in the show notes. I 1138 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,040 forgot where I got it from. So there's a little music track 1139 01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,570 underneath it. Besides the honour and distinction mean, we 1140 01:08:00,570 --> 01:08:02,940 had the sacred duty, 1141 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,810 Obama on a global stage this morning defending a sacred 1142 01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:09,810 mission to return us prisoners of war. We don't leave 1143 01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:12,660 people behind that we will do it's a sacred duty to bring them 1144 01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:15,660 back, etc. And there's a sacred bond with our men and women in 1145 01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:19,740 uniform. That is a sacred obligation. The President pushed 1146 01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:22,800 back by saying he has a sacred trust. I think he actually said 1147 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,500 it very well, that what I just heard, which is a sacred 1148 01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:25,950 principle, 1149 01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:28,499 we still have a sacred obligation to bring that person 1150 01:08:28,499 --> 01:08:29,789 back. sacred, 1151 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,850 sacred sacred, the sacred, sacred, sacred sacred, 1152 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,640 we have a sacred obligation that we have upheld since the 1153 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,870 founding of our Republic 1154 01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:38,250 sacred. 1155 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,080 I love the way they come up with this stuff and then they slip it 1156 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,570 into the mainstream consciousness sacred. 1157 01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:49,500 Let's look at the definition of sacred shall we? Yes, please. 1158 01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:55,530 Right, sacred adjective worthy of religious worship, very holy, 1159 01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:59,610 relating to religion, highly valued and important, deserving 1160 01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:03,540 great respect. I'm sure they mean that clearly, clearly 1161 01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:06,510 clear, dedicated or set apart for the service or worship of a 1162 01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:13,980 deity. So the sacred thing, man, that's that added control is I 1163 01:09:13,980 --> 01:09:16,620 have a I have a theory. Let's talk about that afterwards. 1164 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,530 After we get done with this. Move into that subject. Yeah. 1165 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,400 The response was immediate, visceral and deafening, says the 1166 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:26,400 sergeant. While I'm happy America's hearing the truth. I'm 1167 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,490 also deeply saddened as the media coverage of Bo did just 1168 01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:32,400 what I predicted bumped the VA scandal off the news radar, and 1169 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,560 some people have noticed this, but it's not they haven't 1170 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,830 noticed it with much enthusiasm. As usual. Thanks to the best 1171 01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:40,290 podcast in the universe. The no agenda nation was ahead of the 1172 01:09:40,290 --> 01:09:43,470 game, and the lamestream media was scrambling to catch up I'm 1173 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:46,200 on the edge of my seat to hear your analysis and deconstruction 1174 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,740 of this saga on Thursday show that's today. I was so worked up 1175 01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:53,010 when sending the note for Sunday show. I forgot to ask for a D 1176 01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:54,570 douching. And shot of karma. 1177 01:09:55,650 --> 01:10:00,900 Yeah. And I'm I'm quite frankly I'm dissing. made that we didn't 1178 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,180 think of it ourselves and we were probably all worked up 1179 01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:06,150 about it. I didn't think he needed a D douching. He does now 1180 01:10:06,150 --> 01:10:13,470 he comes as big as karma coming your way and D deuced you've got 1181 01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:19,740 karma and thank you to the head MoPhO in charge HMS hotel Mike 1182 01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:31,320 Fox Indriya Charlie Stan, he has a wits. Stan Yes. Dan is G. Stan 1183 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,400 Youssef ski stadium Nevsky Stennis esky 1184 01:10:35,849 --> 01:10:40,049 Thomas as it word Newmarket New Hampshire 333 33 That was a 1185 01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:43,409 check sent by the bank so he went to his bank and and 1186 01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:46,770 and so there was no charge no one took any money in in the 1187 01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:47,070 middle 1188 01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:50,010 we get the whole amount the bank pays for the postage and the 1189 01:10:50,010 --> 01:10:53,100 next thing you know love the cheque without a lot which we 1190 01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,620 encourage people go talk to your banker you can set these things 1191 01:10:55,620 --> 01:10:59,610 up. This may be a monthly for all I know is new though. Salt 1192 01:10:59,610 --> 01:11:03,360 River studio 311 50 from Austin, Texas are up the street and oh, 1193 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,460 I know who this is. I'm continuing to work toward a 1194 01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:08,880 knighthood. I just made a donation of 311 50. Adam, we're 1195 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,010 neighbours I'm living in the heights now too. 1196 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,730 I know who this is watching your every move. This is the Jamaican 1197 01:11:14,730 --> 01:11:15,450 and Austin. 1198 01:11:15,630 --> 01:11:18,030 Yeah, and for the next few days. I'll be hanging out in 1199 01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:21,060 Amsterdam. Is there anything I shouldn't miss any one I should 1200 01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:21,390 meet? 1201 01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:27,750 Oh, send an email to mickey@curry.com M IC K y. And 1202 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:33,180 she'll be happy to hook you up. She She is the mayor of the 1203 01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:37,470 night. If you're in jail, that's when you reach out to me I got 1204 01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:40,650 people for that. If you want to get in trouble you'd call Mickey 1205 01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:42,870 to make an Amsterdam 1206 01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:46,980 Miss Mickey if you're nasty, sir guy Boise Boise, 1207 01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:51,690 the lousy in Earth hold joven Illinois 246 1208 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:57,330 It's in Israel. Illinois says it says Israel behind that 1209 01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:59,700 yeah yeah I see that's pay pounds in Israel. He's our 1210 01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:01,950 Israeli sir. 1211 01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:04,470 Well, we have a number we have a number you have sir Jono 1212 01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:08,370 another donation I make to the best podcast in university 1213 01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:10,500 thanks for the great service that provides me News Analysis 1214 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:12,630 entertainment media assassination. Now a small 1215 01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:15,900 request as a Windows phone user, right a lousy podcast experience 1216 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,440 as I updated to Windows Phone 8.1 and improved greatly 1217 01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:23,040 including the album art finally being shown. Go figure 1218 01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:26,850 Apple who who the first to incorporate podcasting into 1219 01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:31,800 their echo schmear. They broke it and now windows it works. 1220 01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:32,550 There you go. 1221 01:12:32,730 --> 01:12:38,370 Anybody with two weeks ago broke Can you check my Baronet I will 1222 01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:41,730 never officially be given to me. He needs to be called Baronet. 1223 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,790 I think he's a burnout is he not? 1224 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,060 Yeah, he is but he wants to he gets it. He never acknowledged 1225 01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:48,180 it. 1226 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,200 I will acknowledge that in our acknowledgement segment. 1227 01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:57,930 Okay, here we go in CoD negro. Hey, he's back Wilkes Barre 1228 01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:01,650 Pennsylvania $200 A shot of donor karma and the collective 1229 01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:04,260 well wishes of the no agenda family or an unbearable 1230 01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:05,040 combination 1231 01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:10,140 on Buddha unbeatable not unbearable unbeatable there's a 1232 01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:11,460 Freudian slip for you 1233 01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:17,670 good one is bad yeah I'm shot at doing a coma collective well 1234 01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:18,900 wishes no Jennifer Marina 1235 01:13:19,740 --> 01:13:21,090 nice working with you John. 1236 01:13:21,599 --> 01:13:24,569 Yeah unbeatable combination back to work soon for this slave 1237 01:13:24,569 --> 01:13:27,659 three months out and never better boys. It's amazing what 1238 01:13:27,659 --> 01:13:30,719 those bipolar meds can do. Needless to say, just take your 1239 01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:35,099 medicine slave Lord Devorah Oh, you will obey Dr. Kiki Shut up 1240 01:13:35,099 --> 01:13:36,269 already. It's science. 1241 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,350 Okay. So but he also wants a medicine is that what he wants? 1242 01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:41,460 Well I hadn't 1243 01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:57,030 already, science obey, you will obey you will obey Scott karma. 1244 01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:02,880 Jackie Priester, down there in Monterey, California. $200. And 1245 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:09,090 she sent in a check to the post office box 339. And a note 1246 01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:11,940 another card. It's a nice little card with a handwritten note. 1247 01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:17,190 I'll read it nice. It curses. No. Oh, but very, very readable. 1248 01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:20,490 Like high end printing. Oh, nice. You know what I mean? 1249 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:26,070 Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm donating this money in the name 1250 01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:31,800 of my mom, Diane Holst. I want to wish her a very happy 60th 1251 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,320 birthday on June 6, we have to put that on the list. 1252 01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:36,810 Oh, I think it is on the list. Is it not? Let me check. I don't 1253 01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:42,540 think so. Hold on. Hold on. Just give it to me again. So the cyan 1254 01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:45,330 Holst Diane Holst 1255 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:54,750 60 And it's from from Jackie Priester. Okay. I want to 1256 01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:58,320 mention that I lost a birthday. When I was in Detroit. We got a 1257 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,540 bunch of handwritten notes and somebody scribbled don't want to 1258 01:15:00,570 --> 01:15:03,660 give me a birthday call it on June 5. Oh, good, which was 1259 01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:06,660 weeks ago, of course, and they they never I want to remind 1260 01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:11,610 people Yeah, at LIFO we, yeah, everything's LIFO. But we spend 1261 01:15:11,610 --> 01:15:14,700 a lot of time and I don't want to create anybody for thinking 1262 01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:18,870 that we could do this. But we spend most of our time doing the 1263 01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:21,360 show as opposed to bookkeeping and we don't even do the 1264 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,590 bookkeeping Eric does it? Yeah. So these things if you're gonna 1265 01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:29,580 have a birthday, call it send us a email and then with the with 1266 01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:33,990 the subject line birthday, yeah, and you'll get your call up but 1267 01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:37,380 asking us to remember that on October 15, you're gonna have a 1268 01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:37,890 birthday. 1269 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,000 That doesn't work. It doesn't 1270 01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:44,160 like it to work. So whoever the Michigan Ian was that has the 1271 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,160 birthday we'll give them a call on john@curry.com 1272 01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:51,900 She is making her voice be heard and running for Scott County 1273 01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:55,620 Board of Supervisors in Iowa. Oh, the primary was June 3 1274 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:57,750 Whether she got the votes or not. I couldn't be more proud of 1275 01:15:57,750 --> 01:16:00,390 her and a team of friends and family she has supporting her 1276 01:16:00,510 --> 01:16:04,740 many of whom are na fans. All right, interesting. Listeners 1277 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:08,820 check out Diane holst.com amazing content. Although my mom 1278 01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:12,240 and I are separated by miles she is my best friend and we talk on 1279 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,990 the phone frequently. Often laughing or hashing about no 1280 01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:17,340 agenda. Oh 1281 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,170 that's a conference that is a podcast in itself I wouldn't 1282 01:16:22,170 --> 01:16:22,740 mind here I 1283 01:16:23,099 --> 01:16:27,359 would be how about some karma for her in her three grand human 1284 01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:31,349 resources on the way a Hillary what difference does it make for 1285 01:16:31,349 --> 01:16:36,059 dad and a John's mac and cheese for me You guys are amazing. 1286 01:16:36,059 --> 01:16:37,169 Thank you for your courage. 1287 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,400 Wow there's a lot there. Okay, so I will add in a little extra 1288 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,470 because she said it. So here we go. What difference at this 1289 01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:54,330 point does it make oh my god that is on a mac and cheese mac 1290 01:16:54,330 --> 01:17:01,200 and cheese iron Rand you've got karma. And I had the Hillary 1291 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:01,530 clip. 1292 01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:03,750 Yes you did. 1293 01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:08,370 With that was that was a piece of production. pre production. 1294 01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:09,630 That actually worked. 1295 01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:11,730 Oh you did this in advance. 1296 01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:15,360 You sent me a note you said we need the Hillary will 1297 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,380 differences that make Yeah, and I and I went out and got it and 1298 01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:22,200 then we have it because every single time previously oh I 1299 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,300 don't have that one. People are asking 1300 01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:27,930 for it. So we have to. We have to we will obey. Anyway that is 1301 01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:31,890 our contribution list. Our is it? 1302 01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:35,130 Yes that Jackie is the last one I have on the list. 1303 01:17:35,429 --> 01:17:38,489 And that is for show 623 One remind people we do have a suit 1304 01:17:38,489 --> 01:17:43,799 show show 620 24 Coming up on Sunday. And divorce.org/n A is 1305 01:17:43,799 --> 01:17:47,909 the place to go to help us also Joan of arc.com/na no agenda 1306 01:17:47,909 --> 01:17:51,539 show.com has a donate button as does no agenda nation.com 1307 01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:56,610 And I want to thank Chris who created another forward guest 1308 01:17:56,700 --> 01:18:01,290 he's new top level domains are coming in no agenda dot club. 1309 01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:05,190 Which I guess is something we could use. Hint Hint wink wink 1310 01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:08,970 nudge nudge in the future, John. You never know if the club gets 1311 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:09,630 resurrected. 1312 01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:12,960 Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean the club? 1313 01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:16,200 Yes. All right, everybody. Thank you very much to our executive 1314 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,690 and Associate Executive Producers these are actual 1315 01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:21,780 credits. You can use them anywhere credits are valid a lot 1316 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:24,540 of people seem to put them on their LinkedIn page that gets 1317 01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:28,650 you a lot of a lot of views people do like them him What is 1318 01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:33,210 this? And apparently sometimes it actually helps as a karma for 1319 01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:37,590 getting jobs. So there you have that and as John said, for the 1320 01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:43,920 Sunday show 624 Go to devora.org/and A and we always 1321 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,170 appreciate you going out there and doing some very important 1322 01:18:46,170 --> 01:18:47,700 work and propagating our formula. 1323 01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:52,800 Our formula is this we go out we hit people in the mouth 1324 01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:12,240 right, okay, so here we go. Because I have a thought on this 1325 01:19:12,270 --> 01:19:18,060 on this fiasco. And but you're you have the clips. I have very 1326 01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:24,150 few I do have one funny clip. You know, I was listening to 1327 01:19:25,740 --> 01:19:29,220 that. What's the name of that lesbian on it Chris Hayes. 1328 01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,060 Yes, Chris. The Lesbian Chris Hayes. Yeah. 1329 01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,300 Chase actually brought something up. That was interesting. He did 1330 01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:38,160 have an old clip from Fox. here's the 1331 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,710 here's here's what's gonna happen. Someone will tweet that 1332 01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:44,430 people are now tweeting quotes from the no agenda show. Have 1333 01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:47,490 you noticed this? Yeah, that'd be like, what's the name of 1334 01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:51,600 that? Let's be on MSNBC. Chris Hayes. No, no, no agenda show 1335 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,220 Dvorak? You watch? 1336 01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:56,580 Yeah, it was stolen joke. I mean, it's funny. 1337 01:19:56,580 --> 01:19:57,090 I like it. 1338 01:19:57,660 --> 01:20:02,160 But Chris Hayes He's I realised that I never thought but is the 1339 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,870 name of his show is about what it is all in 1340 01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:08,910 oh yeah no no so he's 1341 01:20:08,910 --> 01:20:11,880 all in with the Obama administration so he brought on 1342 01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:14,460 and this should this is the clip Chris Hayes 1343 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,220 we should probably play it it seems seems like a long clip you 1344 01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:17,640 got here 1345 01:20:17,670 --> 01:20:20,610 it's it's a little long because what it is is that this is the 1346 01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:26,580 apologist clip and our agent or Sergeant Staff Sergeant will be 1347 01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:30,420 amused by this this is what they did to assuage the whole thing 1348 01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:36,180 and this is pre SEC saints was sacked sacred is the priests pre 1349 01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:39,360 the sacred oh really right away this right after all began this 1350 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,510 was the first putting out the fire a clip I could 1351 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,610 if you need to rely on the vast audience of MSNBC to put out the 1352 01:20:47,610 --> 01:20:50,130 fire. But But no, 1353 01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:53,280 but what they did what I what I think why this clip is good is 1354 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,200 besides the intro, which shows a clip from 2009 that where 1355 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,140 somebody came out and bitched about this guy being a deserter 1356 01:21:01,140 --> 01:21:04,740 back then, and that by the way, what she doesn't mention is 1357 01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:07,290 that's the point where the non disclosures were were 1358 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,180 distributed to tell people to stop 1359 01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:10,410 Shut up. Yeah, exactly. 1360 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,680 But then Chris Hayes is all in all in with whatever. So he 1361 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:22,830 brings in the Pentagon spokes whole guy, why not? Who and and 1362 01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:26,730 he never asked him he never does a follow up question. He just he 1363 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,920 obviously had a script in front of them and you can listen to 1364 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,960 the script. Okay, if you get sick of this, you can kill it. 1365 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,160 But it's a script is a very scripted interview all saying 1366 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,430 everything's fine. Don't worry about don't look over there. And 1367 01:21:38,430 --> 01:21:39,120 here we go. 1368 01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:42,960 This isn't new on Fox News in 2009. Not long after Bergdahl 1369 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,320 was captured. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, called the 1370 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,650 soldier a liar and suggested the Taliban would be doing us a 1371 01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:51,180 favour, like killing him. 1372 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:57,180 If he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I 1373 01:21:57,180 --> 01:21:59,820 don't care how hard it sounds. As far as I'm concerned, the 1374 01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:03,780 tally bond can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal legal 1375 01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:04,350 bills. 1376 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:09,870 Joining me now Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral John 1377 01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:14,400 Kirby. And Admiral Let me begin by asking why now I know 1378 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,010 negotiations had been ongoing for quite some time on this 1379 01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:19,770 matter. What was the breakthrough that allowed Bowe 1380 01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:26,010 Bergdahl to come home? Well, there was, uh, I think the way I 1381 01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:29,670 put this, Chris was, there was a lot of effort, a lot of effort 1382 01:22:29,670 --> 01:22:34,860 over years, and certainly recent months and weeks. But the real 1383 01:22:34,860 --> 01:22:39,900 impetus to move as quickly as we did here was concerns that we 1384 01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:45,840 had over Sergeant Berg dolls, health and his safety. So we 1385 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,260 knew that there was a brief window coming. And we took 1386 01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:53,070 advantage of this as quickly as possible. But largely, the speed 1387 01:22:53,070 --> 01:22:57,060 and the urgency with which we moved was a lot driven by by his 1388 01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:59,700 well being. Can you be any more specific about his health? I 1389 01:22:59,700 --> 01:23:00,000 know it's 1390 01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,520 so you're right. This was all about his health, his health, 1391 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,270 his health, his health. But it morphed? And I'm sick of this. 1392 01:23:06,270 --> 01:23:07,290 Can I move on? 1393 01:23:07,980 --> 01:23:10,230 Yeah, let me just summarise a couple other things he brought 1394 01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:15,360 up, he asked him about the desertion claim, you should 1395 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:16,200 probably kill it after 1396 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,340 the desert shows, listen, I 1397 01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,040 mentioned numerous times any sense of of what kind of health 1398 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,100 challenges you are concerned about? Yeah, I'm really not able 1399 01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:27,630 to, because he is an active duty living soldier. He has privacy 1400 01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:30,870 rights that we just can't violate. But I would tell you 1401 01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:34,620 that that through a series of indications, we became 1402 01:23:34,620 --> 01:23:38,280 increasingly concerned about his well being and of course, his 1403 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,730 safety in general. Not that, you know, not that we weren't always 1404 01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:44,010 concerned about his safety and captivity, but in particular, 1405 01:23:44,010 --> 01:23:48,570 as, as things got to just recent weeks here, without going into 1406 01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:51,420 much more detail there. In terms of the indications and 1407 01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:53,970 intelligence, I can tell you that we have very good reason to 1408 01:23:53,970 --> 01:23:57,780 be so concerned. And that really is what drove the speed with 1409 01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:01,950 which we moved. There's been two lines of criticism in reaction 1410 01:24:01,950 --> 01:24:05,430 to the announcement. The first has to do with the negotiation 1411 01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:08,220 itself. There are politicians and other saying that the 1412 01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:11,100 administration has negotiated with terrorists, it has violated 1413 01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,830 some important America. Wait, stop, 1414 01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:18,240 stop. This is actually worth listening to. Because it seems 1415 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,600 to me that if if you follow the logic, you have to listen to 1416 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,360 this clip, because I didn't think this was going to be their 1417 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,770 excuse. But oh, anyway, just keep playing it. I mean, this is 1418 01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:31,440 the most stupid thing I've ever heard. And Chris Hayes says 1419 01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:32,370 nothing about it, 1420 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,380 your response to that? There was no negotiations with terrorists 1421 01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:39,300 in this in this case, 1422 01:24:40,170 --> 01:24:42,540 because they talked to the Qatari is right, our friends, it 1423 01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:43,050 was all 1424 01:24:43,410 --> 01:24:46,380 all the discussions were done. Logic is this. 1425 01:24:46,740 --> 01:24:49,440 And I got I got a lot of pushback from many people on 1426 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,450 this. We didn't Yeah, 1427 01:24:51,690 --> 01:24:55,200 we didn't do we didn't negotiate with tariffs. Yeah, no, no, no. 1428 01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:58,410 No. So in other words, we had zero to do with this whole 1429 01:24:58,410 --> 01:24:59,190 thing. We're in 1430 01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:03,480 other words, if I am working on a divorce settlement and I'm 1431 01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,450 working through my lawyer. I'm not negotiating with a 1432 01:25:06,450 --> 01:25:09,120 terrorist. Of course you are your ex wife is by definition a 1433 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:09,840 terrorist. 1434 01:25:10,889 --> 01:25:13,259 The whole thing is ludicrous. Just like I'm using the phone, I 1435 01:25:13,259 --> 01:25:14,729 didn't talk to these people. I 1436 01:25:14,730 --> 01:25:17,430 know. I didn't actually see that man. No, I didn't know 1437 01:25:17,459 --> 01:25:20,309 through. The Government of Qatar will greatly appreciative for 1438 01:25:20,309 --> 01:25:22,799 that. But there was no direct talks with the Taliban, no 1439 01:25:22,799 --> 01:25:26,309 direct talks with Afghani network. This was a, this was an 1440 01:25:26,309 --> 01:25:27,479 arrangement to transfer 1441 01:25:27,929 --> 01:25:30,389 that alright, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of this. All right. And 1442 01:25:30,389 --> 01:25:35,159 let me let me move on. Because this this, this went to the 1443 01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:38,549 sacred duty. That was the script that was I don't know how this 1444 01:25:39,059 --> 01:25:42,719 where that meme comes from or how that just goes. Everyone was 1445 01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:46,019 using it sacred duty sacred and missions. It's all sacred, 1446 01:25:46,019 --> 01:25:52,529 sacred. Okay, sacred. Now, we know that, according to the news 1447 01:25:52,529 --> 01:25:56,399 reports, and this could all be one elaborate. Do I mean this, 1448 01:25:56,399 --> 01:25:59,969 maybe there's something still to come and we just haven't seen it 1449 01:25:59,969 --> 01:26:04,289 yet. But it appeared that the administration was caught off 1450 01:26:04,289 --> 01:26:08,549 guard. And here's Chuck Todd, on the Today show. 1451 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:11,670 I really think this was just going to be a celebratory 1452 01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:16,230 moment, the release of Sergeant Bergdahl. Did they not see any 1453 01:26:16,230 --> 01:26:19,920 of this backlash coming? Were they caught flat footed, they 1454 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,770 were caught flat footed, every eight I've talked to said they 1455 01:26:22,770 --> 01:26:26,190 expected there to be controversy involving the decision to 1456 01:26:26,190 --> 01:26:30,090 release five members of the Taliban from Gitmo and the fact 1457 01:26:30,090 --> 01:26:33,210 that this would then escalate that debate, which of course has 1458 01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:35,910 been simmering for a good five years, which is what to do with 1459 01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:38,250 those detainees. How do you release them? Where do you 1460 01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:41,970 really say they did not expect this backlash on Bergdahl 1461 01:26:41,970 --> 01:26:45,270 himself? I've had a few aides describe it to me. We didn't 1462 01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:47,970 know that they were going to Swift Boat Bergdahl. And Matt, 1463 01:26:47,970 --> 01:26:50,730 of course, that's a reference to that political fight back in 1464 01:26:50,730 --> 01:26:53,850 2004. Over John Kerry's military, right. So 1465 01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:56,670 whether this is true or not, that is the that is the meme 1466 01:26:56,670 --> 01:27:00,780 that is being put out there. The White House was not expecting 1467 01:27:00,780 --> 01:27:04,650 this backlash now. Susan Rice, the Torp, as you call her, she 1468 01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:08,640 went out she went a number of shows she was on Candy Crowley 1469 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,730 show but I'd like candy. I think she's she she's somehow she gets 1470 01:27:11,730 --> 01:27:13,890 to ask the real questions. And I've noticed that CNN is 1471 01:27:13,890 --> 01:27:16,950 changing somewhat. And here's where she comes with the meme 1472 01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:20,370 that I think plays into my my theory, which I'll get to 1473 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,460 when you were having these discussions amongst yourselves. 1474 01:27:23,970 --> 01:27:30,510 Did you worry that this deal would encourage other terrorist 1475 01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:34,470 organisations like the conning network, to seize Americans, be 1476 01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:39,270 they military or civilian Americans in order to get more 1477 01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:41,100 folks released from Guantanamo Bay? 1478 01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:45,180 Now, Kenny, the fact of the matter is Sergeant Bergdahl is 1479 01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:48,900 the last of the Americans that had been held in Afghanistan. 1480 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,680 And we felt that as the wars winding down, it was our sacred 1481 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,860 obligation, given the opportunity to get him back that 1482 01:27:55,860 --> 01:28:00,420 we do so. And we did so in a way that has brought him back safely 1483 01:28:00,420 --> 01:28:05,070 into American hands. We did so in a way that resulted in the 1484 01:28:05,070 --> 01:28:06,840 Taliban prisoners be 1485 01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:11,340 okay, so what you heard there is the war is winding down. He's 1486 01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:16,200 our last man out there. And this I think, is what the idea was, 1487 01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:21,150 here's rice on Stephanopoulos and ABC, we already heard her 1488 01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:23,550 the do the honour and distinction clip which you had. 1489 01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:26,850 Here she is, again about I think, prisoner of Georgia. This 1490 01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:31,200 is this is a very special situation. Sergeant Bergdahl 1491 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,680 wasn't simply a hostage. He was an American prisoner of war, 1492 01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:37,230 captured on the battlefield. Oh, 1493 01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:40,710 this is a she's really trying to propagate something which we now 1494 01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:43,560 know is factually and there may even be some video evidence not 1495 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:43,950 true. 1496 01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:48,960 We have a sacred obligation that we have our republic to do our 1497 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,790 utmost to bring back our men and women 1498 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:53,580 since the founding of the Republic, women 1499 01:28:54,180 --> 01:28:57,810 who are taken in battle, and we did that in this instance, if 1500 01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:01,440 for some reason, we took a position now in the 21st century 1501 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:05,280 when some of our adversaries may not be traditional state actors, 1502 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,060 that we would not do our utmost to bring our prisoners of war 1503 01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:12,300 home that would break faith with the American people and with the 1504 01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:14,400 men and women who serve in uniform so 1505 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:19,170 here we have the remember the President went to Afghanistan on 1506 01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:23,250 Memorial Day and he stood there with the troops and everything 1507 01:29:23,250 --> 01:29:26,430 and we're winding down the war and he comes back and then you 1508 01:29:26,430 --> 01:29:30,990 know all we got our last man the lot the wars winding down last 1509 01:29:30,990 --> 01:29:32,550 man. We're bringing him home. Let's 1510 01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:34,290 begin with how Beau Bergdahl is doing right 1511 01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:36,750 now. We know he's landed in Germany. What more can you tell 1512 01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:38,430 us about how he's doing his health? 1513 01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:42,030 Well, George, first of all, this is a joyous day, the joyous day, 1514 01:29:42,060 --> 01:29:44,460 he is now safely in American hands. 1515 01:29:44,490 --> 01:29:49,200 So joyous day, safely home now. Let's get it straight from the 1516 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,930 horse's mouth. The guy who resigned over this but he still 1517 01:29:51,930 --> 01:29:55,860 has to do a couple of a couple of the quick hits. Here's 1518 01:29:55,860 --> 01:29:59,970 Anderson Cooper, with Jay Carney, The Last Man Standing 1519 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,030 theory you do not have the luxury in a situation like this, 1520 01:30:03,150 --> 01:30:05,610 of opening a window and hoping that in 30 days, it's still 1521 01:30:05,610 --> 01:30:08,670 going to be open. This was touching go and has been 1522 01:30:08,670 --> 01:30:12,510 touching go for years. And when you have the opportunity to 1523 01:30:12,510 --> 01:30:18,930 execute this recovery of the last uniformed military last man 1524 01:30:18,930 --> 01:30:22,500 standing. Now I was already handed this this was their This 1525 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:25,620 was their idea. This was their plan. But then when you get you 1526 01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:28,680 get Chip Gregory coming on and defending it as the last man 1527 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,320 standing, then you know, that's the plan question that 1528 01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,720 I have that I think is a question for this debate for 1529 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,620 today and moving forward is whether the circumstances 1530 01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:41,640 matter, or whether the United States or any commander in chief 1531 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,240 will always be committed to rescuing a soldier from the 1532 01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,690 battlefield, no matter the circumstances. So the Chairman 1533 01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:51,660 of the Joint Chiefs, Martin Dempsey said, Look, this is an 1534 01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:55,170 American citizen, who is a soldier who's presumed innocent 1535 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,650 in this circumstance, he was held prisoner. This war is 1536 01:30:58,650 --> 01:31:00,960 coming to an end. That's not what he said. But I'm saying 1537 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,350 this is thanks, Jews, the wars clash, and then there was an 1538 01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:08,670 opportunity here to get that soldier off the battlefield. So 1539 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,440 so we could have the big homecoming parade, which is just 1540 01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:18,060 now today's it's been cancelled. Here's what I think, John, and 1541 01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:20,790 I'm going to presume that these guys in the White House aren't 1542 01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:24,540 all that smart. There's hubris, they think all that that they're 1543 01:31:24,570 --> 01:31:28,140 that in a bag of chips. I believe that the in the military 1544 01:31:28,140 --> 01:31:31,920 is no fan of the Obama administration. We know this. 1545 01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:36,270 There's a lot of pruning and people have been getting kicked 1546 01:31:36,270 --> 01:31:42,300 out and all kinds of crap is going on. I believe that someone 1547 01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:47,160 laid out the strategy. Hey, I got a great idea. Valerie, you 1548 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,830 probably did. Valerie Jarrett, this this has her achiness all 1549 01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:53,520 it does is you know, it's like hey, Valerie, what he'll go to 1550 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,280 Afghanistan on, you know, upstanding with the troops 1551 01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:00,270 memorial day he'll come home. And then we bring home the last 1552 01:32:00,270 --> 01:32:04,800 uniform soldier. Everyone will love him Mission Accomplished 1553 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,700 parade beautiful. And they fell for it. I think this was a 1554 01:32:08,700 --> 01:32:13,950 setup. I think someone said set the Obama administration up and 1555 01:32:13,950 --> 01:32:18,870 the media, that's all the media is talking about. So this feels 1556 01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:24,270 like a setup, hubris, idiocy. And I think people just 1557 01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:24,960 chuckling but 1558 01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:30,090 I think there's a lot I think that element exists. But I 1559 01:32:30,090 --> 01:32:33,750 haven't I have another thesis that I'd like to present. Sure. 1560 01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:38,130 And I believe that it fits in with your thesis if we maybe 1561 01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:43,080 take some assumption that the CIA has a hand in this by maybe 1562 01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,000 suggesting the idea to Valerie 1563 01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:49,200 Oh, and by the way, didn't the CIA guy get outed when the 1564 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,010 President went to Afghanistan? This is all before Bo Diddley. 1565 01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:56,460 Yeah, are you going to out our guy? Oh, you know, you should go 1566 01:32:56,460 --> 01:32:57,390 rescue this guy. 1567 01:32:57,510 --> 01:33:03,300 But the CIA is practical too. They just don't do gags true. So 1568 01:33:03,330 --> 01:33:06,390 my thinking is that if you're watching, there's a good 1569 01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:10,020 dramatic you see it in movies and you see in TV shows the idea 1570 01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:14,370 where that murderer goes out and kills 10 people to cover up the 1571 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:20,040 hit I hit right. In other words, one person was actually targeted 1572 01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,660 and a day off you skated by 1573 01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:25,200 Yes, we we've discussed this on the show previously as a theory 1574 01:33:25,710 --> 01:33:30,570 and this I'm thinking because the CIA knows is going to be 1575 01:33:30,750 --> 01:33:33,240 because Afghanistan thing is winding down this is not a 1576 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,820 untrue and they're going to try to get everybody out of there 1577 01:33:35,820 --> 01:33:39,390 within the next couple of years. Somebody's got to run the drugs 1578 01:33:39,390 --> 01:33:43,080 for the CIA because this is like a big money making operation in 1579 01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:45,390 Afghanistan. That's what the pop that's what a lot of soldiers 1580 01:33:45,390 --> 01:33:50,700 regarding poppies, right. Yeah. Well, one guy have these five 1581 01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,610 and there were 15 Initially, and they picked it down to five. 1582 01:33:53,610 --> 01:33:58,170 Yeah, carefully chose five one guy was was the poppy guy was 1583 01:33:58,170 --> 01:33:59,550 the Big Papi guy. 1584 01:34:00,090 --> 01:34:03,750 Oh, wow, great. Fine. Only in the news for 1585 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:04,980 the first day. 1586 01:34:05,070 --> 01:34:09,750 Which guy was it? It's this guy. It's are you holding up a 1587 01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:11,790 picture to the microphone? No, I'm 1588 01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:17,820 gonna try to read his name. Tali Bong, Poppy. Hi. It's karula 1589 01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:24,000 sade Wally Kerak. Wha, the one that's got saved and it sad. 1590 01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:26,820 That guy that funny looking guy, bald guy with the big beard is 1591 01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:30,870 the mean is looking of the three of the five I mean, that 1592 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:37,470 Taliban say. Okay, I just want to see if I can find him mostly 1593 01:34:37,470 --> 01:34:38,190 what it looks like. 1594 01:34:39,690 --> 01:34:43,350 And a secret defence department memo that was published by the 1595 01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:48,780 telegraph, because you can still find this reference. detainee 1596 01:34:48,780 --> 01:34:51,420 was identified as a narcotics trafficker and probably used his 1597 01:34:51,420 --> 01:34:53,880 position and influence to become one of the major opium drug 1598 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,090 lords in western Afghanistan de Tini probably use profits from 1599 01:34:57,090 --> 01:34:58,290 drugs to promote Taliban. So 1600 01:34:58,290 --> 01:34:59,970 that's our guy. Yeah. 1601 01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:03,719 This is the guy who was the chairman of Herat and a military 1602 01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:07,619 commander, but he was also the big drug guy. I believe that 1603 01:35:07,619 --> 01:35:10,499 they did a deal with him very good when they're, he's gonna 1604 01:35:10,499 --> 01:35:14,249 take over the drug business and they're gonna stay he'll stay in 1605 01:35:14,249 --> 01:35:17,639 Qatar he doesn't care. And then he'll go right in and he right 1606 01:35:17,639 --> 01:35:20,219 now I'm sure his people are setting up shop so that you 1607 01:35:20,219 --> 01:35:24,329 know, they can run the place and that he's going back the other 1608 01:35:24,329 --> 01:35:27,749 guys are all noncom they're on inconsequential all four of 1609 01:35:27,749 --> 01:35:30,059 them. And this guy, here's a big deal. 1610 01:35:30,090 --> 01:35:33,060 This is a great find. I congratulate you. Thank you. 1611 01:35:34,350 --> 01:35:34,980 Hey, baby. 1612 01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:39,540 So what we'll probably see in the next 1613 01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:43,950 John was John Uh huh. Just one second. Just enjoy that for a 1614 01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:50,880 moment. That's that is fucking great. I mean, I completely 1615 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,780 bogged on looking at these guys. Good work. All right, so that 1616 01:35:54,780 --> 01:35:58,890 makes total sense. Yeah. Now I had another just a brain fart 1617 01:35:58,890 --> 01:36:01,890 about this. Do you think that maybe this was ongoing that 1618 01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:04,770 maybe they would have used a couple of these Talabani guys to 1619 01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:10,320 trade for Ambassador the the Ambassador Chris Stevens. 1620 01:36:10,740 --> 01:36:15,300 Maybe it's always a possibility now could have been right? It 1621 01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:20,010 wouldn't have surprised me but I think the botch was I think that 1622 01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,070 it was a double screw job me because the CIA gets their guy 1623 01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:26,580 in there to run the drug business when they ousted the 1624 01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:29,160 people in or to watch it over. Watch over but then they also 1625 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,420 get to embarrass Obama. 1626 01:36:31,259 --> 01:36:35,789 What is this a great day or what? It's a really it's a drugs 1627 01:36:35,789 --> 01:36:36,479 key common 1628 01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:39,479 B soldier in the country is bent out of shape. 1629 01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:45,960 No kidding man of now the What is this? H H M fic sent this to 1630 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:50,940 me. This is me read this article to you. And Obama administration 1631 01:36:50,940 --> 01:36:53,700 official on Wednesday, suggestive members of Army 1632 01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,460 Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl Splatoon who have criticised him for 1633 01:36:56,460 --> 01:36:59,220 allegedly deserting his unit might be psychopaths. There you 1634 01:36:59,220 --> 01:37:01,500 go. So Brandon Friedman. 1635 01:37:01,769 --> 01:37:05,849 Oh, this was the I heard this. Yeah, yeah. Deputy Assistant 1636 01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:08,910 Secretary of Public Affairs at the Department of Housing and 1637 01:37:08,910 --> 01:37:13,830 Urban Development. Tweets, I believe 1638 01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:15,990 he got to do with anything quite sure. 1639 01:37:17,070 --> 01:37:21,780 Housing and Urban Development. He says, What if his platoon was 1640 01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:26,850 long on psychopaths on short on leadership? Me this this guy. 1641 01:37:27,389 --> 01:37:31,139 He has a platoon leader on I had to listen to this guy. He was on 1642 01:37:31,139 --> 01:37:35,429 Hannity's radio show no. And he went on and on about how this 1643 01:37:35,489 --> 01:37:38,489 everybody knows this is going to end the guy seemed like anything 1644 01:37:38,489 --> 01:37:42,509 but a psychopath. Of course, dad, Bo Diddley may have been 1645 01:37:42,509 --> 01:37:46,109 the psychopath at least I thought I watched O'Reilly grill 1646 01:37:46,109 --> 01:37:50,219 some guy. And all the people that asked an obvious question. 1647 01:37:50,249 --> 01:37:53,729 I just thought this was a jam because well, it's always 1648 01:37:53,729 --> 01:37:57,389 possible. This is an O'Reilly Bill O'Reilly asking about this 1649 01:37:57,389 --> 01:37:58,319 as if you're 1650 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:02,790 a US soldier, and then you you slip under the wire with water, 1651 01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:06,210 food and a knife not even a gun and a compass. You gotta be 1652 01:38:06,210 --> 01:38:09,570 insane, right? Maybe this guy's crazy. 1653 01:38:11,610 --> 01:38:13,950 It's very possible. There's a lot of problems with Sergeant 1654 01:38:13,950 --> 01:38:16,800 Bergdahl. Yeah, that's 1655 01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,920 very possible every possible. But that has 1656 01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:23,520 given Ronnie credit for asking that question. Yeah, nuts. 1657 01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:26,430 I am from what I understand. There's video of him walking off 1658 01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:28,290 the base. They didn't have can you know, they have security 1659 01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:30,210 cameras everywhere. Apparently there's video of him just 1660 01:38:30,210 --> 01:38:31,710 walking away. Well, they 1661 01:38:31,710 --> 01:38:35,820 had a secret hearing, confidential hearing from the 1662 01:38:35,820 --> 01:38:39,990 defence department. Many of the US Senators went to it. And they 1663 01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:44,160 all came out of it to a barrage. This was on C span, a barrage of 1664 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,160 reporters asking them each, you know, what was what would they 1665 01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,340 talk about? And everybody comes out and says didn't really talk 1666 01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:53,280 about anything. They showed a film of me guy look drugged. 1667 01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,730 Right, right. This is this is a long clip you can cut out you 1668 01:38:56,730 --> 01:39:00,990 just get a gist of it by playing the Saxby after secret meeting 1669 01:39:01,140 --> 01:39:03,000 clip where they're grilling this Senator 1670 01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:05,910 know he's obviously being reviewed from a medical 1671 01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:10,950 situation. And as to his medical condition that's going to 1672 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:14,790 continue for a period of time, you can imagine somebody who's 1673 01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:19,680 been in incarceration for five years, has the potential to have 1674 01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:26,910 health issues. We were told that, that his there is no 1675 01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:31,140 intelligence that indicated that from a medical standpoint, his 1676 01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:37,800 life was in danger. So he is being analysed from that 1677 01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,590 standpoint, and there'll be further reporting coming out of 1678 01:39:40,590 --> 01:39:43,770 the Pentagon as that develops. What is your sense? 1679 01:39:44,099 --> 01:39:47,219 Now, you know, you nailed it. I'm done with this. You've 1680 01:39:47,219 --> 01:39:50,459 nailed it. This makes so much since they it's it is a twofer. 1681 01:39:50,729 --> 01:39:54,599 They had the kind of cute kind of MILFy mom kind of wacky, you 1682 01:39:54,599 --> 01:39:57,869 know, hippie dad, and he was they were right there with the 1683 01:39:57,869 --> 01:40:01,349 President when he announced it, you know, yo Oh, no they don't 1684 01:40:01,349 --> 01:40:05,069 do that nothing is by accident with these people. So it was set 1685 01:40:05,069 --> 01:40:07,679 up they had the big homecoming parade everything was good to 1686 01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:12,239 go. And and I think you're spot on like and we got to spring 1687 01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:15,179 this guy so we can keep the drugs flowing. The poppies gotta 1688 01:40:15,179 --> 01:40:20,309 keep coming. This is it. We're done. She I think so except for 1689 01:40:21,359 --> 01:40:25,559 our band camp girl. We have to play two clips from Marie Harf 1690 01:40:26,279 --> 01:40:29,579 they through to them. So when these things happen, oh, yeah, 1691 01:40:29,579 --> 01:40:34,049 like, let her do it. Screw it. Send her out there to defend 1692 01:40:34,049 --> 01:40:35,879 this crab. Well, I'm not gonna do it. 1693 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:38,910 Does the State Department consider Bergdahl to be a 1694 01:40:38,910 --> 01:40:40,410 deserter at 1695 01:40:40,440 --> 01:40:44,520 the State Department? No, Lucas, look, what we said is we are 1696 01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,460 going to learn the facts about what happened here. We said very 1697 01:40:47,460 --> 01:40:49,710 clearly in a statement from the Secretary on Saturday that 1698 01:40:49,710 --> 01:40:53,130 Sergeant Bergdahl was an a member of the United States 1699 01:40:53,130 --> 01:40:56,160 military who volunteered to serve his country. We don't know 1700 01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,740 the facts about what happened yet on that day, 1701 01:40:58,769 --> 01:41:01,529 according to those randoms. But to me, it's a squamous company 1702 01:41:01,529 --> 01:41:02,399 Mesa city walked 1703 01:41:03,210 --> 01:41:05,730 there are other there are conflicting reports out there 1704 01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:08,760 about this law are there there are out go look googling on the 1705 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,790 web, and you'll find a tonne of good on the web correctly. 1706 01:41:11,820 --> 01:41:13,560 This one time at bandcamp. 1707 01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:17,460 I stuck a flute in reports. The fact that the fact is we're 1708 01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:19,920 still establishing a fact pattern about what happened. 1709 01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:23,910 And the fact is, you know, when I was watching this, I will 1710 01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:28,980 admit to you right now, I Googled Marie Harf naked, I 1711 01:41:28,980 --> 01:41:33,270 really did. Of course, you're sick, like I hope there's some 1712 01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:34,200 some shot of her 1713 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,320 naked Photoshop, but you can Photoshop or head on 1714 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,080 anybody but there was not even a good Photoshop of her naked but 1715 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,210 I was just because they had that close up and she gets all 1716 01:41:42,210 --> 01:41:45,420 flustered. It has a crush on her. I have a crush on it. I 1717 01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:49,710 just wanted to flick that hair back and whip off the nurse 1718 01:41:49,710 --> 01:41:50,700 glasses Ah, 1719 01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:54,600 how he ended up in Taliban captivity. So when he is able to 1720 01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,260 share those as Chairman Dempsey said today he will. He also said 1721 01:41:58,290 --> 01:42:01,170 like any American he is innocent until proven guilty. Our army's 1722 01:42:01,170 --> 01:42:04,110 leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred. In 1723 01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:06,390 the meantime, we will continue to care for him and his family. 1724 01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:09,420 So I think people need to be really careful about believing 1725 01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:12,240 every second or third hand report out there and also what 1726 01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,360 the President what the Secretary what Chairman Dempsey have said 1727 01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:19,050 regardless of how he went missing it is our responsibility 1728 01:42:19,050 --> 01:42:21,990 to him to bring him home period you say second 1729 01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:23,910 13 reports when his squad mates 1730 01:42:24,030 --> 01:42:26,550 this guy is not letting up I love they were there was like it 1731 01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:30,810 was like raw meat and wolves it was just And none of this makes 1732 01:42:30,810 --> 01:42:33,300 it on the air anywhere except for C span which is you know is 1733 01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:36,390 where we get it from served with him overseas said he walked off 1734 01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:37,050 Lucas I'm 1735 01:42:37,050 --> 01:42:41,250 sure some of them and you look there's a lot of loader and 1736 01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:44,040 telephone game that's being played here about what happens 1737 01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:47,550 not all the guys on national television last night his squad 1738 01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:49,710 mates but two mates were wait for it right? 1739 01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:51,870 I'm saying we don't know the fact pattern yet here. 1740 01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:56,430 fact patterns a new one fact the fact pattern is, I'm flying in 1741 01:42:56,430 --> 01:42:57,990 flag pattern. Nobody knows 1742 01:42:57,990 --> 01:43:01,290 exactly what happened that night as the facts emerge as he's able 1743 01:43:01,380 --> 01:43:03,780 to discuss them with the Department of Defence. We will 1744 01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:07,470 see where that takes that didn't happen five years ago. This is a 1745 01:43:07,530 --> 01:43:10,530 situation all this time five years to determine whether 1746 01:43:10,530 --> 01:43:11,070 there's a desert 1747 01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:14,550 tivity Lucas, I think he's probably the person who knows 1748 01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:16,110 best. What happened on that? Well, 1749 01:43:16,110 --> 01:43:18,660 I think his squad mates have the best indication. 1750 01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:19,590 I don't think that that's the 1751 01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:22,590 case. They don't know. Here's his squadmates No, no, no 1752 01:43:22,590 --> 01:43:27,240 anything. No nothing. And now and so now that just one more 1753 01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,240 short clip from her. She's just so funny. Um, just hold on. I'm 1754 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,040 just imagining her naked again. Okay, we go 1755 01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:33,990 out easily. We're not going to get into specifics of the 1756 01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:36,390 agreement. But this is an agreement between the head of 1757 01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:38,700 the government of Qatar and the president, the United States. 1758 01:43:38,730 --> 01:43:41,640 I love this. So this is so whatever you do just this was 1759 01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,240 high level baby. Just tell him what was high level? Hey, this 1760 01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:50,220 was between our Commander in F in chief? Yeah. The President of 1761 01:43:50,220 --> 01:43:53,310 the United States. You don't question him? Who are you press 1762 01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:53,910 boy, 1763 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,650 and very high level agreement, 1764 01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,520 high level agreement, very high level about 1765 01:43:59,790 --> 01:44:02,820 working to mitigate the notion that these five guys will be 1766 01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:06,420 able to return to the battle five guys, some of the detainees 1767 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,500 to go to their to the expatriate or to third countries or to go 1768 01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:14,370 to their home countries have been put under some kind of 1769 01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:15,660 house arrest or here's the 1770 01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:18,000 press is trying to figure out what the deal is right. And then 1771 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,030 she's really a high level deal. Shut up. You don't know the 1772 01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:22,050 deal. When 1773 01:44:23,190 --> 01:44:26,910 are they able to run through and get into the specifics of what 1774 01:44:26,910 --> 01:44:29,040 the agreement with Qatar look like? Why? 1775 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,280 Because it's about the drug. 1776 01:44:32,309 --> 01:44:34,859 I don't know. Anyway, the Government of Qatar has been 1777 01:44:34,859 --> 01:44:36,959 very clear, again, because the highest levels of this 1778 01:44:36,959 --> 01:44:37,409 government 1779 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,990 highest levels, you don't question the highest levels of 1780 01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:41,850 this government, that there's going to be severe 1781 01:44:41,850 --> 01:44:44,070 restrictions placed on them. I'm not going to outline what those 1782 01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:46,950 are. I'm just curious. And if you can't answer this, maybe you 1783 01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:49,770 can take the question. Why wouldn't the State Department or 1784 01:44:49,770 --> 01:44:52,200 the Obama administration be public about the terms of the 1785 01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:53,250 agreement with the cuttery? 1786 01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,190 It's good question. Thank you very much. There's some good 1787 01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:59,220 there are good journalists with good questions. It never makes 1788 01:44:59,220 --> 01:45:01,380 it into the front page. drawn air for some reason, 1789 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:03,270 obviously involved very sensitive diplomatic 1790 01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:05,820 negotiation, all very sensitive here involving the Government of 1791 01:45:05,820 --> 01:45:08,340 Qatar, who was the one negotiating with the Taliban. 1792 01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,210 And getting to a place in a very short time window, as I said, as 1793 01:45:12,210 --> 01:45:14,550 General Dempsey said, the last best opportunity to save his 1794 01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:17,700 life where we could get an agreement here. So there are 1795 01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:20,910 reasons not to put out all of that, I think for probably very 1796 01:45:20,910 --> 01:45:21,510 good reason, 1797 01:45:21,540 --> 01:45:25,620 probably, maybe, I don't know, was the highest level. But just 1798 01:45:25,620 --> 01:45:26,250 least maybe, 1799 01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,160 you know, as more details are able to be shared, we will but 1800 01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,470 it surely if everything was on the up and up the cutleries 1801 01:45:31,470 --> 01:45:34,830 wouldn't care if the details of the summit do not a fair 1802 01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:36,240 assumption to make. We don't talk about 1803 01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:41,070 this is not a no, that's not fair. It's not fair. And this, 1804 01:45:41,070 --> 01:45:44,670 by the way, plays completely into your theory, John, because 1805 01:45:44,670 --> 01:45:49,140 the deal is, hey, those four guys now one guy, let him go. 1806 01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:52,920 Did you tell them many detainees we come back to their country 1807 01:45:53,220 --> 01:45:55,770 for a variety of reasons. But these aren't as high profile 1808 01:45:55,770 --> 01:46:00,330 cases as this one was, again, we feel assured by the by the 1809 01:46:00,330 --> 01:46:01,260 agreement we've put in place 1810 01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:06,690 for Marie, she I bet she popped the valley and right after that 1811 01:46:06,690 --> 01:46:11,700 one. For holy moly, boring, holy moly, that's rough that was 1812 01:46:11,700 --> 01:46:13,860 terrifies me. That was mean to her. That was just, 1813 01:46:14,340 --> 01:46:16,950 she deserves it. She you know, she could have dealt with it 1814 01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:20,130 much better. She could have said we don't have all the facts 1815 01:46:20,130 --> 01:46:22,890 right now. Because I get him. I'll come back. We'll have 1816 01:46:22,890 --> 01:46:25,560 another briefing. And then you can ask the other girl. I mean, 1817 01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:25,920 she could 1818 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,560 ask the other girl I like, gosh, 1819 01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:32,010 you know, she made a mistake by trying to take this on. 1820 01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:36,300 Could you just ask the other girl please? Dum. Please ask the 1821 01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:37,500 other girl. I don't want him. 1822 01:46:38,970 --> 01:46:42,450 Like can't do it. Oh, man. There's one a couple of memes 1823 01:46:42,450 --> 01:46:46,140 that came out of this. I thought were interesting. One of them 1824 01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:49,260 were and this is only just bubbled up and I, you know, by 1825 01:46:49,260 --> 01:46:52,440 law did do this deal. Obama had to ask Congress, he didn't do 1826 01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:52,770 it. Right. They're 1827 01:46:52,770 --> 01:46:55,320 making a big stink about this. Well, some people say, Well, why 1828 01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,650 is that the NDAA law or have? No I think it is. I think it's a 1829 01:46:58,650 --> 01:47:01,020 part of the Defence authorization. 1830 01:47:01,290 --> 01:47:03,510 Obama has been pulling this stuff, this slight little 1831 01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:05,490 manoeuvres here and there, even though nobody's really making a 1832 01:47:05,490 --> 01:47:08,940 big deal. Well, again, he thought up so let's like let him 1833 01:47:08,940 --> 01:47:09,390 go 1834 01:47:09,420 --> 01:47:12,000 there. Well, they thought it was going to be slam dunk, big 1835 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,940 celebration, mission accomplished wars over that 1836 01:47:14,940 --> 01:47:16,830 we're playing John Lennon, you know? 1837 01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:25,320 Yeah. Well, he didn't get over. So there's an impeach meme going 1838 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,720 around? Yeah. Well, you knew that was good to hear in there. 1839 01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:31,950 I heard judge Jeanine that woman on the weekends have bring it 1840 01:47:31,950 --> 01:47:37,080 up. She brings it up a lot. And then when Marco Rubio came out 1841 01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:40,050 of the Senate hearing, unfortunate I have the clip of 1842 01:47:40,050 --> 01:47:43,020 it, but you can't quite hear it. But this woman sticks the mic in 1843 01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:46,830 front of him and says, is what Obama did in impeachable 1844 01:47:46,830 --> 01:47:51,300 offence. And Rubio, you can if you listen too hard, you can 1845 01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:55,020 hear but you can hear Rubio's answer. Rubio kind of weaselled 1846 01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:58,110 his way out of it, but by refusing pretty much refusing to 1847 01:47:58,110 --> 01:47:58,860 discuss it. 1848 01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:03,930 Well, I'm not talking about that. Right. I mean, that's not 1849 01:48:03,930 --> 01:48:07,290 something I've called for, quite frankly, this is we're not at 1850 01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:09,270 that level at this point. I think right now, the most 1851 01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:12,420 immediate concern that we have with regards to this is what 1852 01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:15,510 danger does now is that this is now posed to other American men 1853 01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:16,980 or women and uniform around the world. 1854 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:22,530 You know, I don't see the point of impeachment, but I don't see 1855 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:27,690 why go through it. What is it? Why spend all this time you 1856 01:48:27,690 --> 01:48:32,040 know, who cares? I think whatever. You know, you always 1857 01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:34,920 want to impeach these guys near the end. It's it's something 1858 01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,460 that makes sure it's somehow saying impeachment makes it gets 1859 01:48:38,460 --> 01:48:41,760 people all riled up and stuff, but it's useless. Even we didn't 1860 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:42,930 we impeach Clinton. 1861 01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:45,270 Yeah, we did. Yeah. 1862 01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:48,060 No one even remembers that. All they remember is what he did. 1863 01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:50,820 You know, it doesn't matter. It's I think it's completely 1864 01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:56,310 pointless. Now, all these people are douche is the whole the 1865 01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:58,290 whole system is douche fide. 1866 01:48:59,430 --> 01:49:00,330 It's pretty douchey 1867 01:49:00,750 --> 01:49:05,760 it's very douchey. Hey, the Syria had an election 1868 01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:11,460 and stand that. But that there was a landslide. 1869 01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:16,050 Yes, Bashar Al Assad was reelected. And I did want to 1870 01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:19,140 point out that we have many listeners all over the universe 1871 01:49:19,140 --> 01:49:31,830 and several in Syria. And one of our producers there is I want to 1872 01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:36,750 second I have it here if you go to Syria vote.no agenda 1873 01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:43,230 notes.com. Syria vote one word. You'll see this is a producer 1874 01:49:43,230 --> 01:49:49,110 sub seven zero. And he sent in a couple pictures of from the news 1875 01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:56,550 Latakia so it's Syria vote yeah.no agenda notes dot coms 1876 01:49:58,830 --> 01:50:03,120 and you'll see seller aerations Damascus fireworks people on the 1877 01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,670 street everybody happy. There's also a little video down there 1878 01:50:05,670 --> 01:50:09,480 at the bottom, just a link to the video of Syrians in America 1879 01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:14,370 celebrating. And the way I understand it is from our 1880 01:50:14,370 --> 01:50:17,610 producers, the Syrians are very happy he was reelected. 1881 01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:20,730 And that's from our guy 1882 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,160 from our guys. Yeah. From our guy in Syria. 1883 01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:27,690 And a lot of nice, they had a lot of nice fireworks. Yeah, 1884 01:50:27,690 --> 01:50:29,340 nice fireworks, a lot of people running 1885 01:50:29,340 --> 01:50:32,670 around just so you know. And this is what I was kind of 1886 01:50:32,670 --> 01:50:36,960 looking for. There were international observers at the 1887 01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:43,620 election. You won't be told this. Let me tell you who was in 1888 01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:50,940 Syria. For the first multi candidate presidential election. 1889 01:50:51,870 --> 01:50:58,140 observers were Eva Bartlett's from she's from North America, 1890 01:50:58,170 --> 01:51:02,340 Joseph loss Baker from Chicago. He's with the anti war 1891 01:51:02,340 --> 01:51:06,840 committee, the United National anti war coalition Judith bello 1892 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:09,750 from the Administrative Committee of United National 1893 01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:13,770 anti war coalition. Elias has an F Palestinian candidate, 1894 01:51:13,770 --> 01:51:17,520 Canadian entrepreneur and activist Scott Williams, 1895 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,400 international action centre, national coordinator of the anti 1896 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,150 imperialist youth organisation from the US from fight 1897 01:51:24,150 --> 01:51:30,000 imperialism stand together. Dr. Paul la Rudy, former Fulbright 1898 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:35,760 Hays lecture in law that the list goes on and on a lot of 1899 01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,950 international observers. But you will not hear this from anybody 1900 01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:43,890 and the way I read it, if I'm just listening to what our 1901 01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:50,610 producers say. And could this be some kind of, you know, the 1902 01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:54,780 Cohen tell being put on us. Yeah, maybe. But I think the 1903 01:51:54,780 --> 01:52:00,270 Syrians see it for what it is that it's obviously the United 1904 01:52:00,270 --> 01:52:03,810 States and probably Israel, or Ben and Turkey, who have been 1905 01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:06,990 messing around sending, you know, training al Qaeda sending 1906 01:52:06,990 --> 01:52:10,980 them in trying to mess it all up for this damn pipeline deal. And 1907 01:52:11,250 --> 01:52:14,820 they won and, and they've, they're kicking them out, and 1908 01:52:14,820 --> 01:52:19,230 they like Assad. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for him in 1909 01:52:19,230 --> 01:52:22,950 this number. And I'm just going to say I kind of have to believe 1910 01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:26,460 that this was a reasonably fair elections as fair as ours are 1911 01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:28,080 hanging chads. 1912 01:52:31,260 --> 01:52:34,020 Well, as fair as ours are, we have a situation here in San 1913 01:52:34,020 --> 01:52:39,570 Francisco where I think the guy got 70% of the vote. I think his 1914 01:52:39,570 --> 01:52:41,790 name is Jack Lew is in jail. 1915 01:52:42,630 --> 01:52:43,500 Yeah, there you go. 1916 01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,210 Got this huge, he got more votes than everybody else running for 1917 01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:53,280 one of these offices then is crazy corrupt guy has been found 1918 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,260 out and all the rest of the stuff goes vote, which makes 1919 01:52:55,260 --> 01:52:58,740 some people think that these elections are just that they've 1920 01:52:58,740 --> 01:53:01,530 got access to the computer data or something. And they're back 1921 01:53:01,530 --> 01:53:03,990 ending these things. And putting, you know, the whatever 1922 01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:06,930 is programmed is what the results are. Yeah, it's a real 1923 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:08,070 problem with some of these. 1924 01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:10,830 This is the electronic voting I mean, Syria, they you know, they 1925 01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:13,770 dip your finger in ink, we should go back to that here. We 1926 01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:17,490 need to Yeah, that would be the I'm not I'm way against computer 1927 01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:18,780 voting. I think that's a very 1928 01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:22,710 good idea. I mean, anyone who thinks oh, it's gonna be so much 1929 01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:24,150 easier. We vote on the internet, 1930 01:53:24,450 --> 01:53:29,190 please. And just and sometimes I'll hear like, Now, where are 1931 01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:32,520 these polling stations? And you know, some guy's backyard is 1932 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,400 garage. Let me tell you a New Jersey. My polling station 1933 01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:40,650 wasn't some guy's garage. Yeah, this is not it's not abnormal. 1934 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:42,870 But we somehow we make this? 1935 01:53:44,220 --> 01:53:47,040 No, most of the time. It was always it tended to be 1936 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,490 especially in the bay, or I think everywhere. They say it 1937 01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:53,400 would be in a guy's garage. Yeah. And people would go there 1938 01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:55,920 and you'd probably trust the guy that is running these guys in 1939 01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:58,950 the house there. I mean, it's not gonna be it's harder to 1940 01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:04,110 corrupt that than it is a machine. Anyway, 1941 01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:15,420 um, I want a category to switch gears, Dick Clark, Richard Clark 1942 01:54:15,420 --> 01:54:18,930 with an E was on Democracy Now. And I rarely watch the show. 1943 01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:23,160 That's kind of your beat, if you will. Did you see this 1944 01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:24,150 particular episode, but 1945 01:54:24,990 --> 01:54:27,420 I was too busy watching the hearings. He has. 1946 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:31,080 Well, of course, Richard Clark. Now he has a consultancy, right? 1947 01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:32,910 I'm sure he's in the consulting. Yeah, 1948 01:54:32,910 --> 01:54:35,340 he and he has it all for cyber as 1949 01:54:35,370 --> 01:54:40,200 well. He has just written a book. And it is called the sting 1950 01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:47,610 of the drone. And he was on Democracy Now for an hour an 1951 01:54:47,610 --> 01:54:49,350 hour promoting this book. 1952 01:54:50,430 --> 01:54:53,850 And he's democracy now not see through this guy 1953 01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:58,860 because they're all in come by Chris Hayes. They're all in 1954 01:54:59,850 --> 01:55:06,030 here. And he said something and I just went. And they said I was 1955 01:55:06,030 --> 01:55:06,510 crazy. 1956 01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:10,740 You also talk Richard Clarke about the drone disintegrating. 1957 01:55:10,770 --> 01:55:15,390 Are you talking about real technology here? How these 1958 01:55:15,390 --> 01:55:20,820 drones? I mean, you yourself when were the one that suggested 1959 01:55:20,820 --> 01:55:25,440 arming drones arming surveillance drones. But is this 1960 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,440 real a drone disintegrating so that no one could detect it 1961 01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:29,340 after the attack? 1962 01:55:30,269 --> 01:55:33,929 It's not a programme that I know about. It may be a programme 1963 01:55:33,929 --> 01:55:36,689 that exists, but certainly not one that I know about 1964 01:55:37,470 --> 01:55:40,260 there, which means he knows about it. Obviously, I wrote 1965 01:55:40,290 --> 01:55:44,010 things in the novel, where I'm stretching the existing 1966 01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:49,350 technology, to where I think it's going. So that we can see 1967 01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:52,830 in the near future, what kinds of things we might be faced 1968 01:55:52,830 --> 01:55:56,940 with. And clearly one of them is if you want to do a drone 1969 01:55:56,940 --> 01:56:03,030 attack, that leaves no trace. That looks like a gas explosion. 1970 01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:11,340 That looks like could you do that? Car volume today is if you 1971 01:56:11,340 --> 01:56:15,390 use a drone attack, there's going to be fragments of the of 1972 01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:18,810 the missile. Well, what if the missile were designed to totally 1973 01:56:18,810 --> 01:56:21,390 disintegrate and disappear? So there would be no fingerprints? 1974 01:56:21,420 --> 01:56:25,680 No. Yeah. And we look like actually like a gas explosion, 1975 01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,650 like a house exploded out of gas, which even the guys from 1976 01:56:28,650 --> 01:56:30,210 Mythbusters couldn't make happen, like 1977 01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:35,790 the Hastings into it while you're at it. Yep. Well, the 1978 01:56:35,790 --> 01:56:38,670 technology does exist, and I think it could be used and 1979 01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:43,350 probably is being used in the US Marshals that are on aeroplanes, 1980 01:56:43,380 --> 01:56:46,170 they are armed and you know, you can't shoot a bullet through a 1981 01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:50,490 through an aeroplane. It's very, it can be annoying. They use 1982 01:56:50,490 --> 01:56:55,740 they use these special bullets, that that are called vertical 1983 01:56:55,740 --> 01:56:59,430 fractal fractal. There's some they fracture, or they just 1984 01:56:59,430 --> 01:57:02,430 rubber bullets. No, no, they use bullets. But when they hit 1985 01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:06,990 something, they essentially dissolve. You get to get a link 1986 01:57:06,990 --> 01:57:10,410 to these types of bullets, but they are they exist specifically 1987 01:57:10,410 --> 01:57:13,830 for uses. So you could actually kill somebody in an aeroplane 1988 01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:16,680 with this bullet, but it would not. So as it gets into the guy, 1989 01:57:16,680 --> 01:57:18,630 it's just a bunch of pieces think it's controlled 1990 01:57:18,630 --> 01:57:21,210 fracturing bullets? Is that what they're called? That could be 1991 01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:23,910 Yeah, you can look it up. It's on Google. 1992 01:57:24,750 --> 01:57:26,220 Google it on the web bitch, 1993 01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:28,530 can you a lot of criminals have decided that these are good 1994 01:57:28,530 --> 01:57:30,990 bullets, because you can use them in crimes and that bullet 1995 01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:36,210 does nothing left. It's gone. So you can't look at the bullet say 1996 01:57:36,210 --> 01:57:40,170 what came from this guy's gun. Now, I don't see why this same 1997 01:57:40,170 --> 01:57:45,150 material, which is a I guess it's a composite of some sort. 1998 01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:49,500 Which on upon impact, it does strange things can't be used for 1999 01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,560 a missile that would be used for we were just exactly what he 2000 01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,780 described. Maybe he's telling us something that we should be 2001 01:57:54,780 --> 01:57:56,670 knowing or pay some attention to. There's, 2002 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,000 there's always he always has a reason for saying something. 2003 01:58:00,540 --> 01:58:04,620 Yeah, this guy's he's a piece of work. I just thought it was 2004 01:58:04,620 --> 01:58:08,910 interesting to specifically call out my theory of the exploding 2005 01:58:08,910 --> 01:58:12,960 houses blow a blow up into smithereens, which the 2006 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,660 MythBusters has not even been able to replicate 2007 01:58:15,690 --> 01:58:18,900 no Mythbusters, which, you know, I don't think they're 100% on 2008 01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:21,240 the money on everything. But they have not been able to do 2009 01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,850 that. And it's always seems sketchy to me, you need a 2010 01:58:23,850 --> 01:58:27,780 perfect oxygen gas combination to get a good explosion. And the 2011 01:58:27,780 --> 01:58:32,070 kind of exposure you have is is still limited by the amount of 2012 01:58:32,730 --> 01:58:36,690 hydrocarbons that are in within the explosive material. In other 2013 01:58:36,690 --> 01:58:39,270 words, if you don't I mean you can have a big explosion but 2014 01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:43,050 it's not going to be an atom bomb. No. And some some of these 2015 01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:46,440 things blow up like it's ridiculous. I mean, there's it's 2016 01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:48,990 not doesn't seem right. And of course 2017 01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:54,450 you know, when we talk about these things, obviously it all 2018 01:58:54,450 --> 01:59:00,810 falls under the crazy conspiracy theories, crazy conspiracy 2019 01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:06,840 theories. And wouldn't you know it? NPR has a whole piece 2020 01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:10,680 running this week about conspiracy theories. I think we 2021 01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:11,610 should listen to this 2022 01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:13,920 and your social science correspondent Shankar vedantam. 2023 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,650 Muffin drops by with juicy new research. He's here with us 2024 01:59:16,650 --> 01:59:17,190 again shot 2025 01:59:17,190 --> 01:59:23,100 juicy new research. Juicy new research. He's a scientist with 2026 01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,600 juicy new research. 2027 01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:27,480 What's on your mind? 2028 01:59:27,540 --> 01:59:30,300 I want to talk about conspiracy theories today. David, by 2029 01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:32,880 the way, if you have a British voice or Scottish then it sounds 2030 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:36,630 so much more authentic. And you can say words like canard and 2031 01:59:36,630 --> 01:59:37,140 farce. 2032 01:59:37,290 --> 01:59:39,540 And this is everything from whether the US government was 2033 01:59:39,540 --> 01:59:42,930 secretly behind the 911 attacks. Yes. To where the President 2034 01:59:42,930 --> 01:59:46,290 Obama was actually born in the United States. Oh, what 2035 01:59:46,290 --> 01:59:49,860 proportion of the US population would you say subscribes to one 2036 01:59:49,860 --> 01:59:52,020 of these theories? Oh, John. 2037 01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:56,730 I don't know. I have no idea half at least. Wow. 2038 01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:57,480 You're good. 2039 01:59:57,750 --> 01:59:59,190 10 15% Maybe 2040 01:59:59,190 --> 02:00:02,070 I don't know. Yeah, I would have guessed at most 20% And that's 2041 02:00:02,070 --> 02:00:04,620 why this new research by Eric Oliver and Thomas wood at the 2042 02:00:04,620 --> 02:00:08,580 University of Chicago took me aback. They find that 50% of the 2043 02:00:08,580 --> 02:00:11,160 country subscribes to at least one of these conspiracy 2044 02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:12,540 theories. You're good John, 2045 02:00:13,170 --> 02:00:14,550 which keeps the show going. 2046 02:00:15,090 --> 02:00:19,530 But I would consider that our national treasure. And this is 2047 02:00:19,530 --> 02:00:23,220 they marginalise everyone to such a degree that I now just 2048 02:00:23,610 --> 02:00:26,520 morons. 18%, maybe 10. 2049 02:00:26,670 --> 02:00:28,710 Well, yeah, the marketers department must go nuts when 2050 02:00:28,710 --> 02:00:31,290 they get real numbers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Like, 2051 02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:32,130 what? 2052 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,790 How about there's no agenda, guys? Can we get them on? We'll 2053 02:00:35,790 --> 02:00:37,500 just bleep out the curse words. 2054 02:00:37,650 --> 02:00:41,790 So 19% of Americans believed the US government was behind the 911 2055 02:00:41,790 --> 02:00:46,260 attacks. 25% believed the recent financial crisis was caused by, 2056 02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:50,040 you know, the small cabal of Wall Street bankers. 11% of 2057 02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:53,070 people believe that government is mandating a switch to compact 2058 02:00:53,070 --> 02:00:56,130 fluorescent light bulbs, because the light bulbs make people 2059 02:00:56,130 --> 02:00:57,480 obedient and easy to control. 2060 02:00:58,349 --> 02:01:02,279 Now, I hadn't heard that one, but I'm in it I'm in but it only 2061 02:01:02,279 --> 02:01:05,249 works if the water is also fluoridated, that you have to 2062 02:01:05,249 --> 02:01:06,359 have that combo. Wow. 2063 02:01:06,390 --> 02:01:08,580 Well, I wonder if it's worth reminding people exactly what a 2064 02:01:08,580 --> 02:01:11,520 conspiracy theory is, now knows how I think about it. And 2065 02:01:11,670 --> 02:01:18,600 this is interesting. So what is a conspiracy theory? Question? 2066 02:01:18,630 --> 02:01:24,210 Well, if so the word conspiracy conspire is stems from breathe 2067 02:01:24,210 --> 02:01:29,400 together. Which means that the conspiracy theory in general, 2068 02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:33,930 the way it's applied, is that I as a conspiracy theorist would 2069 02:01:33,930 --> 02:01:37,980 theorise that there are people conspiring breathing together to 2070 02:01:37,980 --> 02:01:43,230 do something on some level. That is the definition of conspiracy 2071 02:01:43,260 --> 02:01:46,500 theory. But they're going to take this into a whole new 2072 02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:48,360 level, the scientist conspiracy 2073 02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:51,300 theory is where you believe in a theory where no matter how much 2074 02:01:51,300 --> 02:01:54,690 disconfirming evidence comes in, you somehow convert that 2075 02:01:54,690 --> 02:01:57,750 disconfirming evidence into part of the conspiracy. Now, 2076 02:01:57,780 --> 02:02:01,950 I'm just gonna have to call big time. Bullshit. Now what a 2077 02:02:01,950 --> 02:02:06,720 conspiracy theory is. This is a scientist, 2078 02:02:06,780 --> 02:02:08,970 this is about global warming. 2079 02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:11,730 So with Barack Obama's birth certificate, for example, the 2080 02:02:11,730 --> 02:02:14,670 moment the birth certificate came up from Hawaii, the people 2081 02:02:14,670 --> 02:02:16,920 who believe that Barack Obama was not born in the United 2082 02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:19,980 States would say, the Hawaiian hospital now is in on the 2083 02:02:19,980 --> 02:02:21,390 conspiracy as well. Conspiracy 2084 02:02:21,390 --> 02:02:23,190 theories have been around for a while. I mean, there are 2085 02:02:23,190 --> 02:02:25,290 questions about whether Pearl Harbour was a way to get the 2086 02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:27,210 United States into World War Two. I mean, there are questions 2087 02:02:27,210 --> 02:02:30,120 about JFK assassination. You're not saying that 50% believe in 2088 02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:32,820 all these things, but just a 50% of Americans believe in at least 2089 02:02:32,820 --> 02:02:34,110 one conspiracy theory. Yeah, I 2090 02:02:34,110 --> 02:02:36,060 think what this research is suggesting is that the 2091 02:02:36,060 --> 02:02:38,580 willingness to believe in one of these theories is really 2092 02:02:38,580 --> 02:02:41,280 widespread across the spectrum and different groups of people 2093 02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:44,040 may believe different theories. But the propensity to believe 2094 02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:46,560 seems really widespread. Where's that propensity come from? Well, 2095 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,600 that's what the research was trying to address. And you know, 2096 02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:50,970 the stereotype about people who believe such theories is that 2097 02:02:50,970 --> 02:02:53,790 they are poorly educated or superstitious or that they are 2098 02:02:53,790 --> 02:02:57,090 political partisans. It turns out the consistent predictor of 2099 02:02:57,090 --> 02:03:00,300 such beliefs is something that you might almost call an All 2100 02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:03,810 American attitude and belief in individualism, distrust of 2101 02:03:03,810 --> 02:03:07,380 authority, and together those things translate into a desire 2102 02:03:07,380 --> 02:03:11,100 to avoid being controlled by large secret forces. So 2103 02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:16,770 in other words, we're I'm a patriot. That's it. It's an 2104 02:03:16,770 --> 02:03:17,910 American thing. 2105 02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:21,000 Well, you know, the cyber surprise you didn't catch this. 2106 02:03:22,530 --> 02:03:25,290 It's after you gave me all the kudos for the drug guy. I'm 2107 02:03:25,290 --> 02:03:31,650 gonna have to tell you something that it's just very slightly. I 2108 02:03:31,650 --> 02:03:35,130 slightly annoying, but at the same time, it doesn't really 2109 02:03:35,130 --> 02:03:41,340 surprise me. The Lancet. Yes, yep. The Lancet came out with 2110 02:03:41,370 --> 02:03:46,680 some studies, not only condemning the use of fluoride 2111 02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:47,340 in water. 2112 02:03:48,210 --> 02:03:52,470 It's very specifically talked about this. Harvard even has 2113 02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:53,160 this research. 2114 02:03:53,190 --> 02:03:56,130 Well, they're now telling people to get it out of their watershed 2115 02:03:56,130 --> 02:03:57,120 as fast as they can. 2116 02:03:57,150 --> 02:04:00,660 Yeah, no, we did talk about this on the show. When I didn't pay 2117 02:04:00,660 --> 02:04:04,290 any attention. At Harvard. It's a it's a The Lancet and A 2118 02:04:04,290 --> 02:04:08,970 Harvard study say it when the guys were protesting over the 2119 02:04:08,970 --> 02:04:11,340 winter. This is when this came out. This is when this is when 2120 02:04:11,340 --> 02:04:14,040 we were talking about it. Because no one cares, 2121 02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:16,380 you could march 2014 thing so it's newer. 2122 02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,040 No, it's it's it's newer, but it's later than the Harvard 2123 02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:23,220 study. Okay, so but it's irrelevant. You can say this a 2124 02:04:23,220 --> 02:04:26,940 million times I had two people in Austin saying we Florida 2125 02:04:26,940 --> 02:04:31,140 Water and according to Harvard study and analyse the lancet is 2126 02:04:31,140 --> 02:04:41,250 no good. Theory The good control you're prone to No, no, I just 2127 02:04:41,250 --> 02:04:43,650 don't want to be medicated without asking for it. That's an 2128 02:04:43,650 --> 02:04:47,910 unnecessary and it's very bad for people with thyroid issues. 2129 02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:55,410 Very bad. All right. In in the UK, it's like all they're 2130 02:04:55,410 --> 02:04:58,680 finding in their water over there is cocaine. As everyone 2131 02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:01,320 everyone's snorting coke. Ken It's in the in the in all the 2132 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:05,010 wastewater is at all what's the main ingredient? I had it in the 2133 02:05:05,010 --> 02:05:10,650 show notes last I don't know on last week yeah this whatever the 2134 02:05:10,650 --> 02:05:13,290 main and of course the main ingredient cocaine I'm sure was 2135 02:05:13,290 --> 02:05:17,220 not cocaine I'm sure it's you know some stupid chemical they 2136 02:05:17,220 --> 02:05:22,110 put in 620 to me see what that is you're chemists you should 2137 02:05:22,110 --> 02:05:23,040 know these things 2138 02:05:23,100 --> 02:05:28,350 I don't know everything you do know even close yeah 2139 02:05:28,350 --> 02:05:30,780 you do you know lots of thing here maybe I haven't here Euro 2140 02:05:30,780 --> 02:05:35,400 land yeah London is the cocaine capital of Europe. 2141 02:05:35,759 --> 02:05:38,819 That explains the pound being a buck 67 2142 02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,530 European Drug Report 2014 analysed the sewage system of 42 2143 02:05:43,530 --> 02:05:47,070 cities for traces of the drug and found the English capital 2144 02:05:47,070 --> 02:05:51,600 London had the highest cocaine use of any city tested with 2145 02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,180 consumption of the drug appearing to peak on a Tuesday. 2146 02:05:56,370 --> 02:05:59,190 That's right and notice that is right in between no agenda shows 2147 02:05:59,190 --> 02:06:02,610 by the way. Yeah, I'm tweaking man, I gotta die. I don't want 2148 02:06:02,610 --> 02:06:06,360 that. I get no show. The samples which are taken and tested 2149 02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:08,790 during the week in 2013. To provide a forensic snapshot of 2150 02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:11,250 drug use found London was one of the cities with the highest use 2151 02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:16,470 of ecstasy as well. London sewage water contains 711 2152 02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:24,510 milligrammes of benzo Ben's benzo Bennink, Joy leg gunning. 2153 02:06:24,510 --> 02:06:24,870 Yeah, I'd 2154 02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:26,520 have to look at it and read it for you. 2155 02:06:26,670 --> 02:06:29,070 Yeah, did you get it benzo? Like, like, I 2156 02:06:29,070 --> 02:06:31,860 don't I didn't Don't sit in here just listening. I don't have an 2157 02:06:31,860 --> 02:06:32,220 abandoned 2158 02:06:32,220 --> 02:06:38,280 Zoie let co Guinean whatever the main chemical in cocaine. Why 2159 02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:40,440 isn't cocaine the main chemical and cocaine? 2160 02:06:40,710 --> 02:06:43,800 The cocaine is just kind of a brand name. Oh, 2161 02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:49,530 really? What is its benzo? Like go go cocaine. I guess the I can 2162 02:06:49,530 --> 02:06:52,350 imagine that. Hey, man, let's do some benzo. Like, 2163 02:06:52,590 --> 02:06:54,450 no one's gonna be able to use this stuff because you can't 2164 02:06:54,450 --> 02:06:55,710 pronounce it. In general, 2165 02:06:55,710 --> 02:06:58,470 cocaine and ecstasy were more popular drugs in Western and 2166 02:06:58,470 --> 02:07:01,230 some southern cities while crystal meth remain the most 2167 02:07:01,230 --> 02:07:08,130 popular in Eastern Europe go Ukraine. However, overall use of 2168 02:07:08,130 --> 02:07:10,320 the drug has continued to decline in countries such as 2169 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:13,800 Denmark and the United Kingdom after peak in 2008. Well, yeah, 2170 02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:18,390 that's after all the bankers got fired 11 Out of the 12 countries 2171 02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:20,880 also reported falls and cocaine use and surveys undertaken 2172 02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:26,610 between 2000 to 2013 Interesting that also a lot of 2173 02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:30,779 illegal voting well for anything people shouldn't be so all 2174 02:07:30,809 --> 02:07:34,499 geared up wired up on cocaine, it's just not a not a healthy 2175 02:07:34,619 --> 02:07:35,729 product. No, 2176 02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:39,330 it will then there's the UK as well. Prominent GP deaths spend 2177 02:07:39,330 --> 02:07:45,000 says in response to the UK happy pill prescriptions top 50 2178 02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,660 million. We do over prescribe pill prescriptions. 2179 02:07:48,690 --> 02:07:51,300 No, yeah, no, I think your theory again, I'll give you 2180 02:07:51,300 --> 02:07:55,380 another more kudos which i i bring up in conversation at the 2181 02:07:55,380 --> 02:07:56,070 dinner table. 2182 02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:58,980 Do you do you bring up my name and relationship? Isn't it a 2183 02:07:58,980 --> 02:08:00,030 buck 67 2184 02:08:00,030 --> 02:08:03,060 in the pounds where the buck 67 because the banks are all being 2185 02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:05,850 propped up by drug money. The British banks 2186 02:08:05,879 --> 02:08:15,209 which is why they have to put it on the GDP now. Right. We know, 2187 02:08:15,569 --> 02:08:19,829 we know that the American economy was saved essentially by 2188 02:08:19,829 --> 02:08:26,729 the drug money and it's legal and illegal drugs is both Yeah. 2189 02:08:27,839 --> 02:08:30,479 And has it ever been any different really? Well, I don't 2190 02:08:30,509 --> 02:08:34,199 know what the East India Company was about. I mean, okay, so yes, 2191 02:08:34,199 --> 02:08:40,049 coffee may not be the biggest drug but coffee, cocoa, tea, 2192 02:08:40,259 --> 02:08:43,799 everything the trade is always based on Happy stuff. 2193 02:08:43,860 --> 02:08:47,460 The real reason you drink have tea time in the afternoon it is 2194 02:08:47,460 --> 02:08:47,730 certain 2195 02:08:47,730 --> 02:08:51,780 hours to take is for your opium it's for years 2196 02:08:51,810 --> 02:08:55,950 to get over the little circadian cycle hump where you get kind of 2197 02:08:55,950 --> 02:08:57,780 drowsy around three o'clock right after 2198 02:08:57,780 --> 02:09:02,010 after the your your benzo was wearing off, you know. And 2199 02:09:02,370 --> 02:09:05,070 before we go to the ecstasy, have a little bit of tea. 2200 02:09:05,550 --> 02:09:09,720 Probably not that as alcohol it's every commerce is 2201 02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:13,740 I think the old crow reserve Yeah, it 2202 02:09:13,770 --> 02:09:17,310 all economies revolve around drugging them people because 2203 02:09:17,310 --> 02:09:19,410 that's the one thing you is guaranteed. 2204 02:09:20,130 --> 02:09:21,600 Well, that's the only way they can get by 2205 02:09:24,510 --> 02:09:27,390 that in our show. Oh, there you go. They're both very addicted. 2206 02:09:27,390 --> 02:09:30,600 That's exactly right. I don't know why I hit that one I'm in. 2207 02:09:31,230 --> 02:09:34,710 I'm gonna show my school by Jonah. No agenda. Imagine all 2208 02:09:34,710 --> 02:09:37,260 the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun 2209 02:09:44,190 --> 02:09:47,160 even Coke, Coca Cola at one point that was cocaine wasn't 2210 02:09:47,370 --> 02:09:52,950 cocaine. Yes. What was called Kocha. Trevor Lewis in Langley 2211 02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:55,350 British Columbia. Want to thank some people for helping us out 2212 02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:59,460 for show 623 including Trevor. And this is where we'll find 2213 02:09:59,460 --> 02:10:03,780 that we missed it. Are day $104.20 from laying these a very 2214 02:10:03,780 --> 02:10:08,520 long note, your long Boehner inaugural mini stone nation 2215 02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:10,320 104 20 is 2216 02:10:12,750 --> 02:10:14,010 no rights. 2217 02:10:14,070 --> 02:10:18,180 No, no. Otherwise I'll be reading Yeah, I can only do that 2218 02:10:18,210 --> 02:10:21,960 particular voice which I like to do is makes me cough. 2219 02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:26,460 Yeah, it's hard to do and it needs to be part of, of a proper 2220 02:10:26,490 --> 02:10:29,160 major. Yeah, it needs to be part of a proper sto nation 2221 02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:29,700 otherwise, you'd just 2222 02:10:29,700 --> 02:10:34,260 come by we'll give you a he does have some interesting rise up 2223 02:10:34,260 --> 02:10:37,650 citizens would consider the worst pun and filters super 2224 02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:41,160 important low effect backs. Oh, he's working. He's out there's a 2225 02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:45,180 Crohn's disease vaccine being tested in Canada. He wants to 2226 02:10:45,180 --> 02:10:48,540 alert people to this because apparently I don't know if it's 2227 02:10:48,540 --> 02:10:50,700 if you already have Crohn's disease I don't know how vaccine 2228 02:10:50,700 --> 02:10:53,610 can do anything it's got to be some sort of a curative whatever 2229 02:10:53,610 --> 02:10:58,110 the case is a look into it if you get these problems. Benjamin 2230 02:10:58,110 --> 02:11:07,530 fields in Bartlesville Oklahoma 99. First time donor like to 2231 02:11:07,530 --> 02:11:10,650 request a mandatory D douching. Is not your don't need to do 2232 02:11:10,650 --> 02:11:11,310 show why 2233 02:11:11,310 --> 02:11:12,210 Welcome at D do. 2234 02:11:14,340 --> 02:11:16,230 You've been de Deus to 2235 02:11:16,230 --> 02:11:20,310 thing I don't want to get into the game as being the first time 2236 02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:23,940 don't it doesn't mean you've been a douche. It's your douche 2237 02:11:23,940 --> 02:11:27,240 is are the ones who have been called for years and years and 2238 02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:30,000 years and get called out for it. True. He started listening to 2239 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,310 the show like you know six months ago and you finally give 2240 02:11:32,370 --> 02:11:34,320 true that's pretty much the model but 2241 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:38,790 somebody if you feel dirty, like Harry Reid, if you feel unclean, 2242 02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:39,240 I can 2243 02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:43,980 accept that. Maxwell Frey. 6942 out of Brooklyn, New York. I 2244 02:11:43,980 --> 02:11:47,190 write to you stoned and drunk hence the donation amount of 69 2245 02:11:47,190 --> 02:11:51,690 for 20. Pretty cool, huh? And he doesn't sound that drunk or 2246 02:11:51,690 --> 02:11:52,770 stoned in this note. 2247 02:11:53,460 --> 02:11:55,710 I was surprised there's not a lot of double nickels on the 2248 02:11:55,710 --> 02:11:57,690 dime that came in today. Yeah, no, 2249 02:11:57,690 --> 02:12:01,200 it was weird. He says he thinks there's a drone been circled 2250 02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:03,120 around his house. I don't go outside anymore without 2251 02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:07,470 disguises. So the drone doesn't know where did you did you see 2252 02:12:07,470 --> 02:12:09,810 there was a second people should know this. I didn't take any 2253 02:12:09,810 --> 02:12:12,540 clips from it because most of them was repetitive. But there 2254 02:12:12,540 --> 02:12:19,680 was a second interview with Snowden. That went to Brazil. I 2255 02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:23,820 Brazilian. Yeah. And it was pretty much the same stuff is 2256 02:12:23,820 --> 02:12:26,340 that there's a number of different things. One, he still 2257 02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:30,300 says he works for the government and incorrect it. Yep. And the 2258 02:12:30,300 --> 02:12:33,630 other one they asked him if he ever if he uses disguises when 2259 02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:38,910 he roams around and he says he'd rather not say and the third one 2260 02:12:38,910 --> 02:12:41,730 which there was actually three things. The third thing was he 2261 02:12:41,730 --> 02:12:45,810 was literally begging the Brazilian moderator for for 2262 02:12:45,810 --> 02:12:47,910 asylum for asylum in Brazil. Yeah, 2263 02:12:47,940 --> 02:12:50,700 well, that's the only part that got out of Snowden would love 2264 02:12:50,700 --> 02:12:53,250 asylum in Brazil. That's the only thing but I think is 2265 02:12:53,490 --> 02:12:55,470 Russian asylum was extended. 2266 02:12:56,130 --> 02:12:59,130 Yeah, well, I had to be already be out. Yeah, it's over this 2267 02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:03,420 this month. Maxwell fry Frey Brooklyn, New York. She's 942 2268 02:13:03,450 --> 02:13:10,350 Matthew Cara VITAS in medical Lake Washington. 6464, Francis 2269 02:13:10,350 --> 02:13:14,070 Lambert and Zabrak. Croatia. Nice nice 2270 02:13:14,070 --> 02:13:17,070 Croatia. How's How's the water level doing that? Let us know. 2271 02:13:17,519 --> 02:13:21,989 Best podcasts University says Ben Hinke in Orland Park, 2272 02:13:21,989 --> 02:13:25,649 Illinois. Best the newsletter inspired me to make my first 2273 02:13:25,649 --> 02:13:27,719 ever double nickels on the dime. These are double nickels on the 2274 02:13:27,719 --> 02:13:30,899 dime. I'll read them off. Christine Mick Phillips. We put 2275 02:13:30,899 --> 02:13:36,479 her into the birthdays birthday. She's already in. Robert demoff 2276 02:13:36,509 --> 02:13:37,739 in London. 2277 02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:39,420 Well, let me just read this for a second. I would like to 2278 02:13:39,420 --> 02:13:42,870 dedicate this donation by Uncle Steve Veniamin of Genoa, 2279 02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:45,480 Illinois for his birthday. I want to thank him for 2280 02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:48,300 introducing me to your show. Thank you both for your courage 2281 02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:51,450 and dedication. Okay, that's important. Robert dem 2282 02:13:51,450 --> 02:13:59,040 off yes it is. London, UK he's headed to the Grand Canyon via 2283 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:02,670 Vegas a proceed. Proceed winning proceed winnings will go well. 2284 02:14:02,700 --> 02:14:07,290 We're not gonna get anything. Proceed winnings and Vegas. He 2285 02:14:07,290 --> 02:14:09,930 does have a douchebag call out we have to make it. Okay, bad 2286 02:14:09,930 --> 02:14:11,640 call out to Mr. kippers. 2287 02:14:11,670 --> 02:14:13,710 No douchebag 2288 02:14:15,300 --> 02:14:17,730 he doesn't know if any of his people made it out of club 33 2289 02:14:17,730 --> 02:14:23,490 Live John Atkinson Aiken in Babson Park, Florida. Now 2290 02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:26,040 there's something that I learned joven guy did you get his name 2291 02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:31,980 because I don't have his V V V V V V Low. V V V V Low. Nicole 2292 02:14:31,980 --> 02:14:36,180 Nikolas zoom us from Parts Unknown double nickels on the 2293 02:14:36,180 --> 02:14:40,470 dime. Matthew fuller San Antonio, Texas San Antonio 2294 02:14:41,730 --> 02:14:47,040 Charles Eves in Lake Zurich, Illinois, and Steven McConnell 2295 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:52,110 in Cortland, Ohio and that I think ends the double nickels on 2296 02:14:52,110 --> 02:14:56,100 the dime Kevin pain 5069 comes in commonly. I think he's a Sir 2297 02:14:56,250 --> 02:14:59,970 Sir Kevin pain. I believe so. Sir Martinez Rivera and 2298 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,110 Florence, South Carolina sending a note by hand handwritten note, 2299 02:15:04,260 --> 02:15:10,380 it literally is longhand. I haven't donated this year so 2300 02:15:10,410 --> 02:15:14,460 this humble donation will hopefully take care of the 2301 02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:21,150 Boehner. That's why the meme area of the check says Oh, memo 2302 02:15:21,150 --> 02:15:25,560 area says sexual favours. What is that? 2303 02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:27,180 Is that first taxes or something? 2304 02:15:27,390 --> 02:15:32,580 You put in a little note that our lesbian rights and sanity 2305 02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:39,960 show 620 town 21 was awesome. I must confess I never really 2306 02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:43,860 thought the show these about Snowden didn't care about 2307 02:15:43,860 --> 02:15:46,950 Snowden. Okay, anyway, it's a it's a nice note. Thank you. 2308 02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:54,210 Matthew bag Inara in Ascot, Vale, Australia. 50s are all $50 2309 02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:58,320 Chad in mid Los Angeles, California. Christopher Walker 2310 02:15:58,350 --> 02:16:04,260 Parts Unknown Michael zoom us again again. 50 Matthew, Jenna 2311 02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:08,520 zu ski in Chicago, Illinois, James butcher in Western 2312 02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:13,290 Australia. And finally our regular sir Brett Farrell in 2313 02:16:13,290 --> 02:16:17,790 Oklahoma City. OKC and that will conclude our donors segment for 2314 02:16:17,790 --> 02:16:21,420 show 623 Reminding again reminding again people to go to 2315 02:16:21,420 --> 02:16:23,520 dough divorce.org/na. 2316 02:16:23,550 --> 02:16:28,170 Yes. Thank you very much we do have well, we'll get to that in 2317 02:16:28,170 --> 02:16:32,820 a second personal and do this for a moment before i go.org/n. 2318 02:16:32,910 --> 02:16:33,990 A are the birthdays 2319 02:16:40,379 --> 02:16:43,319 Christine McPhillips, as we just heard says Happy Birthday to 2320 02:16:43,319 --> 02:16:48,719 Uncle Steve Veniamin of Genoa, Genoa, Genoa, Illinois. And 2321 02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:52,799 Jackie Priester says Happy Birthday to her mom Diana Holst 2322 02:16:52,799 --> 02:16:55,859 turns 60 Happy birthday from all of your buddies. Do you like the 2323 02:16:55,859 --> 02:16:58,769 gospel Bob so much on the phone to the best podcast in the 2324 02:16:58,769 --> 02:17:05,039 universe? Sir GI Bill Ozzy becomes a Baronet today. We're 2325 02:17:05,039 --> 02:17:10,769 very happy to have him on board and Phillip Pfotenhauer is how 2326 02:17:12,059 --> 02:17:12,779 are you? Okay, 2327 02:17:14,490 --> 02:17:15,720 fine. All right. 2328 02:17:15,749 --> 02:17:18,689 I almost clipped you there with that thing. I'm sorry. No, I've 2329 02:17:18,689 --> 02:17:24,329 got a little cut here under my ear lobe. That's high sticking 2330 02:17:24,329 --> 02:17:25,019 I'm sorry. 2331 02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:29,670 No. Hi, sticking with the silver Pfotenhauer, so far that you 2332 02:17:29,670 --> 02:17:33,810 have become an instant baronet's night thing and we welcome you 2333 02:17:33,810 --> 02:17:35,940 to the round table and pronounced the hereby 2334 02:17:36,510 --> 02:17:40,260 Pfotenhauer night and round table for you sir. We've got 2335 02:17:40,440 --> 02:17:43,500 whiskey and websites we've got hookers and blow we've got been 2336 02:17:43,500 --> 02:17:46,590 poisoned Chardonnay hot pants and boots, Kundalini yoga and 2337 02:17:46,590 --> 02:17:49,560 Jambo bad science and perky breasts, Cuban cigars and single 2338 02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:52,470 malt scotch, sparkling cider and escorts and of course, if you 2339 02:17:52,470 --> 02:17:56,040 needed some mutton and me Are you okay? 2340 02:17:57,059 --> 02:17:57,809 Well, I don't know. 2341 02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:03,330 It sounds like you were crying during that segment. That's, 2342 02:18:03,570 --> 02:18:07,350 that's what I heard. Thank you very much. We'll go to nodes in 2343 02:18:07,350 --> 02:18:11,010 a nation.com/rings to pick up your well deserved ring and 2344 02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:14,640 thank you for supporting the programme. Last night as I was 2345 02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:19,320 prepping around 10 o'clock. And I'm typically in my office I got 2346 02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:21,750 this corner thing of the office studio. It's the corner thing 2347 02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:24,420 under the tree. So I got to Windows and all sides which as 2348 02:18:24,420 --> 02:18:27,420 we know we're kind of open and all the pollen and stuff comes 2349 02:18:27,420 --> 02:18:32,730 in. And I see a police vehicle going by with his lights on. And 2350 02:18:32,730 --> 02:18:37,170 he stops at the corner like he's waiting for somebody. But maybe 2351 02:18:37,170 --> 02:18:41,640 it's just me. But at what point did someone on the police force 2352 02:18:41,640 --> 02:18:44,970 save themselves? You know that regular flashing blue light 2353 02:18:44,970 --> 02:18:50,040 that's just not enough. I mean, they said he had flashing blue 2354 02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:52,980 and red and his blinkers are going are alternating and he's 2355 02:18:52,980 --> 02:18:57,510 got like a blink strobes and little like, like landing strip 2356 02:18:57,510 --> 02:19:02,070 like drip drip drip. I mean, do we do they think that we didn't 2357 02:19:02,070 --> 02:19:05,760 get the idea of the regular flashing blue lights? 2358 02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:09,809 Well, it used to be red lights, red light and sirens I mean, 2359 02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:14,940 but but this the whole car was like it was like a Christmas 2360 02:19:14,940 --> 02:19:15,960 tree Texas has 2361 02:19:15,960 --> 02:19:19,740 the a lot of these cars. What is the point all car lights up like 2362 02:19:19,740 --> 02:19:21,060 a light show? What 2363 02:19:21,060 --> 02:19:25,050 is the point? In fact, I'm not even intimidated anymore. I'm 2364 02:19:25,050 --> 02:19:27,480 like, You look like a dick. I mean, you need you just need 2365 02:19:27,480 --> 02:19:33,150 spinning rims on that thing. It's crazy. What thinking goes 2366 02:19:33,150 --> 02:19:37,320 into that. It's very strange. And they 2367 02:19:37,740 --> 02:19:41,490 find it very annoying because at night it actually blinds you to 2368 02:19:41,490 --> 02:19:42,150 unsafe. 2369 02:19:42,270 --> 02:19:44,310 Yeah, well and they're just sitting there on the corner 2370 02:19:44,340 --> 02:19:47,190 right on because we're a corner house right on the corner for 10 2371 02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:49,980 minutes with all these lights literally. flip, flip, flip, 2372 02:19:49,980 --> 02:19:50,190 flip. 2373 02:19:51,119 --> 02:19:52,289 What was the point of that? 2374 02:19:52,350 --> 02:19:54,840 I guess they were waiting for somebody but you know, they 2375 02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:57,810 never show up. I mean, no, no, they don't a truck. Maybe the 2376 02:19:57,810 --> 02:20:00,120 donut truck didn't show up after 10 or 15 minutes. If you As 2377 02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:03,750 drove off, and I liked the Austin PD in general, I mean, 2378 02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:07,560 I've only had good experience anyway. You know, 2379 02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:11,040 they're okay. Yeah, so far. Of course, there's 2380 02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:14,070 always there's dishes everywhere, but I find them to 2381 02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:18,570 be quite they fit in with Austin. They're quite helpful. 2382 02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:21,180 But of course, that could be dicks too, as with everything, 2383 02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:25,950 but I'm not against them. But this is I'm against this. That's 2384 02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:29,610 just stupid. And I think it makes you look less 2385 02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:35,040 authoritarian. Like, this is like the circus coming to town. 2386 02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:38,550 Really stupid. So today is June 5. 2387 02:20:38,580 --> 02:20:40,500 Eve, that should be a diet, you play your theme 2388 02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:46,650 I could play that's not a minor one, minor ones. Today, today is 2389 02:20:46,650 --> 02:20:53,370 June 5, and I've been receiving these emails for weeks. And at 2390 02:20:53,370 --> 02:20:58,710 the same outfit that was doing what were they they were for net 2391 02:20:58,710 --> 02:21:06,870 neutrality. f f t f. They are fight for the future.org. And 2392 02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:10,200 I'm sure you didn't know about it. But you know, this is 2393 02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:13,080 another fine nonprofit. And of course, I tracked him down to 2394 02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:20,070 see where the money's coming from. Today is grabbed this clip 2395 02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:25,440 today is reset the next day. Did you not know this, John? I did 2396 02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:28,020 not know this. Now. Here's their little commercial. It's 2397 02:21:28,020 --> 02:21:29,250 animated. We use 2398 02:21:29,250 --> 02:21:32,190 the internet to be ourselves. But governments are building a 2399 02:21:32,190 --> 02:21:35,640 prison around it. We have to stop them. But how's 2400 02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:38,250 this? Oh, stop, stop. Is this one of those things with a 2401 02:21:38,250 --> 02:21:39,360 drawing on the screen? 2402 02:21:39,390 --> 02:21:43,050 No, not. But it's similar to that except that stick figures 2403 02:21:43,050 --> 02:21:46,560 that are already pre drawn and animated. Okay, it's almost as 2404 02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:47,310 bad. They seem 2405 02:21:47,310 --> 02:21:50,340 so vast and powerful. But government spies have a 2406 02:21:50,340 --> 02:21:54,780 weakness. They can hack anybody. But they can't hack everybody. 2407 02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:58,680 Folks like the NSA depend on collecting insecure data from 2408 02:21:58,680 --> 02:22:03,300 tapped fibre. They depend on our mistakes, mistakes, we can fix 2409 02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:04,470 the plan? 2410 02:22:04,980 --> 02:22:08,640 I think right there, what they what they just said. Folks like 2411 02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:11,940 the NSA depend on let me just roll that back because that gave 2412 02:22:11,940 --> 02:22:15,210 it away from me who was going to be behind this. I have a 2413 02:22:15,210 --> 02:22:19,560 weakness. They can hack anybody. Or they can hack everybody 2414 02:22:19,620 --> 02:22:22,740 anyways, like they get it from tapping fibre. Okay. 2415 02:22:22,830 --> 02:22:26,550 Folks, like the NSA depend on collecting insecure data from 2416 02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:31,170 tapped fibre. They depend on our mistakes. Mistakes, we can fix 2417 02:22:31,740 --> 02:22:37,380 the plan, reset the net together on June 5, one year after 2418 02:22:37,380 --> 02:22:41,700 Snowden first NSA story, we all take one powerful step to turn 2419 02:22:41,700 --> 02:22:45,990 off government spying and turn on freedom. The call is simple. 2420 02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:49,320 Find some territory of the internet that you can protect 2421 02:22:49,320 --> 02:22:53,460 from prying eyes, seize it and hold it. Are you a developer 2422 02:22:53,850 --> 02:22:56,880 promised to add one NSA resistant feature to your app? 2423 02:22:57,330 --> 02:23:00,840 Are you an internet user promised to try one NSA 2424 02:23:00,840 --> 02:23:05,910 resistant privacy tool, got a website or Tumblr run our splash 2425 02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:09,210 screen on June 5, to show the world we're resetting the net. 2426 02:23:11,100 --> 02:23:15,270 The SIR moment to rally and realise our power without 2427 02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:18,720 needing anyone's permission, we can decide our future when that 2428 02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:24,420 safe, open and free and won't be easy. But if we work hard now, 2429 02:23:24,750 --> 02:23:28,680 the internet will never be a prison. Reset the net. Okay. 2430 02:23:30,450 --> 02:23:35,190 All right now, is I'm looking at this and like, Where's this 2431 02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:41,430 coming from? And why? Well, so this is from the fight for the 2432 02:23:41,430 --> 02:23:45,540 future.org I won't bore you with the details, but you gotta fight 2433 02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:48,420 for the future.org if you contribute to them, you will be 2434 02:23:48,420 --> 02:23:51,720 giving to the Centre for rights which is fully funded by the new 2435 02:23:51,720 --> 02:23:56,610 organisation Institute Education Fund. We which you can find it 2436 02:23:56,610 --> 02:24:03,540 new organising.com u.yes.com, not even.org, New organising.com 2437 02:24:03,690 --> 02:24:12,120 Which this? This is clearly part of a Silicon Valley push who are 2438 02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:18,090 freaking out that people are starting to understand what 2439 02:24:18,090 --> 02:24:24,120 privacy really means. It's no accident that Google comes out 2440 02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:29,520 with some promise of maybe somehow going to do is what they 2441 02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,270 call end to end encryption, which I don't think is going to 2442 02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:36,270 be exactly what we think it is. But we'll wait until we see the 2443 02:24:36,270 --> 02:24:46,800 implementation. The the Silicon Valley is seeing that people are 2444 02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:51,300 waking up to their business model. And they're starting to 2445 02:24:51,300 --> 02:24:54,930 catch on to it and they're not really liking it. And they've 2446 02:24:54,930 --> 02:24:59,340 sent this big letter at me Oh, Obama, you know, the NSA is 2447 02:24:59,340 --> 02:25:01,110 making us look bad and it's true. 2448 02:25:01,500 --> 02:25:04,440 And now that they're losing overseas business for sure time 2449 02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:08,580 overseas business. Yeah. And and quite honestly, it's because 2450 02:25:08,580 --> 02:25:12,420 your business model of stealing information well, that's not I 2451 02:25:12,420 --> 02:25:16,740 won't even say that of trading, but in a nefarious way, not 2452 02:25:16,740 --> 02:25:19,590 really being super upfront, but hiding it in your terms of 2453 02:25:19,590 --> 02:25:23,100 service and all this bullcrap it people are figuring out, you 2454 02:25:23,100 --> 02:25:27,330 know, I don't really need Google don't really need all this 2455 02:25:27,330 --> 02:25:30,000 stuff. I don't have to maybe I need some pieces of it, or some 2456 02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:32,520 pieces are good. I don't really need to have your whole 2457 02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:35,610 ecosystem and have you suck up every piece of me. Marc 2458 02:25:35,610 --> 02:25:40,380 Andreessen was on CNBC and I kind of liked this piece, 2459 02:25:40,380 --> 02:25:43,680 because he's one of the few guys that will just go out and say 2460 02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:49,380 it. And he's really pissed. Snowden as a trader. And by what 2461 02:25:49,380 --> 02:25:52,770 happened to Marc Andreessen, I remember when he sent me back 2462 02:25:52,770 --> 02:25:57,480 when he's in school he sent me the first HTTP was like version 2463 02:25:57,480 --> 02:25:59,250 1.3. Or something of a what 2464 02:25:59,250 --> 02:26:03,270 happened to John but is being very large and bald. Yeah. And 2465 02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:08,580 just like a like a creepy. Yeah, creepy. Creepy. That's creepy 2466 02:26:08,580 --> 02:26:08,760 where 2467 02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:11,790 we are in Silicon Valley this morning. We caught up with Marc 2468 02:26:11,790 --> 02:26:15,240 Andreessen and talked about the NSA and Edward Snowden. 2469 02:26:16,019 --> 02:26:18,059 Obviously, he's a traitor. Like is if you look up in the 2470 02:26:18,059 --> 02:26:20,099 Encyclopaedia trader, like there's a picture of Yvette 2471 02:26:20,099 --> 02:26:20,339 stone. 2472 02:26:20,490 --> 02:26:23,700 All right, yeah. Okay. Mark, go. Like it's he's like a textbook 2473 02:26:23,700 --> 02:26:24,060 trader. 2474 02:26:24,390 --> 02:26:26,970 They don't get much more trader than that. I will say I'm in the 2475 02:26:26,970 --> 02:26:29,820 district minority out here. Like I think most people in Silicon 2476 02:26:29,820 --> 02:26:31,620 Valley would would would pick the other designation. 2477 02:26:32,010 --> 02:26:34,320 And you think he's a traitor? Because 2478 02:26:34,350 --> 02:26:36,960 Because he stole national security secrets and gave them 2479 02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:38,400 to everybody on the planet. 2480 02:26:38,430 --> 02:26:41,190 Do you know what was happening though? Do you feel that he can 2481 02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:44,730 pay attention here, because he doesn't think Marc Andreessen 2482 02:26:44,730 --> 02:26:47,670 doesn't really care about what he did? He cares about what he 2483 02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:52,740 did to Silicon Valley? And how he basically broke the hole. 2484 02:26:53,340 --> 02:26:56,700 Shut up already. Yeah, we know that we're given stuff to the 2485 02:26:56,700 --> 02:26:59,250 Feds and you know, but it's all part of the deals working out 2486 02:26:59,250 --> 02:27:01,800 perfectly. That's why Andreessen, thanks, 2487 02:27:01,859 --> 02:27:03,839 expose something that you didn't know. 2488 02:27:03,900 --> 02:27:06,180 So I think people this is something I've gotten people 2489 02:27:06,180 --> 02:27:08,040 have gotten very upset at me for saying this. I think that 2490 02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:10,470 he likes people being upset at him, too. He likes to say that 2491 02:27:10,470 --> 02:27:13,590 people are upset at me. And I think he's a loner. He's 2492 02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:14,340 a maverick. 2493 02:27:14,970 --> 02:27:17,310 I think if you actually follow the NSA, I think if you actually 2494 02:27:17,310 --> 02:27:20,520 read the books and the articles and understood the history, I 2495 02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:22,380 think he generally assumed that they were doing pretty much 2496 02:27:22,380 --> 02:27:26,070 everything that's come out. And so I big surprise for me was the 2497 02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:28,260 people were so shocked, because I thought we'd been funny. Let's 2498 02:27:28,260 --> 02:27:28,650 say stop, 2499 02:27:28,650 --> 02:27:31,560 stop, stop, stop, stop. Let's just look at that logic for a 2500 02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:34,230 second. If you read all the books and papers and all the 2501 02:27:34,230 --> 02:27:38,040 rest, everything that's come out you already assumed so how's he 2502 02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:40,500 a traitor? Then? He just bringing out information that 2503 02:27:40,500 --> 02:27:41,490 everybody already knew 2504 02:27:41,519 --> 02:27:44,339 because he stole Doc is but he was angry said means the 2505 02:27:44,339 --> 02:27:45,599 subtext. Yeah, I 2506 02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:48,300 know, you're what you're saying I think is correct. But I'm just 2507 02:27:48,330 --> 02:27:52,200 pointing out to the illogic of what he's saying. In terms of 2508 02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:53,850 his conclusion. A head 2509 02:27:53,850 --> 02:28:01,740 is so big. Yeah. And but it also has like, he has Celie missings. 2510 02:28:01,770 --> 02:28:03,360 He has cellulite on his head. 2511 02:28:03,599 --> 02:28:05,759 Is All that's missing is big Boyle's 2512 02:28:08,010 --> 02:28:11,280 exactly nailed it for 50 years, but has 10s of 1000s of 2513 02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:12,930 employees and spends 10s of billion dollars a year. 2514 02:28:13,170 --> 02:28:16,380 No, I'm sorry, I thought that was you, John, I'm sorry. Oh, my 2515 02:28:16,380 --> 02:28:17,820 God, I'm hearing voices in my head, 2516 02:28:18,060 --> 02:28:20,910 fighting this agency for 50 years that has 10s of 1000s of 2517 02:28:20,910 --> 02:28:23,310 employees and spends 10s of billion dollars a year. You're 2518 02:28:23,310 --> 02:28:25,410 not uncomfortable. I thought they were spying? I mean, that 2519 02:28:25,410 --> 02:28:28,380 was my impression. Yeah. Because? Well, I just thought 2520 02:28:28,380 --> 02:28:29,760 that that's what they were doing. I mean, I thought that 2521 02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:33,150 that was the I thought everybody knew that. And so I gotta say, I 2522 02:28:33,150 --> 02:28:35,790 am surprised that there is such a high level of shock. Some of 2523 02:28:35,790 --> 02:28:37,590 the shock, I think it's fake, right. So like foreign 2524 02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:39,690 governments getting all upset. Like I think that's for domestic 2525 02:28:39,690 --> 02:28:42,210 political consumption. I think the Germans knew full well what 2526 02:28:42,210 --> 02:28:44,010 was happening, the Brits knew full well, what was happening. 2527 02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:47,160 The Russians knew full well what was happening. And of course, 2528 02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:49,860 they do either many, or all the same things themselves. Here it 2529 02:28:49,860 --> 02:28:51,840 comes. I think there's no question though, that a lot of 2530 02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:53,370 Americans were very surprised. 2531 02:28:53,550 --> 02:28:58,230 And its implications out here. visa vie, trying to do business 2532 02:28:58,260 --> 02:28:59,100 abroad. Yeah, 2533 02:28:59,130 --> 02:29:02,700 very serious and very worrying. And I would say in two 2534 02:29:02,700 --> 02:29:06,180 categories. So first is just American technology companies 2535 02:29:06,390 --> 02:29:08,490 get a huge amount of revenue from outside the US. In fact, 2536 02:29:08,490 --> 02:29:10,980 some of these companies get up to 70% revenue outside of the 2537 02:29:10,980 --> 02:29:13,590 US. And there's a big open question, right now, how 2538 02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:15,450 successful our companies will be when they go sell products 2539 02:29:15,450 --> 02:29:18,150 overseas. And I think there's a lot of foreign countries that 2540 02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:21,150 are very envious of Silicon Valley and Americans dumb 2541 02:29:21,180 --> 02:29:24,030 domination of tech and wish that they could implement 2542 02:29:24,390 --> 02:29:26,760 protectionist policies. And they're going to use this whole 2543 02:29:26,790 --> 02:29:29,490 affair as a reason to do that. And I think that's an excuse. 2544 02:29:29,490 --> 02:29:30,720 That's an excuse as an excuse. 2545 02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:34,290 What should President Obama do? And you have been very critical 2546 02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:34,830 of him. 2547 02:29:35,070 --> 02:29:37,080 Well, that's that's the big issue is right now, as far as I 2548 02:29:37,080 --> 02:29:40,200 can tell, there's no plan. There's no plan. There's no 2549 02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:42,570 strategy. There's no tactics. There's no nothing like the 2550 02:29:42,570 --> 02:29:46,260 Snowden reveals. Just keep coming out. The administration 2551 02:29:46,260 --> 02:29:48,780 is just letting they're letting the NSA I think hang out to dry. 2552 02:29:48,780 --> 02:29:50,700 I think they're letting American tech industry hang out to dry. 2553 02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:53,250 Like I don't I've not met anybody in American technology 2554 02:29:53,250 --> 02:29:55,410 industry who feels like the White House has a plan. It's 2555 02:29:55,410 --> 02:29:55,920 just happening. 2556 02:29:56,010 --> 02:29:58,830 I think it's about time. It's about time y'all got knocked 2557 02:29:58,830 --> 02:30:03,090 down a few pegs. With your business model that is sketchy 2558 02:30:03,090 --> 02:30:06,990 at best, it's time. That's why I like most of what Apple does, 2559 02:30:06,990 --> 02:30:10,350 because they just charge you a lot of money. Yeah, we'll charge 2560 02:30:10,350 --> 02:30:12,150 you a lot of money. And then this is our model, we're not 2561 02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:14,340 really, you know, they may have shit built in the back end, or 2562 02:30:14,340 --> 02:30:17,370 what I don't know what they have to do, since Steve died and all 2563 02:30:17,370 --> 02:30:22,320 cards off the table. But in general, I think apples and bar 2564 02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:26,610 business is to sell you expensive stuff. And now they're 2565 02:30:26,610 --> 02:30:30,210 trying to build in some other things, whatever. But here is 2566 02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:34,650 Marc Andreessen is nightmare. This is the nightmare, because 2567 02:30:34,770 --> 02:30:39,630 kids are figuring this out. And they're figuring it out in two 2568 02:30:39,630 --> 02:30:43,530 steps. One, they they, they learn about the NSA, and the 2569 02:30:43,530 --> 02:30:46,350 spying and what's legal and what's not legal. And then the 2570 02:30:46,350 --> 02:30:49,050 logical conclusion is now hold on a second, this is happening 2571 02:30:49,080 --> 02:30:51,600 through these companies, and they've given it away, and, oh, 2572 02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:54,450 we have to give it away. And then one day, they might wake up 2573 02:30:54,450 --> 02:30:59,940 and say, Hey, I could run my own mail server. I don't have to use 2574 02:30:59,940 --> 02:31:07,530 Gmail, what a concept. Here is a teen caught on video, talking to 2575 02:31:07,560 --> 02:31:12,930 Nancy Pelosi. And she is not prepared to answer these 2576 02:31:12,930 --> 02:31:13,650 questions. 2577 02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:17,490 Why do you support the NSA illegal and ubiquitous data 2578 02:31:17,490 --> 02:31:18,150 collection? 2579 02:31:18,420 --> 02:31:20,400 And this is one of these tours, you know, where they'll come 2580 02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:23,520 look at my office and you know, and awesome, that's good. Why do 2581 02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:25,440 you support the NSA is illegal spying? 2582 02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:30,960 Well, I do know, I had questions about the metadata collection 2583 02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:34,950 that they were collecting, unless they had a reason to do 2584 02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:39,900 so. So I found I was wondering, I didn't support and support 2585 02:31:39,900 --> 02:31:43,410 Amash, that resolution. I didn't think that was the appropriate 2586 02:31:43,410 --> 02:31:48,720 resolution. But I do think that the burden is on this, the 2587 02:31:48,750 --> 02:31:51,510 department and I have fought them for years on the community 2588 02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:55,500 for them for years, on a wide swath that they have put out 2589 02:31:55,500 --> 02:31:56,640 there, you did 2590 02:31:56,670 --> 02:31:59,670 vote for a bill to continue funding for the NSA though. 2591 02:32:01,650 --> 02:32:03,780 It was just one of those Breitbart kids or something like 2592 02:32:03,780 --> 02:32:06,120 hey, go ask these questions. It's good. 2593 02:32:08,490 --> 02:32:10,620 National Security Agency, they do men in 2594 02:32:12,450 --> 02:32:14,490 violation of the Fourth Amendment know 2595 02:32:14,760 --> 02:32:18,240 some of what they should, what they do should be subjected to 2596 02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:21,780 scrutiny and some of the things but they perform many other 2597 02:32:21,780 --> 02:32:26,520 functions, as well. And we hold them to a high order. And I've 2598 02:32:26,520 --> 02:32:30,030 had my biggest fight here than in the intelligence community 2599 02:32:30,030 --> 02:32:33,660 with the director of the NSA. Hayden when he was the director. 2600 02:32:33,660 --> 02:32:36,930 I don't think he was on the level with us. But that doesn't 2601 02:32:36,930 --> 02:32:40,710 mean that there aren't other things that are there that are 2602 02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:44,520 that are good things that are that are necessary for us to 2603 02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:49,950 have. But from 911 on the Bush administration went too far. Oh, 2604 02:32:49,950 --> 02:32:50,280 yes. 2605 02:32:50,310 --> 02:32:51,900 It's the Bush administration. Of 2606 02:32:51,900 --> 02:32:53,910 course, blame it on bush. 2607 02:32:55,020 --> 02:32:59,550 We had correspondence back and forth to prove or to demonstrate 2608 02:32:59,550 --> 02:33:02,490 that. They were just say, 2609 02:33:02,940 --> 02:33:06,150 alright, so she says, I don't really have an answer. But she 2610 02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:11,370 leads us into our next topic, which is the brand new director 2611 02:33:11,370 --> 02:33:15,210 of the NSA. We have not really seen him in public. Admiral Mike 2612 02:33:15,210 --> 02:33:19,260 Rogers. Interesting. His name is Mike Rogers. Yeah, I know. I 2613 02:33:19,260 --> 02:33:25,680 like that. And if he he's either on Coke, Adderall, or both. It 2614 02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:30,060 looks like also like it hasn't slept in five years. And he's 2615 02:33:30,060 --> 02:33:34,590 jumpy, and he's, and he is invited on and it's interesting 2616 02:33:34,590 --> 02:33:41,910 that this was on C span. A forum moderated by Bloomberg. And I 2617 02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:47,370 was actually I liked this a lot. The girl who was doing this 2618 02:33:47,370 --> 02:33:51,270 moderation, the young woman I should say, what's going to 2619 02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:52,560 Trish rate Regan? 2620 02:33:53,190 --> 02:33:56,370 Oh, Trish. Yeah. I used to work at work. She used to be a 2621 02:33:56,370 --> 02:33:58,920 regular market watch. Well, first of all, 2622 02:33:59,160 --> 02:34:04,770 she she is. I mean, this is if we were putting together a 2623 02:34:04,770 --> 02:34:07,500 television channel, she would be number one. 2624 02:34:08,340 --> 02:34:10,560 She's very good. She's fantastic 2625 02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:10,710 at 2626 02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:13,620 CNBC, and then she moved on. And she was 2627 02:34:13,620 --> 02:34:17,190 CBS. She was at the CBS Evening News, I guess, and contributed 2628 02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:20,340 to Face The Nation. And now she's a Bloomberg. I mean, she 2629 02:34:20,370 --> 02:34:21,660 must have done something wrong. 2630 02:34:22,590 --> 02:34:25,260 Because she'd done AI you know, they gave her her own show at 2631 02:34:25,260 --> 02:34:30,150 Bloomberg. Yeah. And and I used to try to watch it. But every 2632 02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:32,940 time I tuned into it, she was never on the show. It was sort 2633 02:34:32,940 --> 02:34:36,300 of guy so I think she went over to she got a good deal went to 2634 02:34:36,300 --> 02:34:40,350 Bloomberg naively. And then I think they they fucked with her 2635 02:34:40,350 --> 02:34:42,060 because I don't know why. 2636 02:34:42,210 --> 02:34:45,720 Well, she handled herself really well with it because there was a 2637 02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:50,280 whole bunch of people she was interviewing on stage and I have 2638 02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:54,330 to point out smokin hot am she plays it well, she got the you 2639 02:34:54,330 --> 02:34:58,110 got the skirt on and everything to lots of leg, which probably 2640 02:34:58,110 --> 02:35:00,870 made the admiral nervous because you These guys Yeah. And he's in 2641 02:35:00,870 --> 02:35:05,280 his uniform. And he's actually in an admiral uniform. This is 2642 02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:09,900 the thing that gets me. So he's like a sailor. It's all white. 2643 02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:13,800 What he's doing is he's wearing his dress row. Why? Yes, yes, 2644 02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:16,800 his wife was, there was an award ceremony? 2645 02:35:17,970 --> 02:35:20,550 Well, I don't know, he's raised whites, and he's got his braids 2646 02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:23,070 and everything, and the whole thing is decked out and good to 2647 02:35:23,070 --> 02:35:27,390 go. And I pulled two clips from this. Just to give you a little 2648 02:35:27,390 --> 02:35:32,100 bit of a feel about what our new director of the NSA is about. 2649 02:35:32,460 --> 02:35:35,910 This is his take on Snowden and the law. 2650 02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:39,180 I spoke with your predecessor, Keith Alexander, just yesterday 2651 02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:43,470 on the phone. And he expressed the concern that he thought Ed 2652 02:35:43,470 --> 02:35:47,520 Snowden was at some point, it's a question of when working for 2653 02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:51,660 someone else. Possibly the Russians, he might be working 2654 02:35:51,660 --> 02:35:54,120 for them right now. I mean, do you think that's a theory, 2655 02:35:54,420 --> 02:35:55,980 that's important to explore? 2656 02:35:56,970 --> 02:35:59,670 Clearly, we're gonna need to run it on the ground, you know, my 2657 02:35:59,670 --> 02:36:03,420 coma would be be part of the dialogue, if you believe in 2658 02:36:03,420 --> 02:36:08,190 this, use the power of the law, and the structures of our 2659 02:36:08,190 --> 02:36:13,590 society to make your case? The answer is not for any one of us 2660 02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:17,640 to unilaterally decide that I'm the All Knowing Oracle, who 2661 02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:21,210 knows everything that I'm in the best position to decide what is 2662 02:36:21,210 --> 02:36:25,680 right or wrong. Be leery of a society in which everyone 2663 02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:26,880 unilaterally can do that. 2664 02:36:27,449 --> 02:36:31,349 Wait a minute. Isn't that the whole point? That anybody can 2665 02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:35,369 say, Hold on a second, this is wrong. He's saying Be leery of a 2666 02:36:35,369 --> 02:36:38,639 society. Hmm. What's he talking about? 2667 02:36:39,150 --> 02:36:42,090 The law, the quote, the Constitution, that document 2668 02:36:42,090 --> 02:36:45,570 provides a framework for us as to how we're going to organise 2669 02:36:45,570 --> 02:36:48,630 as a government, as well as how we're going to settle disputes 2670 02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:50,400 through this framework we call the law. 2671 02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:58,530 I'm not quite sure what he's saying here. But something 2672 02:36:58,530 --> 02:37:01,440 constitution, which means shut up about everything else. 2673 02:37:02,610 --> 02:37:06,630 And I urge all of us as citizens to use that framework. If 2674 02:37:06,630 --> 02:37:10,560 there's something that you feel strongly about, make your case 2675 02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:13,710 make an argument articulated 2676 02:37:13,710 --> 02:37:16,260 jail if you do that this would happen to the all the NSA 2677 02:37:16,260 --> 02:37:17,130 whistleblowers 2678 02:37:17,130 --> 02:37:21,750 exactly the point but he has, he wants to read a different 2679 02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:23,160 document or something I don't know. 2680 02:37:23,220 --> 02:37:25,410 Because maybe he doesn't know who he's talking. She's talking 2681 02:37:25,410 --> 02:37:26,610 about Boeing about. 2682 02:37:26,850 --> 02:37:31,260 Make Your Case, make an argument. articulate your 2683 02:37:31,260 --> 02:37:34,650 viewpoint is nuts, like do it within the framework that we all 2684 02:37:34,650 --> 02:37:37,980 have to use if we're going to exist as a society, if we're 2685 02:37:37,980 --> 02:37:42,780 going to function as a nation. Be aware of the chaos associated 2686 02:37:42,780 --> 02:37:45,450 with all of us unilaterally deciding what we want to do, 2687 02:37:45,450 --> 02:37:48,210 what we don't want to do, what laws we're going to obey what 2688 02:37:48,210 --> 02:37:52,530 laws we're going to choose to disobey. That just comes across 2689 02:37:52,530 --> 02:37:57,990 to me as incredibly arrogant saps slave. This guy is 2690 02:37:58,020 --> 02:38:02,490 really weird. Let me just play one thing in the middle of 2691 02:38:02,490 --> 02:38:06,180 wishes a bunch of the NSA whistleblowers who were Binney 2692 02:38:06,180 --> 02:38:08,340 and all these other guys that we've heard about, we've heard 2693 02:38:08,340 --> 02:38:11,040 from that said, don't talk to the FBI. They make your life 2694 02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:13,800 miserable if you try going through channels to do 2695 02:38:13,800 --> 02:38:16,890 whistleblowing, which is advocating and Obama does the 2696 02:38:16,890 --> 02:38:18,870 same thing. He says the same thing and these guys have all 2697 02:38:18,870 --> 02:38:21,900 gotten screwed who tried to do it? They brought up this read 2698 02:38:21,900 --> 02:38:22,860 the clip is hidden. 2699 02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:36,900 Oops. Did I lose you? John? Hello. Oh, no. John Claude, you 2700 02:38:36,900 --> 02:38:45,660 have made a canard. Ah, actually, that sounded like a 2701 02:38:45,660 --> 02:38:49,680 power outage on his end to be quite honest. But what I will do 2702 02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:53,370 is I will play his clip, hidden government and hopefully he'll 2703 02:38:53,370 --> 02:38:56,010 come back by the time we're done. That is to shut us up. 2704 02:38:56,040 --> 02:39:00,060 They took our computers anything written notes, any records that 2705 02:39:00,060 --> 02:39:03,420 we had in hopes of finding something that they could use 2706 02:39:03,420 --> 02:39:04,260 against us 2707 02:39:04,769 --> 02:39:09,209 the to resign from the NSA, but say the retaliation continued as 2708 02:39:09,209 --> 02:39:12,329 high level security contractors each time they were hired by a 2709 02:39:12,359 --> 02:39:15,809 government agency. They said their contracts were terminated. 2710 02:39:16,139 --> 02:39:18,989 It was years before Edward Snowden provided proof through 2711 02:39:18,989 --> 02:39:22,139 leaked documents. The US government was conducting mass 2712 02:39:22,139 --> 02:39:26,579 surveillance on ordinary Americans we are at a severe 2713 02:39:26,579 --> 02:39:30,239 crisis point process of the pair is now part of a group launching 2714 02:39:30,239 --> 02:39:35,639 a website exposed facts.org Its aim is to shed light on hidden 2715 02:39:35,639 --> 02:39:36,869 government activity. 2716 02:39:39,480 --> 02:39:46,080 And we definitely didn't get him back that yeah, 2717 02:39:46,650 --> 02:39:47,490 that was weird. 2718 02:39:47,609 --> 02:39:48,719 I just finished the clip. 2719 02:39:51,030 --> 02:39:54,600 Yeah, they're getting government. Yeah. Yeah. Did you 2720 02:39:54,600 --> 02:39:56,070 just you can't be knows Yeah, 2721 02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:57,120 nobody, you can't do it. 2722 02:39:57,960 --> 02:40:00,990 Nobody knows anything about this either. But That's the hidden 2723 02:40:00,990 --> 02:40:03,570 government.org That sort of site if you're a whistleblower want 2724 02:40:03,570 --> 02:40:07,110 to be one, you're probably better off going through them 2725 02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:09,990 than you are going through any of these channels. 2726 02:40:11,910 --> 02:40:15,330 And then we have one more clip of Admiral Mike Rogers, where 2727 02:40:15,330 --> 02:40:18,540 you can hear him lying. This is always fun and made you kind of 2728 02:40:18,540 --> 02:40:21,390 got to watch this guy's if you see him, you'll see it's got big 2729 02:40:21,390 --> 02:40:25,590 dark circles under his eyes. And it's heads going from left to 2730 02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:29,460 right. And he's drugged, not something he's just speedy and 2731 02:40:30,930 --> 02:40:33,300 hard to explain. But he doesn't come across as a stately 2732 02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:37,770 military guy in his whites at all. And so here we have Tricia, 2733 02:40:37,800 --> 02:40:41,250 Trish die with them. If you ever die, I'm getting her on the 2734 02:40:41,250 --> 02:40:41,700 show. 2735 02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:45,330 Sorry, if you didn't know she was the one who was the host of 2736 02:40:45,330 --> 02:40:49,590 the marijuana special that they did on CNBC. I don't care. I'm 2737 02:40:49,590 --> 02:40:50,220 just saying she'll look 2738 02:40:50,220 --> 02:40:58,680 great on the album art. crackpot and hottie. And she pushes, 2739 02:40:58,710 --> 02:41:01,950 although, unfortunately, she goes she leads the witness, 2740 02:41:01,950 --> 02:41:04,710 which is something I hate doing. I hate to seeing someone do 2741 02:41:04,710 --> 02:41:07,260 especially if her stature. I don't feel she needed to do 2742 02:41:07,260 --> 02:41:10,020 this. You'll hear it in the clip about the facial recognition, 2743 02:41:10,020 --> 02:41:15,090 which was exposed by our friend portress in the New York Times, 2744 02:41:15,090 --> 02:41:19,200 although I'm not quite sure what she was really exposed. But the 2745 02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:24,960 inference was the NSA slurps up images all day long, and throws 2746 02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:27,960 them through the facial recognition system, which I will 2747 02:41:27,960 --> 02:41:32,490 point out Google slurps up images all day long. They host 2748 02:41:32,490 --> 02:41:39,210 copies of images on their image search. And Facebook. AI has 2749 02:41:39,210 --> 02:41:43,200 facial recognition working as we speak, Mickey uploads a picture 2750 02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:47,310 of me, it automatically tagged me in the picture. 2751 02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:49,800 Another good reason not to use Facebook, 2752 02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:53,640 I'm hating this and I'm I'm actually I'd say Mickey please, 2753 02:41:53,970 --> 02:41:56,010 no more I don't want to be I just don't want to be uploaded 2754 02:41:56,010 --> 02:41:59,610 anymore. There's just no it's Screw this. That's really 2755 02:41:59,610 --> 02:42:02,730 frightening. Anyway, so Trisha is going to talk about this very 2756 02:42:02,730 --> 02:42:05,730 topic. And she she leaves the witness and gets the expected 2757 02:42:05,730 --> 02:42:07,170 answer, although the lie is apparent. 2758 02:42:07,380 --> 02:42:10,710 So let me ask you about new reports that show the NSA is 2759 02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:14,070 using facial recognition technology to monitor people. 2760 02:42:14,430 --> 02:42:16,050 How does a programme like that work? 2761 02:42:16,320 --> 02:42:19,620 We use fabled facial recognition as a fable, 2762 02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:23,280 fable recognition. I know he did to help us 2763 02:42:23,310 --> 02:42:26,130 understand these foreign intelligence targets we work. 2764 02:42:26,610 --> 02:42:29,670 Counter Terrorism is another big area, this is probably had more 2765 02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:33,120 impact for us in the counterterrorism arena than 2766 02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:37,350 anywhere else. So it's a big deal where we see entities 2767 02:42:37,560 --> 02:42:41,160 through our signals intelligence capabilities. And we will know 2768 02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:45,570 them digitally, if you will. But we want to see if we can try to 2769 02:42:45,570 --> 02:42:49,890 understand them more broadly, to help our enable our broader 2770 02:42:49,890 --> 02:42:53,910 efforts to bring them to justice and to forestall their ability 2771 02:42:53,910 --> 02:42:58,020 to conduct attacks against ourselves and our allies. And 2772 02:42:58,050 --> 02:43:01,530 friends. In other words, yeah, we use fake facial recognition 2773 02:43:01,530 --> 02:43:04,410 everywhere. To track people 2774 02:43:04,440 --> 02:43:05,460 in the world around us. 2775 02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:07,620 What is he talking about bringing them to justice? If 2776 02:43:07,620 --> 02:43:09,600 they committed a crime? Why don't they go just go out and 2777 02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:10,140 arrest them? 2778 02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:13,470 Because it's a made up it's made up in them to 2779 02:43:13,470 --> 02:43:14,250 justice that 2780 02:43:14,250 --> 02:43:16,200 was just made up, man undo it. It's all 2781 02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:20,310 their ability to conduct attacks against ourselves and our allies 2782 02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:25,410 and friends and the world around us. We do not if I could just 2783 02:43:25,410 --> 02:43:27,990 one thing Shut up. We Trish, 2784 02:43:28,410 --> 02:43:32,730 Trish. I never lie, though. I'm suspicious. Now. Trish? 2785 02:43:33,480 --> 02:43:38,310 We do not do this in some unilateral basis against US 2786 02:43:38,340 --> 02:43:44,700 citizens. We do access stereo at one point I saw someone say, 2787 02:43:44,700 --> 02:43:47,910 well, they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles. 2788 02:43:48,270 --> 02:43:48,780 You don't? 2789 02:43:50,610 --> 02:43:54,540 Trish really? You didn't have to do that. Why are you defending 2790 02:43:54,540 --> 02:43:56,700 the NSA? I liked you so much. 2791 02:43:56,730 --> 02:43:58,980 Did you notice his wording? Oh, yeah, no, it's 2792 02:43:58,980 --> 02:44:01,260 gonna get better. It's gonna get better with the word and gets 2793 02:44:01,290 --> 02:44:02,550 even better citizens. 2794 02:44:03,060 --> 02:44:08,550 We do access. Estelle at one point I saw someone say, well, 2795 02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:11,460 they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles. 2796 02:44:11,820 --> 02:44:16,920 You don't Don't? Don't I'm like, No, we don't do that. We have 2797 02:44:16,920 --> 02:44:20,940 very specific restrictions when it comes to us persons. We have 2798 02:44:20,940 --> 02:44:22,650 to operate under a legal 2799 02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:25,350 framework, but you don't have access to driver's licence, you 2800 02:44:25,350 --> 02:44:32,010 don't have access to passport photos. You would would have 2801 02:44:32,010 --> 02:44:33,540 access to some of those things. I 2802 02:44:33,540 --> 02:44:35,610 mean, when we're talking about for US persons 2803 02:44:35,640 --> 02:44:39,150 we're talking about for USPS he has to say three times we're 2804 02:44:39,150 --> 02:44:41,370 talking about for US persons but for US persons right for us 2805 02:44:41,370 --> 02:44:45,630 persons right. In other words, yeah, they have access to the 2806 02:44:45,630 --> 02:44:50,010 DMV and the passport pictures. They just saying we don't use 2807 02:44:50,010 --> 02:44:53,130 them against US persons without permission, but they have total 2808 02:44:53,130 --> 02:44:53,640 access. 2809 02:44:55,500 --> 02:44:59,880 I think they I think the most still the best phrases used is 2810 02:44:59,880 --> 02:45:05,070 we You do not do this on a unilateral basis? Yes. And that 2811 02:45:05,070 --> 02:45:10,560 means he's in, you know, in bed with Facebook, Google, or 2812 02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:13,890 whoever else has a huge cache of photos and pictures. What is 2813 02:45:13,890 --> 02:45:14,100 that? 2814 02:45:14,130 --> 02:45:17,310 What does he explain to me the exact meaning of unilateral 2815 02:45:17,310 --> 02:45:17,940 basis, 2816 02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:21,180 that means we're doing it on our own. We're doing it by 2817 02:45:21,180 --> 02:45:24,390 ourselves. We're not hey, we're we're unilaterally means you're 2818 02:45:24,510 --> 02:45:28,530 unilateral. I'm just gonna do this. Screw any my partners or 2819 02:45:28,530 --> 02:45:33,120 anybody's I'm doing it. And if you're not unilateral, that 2820 02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:35,310 means you're multilateral, meaning you have other people 2821 02:45:35,310 --> 02:45:36,750 involved in the process. 2822 02:45:37,199 --> 02:45:40,139 And it would only make sense seeing as the director of FBI 2823 02:45:40,139 --> 02:45:44,129 has an office at Facebook, right? You know, that these 2824 02:45:44,129 --> 02:45:44,429 guys, 2825 02:45:44,730 --> 02:45:47,850 anytime somebody uses the word unilateral, as they're, as 2826 02:45:47,850 --> 02:45:51,030 they're out there, then there that's, that's a scam, let's 2827 02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:51,240 back 2828 02:45:51,240 --> 02:45:52,590 it up a little to that again, and the 2829 02:45:52,590 --> 02:45:56,490 world around. You do not if I could just finish one thing, 2830 02:45:56,490 --> 02:46:02,100 Trish, we do not do this in some unilateral basis against US 2831 02:46:02,130 --> 02:46:02,820 citizens. 2832 02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:06,990 Which means we do it in a multilateral basis against US 2833 02:46:06,990 --> 02:46:11,160 citizens. By having our partners Marc Andreessen funded companies 2834 02:46:11,220 --> 02:46:15,450 like Facebook and Google and Uber and whatever else they're 2835 02:46:15,450 --> 02:46:19,980 into. This is the connection that people have to start 2836 02:46:19,980 --> 02:46:21,720 making. This is the connection people. 2837 02:46:23,370 --> 02:46:27,900 Access. Estelle, at one point, I saw someone say, well, they must 2838 02:46:27,900 --> 02:46:33,720 be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles. You don't? I'm like, 2839 02:46:33,750 --> 02:46:37,680 No, we don't do that. We have very specific restrictions when 2840 02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:41,640 it comes to us persons. We have to operate under a legal 2841 02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:42,300 framework. 2842 02:46:42,900 --> 02:46:45,150 We have access to driver's licence, you don't have access 2843 02:46:45,150 --> 02:46:51,990 to passport photos. You wouldn't would have access to some of 2844 02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:52,980 those things. I mean, what 2845 02:46:53,100 --> 02:46:55,890 we're talking about for US persons do this for 2846 02:46:55,890 --> 02:46:59,430 us. Why is she saying Correct? Trish versus 2847 02:46:59,460 --> 02:47:04,140 again, why our mission is as the NSA is very explicit. Foreign 2848 02:47:04,140 --> 02:47:07,800 intelligence and information assurance, foreign intelligence, 2849 02:47:08,580 --> 02:47:12,660 connected, we have to do anything involving a US person, 2850 02:47:12,660 --> 02:47:16,290 we have specific legal constraints we must comply with. 2851 02:47:16,590 --> 02:47:20,610 We just don't unilaterally decide, Hey, today, I'm going to 2852 02:47:20,610 --> 02:47:25,290 go after Citizen X, Y or Z. We don't do that. We can't legally 2853 02:47:25,320 --> 02:47:25,890 do that. 2854 02:47:26,040 --> 02:47:30,180 But there are people that you know, you wanted to target 2855 02:47:30,210 --> 02:47:33,000 in the dip. Let me finish one thought before I forget. And 2856 02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:36,810 we'll get shut up. Clearly, in the digital age, we will 2857 02:47:36,810 --> 02:47:40,440 encounter American persons in the wilderness out there so to 2858 02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:42,540 speak. Hey, 2859 02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:46,500 hey, I'm an American person out here in the wilderness. I hope 2860 02:47:46,500 --> 02:47:47,130 you don't bump into 2861 02:47:47,850 --> 02:47:52,110 this guy is real old school navy. Oh, yeah. I mean, the Navy 2862 02:47:52,110 --> 02:47:55,350 guys, the commanders, the ship captains, there's a whole group 2863 02:47:55,350 --> 02:47:57,690 of them. They're the Navy elites, the ones who are in 2864 02:47:57,720 --> 02:48:00,900 position commander, because you can be an admiral but not be in 2865 02:48:00,900 --> 02:48:05,760 command position. And these guys are, I just told this when I was 2866 02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:07,920 working for the air pollution district, we used to go from 2867 02:48:07,920 --> 02:48:12,780 ship to ship to give these guys tickets, and for blowing their 2868 02:48:12,780 --> 02:48:18,990 smoke out of their stacks. So to speak. And they got you go in 2869 02:48:18,990 --> 02:48:21,480 there and you meet the captain is usually a commander or maybe 2870 02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:26,130 sometimes captain in rank. And I was told this by the some of the 2871 02:48:26,130 --> 02:48:29,280 ex Navy guys that worked at the district after my first 2872 02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:33,000 experience. And they said this guys are the most arrogant 2873 02:48:33,150 --> 02:48:38,850 pricks. You have ever run into these guys that are in this in 2874 02:48:38,850 --> 02:48:41,550 the certain command positions in the Navy, they have a certain 2875 02:48:41,550 --> 02:48:46,110 quality about them. That is just what this guy is exuding kind of 2876 02:48:46,110 --> 02:48:51,060 an arrogant prick that you just hear it coming out of him. It's 2877 02:48:51,060 --> 02:48:52,890 just he's trying to have a conversation. 2878 02:48:52,920 --> 02:48:55,260 Yeah. And American citizens, you might encounter them in the 2879 02:48:55,260 --> 02:48:59,520 wild. You know, there's only 300 million of us and we might 2880 02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:01,500 encounter them in the wild, so to speak, 2881 02:49:01,529 --> 02:49:05,249 we have specific restrictions about what happens once we do 2882 02:49:05,249 --> 02:49:09,449 encounter US persons. In broad terms, we got to stop what we're 2883 02:49:09,449 --> 02:49:09,839 doing 2884 02:49:09,900 --> 02:49:15,450 in broad terms. That's actually a very narrow term. But okay, 2885 02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,210 if we come to the realisation that somebody that we're 2886 02:49:18,210 --> 02:49:21,240 monitoring that we're tracking is a US connection that we were 2887 02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:25,860 unaware of, in broad terms, we have to stop what we're doing. 2888 02:49:26,370 --> 02:49:29,730 We have to assess the situation. And if we think there's a legal 2889 02:49:29,730 --> 02:49:33,180 basis to this, then we have to get a legal authority or 2890 02:49:33,180 --> 02:49:36,360 justification to continue legal justification. 2891 02:49:36,390 --> 02:49:40,350 Yeah, this is the same bullcrap we've been hearing from the 2892 02:49:40,350 --> 02:49:42,930 beginning he's just somehow I guess he's up did he they're 2893 02:49:42,930 --> 02:49:45,600 testing to see if he's up to speed with his I don't think 2894 02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:47,790 he's gonna last John. I don't think this is gonna He's gonna 2895 02:49:47,790 --> 02:49:49,680 mess it up. Something's gonna it's not gonna 2896 02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:52,650 last as arrogant as it sounds like he is he's not gonna last 2897 02:49:52,650 --> 02:49:55,980 because he's gonna act the same way. You know, you can do it 2898 02:49:55,980 --> 02:49:59,040 with Treasury, Reagan or anybody, any reporter you can 2899 02:49:59,040 --> 02:50:03,510 act like a jerk. But if he goes in front of Congress at least 2900 02:50:03,570 --> 02:50:06,210 these these other characters in front of Congress are reticent 2901 02:50:06,210 --> 02:50:09,030 you know, they shouldn't be on Valium. If this guy goes in 2902 02:50:09,030 --> 02:50:11,400 front of Congress and starts talking like this in front of 2903 02:50:11,400 --> 02:50:12,240 John McCain. 2904 02:50:12,270 --> 02:50:14,700 They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna eat him alive. 2905 02:50:15,239 --> 02:50:18,749 They're gonna kill him. Yeah, they're gonna just go on and on 2906 02:50:18,749 --> 02:50:21,239 and on. It's gonna be very it's gonna be ugly. It'd be great for 2907 02:50:21,239 --> 02:50:24,869 us. But ya know, this guy you might you might be right out I 2908 02:50:24,869 --> 02:50:27,299 think he has. He has the chops for it. He doesn't know how to 2909 02:50:27,299 --> 02:50:32,009 back off is because is kind of brazen, arrogant, arrogant 2910 02:50:32,009 --> 02:50:35,099 quality. It's ludicrous. It just comes right through the clip 2911 02:50:36,450 --> 02:50:40,290 and I like Trish so much but once he started leading him on 2912 02:50:40,290 --> 02:50:42,150 well then you don't even have that you can do that. No, you 2913 02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:44,430 don't have the right commitment and I trash 2914 02:50:45,690 --> 02:50:48,720 so cherish love affair is over you 2915 02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:49,590 know a Cheryl. 2916 02:50:50,400 --> 02:50:52,530 I don't know a Cheryl Cheryl Atkinson. 2917 02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:53,310 at 2918 02:50:53,340 --> 02:50:54,810 ABC. Maybe 2919 02:50:55,110 --> 02:50:58,920 she's the she's the the journalist that quit CBS, CBS I 2920 02:50:58,920 --> 02:51:03,420 think I'd have to look. Yeah, no, she so she quit CBS. He said 2921 02:51:03,780 --> 02:51:09,030 I wasn't allowed to do my stories. And she, yeah, 2922 02:51:09,390 --> 02:51:10,710 she's I don't know her. 2923 02:51:11,580 --> 02:51:15,780 Well, she's, she's older. So she's more MILFy 2924 02:51:16,920 --> 02:51:19,590 I love this woman. Yeah, this one. Yeah, I've always liked 2925 02:51:19,590 --> 02:51:19,920 her. 2926 02:51:19,980 --> 02:51:23,460 Me too. And I think I like her even more, although she now is 2927 02:51:23,460 --> 02:51:29,700 doing something for let me see some organisation. Hold on. I 2928 02:51:29,700 --> 02:51:36,300 wrote it down, which I like Oh, no. It's about I'll tell you 2929 02:51:36,300 --> 02:51:40,890 what it is here. It was she was interviewed. Because she's she 2930 02:51:40,890 --> 02:51:44,310 has a book coming out. Yes. She was on Florida girl. CBSE Is she 2931 02:51:44,310 --> 02:51:47,910 a Florida girl? Yeah, born in Florida. Then she came to the 2932 02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:50,310 rank. She she really she worked hard to get to where she was. 2933 02:51:50,310 --> 02:51:53,610 And she's she's very, she's also a third third degree black belt 2934 02:51:53,610 --> 02:51:58,020 in Taekwondo. I like a woman that can kick my ass and break 2935 02:51:58,020 --> 02:52:02,520 my break my neck. Here. She's being interviewed about her 2936 02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:07,020 book, and heard where she wants her career to take her. And 2937 02:52:07,050 --> 02:52:08,130 listen to this one minute. 2938 02:52:08,190 --> 02:52:11,430 What I hope to do with stonewalled is explained to the 2939 02:52:11,430 --> 02:52:16,410 public how images that they see every day, not just on the news, 2940 02:52:16,410 --> 02:52:19,620 but including in the news, but on social media, on television 2941 02:52:19,620 --> 02:52:24,090 on billboards, how these images are manipulated in covert and 2942 02:52:24,090 --> 02:52:28,320 surreptitious ways by political forces and financially backed 2943 02:52:28,320 --> 02:52:32,160 forces that they have no idea about. If you can become savvy 2944 02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:35,850 to this manipulation, and sometimes outright propaganda, 2945 02:52:36,030 --> 02:52:38,910 you can learn to recognise it and sort of filter through it, 2946 02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:41,370 which I think helps people make up their own mind about what's 2947 02:52:41,370 --> 02:52:45,690 really going on in the world. No movement in Washington, DC to 2948 02:52:45,720 --> 02:52:48,420 affect public opinion in ways other than direct lobbying 2949 02:52:48,420 --> 02:52:50,790 people know about campaign lobbying contributions given 2950 02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:54,120 directly to members of Congress. Now there's a whole industry set 2951 02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:57,240 up around manipulating public opinion or swaying public 2952 02:52:57,240 --> 02:53:00,960 opinion in other ways through social media, maybe setting up 2953 02:53:01,170 --> 02:53:04,140 blind accounts or accounts through pseudonyms through 2954 02:53:04,320 --> 02:53:08,850 editing Wikipedia in certain ways through posting on Twitter 2955 02:53:08,850 --> 02:53:12,300 and Facebook, there are all kinds of ways that people's 2956 02:53:12,300 --> 02:53:15,150 opinions are being shaped through forces that they don't 2957 02:53:15,150 --> 02:53:17,940 know are behind the shaping of those opinions. And I really 2958 02:53:17,940 --> 02:53:20,460 think it's important that people know who's behind the efforts. 2959 02:53:21,390 --> 02:53:22,710 I like Yeah. 2960 02:53:23,730 --> 02:53:24,900 Around the money Yeah. 2961 02:53:25,470 --> 02:53:28,380 The only problem is she's now working independently part time 2962 02:53:28,380 --> 02:53:34,680 for some quasi news thing that is financed by the Heritage 2963 02:53:35,070 --> 02:53:39,900 Institute or that was good Al Jazeera written all over you 2964 02:53:39,900 --> 02:53:42,540 watch but you know as Why would if you want to be independent 2965 02:53:42,540 --> 02:53:45,270 Why go to the hair Why go to get your money from heritage? I 2966 02:53:45,270 --> 02:53:48,120 mean, isn't that completely partisan on the right? 2967 02:53:48,810 --> 02:53:55,380 Yeah, totally. I think it's Koch brothers. Serious 2968 02:53:55,410 --> 02:53:59,010 Yeah, but I was just like, why oh, that that breaks. That 2969 02:53:59,010 --> 02:54:02,070 breaks the whole thing. All of this goodness that I heard from 2970 02:54:02,070 --> 02:54:06,180 her. I just can't find the name of that outfit. The name of the 2971 02:54:06,210 --> 02:54:07,920 business pissing me off now. 2972 02:54:08,220 --> 02:54:10,560 It's not in our wiki. No, but 2973 02:54:11,490 --> 02:54:16,080 it's brand new. Oh, I know how to find it. Hold on. I know. 2974 02:54:19,230 --> 02:54:22,410 Where was it Cheryl? Cheryl Cheryl Attkisson Here we go. 2975 02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:28,740 Life after CBS linked to article here we go. Was that just a 2976 02:54:28,740 --> 02:54:37,860 YouTube video that I had the Daily Signal Oh god. I mean, 2977 02:54:37,890 --> 02:54:41,520 you're gonna leave CBS you got this great rap and go to the 2978 02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:47,220 daily let's find out the daily signal. And it's not even 2979 02:54:47,250 --> 02:54:51,510 hidden. The easier the dailies single Heritage Foundation seeks 2980 02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:56,220 new site. New Site seeks mainstream impact. Now 2981 02:54:58,530 --> 02:55:00,330 well, they got a lot of maybe they're at least In your 2982 02:55:00,870 --> 02:55:02,310 networks salary Oh, 2983 02:55:02,310 --> 02:55:04,500 I'm sure it doesn't she hasn't looked worried. I'll tell you 2984 02:55:04,500 --> 02:55:08,730 that. It Bloomberg even says the tea party gets into the news 2985 02:55:08,730 --> 02:55:11,970 biz. I mean, it's completely one sided. partisan. Why would she 2986 02:55:11,970 --> 02:55:19,110 do that? Disappointing. Disappointing. Disappointing. I 2987 02:55:19,110 --> 02:55:22,530 think I think going back to Trish, I think Trisha saveable. 2988 02:55:28,710 --> 02:55:34,800 Yeah, maybe, whatever the case. Okay. I have a few clips I'm 2989 02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:36,930 going to save for Thursday, which is 2990 02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:38,070 how about for Sunday? 2991 02:55:40,140 --> 02:55:46,170 Okay, I can move it up. Exactly. Which will be a move the 2992 02:55:46,170 --> 02:55:49,620 environmental stuff with these guys. I do have I do want to do 2993 02:55:49,620 --> 02:55:55,230 a reprise of the early discussion of, of the freeze, do 2994 02:55:55,230 --> 02:55:58,980 the First Amendment just got an amendment to amend the First 2995 02:55:58,980 --> 02:56:02,730 Amendment? Yes, I did catch this, which is, this is just a 2996 02:56:02,730 --> 02:56:05,730 little bit this is Harry Reid, again, when he's giving his 2997 02:56:06,090 --> 02:56:11,220 speech is opening. This is just the end of it. Because he says 2998 02:56:11,220 --> 02:56:14,430 something I wish I could boost it or I maybe I'll re edit it 2999 02:56:14,430 --> 02:56:20,250 and boost it. It is just this is the one read has places to go. 3000 02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:26,460 He ends up leaving the whole thing. With this lame, I got 3001 02:56:26,460 --> 02:56:30,090 places to go things to do. I just thought it hilarious. 3002 02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:33,150 I got flesh to press babies to kiss. 3003 02:56:34,080 --> 02:56:38,430 Free Speech shouldn't cost the American people a penny a dime, 3004 02:56:38,640 --> 02:56:42,390 certainly not $1. So, Mr. Chairman, members, the 3005 02:56:42,390 --> 02:56:45,660 committee, I'm happy if you have questions that you want to ask 3006 02:56:45,660 --> 02:56:52,050 me to wait, and I'm happy to do that. Otherwise, I would ask 3007 02:56:52,050 --> 02:56:56,130 your leave and I will believe places to go thank you. 3008 02:56:59,250 --> 02:57:02,550 I got places I got things to do. I got no time for you. This is 3009 02:57:02,550 --> 02:57:04,290 the go. Morons. 3010 02:57:04,380 --> 02:57:07,890 laughing when I heard that. And he left he got up and took off 3011 02:57:07,890 --> 02:57:15,270 and of course, of course. Lovely. Anyway, I think I think 3012 02:57:15,570 --> 02:57:16,860 kids everyone up to date. 3013 02:57:16,920 --> 02:57:20,160 Yeah, I think that can conclude our show. For today I'm keeping 3014 02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:25,080 track of the MERS mean, which seems to be just another version 3015 02:57:25,080 --> 02:57:29,730 of SARS. Only for Middle Easterners which is pretty much 3016 02:57:29,760 --> 02:57:33,450 I guess the same thing as what sounds like yeah, it's just what 3017 02:57:33,450 --> 02:57:36,510 200 People are dead. Okay, big deal. SARS had the same thing 3018 02:57:36,600 --> 02:57:40,110 and never panned out. Right. So I don't know what that is. 3019 02:57:40,110 --> 02:57:46,020 Exactly. I don't have my much. Oh, yes. I did want to say that. 3020 02:57:46,920 --> 02:57:51,510 You thought that Bitcoin was the beanie babies of the financial 3021 02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:55,230 crisis or the financial industry of no of this cycle. This cycle, 3022 02:57:55,260 --> 02:58:01,200 right? Yeah. So now that Halsey Miner is, is starting a Bitcoin 3023 02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:05,580 company Halsey Don't you think that means that basically the 3024 02:58:05,610 --> 02:58:06,840 the end is near? 3025 02:58:08,250 --> 02:58:09,330 Well, yeah. 3026 02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:12,540 Me too. 3027 02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:15,030 It's like the Bitcoins, the last refuge. 3028 02:58:16,500 --> 02:58:19,380 And people say like, as being accepted everywhere. Let me just 3029 02:58:19,380 --> 02:58:23,100 tell you, you're converting money buying it and you 3030 02:58:23,100 --> 02:58:26,640 converting money selling it. I don't see how it's so great just 3031 02:58:26,640 --> 02:58:32,460 yet. It's not an economy. It's wampum. It's beads, you know, 3032 02:58:32,610 --> 02:58:35,610 it's like Club Med. you're converting on the way in, you're 3033 02:58:35,610 --> 02:58:40,650 converting on the way out is worse than PayPal. But okay. 3034 02:58:41,730 --> 02:58:45,510 They're accepting it in your pub. I get it. I get it. That's 3035 02:58:45,510 --> 02:58:53,220 fine. Anyway, it's fun. Oh, it's lots of fun. We will be working 3036 02:58:53,220 --> 02:58:58,170 hard for you once again, and we'll come back on Sunday. To 3037 02:58:58,170 --> 02:59:00,510 bring you more analysis you can't get anywhere else. It is 3038 02:59:00,510 --> 02:59:03,870 part of your healthy news diet. It is not for nothing, the best 3039 02:59:03,870 --> 02:59:06,720 podcast in the universe. And coming to you from FEMA Region 3040 02:59:06,720 --> 02:59:09,030 six here in the Travis heights hideout. In the morning, 3041 02:59:09,030 --> 02:59:10,260 everybody. I'm Adam curry 3042 02:59:10,289 --> 02:59:13,799 and from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm plain and simple. 3043 02:59:13,799 --> 02:59:15,359 John C. Dvorak will be back 3044 02:59:15,360 --> 02:59:17,880 on Sunday right here on no agenda. 3045 02:59:31,980 --> 02:59:37,020 difference at this point does it make as you know, you know, in 3046 02:59:37,020 --> 02:59:41,190 Germany, you know, the trains ran on time. Sometimes fascism 3047 02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:44,190 benefits. And by the way, Ben tells me in Germany, the trains 3048 02:59:44,190 --> 02:59:48,000 never run on time. Well, they don't. Now that's the point. 3049 02:59:48,030 --> 02:59:51,720 I'm Joe Biden, and thank you for taking the time to listen. That 3050 02:59:51,720 --> 02:59:51,870 is. 3051 02:59:57,330 --> 03:00:00,840 borah.org/a In a