1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,440 Oh. How long does it last? Well, as long as there's mold, there's 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,360 always mold, right, but it's Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:12,960 Thursday, July 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,650 5 2015. Time once again forget my nation media assassination 5 00:00:16,650 --> 00:00:23,790 episode 736. This is no agenda, analyzing ourselves once again 6 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:26,730 and broadcasting live from the crackpot condo and FEMA Region 7 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,850 six downtown Austin J house in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam 8 00:00:29,850 --> 00:00:30,270 curry, 9 00:00:30,629 --> 00:00:35,309 and from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. Drag 10 00:00:35,309 --> 00:00:36,449 Levin books kill. 11 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:41,910 Immediately I noticed you're different when we don't have an 12 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:51,330 audience. That's yeah. So this is episode 200.7. 13 00:00:51,839 --> 00:00:55,109 AKA minute, let's back up a minute. Why would I be different 14 00:00:55,109 --> 00:00:57,989 when there's an audience? I don't know. I'm a ham. 15 00:00:58,019 --> 00:01:02,129 I'm just, I'm just Yes. I'm just presuming I'm just presuming 16 00:01:02,129 --> 00:01:02,549 that. 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,360 That's funny. 18 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:09,240 Now you were like, Hey, I'm John C. Dvorak. But Episode 200.7, 19 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:13,440 aka 736. And we do rise periodically. 20 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:18,090 Were done at once, before or twice before, we did a show 21 00:01:18,090 --> 00:01:19,980 called to enter point five, which was kind of an 22 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:23,520 introduction to people to the show ahead that don't get a lot 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,060 of memes and the noises and the things that we do and some of 24 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:30,870 the history of the show. Then we Redux the show we did it again. 25 00:01:31,650 --> 00:01:32,550 Two years later, 26 00:01:32,580 --> 00:01:35,490 which was around 435. I think it was 27 00:01:36,150 --> 00:01:39,270 in the four hundreds and, and we didn't do it since and we're 28 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:42,990 almost into into the eight hundreds now. So we felt that we 29 00:01:42,990 --> 00:01:48,150 should do one more look at the history of no agenda as we 30 00:01:49,050 --> 00:01:51,240 apparently I'd listened to the show again last night. 31 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:56,280 Apparently, we don't even know the history of the show. I don't 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,190 know the answers to it. We had people ask us questions, we 33 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:02,430 couldn't really answer many of them. We had a lot of theories. 34 00:02:02,970 --> 00:02:06,840 And we never discussed much about the show being performance 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,990 art, which has that element. And I don't think we talked about 36 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:14,160 that at all, which is odd, since it was always been that way. And 37 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:17,400 we wanted to do this one more time with maybe some more 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,390 explanatory stuff, play that one old show again. But I want to 39 00:02:21,390 --> 00:02:23,670 mention that this will be the last time we do this. We are 40 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:29,580 going to at some point in the next year or two, do a another 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,580 deconstruction of our own show, but we're going to do it from 42 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,850 scratch. Right? We'll have to we'll start over, we probably 43 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:38,460 have to bring the weenie and the butt back in and 44 00:02:38,670 --> 00:02:42,000 which was one of my favorite parts of listening to 200.5. 45 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,080 Again, it's like Oh, yes. 46 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,130 Yeah, that was actually the highlight of the whole show. 47 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:51,750 I noticed a number of things, though. Well, let me ask you, 48 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:55,140 what did you notice listening to? Well, we listened to 200.6, 49 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:59,910 which included 200.5. Brian, things that that? Well, 50 00:02:59,910 --> 00:03:03,780 what I heard was a lot of fact of the matter. 51 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:10,320 Exactly. Yeah. No, essentially, actually, 52 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:14,970 all the crap that we moan and groan about we had not really we 53 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:19,680 had not caught on to it. In 2012, and this was done. We 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,360 hadn't caught on to it. And so you hear it, and you just cringe 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,190 cringe worthy I know. But seriously, ya know, all over the 56 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:34,440 place, essentially, actually, what I write down here, whatever 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,220 the case, 58 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:38,520 whatever the case, end of the day, oh, man, 59 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:41,610 a fact of the matter. So does this mean we've gotten better? 60 00:03:41,610 --> 00:03:43,170 Or are we just anal? 61 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:46,860 I think we're more cognition. I think it's self awareness. I 62 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:50,370 think that's what's important. But I think, also think that the 63 00:03:50,370 --> 00:03:54,330 listeners are in the producers that follow us, since we've been 64 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:56,700 bitching and moaning about this. And we just got a letter in from 65 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:59,520 somebody saying, Well, yeah, no, is fine. You should be able to 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,380 say that he had all these rationales. We don't want to say 67 00:04:01,380 --> 00:04:03,720 it. That's the key. Yeah. But we've broken we've made 68 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,010 everybody else aware of these little peccadilloes. Yeah. And, 69 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,770 and I know that this the same thing like that we're going 70 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:13,290 through when you watch a TV show, or you listen to somebody 71 00:04:13,290 --> 00:04:15,180 on the radio, and they keep saying, and the fact of the 72 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:19,260 matter, and at the end of the day, I know it's horrible day, 73 00:04:19,350 --> 00:04:22,890 well, you know, change your words, change your world. What? 74 00:04:23,340 --> 00:04:25,500 That's a book I once read, change your words, change your 75 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:26,040 world, but 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,650 I think that's probably true. Yeah. Thanks for speaking 77 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:29,490 another language. 78 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:32,460 And of course, the other thing I noted, well, I'll tell you, I'll 79 00:04:32,460 --> 00:04:36,450 say what I noticed. Another thing is audio quality, 80 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:40,440 be a different form as if it did 2010 audio quality was terrible. 81 00:04:40,470 --> 00:04:41,700 Yeah. And you were 82 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,430 bitching about it. In fact, you were saying, hey, my mic sounds 83 00:04:44,430 --> 00:04:46,650 like crap. And it wasn't something I could necessarily do 84 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:47,610 anything about at the time. I 85 00:04:47,970 --> 00:04:50,370 apparently did something about it. Because in the 2012 86 00:04:50,370 --> 00:04:54,390 presentation, it sounded great. And now if you step away, right, 87 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:58,050 except for the middle of it, the middle bit, no, that cutouts, 88 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:01,530 the cut out. I will recon in common, they'd say something 89 00:05:01,530 --> 00:05:04,980 like, well, one of the reasons that I've done that is because 90 00:05:06,570 --> 00:05:09,630 and so that's the way it works be this long. Yeah. 91 00:05:09,929 --> 00:05:13,829 Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. Lots of dropouts. Yeah. Yeah, 92 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:17,039 well, that is Skype that has just improved, and we have much 93 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:20,219 higher bandwidth now. But the main thing that's changed and 94 00:05:20,219 --> 00:05:25,709 I've been on my end, have you even say in in, in 200.5, you'd 95 00:05:25,709 --> 00:05:28,949 be saying, you know, how good you were anal about audio, 96 00:05:28,979 --> 00:05:31,739 really, like audio quality has to be good. And we were just 97 00:05:31,739 --> 00:05:36,029 struggling with what we had. I think at one point, during that 98 00:05:36,029 --> 00:05:40,289 time, I was because I wanted everything to be as digital as 99 00:05:40,289 --> 00:05:42,869 possible or as contained as possible because of, you know, 100 00:05:42,869 --> 00:05:46,319 going on trips and traveling abroad and not wanting to schlep 101 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:50,819 along an entire studio. And a lot of it was external gear. I 102 00:05:50,819 --> 00:05:53,759 remember at one point, I was actually doing the show probably 103 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:58,019 for a year and a half, with a very slight delay on my 104 00:05:58,019 --> 00:06:01,049 headphone, so I could monitor in real time what was happening, 105 00:06:01,349 --> 00:06:03,899 because we recorded pretty much Direct to Tape as you as you 106 00:06:03,899 --> 00:06:06,539 call it, you know, direct directors, I just need to know 107 00:06:06,539 --> 00:06:09,629 what the the end product is. So we don't have to go back and do 108 00:06:09,629 --> 00:06:14,489 things after the fact. And not that that's necessarily all that 109 00:06:14,489 --> 00:06:20,189 noticeable in, in our performance. But anyway, Wow, 110 00:06:20,219 --> 00:06:23,249 big difference what we have now. And that is purely because of 111 00:06:23,249 --> 00:06:28,919 this Universal Audio, real time zero latency plugin system that 112 00:06:28,919 --> 00:06:29,519 we're using, 113 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:33,210 right, which makes a difference in the sound. And also, that's 114 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:36,090 another reason we have to do the show again from scratch sometime 115 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:40,020 next time. Because the information that we gave out 116 00:06:40,020 --> 00:06:44,490 about the technical aspects of the show is all stemmed from my 117 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:49,440 still talking free free air with us. You are fascinated with both 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,700 shows. It doesn't come up on the show, but I don't use 119 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:54,660 headphones. 120 00:06:55,049 --> 00:06:58,049 The reason why it was well first of all, I'm still fascinated by 121 00:06:58,049 --> 00:07:00,539 it, because it's just not a typical radio thing. I don't 122 00:07:00,539 --> 00:07:00,749 think 123 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:05,220 that again, I'll use the anecdote a guy in Vancouver used 124 00:07:05,220 --> 00:07:08,940 to do that on the air. Vancouver. Nuff said. Wow, this 125 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:11,100 big market Vancouver is not a slouch town. 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,170 We had a we had a long period where because I didn't have 127 00:07:16,170 --> 00:07:19,500 proper noise gating and other effects where I would hear 128 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:22,020 myself come back through from your speakers into your 129 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:22,560 microphone. 130 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:25,920 Yeah, and then you play the clip turned down your speaker 131 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:29,850 Oh wow. I don't even have talked about that on the show. I don't 132 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:31,320 know if I have that. Let me say 133 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:34,980 turn turn down your speakers which was annoying. Yeah, 134 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:40,290 jarring and it was I banned it here it is. down your speakers. 135 00:07:41,850 --> 00:07:45,900 That was you know, that's Michael Butler. Yeah. But you 136 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:50,310 saw Butler as good as good but that was a function of my not 137 00:07:50,310 --> 00:07:51,600 using headphones and 138 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,650 yeah, well it is it has dropped the audio equipment has 139 00:07:55,650 --> 00:07:59,760 drastically changed the show. Because we can pretty much do 140 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,710 the same show no matter where I am. And you also are able to do 141 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:06,660 it almost from anywhere because you pretty much just have to 142 00:08:06,660 --> 00:08:10,350 have your own microphone here is you are you still using your M 143 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:12,270 audio breakout box is that what you're using? 144 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:16,680 Well I'm using the newer one that has two channels. Right and 145 00:08:17,460 --> 00:08:20,190 because the other one blew up I'm when I'm in Washington. 146 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:25,110 North I do use the old M audio box and I have to I had two of 147 00:08:25,110 --> 00:08:28,590 them one of them blew up and I use it up there. But this one is 148 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:31,530 really a nice boxes new one I can't remember that doesn't just 149 00:08:31,530 --> 00:08:35,370 says m audio on it. See if it's got a model number. It's the m 150 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:40,500 track something or other. The other ones Amtrak to but there's 151 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:45,810 a two channel Black is a really pretty. And I don't know that it 152 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:48,930 works perfectly. But it does work, I think. And 153 00:08:49,079 --> 00:08:51,479 oh no, it's fantastic. It sounds good. But you're also you're the 154 00:08:51,479 --> 00:08:55,649 you're the mic, man, you know, you have found the microphone 155 00:08:55,649 --> 00:09:01,079 that is perfect for your voice for our setup is outstanding. 156 00:09:01,739 --> 00:09:05,189 Yeah, I've got a good mic here. And I've got to I used a PR 40 157 00:09:05,189 --> 00:09:11,369 up north. It's just dead I don't want to deal with with the 48 158 00:09:11,369 --> 00:09:13,919 volts and all the rest of it because the whole demo audio I 159 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,679 don't believe has a phantom power hour. Right, 160 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,810 right. Anything else we need to talk about? 161 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:25,110 I took a lot of notes we can talk about at the mid break. You 162 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:28,140 had a bunch of stories that we talked about we were gonna be 163 00:09:28,140 --> 00:09:30,990 here's where he let me give the design of what we're up to. 164 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:35,550 We've cut out the original 2000 points six opening because it 165 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:37,740 makes no sense. It was most mostly about Adam getting 166 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:40,080 married. Right? And that's exactly what this show. Right. 167 00:09:40,110 --> 00:09:42,930 Right. So he's just pulling that and then the mid break was 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,080 answers questions. Unfortunately, the questions and 169 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,620 the answers are dated. Yeah. Agreed. There's a couple of 170 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:52,020 things in there that are okay. But I and I may drop them in 171 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:54,540 when I edit this thing. But if we're pulling that out, we're 172 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:57,720 going to do a new one. And that's we're going to do halfway 173 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,240 through the show. And then at the end we're We're going to 174 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,650 have the the original ending, which is the 200.5 ending. And 175 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:08,460 then as we go to Music Week, they interrupt those two guys, 176 00:10:08,490 --> 00:10:12,660 those dudes, John and Adam have chosen 12 from from the past, 177 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:15,630 and they interrupt the ending, and they're going to yak about 178 00:10:15,630 --> 00:10:19,500 something. And then we, the John and Adam from 2015, are going to 179 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:21,960 interrupt them and finish the whole thing. And you're going to 180 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,530 have a nice piece of entertainment and realize that 181 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,690 this will be the this is being retired. So 182 00:10:27,690 --> 00:10:32,190 just but just in case, just in case, for whatever reason, in a 183 00:10:32,190 --> 00:10:36,960 year or two, we decide to still use something from this 200.7 184 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,010 show. I know, we agree we won't. I just want to say hi to Adam 185 00:10:41,010 --> 00:10:43,980 and John from the future. Just want to make sure that they're 186 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:44,070 all 187 00:10:44,070 --> 00:10:46,680 happy. Yeah, well, they may or may not be you don't know. 188 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:52,020 One more thing that that. And that partially has to do with 189 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:58,500 the setup. And, yeah, we've really, we've improved a lot of 190 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,840 the technical pieces, a lot of that is just Moore's law, you 191 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,720 know, computers, we've got become better and, and just the 192 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,160 whole setup is much easier to handle for me, I noticed that I 193 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,380 am able to listen to you. I can have better listening skills now 194 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:18,300 than I had in both of those eras. Let's call them that. And 195 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:21,630 I still have to this day after this is maybe a little known 196 00:11:21,630 --> 00:11:24,900 fact, after the show was posted. And we're done. We always do a 197 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:28,440 post mortem. We gossip about stuff, nothing really show 198 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,160 related. Just the old why old wives gossip, whatever. 199 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:35,370 Gossip this show had some issues. We talked about that 200 00:11:35,370 --> 00:11:37,590 always, which is what we're supposed to do. But we ended up 201 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:38,160 gossip and 202 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,140 we ended up gossiping. I always listen to the show. And and to 203 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:46,350 this day still there there moments. I'm like, Oh, I didn't 204 00:11:46,350 --> 00:11:49,140 hear what he was saying I didn't I didn't understand. And that's 205 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:52,530 mainly because I'm doing things, getting clips ready, or I'm 206 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:54,960 listening, trying to anticipate what clip you're talking about. 207 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Because if in case it wasn't clear, and maybe this needs to 208 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,610 be reiterated, we don't talk outside of the show rarely. I 209 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:05,340 have no idea what stories John's working on. He has no idea what 210 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:08,250 I'm working on. Of course we kind of now throughout the years 211 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:12,480 know what we may or may not pick up on and I can actually say, I 212 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,940 don't have to worry about that. I think John will cover that. 213 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:17,040 But 214 00:12:17,190 --> 00:12:20,340 and sometimes I do and sometimes I don't I think I missed one 215 00:12:20,730 --> 00:12:22,170 thing recently we're in new 216 00:12:22,170 --> 00:12:24,660 ground step. Yeah. It was the White House Correspondents 217 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:24,990 Dinner. 218 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:28,020 Right. I missed it. I missed it. It was my night. You're right. I 219 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:30,780 should have had a couple of one live good clips from one liners. 220 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:33,720 It's something funny. And I missed the whole thing. I didn't 221 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,330 even get to what I liked to watch the red carpet thing. It's 222 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:37,650 one of 223 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:40,200 these days, we're going to do live commentaries. 224 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:43,260 We're never going to we never know. 225 00:12:43,470 --> 00:12:47,370 Probably not. But I'm I think that I've gotten better at 226 00:12:47,370 --> 00:12:51,180 listening to what you have to say. And when I listened to Oh, 227 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:55,860 it's to me, it's cringe worthy. Man you had no you didn't you 228 00:12:55,860 --> 00:12:58,170 didn't understand at all what he was talking about. And that's 229 00:12:58,170 --> 00:13:02,070 probably one of the biggest problems in life. But certainly 230 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:04,770 in media, we're most people if they're interviewing somebody, 231 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:06,510 we're not interviewing each other, but we're having a 232 00:13:06,510 --> 00:13:07,260 conversation. 233 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,530 Well, we make clips from people that that botch, you know, 234 00:13:10,980 --> 00:13:13,500 something crazy, and then the guy just ignores them. 235 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:18,780 Yep. So I'm completely guilty of that. And but it's mainly 236 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:21,480 because I'm doing a whole bunch of other things to St. I also 237 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,080 keep my eye on the chat room, which is well known you don't 238 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:31,260 do. And and there's more benefit than not to, for me, looking at 239 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:31,860 the chat room, 240 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:38,910 I'd get benefit out of it. But I said I think in one of these 241 00:13:38,910 --> 00:13:43,470 shows, I think in 2000 to 200.5 that AI is so distracting to me 242 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:46,920 because I just end up reading what they have to say instead of 243 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:47,790 doing the show. 244 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:51,210 Right, right. Well, and so yeah, it is distracting, and I read 245 00:13:51,210 --> 00:13:54,210 something and then beyond that I just didn't you know, sometimes 246 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:56,220 you just don't hear stuff. So I've gotten better. I'm happy 247 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:58,170 with that personal improvement goal. 248 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,410 Yeah, I think I've personally improved on some things too. I 249 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:05,310 should have I probably not as much as I'd like. I haven't been 250 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:10,230 read replaying clips that were played on previous shows as 251 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:14,280 much. I don't think I've done it. Maybe once every two or 252 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,600 three months. Maybe what 253 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,280 do you I don't know. I don't understand what you're saying. 254 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:18,420 You play a clip. 255 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,060 Like on show 250 and 252. I play the clip as though it's new. 256 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:27,450 Remember that? Yeah. The horn Yeah. 257 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:32,280 Yeah, now the buzzer which for some reason is one channel. Oh, 258 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:32,760 no, no, 259 00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:36,720 that wasn't a buzzer used to use that that submarine dive sound. 260 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:38,760 Wah wah wah wah. 261 00:14:38,820 --> 00:14:40,260 I don't know if I have that. And I don't think 262 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:41,820 you I don't think was the buzzer for that. 263 00:14:41,850 --> 00:14:45,480 I think we've also we banded last a lot of clips. No, we 264 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,570 haven't really lost a lot of them. Well, they're 265 00:14:48,570 --> 00:14:52,890 lost. They're not technically lost. They're like stuff in my 266 00:14:52,890 --> 00:14:53,730 archives. 267 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:57,750 I have no idea what that sound effect was. No, it's not 268 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:58,170 important. It 269 00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:01,050 was something it was one person I think it was one of those 270 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:02,550 military sounding things. 271 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:05,340 I don't know what it was. All right, fine. All right. Well, 272 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:09,960 let's just start with this show. 200.5 which is the introduction 273 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,770 show for people who don't know the history of the show. We try 274 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,790 to discuss the history and then there's a break and we'll when 275 00:15:17,790 --> 00:15:19,980 we would get to the breakpoint, we'll come back in. 276 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,700 Okay, here we go. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's May 277 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:27,990 16 2010. times your gizmo nation media assassination, Episode 278 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:33,510 200.5. This is no agenda. Welcome to a special backstage 279 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:36,270 tour of the no agenda Show coming to you from the hilltop 280 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:39,090 Watchtower crock pot command center and get more nation West 281 00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:42,240 in the People's Republic of Southern California. Yay. In the 282 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,710 morning, I'm Adam curry. 283 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:47,070 And it's not really a media assassination today. It's a no 284 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:53,100 agenda assassination. I'm John C. Dvorak. Vaughn Buzzkill. 285 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:56,640 We still get to say in the morning, 286 00:15:57,090 --> 00:16:00,090 yeah, definitely, in the morning never goes away. You know, the 287 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:02,850 thing is, we should tell people since this is really a show 288 00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:05,010 where we're just essentially going to talk about the show. 289 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:08,250 And we're going to ask answer a lot of questions, and probably 290 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:14,190 ask some. But you know, the one of the things you immediately 291 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:17,340 note, we actually had to debate as to whether we're going to 292 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:19,950 play the opening jingle, 293 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:22,860 it's kind of sad that we didn't put the debate on the backstage 294 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:26,700 show. This is kind of where we, yeah, I think on this show, 295 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:32,190 which is driven by support from our producers slash donors 296 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:37,200 supporters. Were we kind of bare at all, not that we have any 297 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,690 secrets, I don't think but people just want to know a lot 298 00:16:39,690 --> 00:16:43,440 of stuff that we don't put into the show. Because little known 299 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,300 fact, we make it look easy. 300 00:16:45,870 --> 00:16:48,930 And also a lot of this personal stuff that they're asking it 301 00:16:48,930 --> 00:16:51,540 because we I sent out a message on Twitter to get some 302 00:16:51,540 --> 00:16:53,730 questions. And we also got a couple of emails and you've 303 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:56,430 worked up some questions yourself. To be honest about it. 304 00:16:56,430 --> 00:16:58,230 A lot of it is just plain boring. 305 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:03,720 Yes, indeed. You know, John and I have been in. In fact, you 306 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,870 said this on episode 200. We've been in media in all forms of 307 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:10,830 media from print, you've probably been around 308 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:11,580 typesetting. 309 00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:15,060 Actually, I used to be a typesetter part time when I was 310 00:17:15,060 --> 00:17:15,630 in college. So 311 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:20,370 it doesn't surprise me all the way through to today's reality 312 00:17:20,370 --> 00:17:23,850 based television programming and everything in between on 313 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,380 mainstream media. And I would say, Well, I certainly gave up a 314 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:32,550 number of years ago and, and I am patently unhireable by 315 00:17:32,550 --> 00:17:34,830 mainstream media. In fact, the last, 316 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,670 especially after you did the SEC thing. Well, 317 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:42,810 yeah, that's right. When I said Michael Jackson was probably 318 00:17:42,810 --> 00:17:45,810 killed, and they cut me off. And of course, now it turns out, he 319 00:17:45,810 --> 00:17:50,310 probably was. But the last radio station I was on, which was 320 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:53,340 around the time we started the show, actually, in fact, 321 00:17:53,790 --> 00:17:56,940 no, you were doing this debt show while we're doing this show 322 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:00,660 here, but I think we started this show. Yeah, but I've only 323 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:03,450 done a couple like a week or two. And then we started doing 324 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:06,540 this show, right? I was doing that first was No, no, I think 325 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:09,600 you were fired during I was fired during it. We were doing 326 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,660 no agenda when I was fired. But it only just started that show. 327 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:14,490 Yeah, no, I think we did it for about a month. 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,390 So I was trying to think back cuz that was I think 26 of 329 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:27,090 either October or November 2007. The first episode was like 35 330 00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:31,920 minutes. The good old days. Yeah, I was living in London, 331 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,950 which did give the show a very different flavor. I have to say 332 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:36,630 I was also baked out of my mind. 333 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:39,750 Right. Although, you know, to be honest about it. I don't think 334 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:43,530 that was apparent. And I actually argue with you. I don't 335 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:46,650 think you your personality has changed that much from stop 336 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:48,120 since you stopped smoking. 337 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:52,260 Right. But I Well, there's a couple of episodes there where I 338 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:54,660 remember one time I actually went off on some tangent and I 339 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:56,730 said, Dude, I'm so baked. 340 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,660 Yeah. But yeah, I do remember that. 341 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:03,240 The personality that Well, I'm happy to hear that. I'm just 342 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,330 more awake. And I can do more and I'm more focused. 343 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:09,600 Yeah. And you finally got a rig that makes me sound decent. 344 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:10,680 Yeah, but 345 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,400 that's, well, you know, the end there. We had we had a pretty 346 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,910 good setup. It sounded okay. But this is the best one. I have to 347 00:19:17,910 --> 00:19:23,460 say. This is definitely the best one. So now we met at, I guess, 348 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:25,620 what did we meet John was on cranky 349 00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:31,680 hands. Gents. Dan gents.com on Twitter asked the question. The 350 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,350 real Devorah can curry have a unique relationship? How did you 351 00:19:34,350 --> 00:19:36,960 guys meet? So when did you hit it off right away? 352 00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:41,640 I'll tell you something I found in my crap that arrived from 353 00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:49,590 from the UK I found a videotape of the CNET pilots, where we 354 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:53,130 actually first met for the very first time although that was in 355 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:59,190 1993 Three or four maybe? I think was three. Yeah. And I and 356 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:04,500 I'm gonna get one of those A VHS to DVR things to transcode all 357 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:08,130 of this stuff. But this was when CNET did not have a website. In 358 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:12,360 fact, I registered cnet.com and said to Halsey minor Hey, dude, 359 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,700 you know, I'll do your email if you want, you know, you might 360 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,770 want to have a web thing that I think that would be more 361 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:19,260 appropriate for what you're doing here. But alright, they 362 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:24,810 paid me like 20 grand to do that pilot, which was nice. And you 363 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:28,320 were doing kind of a McLaughlin Group Type roundtable as the 364 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,700 pilot for that show. 365 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,790 Yeah, they that's kind of interesting, because we've seen 366 00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:35,760 that they actually went through a whole bunch of people before 367 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,790 they decided they wanted me to do it. And I didn't really want 368 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:40,860 to do it. I actually, to be honest, I never wanted to work 369 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:46,560 for CNET. But I did like the idea of watching Kevin Wendell 370 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,860 at work once they brought him he was he was the guy from Fox. 371 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,470 Yeah, he's a guy from somewhere. He's a Hollywood guy. 372 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:56,070 You'd set up the Fox network. He was one of the driving 373 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:57,960 programming forces behind Fox 374 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,400 early. I don't remember that. Whatever the case was, he was a 375 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,600 slick operator. And it was fun to watch him work. And but they 376 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,050 first wanted Leo Laporte to be that McLaughlin guy. And Leo 377 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:14,430 wanted to do it. Badly. He was always wanted that tort that 378 00:21:14,430 --> 00:21:17,940 sort of gig. And because but it's because very serious, and 379 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:21,210 it's, you know, this and that. And but they had me do it. But 380 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,700 that never got off the ground. It just wasn't going to work. 381 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,690 And so then they gave me some other job being a kind of a 382 00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:32,400 clownish co host with a genius ain't John. Oh, yeah. 383 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:35,820 Well, they offered me to move out to San Francisco and be 384 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:39,330 there full time. And they offered like really low salary, 385 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:42,090 but 2 million shares of stock and I declined. 386 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:45,750 Yeah, well, that was an error. Well, who 387 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,280 knows what, you know, I was like, Well, I 388 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,320 know it's a crapshoot. I did the same thing. 389 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:54,030 How many? How many shares outstanding? Wow, it's vague, 390 00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:56,910 right? I was like, Yeah, I got a pretty good thing here at MTV. 391 00:21:56,910 --> 00:21:57,660 I'm good. 392 00:21:57,870 --> 00:22:02,310 So anyway, so we met 93. Casually, casually, very 393 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:05,010 casually. But you know, we followed each other's careers a 394 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:08,100 little bit. But then I was kind of triggered by that when you 395 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:12,180 had your moment of richness. And I was floating around Europe, 396 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:15,000 and I ran into a newspaper with one of these, one of these 397 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,820 papers. I think it was a Dutch story somewhere. And it had a 398 00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:21,390 picture of you and your Euro, some superstar in Holland. And 399 00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:24,900 this is unbelievable. So this guy makes so much money. Yeah. 400 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:28,230 And so then you showed up in town again. And so then we just 401 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,760 kind of forced myself I 402 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,260 was it wasn't a yes. And that was nice. But wasn't it a wasn't 403 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,940 like cranky geeks when we connected? 404 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:40,320 No, I think we met up first and then I put you on cranky geeks. 405 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:44,730 But where the hell was it, John? Because when we I we did some an 406 00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:47,880 email exchange. And I said, Let's go have lunch or 407 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,450 something. We added our first or lunch our initial the remeeting 408 00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:56,100 lunch at differing guile. And we talked about you know, getting 409 00:22:56,100 --> 00:23:00,300 some getting a daily news show the tech five thing ideas like 410 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,090 that. And then I then we went and had a big meeting with Ron 411 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:08,400 in the office. Yeah. You aren't cranky geeks. After that. 412 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:11,550 I'm trying to look now in my email, if I have something from 413 00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:13,890 you from that must have been 2007. Right. 414 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:16,470 Probably, 415 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:19,920 how do you do that? Gmail? Do you do date? 2007? 416 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:24,300 I don't know. Anyway, that's the basically the story and then we? 417 00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:30,750 We, I don't know, then we I just say we just kind of naturally 418 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,570 got I really don't know, that's the answer. We really don't know 419 00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:35,610 how that happened. We actually get along 420 00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:38,640 just in some funny way. It's not really explainable. It's like, 421 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,830 you know, you meet somebody, and you've all you've known them for 422 00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:43,680 a long time. So you know, that they're obviously not assassins. 423 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,160 Of course, that may not be true. But whatever the case is, you 424 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,320 you've always had, you know, you had an acquaintance. And then 425 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,300 you decide that, you know, now you're working together. It's 426 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:54,240 almost like, you know, where people meet on a Hollywood set, 427 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,610 and they're hanging out a lot. And then they go off their 428 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:59,550 separate ways. But instead of going off our separate ways, 429 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:04,410 since we're both looking at me, VO We decided to start doing a 430 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,950 show. And that now it's debatable is that you know, how 431 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:09,720 it got named when we started? 432 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,340 I think I came up with a name. 433 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,610 I don't know if that's true. I think you're the one that 434 00:24:14,610 --> 00:24:17,490 approved the name. But you kind of told me it was your brain 435 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:17,940 fart? 436 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:21,120 I think it was I say, well, we got you know why we got no 437 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,820 agenda? And then you said let's call it no agenda. That sounds 438 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:27,300 about right, actually. And it sounds good. Something like 439 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,840 that. And then, and then as it evolved, we got into other 440 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,570 things, which are kind of the same kind of like, we don't know 441 00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:39,540 who came up with the idea. I mean, the donation thing. Well, 442 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840 before we get to that, because the show started off with a very 443 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,600 different format. It was in fact, I think our first show was 444 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,400 on a Friday, and like a Friday afternoon, Friday morning for 445 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,190 you. And we would just talk about stuff and I would grab the 446 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:56,310 Financial Times but we would also just talk about stuff, you 447 00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:59,790 know the difference between America and Europe. Right and it 448 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,590 was just took like a casual 449 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:04,590 conversation, just like a conversation. Yeah. And this 450 00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:10,260 was, in my opinion, I've always felt that a two guys interesting 451 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:14,760 conversation between two people is interesting to everybody. And 452 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,120 I've always believed I could sell conversations I had with my 453 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,820 wife. And I always felt that a good conversational show where 454 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:25,110 there's not a lot of rehearsal or preparation, but just guys 455 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:28,260 were just talking about stuff that they know a lot about. And 456 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:31,710 coincidentally, because the two of us are so extremely well 457 00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:36,660 traveled, and I mean, pretty much been everywhere, and 458 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,900 observant, because, you know, we're generally floating around 459 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:43,170 looking at stuff. It turns out that we have enough life 460 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:47,490 experience to, to have an interesting conversation. And 461 00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:49,230 we're both from slightly different backgrounds. So we 462 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:52,590 could complement each other in ways that I thought was 463 00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:54,840 interesting for those people to listen in on. 464 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:59,400 Yeah. And from my perspective, I was looking to do a show with 465 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,600 total honesty. Not in the regard of, oh, let's all hold hands and 466 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960 tell each other a secret. But more like, why don't we just say 467 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,230 what it is and not be fake and just talk about stuff. And we 468 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:13,050 can contradict and we can have an argument and we don't have 469 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:17,670 to. In fact, we had no no thoughts even think about making 470 00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:23,250 money doing no agenda? Yeah, we had absolutely no agenda. And 471 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,110 and I was just happy that someone would listen to my 472 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:28,620 bullshit. Like, hey, here's a guy who actually knows more than 473 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:34,680 me, because he's been around longer for sure. And, and we'll 474 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,860 listen to some of the because I think I was, I was maybe a late 475 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:40,890 bloomer, I was like, saying, oh, wait a minute, the world kind of 476 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:43,440 works a little bit differently. Because I was so embedded in the 477 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,100 hits. You know, that's all I did. I played hits on radio on 478 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,860 television, like, you know, I knew what, what all the 479 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:53,070 celebrities were doing. And all of a sudden, like, there's 480 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:54,270 something else going on here. 481 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,480 I think I corrupted you more than you corrupted me when it 482 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,220 comes to this show. Correct? I would agree. Mainly because of 483 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:05,820 my natural cynicism. I you know, I took a test one, there's a it 484 00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:08,190 was a computer software program. Some years ago, I've always 485 00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:12,270 found it fascinating. That was a career guidance. It was almost 486 00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:15,120 like it was a very elaborate take computer test you to answer 487 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,570 a million questions. It was like an MMPI, or Minnesota multi 488 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,010 phase Personality Inventory that people take in some companies. 489 00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:26,070 It's actually an illegal test, you shouldn't be forced to take 490 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:28,830 it. But it can tell whether you're a psycho and all these 491 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:30,930 other things. And this was the determine what your what your 492 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:34,470 career path should be. And I took the test a couple of times, 493 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:37,650 and it was the weirdest thing to get back at the top of a career 494 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,440 path. This is telling you, this is what you should go be doing. 495 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:41,910 Pro critic. 496 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:47,700 Really? Yeah. That's awesome. That's really good. 497 00:27:48,510 --> 00:27:51,930 I like that. So anyway, so yeah, we've got that thing. We when we 498 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:54,150 started, there's a couple of, you know, 499 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:59,370 I got like hand worker on all my tests, shoveling shit, boy, you 500 00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:01,200 shouldn't be in any kind of business, 501 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:03,900 you might be surprised that test was pretty amazing. I had other 502 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,090 people taking it was just like nailing people left and right. I 503 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,390 wish I could, if I could find it in my archives. If you can find 504 00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:14,040 it, I'll be producing a modern format. It'd be nice. So anyway, 505 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:20,460 we started the show with just casually and it had a it really 506 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:23,700 started picking up a following quickly. And people were feeding 507 00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:27,630 back into the mechanism, encouraging the continuation of 508 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:29,640 the show. And then somewhere along the line, this was your 509 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,030 idea. I'm sure of it. Because it could have been mine. You 510 00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:38,400 decided to do two shows a week? Yeah. 511 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:41,700 I don't remember why. 512 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:44,370 And there were some reason because I think we're starting 513 00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:45,570 to show we're starting to get along and 514 00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:47,400 get along. Yeah. And we said, Well, why don't we Why don't we 515 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,580 do to show actually, that's when we made a real commitment, 516 00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:54,180 though. And for now that was that was much later in the game. 517 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:57,450 We made a real commitment to do two shows. After we we said hey, 518 00:28:57,450 --> 00:29:01,260 you know, this is real. We're building an audience. But I 519 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:04,440 think we were going for a good year there just on one show, 520 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:07,530 probably one a year building an audience. And we had a kind of a 521 00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:10,470 weird audience because there were really your fans separate 522 00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:13,650 from my fans and my fans who say huge, you should do the show by 523 00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:18,180 yourself. You should get rid of curry and get to the head man 524 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:22,740 when I can get the same kind of commentary and it's always made 525 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:25,860 me laugh because it's like, oh, yeah, that's what you want. Just 526 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:30,900 some guys. Solid. By the way, I have never Oh conversation, no 527 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:31,890 pace and flow. 528 00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:35,130 I've never received never received an email of someone 529 00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:36,840 saying you're a bit of a divorce duck ever. 530 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,610 I've seen I have seen the get rid of divorce meme on Twitter, 531 00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:43,770 on Twitter, and I've seen it here and now. I've never 532 00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:44,250 seen it. 533 00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:48,810 I've never seen it nice then. Well, then your fans are less. 534 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:54,000 Less crazy. Oh, yeah. Hostile. Okay. So, 535 00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:57,509 at a certain point, though, I think that what what really drew 536 00:29:57,509 --> 00:30:02,069 us together is we're both With radio guys at heart, I think 537 00:30:02,069 --> 00:30:06,989 we're and I know I am. And I grew up in Radio Television was 538 00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:12,059 more like a sidetrack for me. I never felt like, too tall. I'm 539 00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:15,449 too lanky and too geeky. I have Tourette's there's a whole bunch 540 00:30:15,449 --> 00:30:18,029 of stuff that would make me not ideal for television my head 541 00:30:18,029 --> 00:30:22,049 isn't big enough to be really successful know about that you 542 00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:25,049 got you got to have a huge not not metaphorically speaking but 543 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,649 physically a huge head that makes you successful on TV. 544 00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:32,789 We've already established that well, but it was our it was our 545 00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:37,979 I think I really our mutual love of radio in the I love radio. 546 00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:40,350 And the reason there's a lot of reasons I think it should be 547 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:44,550 explored. One is that fact that you don't have to. It's, it's a 548 00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:48,660 different, it's different. I mean, radio is, and this is 549 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,450 basically what we're doing is radio, and it's a modern form of 550 00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:56,640 radio, podcasting. You don't have to get dressed, you don't 551 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,130 have to scrimp. 552 00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:02,910 More than that. It's theater of the mind is what I like about 553 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:03,000 it, 554 00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:05,610 right. And you can also write well, the theater of the mind 555 00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:09,900 part, which is extremely valuable. I don't know. I mean, 556 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:14,130 my first broadcasting training was an array, I went to Foothill 557 00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:16,470 College for a while and went on that was on the radio station. 558 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:21,030 And I just loved it, I produced a radio play. And I did a lot of 559 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,970 radio was I got a third class license, which you had to have 560 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:27,810 at one time, FCC license, I still have mine. Nobody needs 561 00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:33,150 them anymore. And I've always liked. And I'm very kind of a 562 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,790 sound not I like good quality sound, which is why I was always 563 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:41,190 carping on the quality of this podcast. Even when I was doing 564 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,890 when I was doing silicon spin at Tech TV. 565 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,400 Sound is always forgotten on television. Oh, 566 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:53,910 yes. And so but as but I made a big stink about it, because it 567 00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:56,730 sounded so bad. And to have the sound engineers that were 568 00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:58,320 working there were I was their hero. 569 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:01,380 I know, the hero of the sound engineers, 570 00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:03,660 because the sound engineers couldn't get anybody to listen 571 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:06,720 to the fact that they were using cheap mics and they weren't 572 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,960 doing notching or anything, right. And so the sound, it 573 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720 sounded like a cheap ass production. Now, the thing 574 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,320 that's interesting is that MIT did during the Negroponte era, 575 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,230 when they had a media lab, they had studied this to death, and 576 00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:22,740 they had double blind studies over and over again, and it kept 577 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:26,400 coming up. If you take a group of people and have them watch a 578 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,370 TV show with shitty sound, and then have them compare, and then 579 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:37,770 show another TV show with really great sound like Dolby five 580 00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:41,100 channel much longer. No, it's not just that if when they do an 581 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,440 analysis, they claim the pictures better. 582 00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:49,230 That's fantastic. That makes sense. And I'm a sound not 583 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:51,540 although I've had a lot of trouble, you know, just because 584 00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:55,140 of the technology we've been using. But now. Okay, so now 585 00:32:55,140 --> 00:33:00,120 it's where it should be. I am way into creating a custom sound 586 00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:04,020 that gives you something that affects the listener in other 587 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:05,220 ways. By the way, you 588 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,310 have their record button pushed. Ooh, yes, I 589 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:14,160 do. So you know, we have compression. I put noise gates 590 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,580 on because I don't want to hit when I would either. I'm talking 591 00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:20,670 over this, by the way, I love silence. When neither of us say 592 00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:24,210 anything, the noise gates kick in, it's completely silent. If I 593 00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:27,210 didn't have those on, then I'd hear your room and I'd hear 594 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:31,770 stuff. You wrote rustling of papers. And that's, to me an 595 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:33,810 important part of our sound. And I love it. Because in the 596 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:38,670 beginning, certainly when we had a huge Skype delay, people would 597 00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:43,080 be like, Oh, no, I keep grabbing my my iPod or my mp3 player, 598 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,390 because I think that the thing is stopped or it's crapped out, 599 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:48,150 but then you guys talk again, and it gets people's attention. 600 00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:49,500 Silence is beautiful. 601 00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:53,850 Yeah, yeah, it does work. And we do have a moment of silence 602 00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:59,040 every so often. But anyway, so the two of us are kind of have a 603 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:04,740 we have amenable personalities. So we were complimentary. We're 604 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:06,390 not you know, people say, oh, there's your work, because 605 00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:08,970 you're the opposite is no, we're hardly the opposite. Not at all. 606 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:13,050 We're just complementary. We have different kinds of needs 607 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:17,940 and issues, perspectives, but they're not opposite. They're 608 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:21,570 just different. And it's all worked out. So we have a show 609 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,810 that works. Very rarely do you know, these kinds of 610 00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:28,290 partnerships. Somebody else who asked a question, let me go to 611 00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:32,460 this one. Who's the star of the show? And of course, that's 612 00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:33,330 would be me. 613 00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:38,910 Yeah, exactly. So right on. 614 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,219 I thought I'd get that in before you gave the same line. I was 615 00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:46,890 wondering if we could actually say it at the same time, like 616 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:49,740 now, it'll never work on Skype. We'll never hit that at the same 617 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:50,190 moment, 618 00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:53,010 though. But that would have been funny on stage. So 619 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,340 yeah, in a Smothers Brothers kind of humor way. 620 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,259 There's no star of the show because and there's no like 621 00:35:01,259 --> 00:35:04,019 sidekick. I mean, it's not like there's a dominant character. I 622 00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,509 mean, they've right Adam produces the show. So he picks 623 00:35:06,509 --> 00:35:10,319 up the dominant side of the production because he's the one 624 00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:12,569 that hits the buttons it says in the morning, and he's the one 625 00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:15,929 who opens the show, because he's got all that gear. But it's, 626 00:35:16,019 --> 00:35:18,629 it's just happens to be what you have to do if you're producing 627 00:35:18,629 --> 00:35:21,839 because if I was producing it, you know, I started the clips on 628 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:25,079 like, he's starting to think myself, but so so and somebody 629 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,979 has to produce you can't have two producers. No, sorry. But 630 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:34,470 with what happened and a lot of a lot of people talk about this, 631 00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:37,530 at least I've seen it around like, well, you know, it used to 632 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:40,980 be in fact, we used to say the show that has reopened we would 633 00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:44,430 open the show the show that has no jingles, no sound effects, no 634 00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:48,720 agenda. And then I think you because people need to know that 635 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,440 John is a is the kind of guy and this is I really appreciate 636 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,310 this, by the way, who will see something on television or find 637 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,520 a crazy documentary or something that you're generally interested 638 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,430 in. And it's often I think it's stuff that you don't even 639 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:05,910 believe in or care about yourself, but he'll burn you a 640 00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:10,170 DVD and make a nice label on it. And you know, and I'm always 641 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:14,010 amazed by the labels it's always nice art and it's labeled 642 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:15,240 beautifully that we 643 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,490 have the expense bustin they look at it they say I'll just 644 00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:19,140 bust this isn't a bootleg, this got to be 645 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:22,860 the real deal. But that's not like movies. It's you know, it's 646 00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:27,630 documentaries, it's different shows that he's seen and you 647 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:33,600 handed me a copy of the Family Guy with the episode weenie and 648 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,550 the but and that really got the because again, we're both radio 649 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:42,060 freaks. And we figured this would just be funny to do and it 650 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,630 kind of stuck and I think that it'll be fun. That's also where 651 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:50,040 in the morning came from, by the way. And it's such a take off on 652 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,240 the morning zoo format and which we both I would say love and 653 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,020 hate at the same time. Low Of course now it's just so old 654 00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:01,770 fashioned. But when you listen to this, you can understand why 655 00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:05,910 radio guys get off on weenie in the butt to about two minutes 656 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:09,930 this oh that's the Hulu the Hulu pre roll. What's your favorites 657 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:11,310 anytime for free Hulu, 658 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,490 everybody it's really in the bud here live at the go hog Air 659 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:17,940 Show. We're all ready for the weenies sound alike contest. I 660 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,250 don't know but I don't think they can say my catchphrase 661 00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:26,460 because they know funny. Oh, there it is. And if you think 662 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:30,060 you can say that just like weenie here. You could win 97.1 663 00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:32,250 dollars for the cool weekend ahead. 664 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:54,960 97.1 weekends and welcome back. Excuse me. I gotta find a lost 665 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,360 kid. Can I use your mic? That's what she said. 666 00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:59,880 Whoa, you got butt slam? 667 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,050 Listen, I could really use a hand here. 668 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:12,270 That's what he said. That's manic monkey on 97.1 Monkey. 669 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:19,890 Weekends in the morning, all weekend long. In the morning, 670 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,150 radio. 671 00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:25,680 Give me Stewie Griffin, will you please report to the radio 672 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,770 booth. Stewie Griffin. Hey, that's quite a voice you've got 673 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,430 there. You ever think about doing radio? Well, I've listened 674 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:35,370 to a lot of radio. Peter and Lois leave the radio on when 675 00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:37,800 they go out. So I feel like somebody's home. Well, here's my 676 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,010 card. Call me if you're interested. Hey, okay, we've got 677 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:45,180 our first contestant. Let's see your weenies catchphrase, Dan 678 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:52,590 No, fine. I think we have a wiener. And that's Dickey, the 679 00:38:52,590 --> 00:39:13,950 punch line donkey on 97.17 97.1 97.1 680 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:16,440 of the greatest moments in Family Guy history. 681 00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:19,440 It really is. And you know, they produced all of that stuff. And 682 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,050 they must have had a ball because it really was like that 683 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:25,830 in the 90s in the 80s. And the 90s. Radio was absolutely in the 684 00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:26,370 morning 685 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,200 on the context of point one, zero content, all filler 686 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,040 and I used to hate it. We got to do liner cards. Here. Read this 687 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,260 hit the jingle. All right. 100.1 dollars in cash for you on Z 100 688 00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:43,290 G 100 Surfing the universe. 689 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,680 So we kind of decided we didn't decide it just happened most of 690 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,960 the show by the way for people knowing what we're asking all 691 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,860 these questions is really an evolution. Yeah, there's no we 692 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:57,030 don't have meetings. We don't 693 00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:03,000 know. We we in fact, that's If there's a rule, we generally 694 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,610 agree not to talk about what we're going to talk about. 695 00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:08,340 Because we know that what'll happen is we'll start talking 696 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:11,880 about it. And then we bring it up on the show. And then it 697 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,150 always suck. There's like, it's like it's been rehearsed. 698 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:16,410 There's no tension there. 699 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:20,040 Right? And, you know, so. So anyway, so this evolved, but 700 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,170 what happened with that, then, of course, you ran into Jeff 701 00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:27,300 Smith. And so we ended up getting a bunch of these jingles 702 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,310 and things which some people complain about. But the fact of 703 00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:32,310 the matter is, it paces the show. Well, it is a mockery of 704 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:36,600 the of the other model, and it but it adds kind of a nice kind 705 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,760 of know what it is the atmosphere is improved by it, 706 00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:41,820 the end of mourning thing is used as a as a rim shot, 707 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,740 generally, or it should be and it is often. So I say something 708 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,100 funny, which is very common on the show. And then he hits the 709 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:51,210 bar if 710 00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:54,060 you go off on a tangent for x. 711 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:59,610 So we have a bunch of these things, which we use. And now we 712 00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:00,570 had a couple of questions. 713 00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:06,180 That's an old radio trick for a segue. It's really it helps 714 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:10,020 transition the listeners brain from one segment to the next 715 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,700 jars you for a moment there. 716 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:16,350 And if you listened to our last show, show 200 Adam was going 717 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:20,700 off the deep end on some topic and he kept talking was way 718 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,700 these two three minutes overdue to stop it. And I told him to 719 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,690 play the Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day jingle. Which I knew 720 00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:31,020 what transition it would do, you know, stop him in his tracks. 721 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,410 That's right. It also stops me. You're right. Yeah, it works 722 00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:38,250 perfectly that way. 723 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,910 So the show here's it from one of our listeners, the show you 724 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:44,460 do today is very different from the show when you first started 725 00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:48,780 eg personal anecdotes are gone. No, they're not. Audio clips and 726 00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:51,930 jingles are now prevalent. Originally less than an hour 727 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:55,230 week is now four hours a week and listeners are now asked to 728 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:58,500 contribute cash is the show where you want it to be or 729 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,410 you're planning more changes we did show it just evolved. So we 730 00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:06,210 don't plan anything all although we do things individually that 731 00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:07,710 may or may not stick. 732 00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:12,930 In fact, if anything. We're always trying and it's more like 733 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:16,860 that when I when I find something and by the way, we'll 734 00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:19,320 get into this but a lot of people send me stuff that's 735 00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:23,160 that's how I get a lot of good information. And either that's 736 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,770 good, or I'll find something else that is good that that 737 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,220 relates to it. I'm thinking Oh man, I'm gonna blow John away 738 00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,830 with this. He's gonna love this when I play this I can just hear 739 00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:33,510 what he's gonna say. That's what I'm thinking. 740 00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:37,620 Yeah, there's that in his the other time they curiously 741 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:40,620 though, we both tend to be on the same stories, which is kind 742 00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:43,680 of interesting. But we had a show I camera was about six or 743 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,740 seven shows ago where you had actually collected the clips 744 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:50,520 that were all complimentary to my Yeah, yeah, discussion. And 745 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,380 it was like, because I didn't get some of these clips that I 746 00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:55,140 wanted. You had them. And I actually thought that was the 747 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,950 most unbelievable show we've ever done. Because it it was it 748 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,150 looked rigged. 749 00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,530 Yeah, it really flowed very nicely. And that happens from 750 00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:09,450 time to time. But yeah, I'm I'm on board with the evolution we 751 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:12,240 there's nothing there's absolutely nothing is planned. I 752 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,530 have my own things. John has his things. Sometimes we might send 753 00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:20,220 each other a link from time to time and even then usually the 754 00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:22,710 link doesn't get discussed, because we saw Well, whatever 755 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:28,830 you know, it's over. But we have a couple of common interests of 756 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:32,040 things that are funny, that we think are funny, usually they 757 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,860 have to do with mainstream media. I think that's that's the 758 00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:38,040 most fun is when we when we rag on mainstream media and pull it 759 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,220 apart and simultaneously open people's eyes as to what's 760 00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:43,770 really going on in on television, 761 00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:46,320 you know, that may have been triggered by the weenie in the 762 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,580 bud episode, probably the family got because once we start once 763 00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:54,600 we can start mocking that model, we started looking at the media 764 00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,590 bitching about it generally, on a higher plane I believe than 765 00:43:58,590 --> 00:44:03,540 the people at Fox have ever thought of. And we started we 766 00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,790 realized that it was actually interested we were entertaining 767 00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:08,220 ourselves. And we knew it was very valuable information. And 768 00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:11,310 we had the time. It's not like anyone can't do this. But most 769 00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:15,180 people work for a living. If you're to have a job at Goldman 770 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,930 Sachs, and you're there till, you know, seven at night, and 771 00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:21,240 you have to get in early, whatever. And then you have to 772 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:25,170 drink all day, which seems to be what the job is about drippers 773 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,520 you don't want strippers. You don't have time to go and start 774 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,550 digging around these stories to find the one you know the 775 00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:36,690 missing element or the the kind of the crazy connection. You 776 00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:39,270 just haven't got time to do it. And then you know, the fact that 777 00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:43,890 the mainstream media doesn't do it and they don't is just makes 778 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:44,460 you wonder. 779 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:49,620 So I will say that there were two seminal moments when we had 780 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,510 our equivalent of a meeting and the one is when we spoke on the 781 00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:57,480 phone said you know what? This thing is real. This is really 782 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,500 catching on. Let's do two shows a week. that I do remember, and 783 00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,630 that was like, Well, you know, something's happening here, this 784 00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:08,670 is really special, we should just do it. And then I am going 785 00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:11,280 to call you saying, Okay, I've got a switch this around, we've 786 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,160 got cranky geeks on Wednesday. I mean, this is when we started to 787 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:17,790 really integrate the show into our daily schedule into our 788 00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:22,980 lives, because actual work does go into it. I don't know about 789 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:29,760 you, but I every single day, here's my system, I have labels 790 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,700 set up in my email like Gmail labels, and whenever I come 791 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,520 across something that I think is interesting, or that someone 792 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,740 sends me, or that I find, I'll email it, and tag it with that 793 00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:46,200 label. So I have a label now for show 201. And then, the night 794 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,850 before the show. That is, if I haven't found anything that that 795 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:54,060 showed up that I really needed to dig into, which of course, 796 00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:59,610 can take hours of extra work and investigation, then, you know, I 797 00:45:59,610 --> 00:46:04,110 sit down and I start to start to assemble everything into a huge 798 00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:06,900 outline of stuff. And then I have to read everything, you 799 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,960 know, look at all the YouTube clips. And in the meantime, 800 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,400 whenever I can, without destroying my relationship, I'm 801 00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:20,400 I'm watching C span C span, one, two and three. I'll skim by HLN, 802 00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:24,720 CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, just to see what they're doing. See, if I 803 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,510 find anything funny, I find myself watching less of Fox 804 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:31,860 these days. It's just too annoying for me. But C span I 805 00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:37,650 find to be just, I love it so much it to me that is it is 806 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,350 actual entertainment. And of course, C span has done a great 807 00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:43,470 job with their video library. Because all you have to do is 808 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:46,770 remember a line that someone said, which is typically what 809 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:50,400 I'm looking for, you go to the archive, you type it in search 810 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,010 transcripts, it'll search the transcripts and come up with 811 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:55,980 that actual piece of video and cue the video to the spot where 812 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,610 the line is it I mean, it's amazing what they've done. There 813 00:46:59,610 --> 00:46:59,790 is 814 00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:01,920 a very valuable resource. And you know, the thing is on the 815 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,980 weekend, they have this what I really like, I mean, I liked the 816 00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:08,280 regular C span, but on the weekend read this book TV. Yeah, 817 00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:11,970 they bring these various our writers in and many of them have 818 00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:14,670 written crazy books in one way or the other right wing, left 819 00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:18,240 wing everything. And they sit him down with a guy who really 820 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,700 is a good conversationalist, or sometimes somebody that's in 821 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,420 their same field of study. And they talk to him for an hour or 822 00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:28,170 more, usually an hour, and it's like a whole hour and it's 823 00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:31,980 extremely basically it's like books on tape. I mean, you get 824 00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:34,590 the whole pretty much the perspective you're looking for 825 00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:37,080 you find everything out from this person. They it's just 826 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,740 amazing. It's a it's much better than any talk show, Charlie Rose 827 00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:41,880 or any of these commercials. Yeah, 828 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,480 what's nice. What's nice about that is I know, I kind of know 829 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,830 what you're watching. So I know that I don't have to, we I must 830 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:52,500 say from time to time it happens every other week, probably 831 00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:56,550 you'll either you'll send me sometimes I send you an SMS or a 832 00:47:56,550 --> 00:48:00,510 text message saying dude, C span three now. Right? And then we'll 833 00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:02,730 both sit down and watch something at the same time. This 834 00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:05,580 has happened to me that I've been in the car, and I get like 835 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,970 a C span to now like, Oh, crap, but I looked at the C span 836 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,550 iPhone app, and I'll listen to the audio. It's like It's 837 00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,850 sickening. We're like, we're like the guys from the Muppets. 838 00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:15,660 It's 839 00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:18,630 a little crazy. Yeah, it is. But it's not as though you know. And 840 00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:20,580 the funny thing is, I don't think when we first began to 841 00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:23,910 show that we're going to get so heavily embedded into current 842 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,160 events to this extreme, like somebody says, you know, your 843 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,610 show was about you guys going out to dinner. And you know, and 844 00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:32,490 it just Yeah, it was a lot of moments, it was still discussed 845 00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,790 wine and food occasion when it comes up. And but we don't 846 00:48:35,790 --> 00:48:38,490 instead of sitting around talking about our meal, that 847 00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:41,880 people can live vicariously through our, you know, steaks 848 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,040 and, and Cabernet, it pretty much kind of just went by the 849 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,580 wayside because it wasn't. I don't know if 850 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,720 the audience also drove that. And the only way to measure that 851 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,230 is by feedback that you get and the growth of the audience. And 852 00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:01,260 it was pretty clear what people were interested in. And they 853 00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,730 were interested on our take of current events. We're interested 854 00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:09,330 in our unveiling, if you will, and this is purely because of 855 00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:14,400 our experience our unveiling of the bullshit and the, I would 856 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,140 say the deception of mainstream media. And it's n. And I think 857 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,110 it's helped a lot of people see things in a different light. And 858 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:25,320 that's what the audience wants. And you know, John, you and I 859 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,600 are both in the audience business at the end of the day. 860 00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:30,990 And yeah, and in fact, it is we you can tell by the way people 861 00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:34,110 send you notes. I mean, yeah, every once in a while some buddy 862 00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:36,990 that was there from the original show, and they kind of liked the 863 00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:39,120 fact that we have a wine tip once in a while, which I can 864 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,840 still do. Or there's some observation we made about the 865 00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,740 trends and food. That's fine, which which is now different 866 00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:49,980 than me complaining on the earlier show that show 200 about 867 00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:54,990 the raw milk issues. That's kind of a foodie thing. But the point 868 00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:57,480 is, is that the people that really got jacked up and the 869 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,840 ones are pretty much financing the show because they send in 870 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,010 big contributions and say, Wow, we like the way you deconstruct 871 00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:07,710 these stories, the way you tear them apart the way you show us. 872 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,330 Me, is it where we where you show me that this that I'm being 873 00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:15,510 led astray people, it's very valuable for people to have some 874 00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:18,900 sense of understanding of what they're being bombarded with. 875 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,770 So when did we start asking for donations? 876 00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:33,960 That began sometime in 2009. I believe we semi seriously may 877 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,800 have done something in late 2008. And as long as I can say 878 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,590 this, because I can look at the Pay Pal accounts since we did it 879 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,840 as a Pay Pal thing and we did it. At the beginning, I think 880 00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:51,510 with trepidation, not complete trepidation. But I think you may 881 00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:53,730 have had a little more night because I've always felt there 882 00:50:53,730 --> 00:51:01,260 was a model of direct support. And I was thinking about this, I 883 00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:03,120 have to keep thinking of different arguments, because you 884 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,600 know, the ones that do it the best are public broadcasting. 885 00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:07,710 And 886 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,950 you're right. That's what it was. We were talking about that. 887 00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:14,280 And then we were talking about PBS. And I said, Why Why do 888 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,380 those dickheads who are clearly shills, not all and all the 889 00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:23,310 time, but why do they get away with this? And why do people 890 00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:26,880 support that? It appears that we have a large number of people 891 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,690 who like us the same way they either currently do or used to 892 00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:32,130 like Public Broadcasting? 893 00:51:32,430 --> 00:51:36,330 Right. And Nate Van public broadcasting also has the the 894 00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:39,120 issue with the fact that they have commercials and we pick you 895 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,640 know, he really played up a couple of clips that we 896 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,870 developed. We found about, you know, the admitting that there's 897 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:46,080 the 898 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,610 let's play that one because we can't play that enough. This was 899 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:57,960 the president of PBS NPR, was the NPR Yes. NPR, being asked 900 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,310 about underwriters. Yeah, about their underwriters and how the 901 00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:04,380 state of affairs and here was our answer. Okay, 902 00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:08,610 moving on to money. How are NPRs corporate underwriting revenues 903 00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:12,000 holding up in the recession? And what about foundation grants 904 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:18,990 to different stories? Underwriting is underwriting is 905 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:22,380 is down, it's down for everybody. I mean, this is this 906 00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:25,800 is this is the area that is most down for us is in is in 907 00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,040 sponsorship, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever 908 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,490 you want. 909 00:52:30,210 --> 00:52:32,700 Right, call it whatever you want. And then I think we 910 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,580 started to open people's eyes. This is kind of the way it went, 911 00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:38,580 we started to open people's eyes about how it really worked. And 912 00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:41,070 people like wow, you know, Monsanto sponsors, this Archer 913 00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:43,440 Daniels Midland sponsors that and we're like, Well, okay, so 914 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,540 how about the objective reporting about those companies? 915 00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:49,710 Well, that doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot of it. And I think 916 00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:52,500 a lot of people, this is maybe how it really started, John, and 917 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,560 I'm just vague on it. But is people start to send us like 918 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,230 $100 and say, Well, this is what I would have normally spent on 919 00:52:58,530 --> 00:53:02,400 PBS, the national treasure, I want to spend it on you. And I 920 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,580 think that's where we said, oh, wait a minute. There's something 921 00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:05,970 here, 922 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,810 this an evolutionary show. And like with anything in evolution, 923 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,530 just the model, it's very difficult to put your finger on 924 00:53:13,530 --> 00:53:17,610 a spot. I mean, I can we can do the weenie in the bend, but spot 925 00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:19,890 and then that has some influence. And we can point 926 00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:23,490 right to it. But the rest of it is always vague because it just 927 00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:26,610 kind of evolved. It we were actually very, you know, being 928 00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:29,880 an open source show, which is another idea that we decided to 929 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,350 go with. In other words, we don't care if you steal the 930 00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:34,680 show. 931 00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:38,880 I actually do remember I was in New York with Mickey and it was 932 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,760 winter, it must have been winter 2009. And I remember I called 933 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,020 you and I said, you know, hey, this this model that we've been 934 00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:51,210 kind of, well, not really working on, but that has 935 00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:54,630 evolved. It seems to be working, we should really go for this, we 936 00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:58,050 should really try. And I think at that point, I said, Boy, I 937 00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:01,380 would love to do this full time. I would love to do nothing else. 938 00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:03,270 But this I enjoy it so much. 939 00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:09,420 Well, well, the model that I was I remember, I was always for it 940 00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:13,110 from the get go because I've always admired the model itself. 941 00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:16,350 I always admire the fact that you can get if you get give 942 00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:19,560 people what, you know, essentially you're doing it's 943 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,720 like the Max Headroom thing where they had the direct 944 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,690 numbers, you know, the guy was the show was going downhill, the 945 00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:27,330 numbers would go down, and you can see it in real time. You can 946 00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:30,600 see if we're doing the right thing, if we're doing a good job 947 00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:36,120 it directly it's not value for value. You can't go off the deep 948 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,240 end and we can't turn the show into like an analysis of the 60s 949 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,750 music. And that's all we talk about for two hours and expect 950 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:46,920 to get any money from anyone. So we're only doing it now at the 951 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,670 same time. We don't obviously don't want to be pushed around 952 00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:56,160 by the audience. We have to lead them as as opposed to just doing 953 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,010 whatever they want. So you have to have some leadership. This is 954 00:54:59,010 --> 00:55:02,130 like a company that you No, you, you don't focus group 955 00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:05,820 everything. Focus grouping takes you, it shows you what they used 956 00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:08,280 to like. But if you want to move the show in new directions or 957 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,160 tried different things, you actually have to experiment with 958 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,650 it, but you will get that feedback, you're gonna get a 959 00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:17,340 push backs. And now you know, this sucks. Don't do that again. 960 00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:21,630 And you know, and then the donations go way down. So it's 961 00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:26,190 an interesting tightrope walk, but it's direct support from the 962 00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,250 listeners. And, and people have come up with all kinds of 963 00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:33,930 different complaints about it. You know, you know, why do we 964 00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:39,240 Why do I have to spend $100, because I go see a movie for 50 965 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,460 bucks, and they put a lot of money into making those movies 966 00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:43,980 and you guys don't put any money into making this show. And they, 967 00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:48,150 this is kind of weird kind of complaints about production 968 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:50,970 costs I've been getting every once in a while on, and I might, 969 00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,790 I'd never had a real good retort for it. Except Well, it's you 970 00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:55,830 know, it's difference like you're paying for books on tape 971 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,230 is like a book, we're really competing with books on tape, 972 00:55:58,230 --> 00:56:01,770 we're not competing with avatar. And then I started thinking, 973 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520 we're also competing with radio, but you know, radio, you get 22 974 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,390 minutes an hour of action? Well, less radio is terrible. 17 975 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:12,660 minutes of programming and 13 minutes of commercials, you 976 00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:13,920 know, make your choice. 977 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,950 Right? And then how much is your time worth? So I've used that 978 00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:19,140 argument. But then I also find another one, which I really 979 00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:22,560 haven't exploited on the show. But, you know, because people 980 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,510 didn't, it's production. Well, it costs a lot of money to make 981 00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:28,980 a movie. What about a novel, novels are one of the first in 982 00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,040 that one of the first businesses that are directly user 983 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,780 supported? Good point, you buy a book, good point. And you read 984 00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:38,700 the book, and you've you know, you've already paid your money. 985 00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,250 Although, of course, unlike our show, the book you pay in 986 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:46,290 advance for the book, and you pay in advance for the for the 987 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,660 avatar movie, you pay in advance for a lot of these things. We 988 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,050 don't do that we're more of the church model where you, you 989 00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:53,820 know, if you don't like to serve, and you don't want to put 990 00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:57,210 anything in the coffers, but it's the same thing. Your books 991 00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:00,990 are user supported. And when there's no ads in a book, 992 00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:04,350 no and what and once you get over the personal hurdle coming 993 00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:09,930 from mainstream, whereby the way we hate commercials, I've always 994 00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:11,220 hated commercials. I hate 995 00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:13,590 that's where the DVR is such a godsend. Oh, but I 996 00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:17,100 mean, just even as a creative as a creator of content, or like, 997 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,130 you know, I gotta I gotta hit the commercial break. I gotta 998 00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:21,180 wait for the commercial. Yeah. 999 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,210 Terribly. You got to interrupt your flow. Watch one of these 1000 00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:27,090 shows anyone listening to this on Fox, or anyplace else, and 1001 00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:29,670 they get somebody in a really heated debate. But they're on a 1002 00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:30,600 hard break. 1003 00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:36,180 Yeah. I've seen this with Tom Brokaw and the president. And 1004 00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:39,120 they got some some guy screaming in his ear counting down to 1005 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,460 commercial. And the President's actually just saying something 1006 00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:45,360 really interesting. It's annoying. It's very, very 1007 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,800 annoying as a creator to go through that. But then it was 1008 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,660 kind of weird. At least for me, it was, you know, you feel 1009 00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:58,890 embarrassed to ask people for money. And there is a 1010 00:57:58,890 --> 00:58:03,510 psychological hurdle. And but once you're over that, some got 1011 00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:03,750 over 1012 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:04,710 it pretty quickly. Yeah, it's 1013 00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:06,450 easy sailing. You know, it's like, Hey, 1014 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,400 I had I had some pushback from the family. Like, and I won't 1015 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,790 say who, but they know who they are. Yeah. Oh, Holly, can you 1016 00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:18,120 bring yourself to begging for money for this? How can you do 1017 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,060 that? It's beneath you? Can't you get some advertisers? I 1018 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,120 don't want any advertisers. If I can get money directly from the 1019 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,200 listeners? I mean, why would I want that? product, it just 1020 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,900 ruins the product. I mean, there's nobody and the thing is 1021 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,870 the most of the people have not, we've taken it to one of the 1022 00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:37,440 reasons that we do this show. And we do this the money asking 1023 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,770 for money and support donations, is because whatever you want to 1024 00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:47,190 call it, is because it gets us closer to the audience was 1025 00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,770 actually a good close connection, you know, you know, 1026 00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:52,500 you know what you're getting for your money. It just, it just 1027 00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:54,000 makes you feel more honest. 1028 00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:56,820 And then there's another thing we did, which I know was my 1029 00:58:56,820 --> 00:59:00,990 initiative, and I think it helped us in a number of ways is 1030 00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:05,250 we decided to stream it live when we do the show. And that 1031 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:08,520 did a number of things. One it gave at least me, I appreciate 1032 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,240 the instant feedback loop of the chat room. Now. I can't watch it 1033 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,440 all the time. But sometimes a punch line will come through and 1034 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,500 they're always on a 25 second delay. So it's interesting how 1035 00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,260 that works. But a punch line will come through or someone 1036 00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:26,970 might drop a link in there. But I personally, even even if I 1037 00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:29,100 didn't have the chat room, just knowing that people are 1038 00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:32,850 listening live at that moment gives me an energy that I've 1039 00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:36,330 always loved doing things live I'm not a big fan of recording. 1040 00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:39,600 If I'm if I have to record something, it's got to be live 1041 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,540 to tape like I do daily source code like you do cranky geeks, 1042 00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:46,710 all of that stream live as well now, I just want to live live 1043 00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:49,860 live because then you can leave all the warts in there and all 1044 00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:52,350 the all the crazy shit and actually makes it more 1045 00:59:52,350 --> 00:59:56,730 interesting when it's not highly produced. And it also forces us 1046 00:59:56,730 --> 01:00:00,210 to kind of you know, I think before we're doing it live I was 1047 01:00:00,210 --> 01:00:03,090 like, hey, what time should we do the show? Well, I got this. I 1048 01:00:03,090 --> 01:00:07,920 got that now. It's like, there's my schedule is Thursday morning. 1049 01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:13,650 I get up, I get up same 630. I get up. And from then on out, 1050 01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:17,220 it's no agenda Sunday morning, 630. I get up from then on. It's 1051 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:17,850 no agenda. I 1052 01:00:17,850 --> 01:00:19,920 know, I had the same thing he said, but occasionally we've had 1053 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,680 to move the show to Wednesday night. It hasn't. We haven't had 1054 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,840 that in a long time. But we're gonna have it next month, 1055 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,870 because I have a travel thing that's interrupting both shows. 1056 01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:31,170 Which brings me to a wait, let me finish one more thing about 1057 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:34,230 the donations. One of the things that when we went into the 1058 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:38,760 donation thing we started asking for, for money, direct support 1059 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,660 from the listeners. This has never really been, I've been 1060 01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:45,960 figuring this out. Because it's a form of marketing. It's that 1061 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,900 interests me but one of the things that I that people say 1062 01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:50,790 wow, you can't me yeah, how are you? I'm sure you're starving to 1063 01:00:50,790 --> 01:00:53,610 death. And you can't do it. Once you get an advertiser, they 1064 01:00:53,610 --> 01:00:58,440 always say, no one except us. And I believe me, I haven't seen 1065 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,230 anything close. And I there may be some religious programming 1066 01:01:01,230 --> 01:01:04,140 that I'm not aware of. But nobody doing podcasting, 1067 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,550 professional level, good quality podcasting, as we're doing has 1068 01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:13,890 taken it serious. Yeah, we are seriously you know, we have 1069 01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,500 programs, we can't wait the night thing, we've got a 1070 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:17,130 different kinds of, 1071 01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:21,390 don't call it a tip jar. We don't work for tips, 1072 01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:24,660 do this, we're seriously doing this. And it's like, take it or 1073 01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:28,200 leave it, this is the model we're working with. It's gonna 1074 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480 be a lot better the product, you're gonna get a lot better. 1075 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,940 If you ever get anything out of it, you get something out of it, 1076 01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:36,180 you know, contribute? I mean, just the way you would this is 1077 01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:36,630 new, 1078 01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:40,080 do you feel the show serves as more than just a source of 1079 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,110 entertainment? If yes, what do you hope to accomplish? Well, 1080 01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:48,870 first of all, let me say, from my perspective, I absolutely see 1081 01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:52,920 this as a form of entertainment. I hope everyone is entertained 1082 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,950 by our show, they have to if you're not entertained, we have 1083 01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:59,670 blown it. You have there has to be a moment where an 1084 01:01:59,670 --> 01:02:02,730 entertainment comes in, in different ways. It can be funny, 1085 01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:06,000 it can be dramatic, it can be sad, it can be frightening, 1086 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120 whatever emotion button we're hitting, it has to be 1087 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,050 entertainment. Otherwise, why Listen, number just be boring. 1088 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,690 I remember somebody sent us a link. So well, there's a couple 1089 01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:18,210 people that do a show like yours. And they send us a link 1090 01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:21,660 to somebody show that was very much like ours, they 1091 01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:25,170 deconstructed the news a bit. They tended not to have our 1092 01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:27,720 perspectives, but they you know, they did a fairly decent job. 1093 01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:32,820 And it was so dull. They had no it was just like this academic 1094 01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:36,990 Drew, you can't get you know, it's just the modern audience is 1095 01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,050 the modern audience. And and no matter how intellectual you 1096 01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:43,920 might think you are, you will be better served by someone who 1097 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,480 feed you information in a way that keeps your attention. And 1098 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,550 to keep your attention. You have to have an element of 1099 01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:53,010 entertainment. Our personalities, generally 1100 01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:57,150 speaking, I think are are are the entertainment. 1101 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,440 Also, and I've only had this one I humor? Of course, yes. 1102 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,580 Obviously. I've only had this one other time in my career, the 1103 01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:09,000 sometimes you just find these magical combinations. And it's 1104 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,910 not by design, you can't train for it, you can't go to school 1105 01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:15,480 for it. It just happens. And you have these combos that just 1106 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,570 work. And this is one of those that just work. In fact, my 1107 01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:21,150 biggest fear now. And I know what yours is, John, but my 1108 01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:23,880 biggest fear is you're going to roll over and die one day and 1109 01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:27,180 the show will be over. And I know you're in use at least 1110 01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:28,140 you're afraid 1111 01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:31,260 I'm gonna go crazy and leave Mickey and go off the deep end. 1112 01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:32,220 I mean, I know what you're 1113 01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:36,960 thinking. Yeah, I think that can happen any minute. Our pledge 1114 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,070 asks on Twitter, Mr. Devaraj, your campaign seems to have the 1115 01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:43,470 momentum of a runaway freight train. 1116 01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:44,700 Hey, there's the 1117 01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,710 meme. Why are you so popular? I think we answered that question 1118 01:03:49,710 --> 01:03:54,420 just now. Also, the no agenda chat folks, one of the 1119 01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:56,670 moderators should be invited. They've donated a lot of their 1120 01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:58,230 time when they're invited to listen to the show and we're 1121 01:03:58,230 --> 01:04:01,020 done with it. We next time, maybe we can do something more 1122 01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:01,470 for them. 1123 01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:04,890 This show is the first one a long time that we're not 1124 01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,520 streaming live but also this is a different type of show. We're 1125 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,580 just kind of so let's answer the second part of that question 1126 01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:15,000 though. What do you hope to accomplish what do you hope to 1127 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,440 accomplish John with this show? 1128 01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:20,820 I think at Sutton and this is going to be this sounds really 1129 01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:25,110 this is not going to sound good. Because that because it makes 1130 01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:29,610 you sad there's a kind of a you'll you'll see what I eat 1131 01:04:29,610 --> 01:04:34,410 cake. No, no, I think that we I think honestly believe that 1132 01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:39,540 we're doing a serious public service to bring people 1133 01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:41,940 generally peep people that are listening to the show. I've 1134 01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:44,130 always believed this would be even when I'm a writer, people 1135 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,710 always say well what do you what? When I'm writing like in 1136 01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:49,200 PC Magazine when I was writing all those years and inside 1137 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,530 track, I always had a vision of what what was I trying to 1138 01:04:52,530 --> 01:04:55,080 accomplish and what I was trying to accomplish because I knew it 1139 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,780 would get me more readers a bit busy for selfish reason. By the 1140 01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:01,320 way, I knew it to get me more readers Mike concept was if I 1141 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,280 could if somebody read my column, and they're working in a 1142 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,840 cubicle, and my, my column was designed to give them an edge 1143 01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:13,080 over the guy in the other cubicle who wasn't reading my 1144 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,950 column. And I've always believed that that this is your, you 1145 01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:19,920 know, the value proposition. It's a phrase I hate. But it was 1146 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,050 one of the things I've always it's always in the back of my 1147 01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:26,280 mind. I'm trying to give people some edge over the people who 1148 01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:28,020 aren't paying attention to me, 1149 01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:32,400 oh, no, this is basically we want you the audience to be able 1150 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,310 to get laid because you sound smarter listening to us. 1151 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,940 Exactly. I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that it? Or a job 1152 01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:40,200 or a promotion or 1153 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,320 anything? It can enrich your life? Because you had that one 1154 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,830 little bit of information that someone went, Oh, like I said, 1155 01:05:46,830 --> 01:05:49,590 something interesting. She has an interesting take on stuff. 1156 01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:56,460 And for me, it's that maybe it just that this is for you. No, 1157 01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:59,310 I'll tell you what it is. This is I think I was born to do 1158 01:05:59,310 --> 01:06:02,610 this. I think everyone was born to do something. And it took me 1159 01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:06,060 a long time with a lot of detours. And I've been counting 1160 01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:09,330 down the hits. And I've you know, I've pretended to run 1161 01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:14,250 companies with varying degrees of success but but basically 1162 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,660 writing off of fame and fortune, which in itself is interesting. 1163 01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:23,820 To have a perspective from from that angle. But this I love 1164 01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:27,120 this. I so love it. And you know, people say, Man, you work 1165 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,340 really hard. You do a lot. We have house guests, and they'll 1166 01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:31,680 be like, Oh, my God, Adams always on my thing. And he's 1167 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,130 editing and he's recording stuff. I love it. And it's not 1168 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,520 it doesn't even feel like work. I love this. I love what we do. 1169 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,560 I love what I do. But and that's also completely selfish. But to 1170 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,310 get you laid, 1171 01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:48,480 hey, no, no good, actually good. works generally are selfish at 1172 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,810 some level. Because you you know, if you think you're 1173 01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:54,390 helping somebody, sometimes it's selfish because you get a good 1174 01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:57,210 feeling from it. And that's a selfish thing. Although it 1175 01:06:57,210 --> 01:06:59,760 wouldn't be defined as such by anybody in their right mind. 1176 01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:02,580 So let's talk about the open source model for just well wait, 1177 01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:03,090 before we do 1178 01:07:03,090 --> 01:07:05,250 that, since you brought kind of brought it up. I want to bring 1179 01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:07,890 in Simon Smith's question from Twitter, which says when we 1180 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:10,920 offer relationship advice on no agenda, my wife doesn't react 1181 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,080 well to the hookers and blow angle. 1182 01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:16,050 Really? She should try it. 1183 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,540 What does that mean? I don't know. Some people just you know, 1184 01:07:21,540 --> 01:07:21,690 we 1185 01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:27,720 do get i Here's a certain thing. Two things I hear. One is people 1186 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,930 don't like the hookers and blow because they it puts some people 1187 01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:36,390 off. Okay. That's just who we are. I guess. And we find it 1188 01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:40,380 amusing. You know, I don't think, John, I've never done 1189 01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:44,190 blow. And I certainly have never done the combination of hookers 1190 01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:45,660 and blow at the same time. 1191 01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:49,800 So sure, you admit to doing hookers? Yeah, absolutely. 1192 01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:51,450 You'd like you've never done hookers. 1193 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,220 And I don't discuss these things in public. Or was this odd? By 1194 01:07:56,220 --> 01:08:02,070 the way the hookers situation is a cycle and the 30s of the 70s 1195 01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:04,920 Big Lots of hookers. And so we're gonna get we're going into 1196 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,510 a new cycle of hookers in probably starting around 2012 1197 01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:10,200 This way, 1198 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,530 I am not against hookers. I think that there's a lot of bad 1199 01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:17,970 stuff that happens in the sex industry. But if you know 1200 01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:21,900 there's a lot of women who support their children and and 1201 01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:24,600 themselves and if that's what they want to do, and it can be 1202 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,300 done in a safe manner power to you. I grew up in Amsterdam. I 1203 01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:31,230 saw it working quite well. Thank you. What's the problem is when 1204 01:08:31,230 --> 01:08:35,070 it gets driven underground. That's a whole separate show. 1205 01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:36,990 So now what was your right now? What was your 1206 01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:40,890 the second one? People say? Well, I tried to help people 1207 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:43,440 listen to the show. But then they hear the opening and the 1208 01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:47,460 hole in the morning thing. I think it's some BS, top 40 You 1209 01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:49,590 know, weenie in the butt show. And then they don't listen. 1210 01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:53,610 And I don't know what we can do about that nothing. 1211 01:08:53,610 --> 01:08:56,580 But I actually like it because you have to once you get over 1212 01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:02,310 that hump, then then you can get kind of sucked in. So no, that's 1213 01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:04,830 also a mask that's probably important. Can you imagine like 1214 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,300 some meeting going on at the NSA or the CIA and they're like, 1215 01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:12,300 we've got to get rid of these guys. I hear bad things about 1216 01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:15,180 that Korean War analysts listen to the show. And they hear this 1217 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:18,030 whole in the morning bit. And like, wow, that can't be 1218 01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:18,570 anything. 1219 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,650 Definitely puts like puts people or 1220 01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:26,040 maybe echelon. You know, Echelon is sniffing a show. And they're 1221 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,940 like, Oh, this is 1222 01:09:28,050 --> 01:09:30,300 just what you said. The guy goes into a meeting says these guys 1223 01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:33,420 are they're subversive, these two guys. And the guy says 1224 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:35,340 really? Well, let me hear what let me hear the show. And then 1225 01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:38,790 they start playing it with that opening. That Greg Vaughn 1226 01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:44,700 buzzkill, the guy says, Get the hell out of my office you 1227 01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:45,180 practice 1228 01:09:46,529 --> 01:09:51,809 by the way that is now that you mentioned it. I purposely love 1229 01:09:51,869 --> 01:09:54,569 and I don't know who came up with the moniker but I love 1230 01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,939 being called the crackpot because it is the ultimate 1231 01:09:56,939 --> 01:10:00,959 shield. The ultimate because some of the stuff We say and I 1232 01:10:00,959 --> 01:10:04,289 think we get pretty close to the truth and a lot of issues. I 1233 01:10:04,289 --> 01:10:06,779 would rather people say, Oh, he's just a conspiracy theorist. 1234 01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,139 He's just a crackpot. Because that will save me from getting 1235 01:10:10,139 --> 01:10:13,199 killed. We've talked about 1236 01:10:13,499 --> 01:10:17,099 Yeah, excellent. I think it's a good theory. And it's it's a 1237 01:10:17,099 --> 01:10:20,009 likeable theory. But that, you know, we shot to track down the 1238 01:10:20,009 --> 01:10:24,629 guy who coined crackpot and buzzkill it was an email I got 1239 01:10:24,629 --> 01:10:27,359 and we mentioned on the next show, we mentioned it and you 1240 01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:29,759 thought it was great to be called the crackpot. Yeah, I 1241 01:10:29,759 --> 01:10:33,059 love and so then we our artwork started to have a crackpot and 1242 01:10:33,059 --> 01:10:36,449 buzzkill put on it. So we just reiterated the whole thing we 1243 01:10:36,449 --> 01:10:36,689 should. 1244 01:10:36,959 --> 01:10:40,859 So now please, let's move into that open source nature of the 1245 01:10:40,859 --> 01:10:44,789 show. So two amazing things which are a part of the model, a 1246 01:10:44,789 --> 01:10:48,779 part of the openness and the freedom and the and the support 1247 01:10:48,779 --> 01:10:53,369 of through donations is we don't own anything. We don't well, I 1248 01:10:53,369 --> 01:10:55,799 mean, I guess technically, if you really looked at it, we do a 1249 01:10:55,799 --> 01:10:59,609 microphone. Yeah. But the show is whatever it is. And we have 1250 01:10:59,609 --> 01:11:05,009 people cutting this up, splicing it, putting it into all kinds of 1251 01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:10,709 making rants, ringtones, making trans music out of it. But we 1252 01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:14,279 also have people who who create things. So a lot of our jingles 1253 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,009 by the way, we could use a lot more and we'd love them. But we 1254 01:11:17,009 --> 01:11:19,499 are very critical. We don't just use everything people send in a 1255 01:11:19,499 --> 01:11:21,989 lot of people send in stuff that we just feel is not good enough. 1256 01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:29,879 We have artwork, and we have two main artists, sir Randy Asher 1257 01:11:29,879 --> 01:11:34,589 and Sir Paul T. And they, you know, these guys have jobs, they 1258 01:11:34,589 --> 01:11:38,909 do stuff, who knows what they do. And they they spend their 1259 01:11:38,909 --> 01:11:43,109 time they create artwork for us for almost every single show. 1260 01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:45,959 Now there's no agenda art.com where people can drop art. And 1261 01:11:45,959 --> 01:11:48,839 we've used the art from different artists, if anything, 1262 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,689 we so after every show, people should know we have a 1263 01:11:51,689 --> 01:11:54,449 discussion. So the first thing we say is what do we think of 1264 01:11:54,449 --> 01:11:58,319 the show? And there's been a couple of times we said, Well, 1265 01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,959 that sucked. And we're pretty brutal with each other. Although 1266 01:12:00,959 --> 01:12:03,689 John never agrees with my criticism of him. If I say, 1267 01:12:03,689 --> 01:12:05,969 Well, you sucked on that. It's like, No, that was really good. 1268 01:12:07,709 --> 01:12:10,379 And if you criticize me, you're usually right. And I just take 1269 01:12:10,379 --> 01:12:16,379 it like a man. Hi. So we we talk about that. And then we talk 1270 01:12:16,379 --> 01:12:16,919 about 1271 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,950 what's actually it's important post mortem that most 1272 01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:20,880 publications do. 1273 01:12:20,970 --> 01:12:24,840 Yeah. Then we'll say what, what do we call the show? So we think 1274 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,470 about what will get the best SEO results? What will people be 1275 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:32,190 searching, we want all those accidental hits. And then we 1276 01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:34,950 have to choose from the artwork. And that is sometimes the 1277 01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:39,180 hardest part because it's so good. We don't want to have one 1278 01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:42,270 guy put off over the other guy because they both sent them 1279 01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:45,030 something great is that's a hard choice sometimes. 1280 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:48,600 Yeah, it's amazing. We have, and there's other artists waiting in 1281 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,170 the wings that contribute on an occasional basis. We have some 1282 01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:56,280 tremendous support from these guys. And then you know, Asher 1283 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,640 set up his own t shirt shop and through I don't know what 1284 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,690 mechanism and you know, we 1285 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,230 Genda stuff that calm stuff. Yeah. 1286 01:13:04,350 --> 01:13:07,230 And we have, you know, all these guys, and we've encouraged it, 1287 01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:09,780 and we don't we don't have our name, trademark. Somebody came 1288 01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,420 up with an email the other day that said, Senator, I think I 1289 01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:15,690 got a good promotional idea. Why don't you trademark in the 1290 01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:19,260 morning. And then every time you hear anybody saying it on any 1291 01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:22,440 show whatsoever, send them a cease and desist order, and then 1292 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,680 they'll promote you. And you'll get free publicity, although 1293 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,040 it's actually a funny idea. But it's not our model at all. 1294 01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:33,480 It sounds like work. And that's one thing we hate to do any 1295 01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:37,740 work, we actually don't want to do anything. We just want to do 1296 01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:40,590 this show. We don't want to have any extra work. We don't want to 1297 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:44,940 do any extra promotion stuff that involves leaving a 1298 01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:45,570 computer. 1299 01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:51,780 How are we going to interrupt right there and talk about some 1300 01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:54,240 of the things that we talked about on that show. And then 1301 01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:57,810 also, we're going to maybe do a little bit of a reiteration of 1302 01:13:57,810 --> 01:14:02,550 what our commentary was two years later, where we corrected 1303 01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:06,360 ourselves because after two years from 2010 to 2012, a lot 1304 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,330 changed. A lot change. And we're going to discuss a little bit of 1305 01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:11,280 that and we'll get back to the show. But let's talk about a 1306 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,680 couple of things. I wrote down some notes on this. Can I say 1307 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:13,980 something 1308 01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:20,400 first? Sure. I want to thank you for putting up with my shit. We 1309 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,530 cut the whole middle part the same state 1310 01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:25,410 I didn't know you know what I mean? You get the viewer 1311 01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:26,430 insulting in some 1312 01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:31,710 Yes. And I apologize for that. But it one point you said that 1313 01:14:31,710 --> 01:14:34,260 we're talking about, you know, what is our greatest fear? I'm 1314 01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:36,570 like, Oh, I'm afraid that you know you're gonna drop dead one 1315 01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:41,820 day won't have a show. And then you and you were afraid of I 1316 01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:46,350 would leave Mickey and go crazy. So you had part of it right? 1317 01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:50,790 You love Mickey? He went crazy. Wow. No, no. 1318 01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:56,430 No, but I listen, I'm like, Wow, man. You know, you certainly 1319 01:14:56,430 --> 01:15:00,990 certainly into in the in the earlier part of the Have the 1320 01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:04,500 sequence of shows that he has no agenda. You put up a lot of a 1321 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,050 lot of my crap, and I appreciate it. You start out with me, you 1322 01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:07,950 hung in there. 1323 01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:11,160 Well, I knew we had something going. And then you 1324 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,190 had this episode 100 where I wanted to quit. 1325 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:17,580 Yeah, you actually wanted to quit. Full time. How 1326 01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:20,430 stupid was that? No, I got a couple of 1327 01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:23,370 100. By the way, it was the deuce club show we did very 1328 01:15:23,370 --> 01:15:27,420 well, we had a lot of support. And we're changing our club 1329 01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:30,300 structure. So we can so people can all be deduced club members 1330 01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:34,320 will be part of the the club. Yeah. I'll figure out some how 1331 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,500 to wait to put that together shortly. But let's start talking 1332 01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:41,130 about a few of the things that we discussed in the interim that 1333 01:15:41,130 --> 01:15:45,570 have changed and one of them was show prep. Okay. You made a wish 1334 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,420 you'd had a different way of doing show prep in 2010. You 1335 01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:51,870 changed it a little bit in 2012, which was then you talked about 1336 01:15:51,870 --> 01:15:55,980 it. Now your show prep is completely different. to an 1337 01:15:55,980 --> 01:15:58,800 extreme, I'd say, and what is it now? 1338 01:15:58,830 --> 01:16:03,420 Okay. Yes, that's a good question. Dave Jones, who was 1339 01:16:03,420 --> 01:16:07,290 one of our producers, who lives in Alabama, he's a dude named 1340 01:16:07,290 --> 01:16:11,670 Ben for, I think a tax preparation firm, as small or 1341 01:16:11,670 --> 01:16:16,230 smallish firm. And he and I were we were kind of working on Dave 1342 01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:21,060 Winer, was a big outliner guy, besides, you know, working 1343 01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:24,690 together at podcasting, but he's always been about organizing 1344 01:16:24,690 --> 01:16:29,040 information and outline, I've naturally drawn to the idea of 1345 01:16:30,510 --> 01:16:33,360 the organizing information and outliner with expanding you 1346 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,200 know, trees, and you can see what's underneath it. And Dave 1347 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,720 Jones just on his own time, and this has been going on for I 1348 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,180 think we're now in our fifth year have been building the 1349 01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:44,730 system, which we call the freedom controller, which is 1350 01:16:44,730 --> 01:16:47,520 open source, you can download it run on your own server, you can 1351 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,680 do anything you can you can replicate everything we're 1352 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,130 doing. It's you know, it has documentation to and updates, 1353 01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:58,650 where we have this template for each show that has a lot of the 1354 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,450 initial things that are in there. But also there's an 1355 01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:04,860 entire system whenever I see an article that I think is 1356 01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:07,470 interesting, or if you send me a link that to that is an article 1357 01:17:07,470 --> 01:17:10,350 that's interesting, I have a bookmarklet on my phone and bet 1358 01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:15,570 any any browser I have, and it will not only it will place that 1359 01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:19,500 article into an outline into an outline format, and also save an 1360 01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:23,790 offline copy. A stripped down kind of like a What does that 1361 01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:27,390 mean abstract? Well, it's just without it's just without 1362 01:17:27,390 --> 01:17:31,140 formatting. It's without the format it Yeah, but it says it 1363 01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:33,330 has everything in there, including the images, it will 1364 01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:37,290 save all of that. And what's cool about it is, you know, I 1365 01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:39,810 set up all these topics, and then I can drag and drop all the 1366 01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:43,290 sound files in that we use after the fact. And pretty much the 1367 01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:47,190 show prep is already the show notes. So when we're done, often 1368 01:17:47,190 --> 01:17:50,730 we're still doing our post show post mortem on our gossip. And 1369 01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:54,570 then I'll pretty much I hit publish. And it turns the show 1370 01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:58,380 notes, all the stuff that we use into the show prep into the show 1371 01:17:58,380 --> 01:18:03,360 notes. It's a it's a dynamite system, it is one for me, at 1372 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,970 least on the production side, it is it really, really completes 1373 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:12,030 the whole product that we're making. And because it's all 1374 01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:16,620 structured data, we've had these great developers who have been 1375 01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:20,640 able to create apps, but also the search 1376 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,810 search.na shownotes.com. All of that flows very easily, very 1377 01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:27,810 automatically into anything because of the format that it's 1378 01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:31,110 in. That's the main, the main difference, it also saves me 1379 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:36,540 hours and hours of time I can even if you send me an email, 1380 01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:38,490 and I did want to talk about that from it, if you send me an 1381 01:18:38,490 --> 01:18:43,410 email that I put it into a folder on my on my IMAP email 1382 01:18:43,410 --> 01:18:46,890 system. And then when I'm doing my show prep, usually the 1383 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:50,520 evening before the show, I can hit import, and it'll import all 1384 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,130 of the emails that I've saved, which just have you know, text 1385 01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:55,410 or something interesting that someone said, and I can go in 1386 01:18:55,410 --> 01:18:59,700 and edit out any, any email address or anything I want to. 1387 01:19:00,210 --> 01:19:04,020 So it everything flows into this one system. And it's really 1388 01:19:04,020 --> 01:19:08,520 dynamite. It's I think that every podcast should be using it 1389 01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:09,330 when honestly. 1390 01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:14,190 Well the night before, what do you do that you say show prep, 1391 01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:15,870 this is kind of show prep, right? 1392 01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:19,290 So the night before I well it does the night before in the 1393 01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:21,480 morning before and I don't have to get up as early as you do. 1394 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:24,030 But I get up at seven and the show starts at 11 for me so I 1395 01:19:24,030 --> 01:19:27,750 have all this time. The night before, that's really when I go 1396 01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:31,500 crazy, just getting as many clips recording clips, doing as 1397 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:35,100 much as I can, which will also be intermingled with if I have 1398 01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:37,440 an analysis of something. So if there's a document if there's 1399 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,260 legislation if there's something else, I'll really spend a lot of 1400 01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:42,690 time the evening before I typically don't go to bed before 1401 01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:46,170 one or 2am So it's a short night, but that gets in the 1402 01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:48,330 morning and then I hit so the clips are kind of all ready to 1403 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:52,530 go. And then I start organizing all of the topics into the 1404 01:19:52,530 --> 01:19:54,930 familiar if you'd look at the show notes into all the familiar 1405 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,340 sub headings of of different of different topics that we 1406 01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:04,380 discuss. And then just before the show, you know, I organized 1407 01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:08,040 the clips into little folders, you send your clips. I don't 1408 01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,950 listen to him. I just drop them right in. I don't even really 1409 01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:12,690 look at him at all. If you say you've 1410 01:20:12,690 --> 01:20:15,090 decided not to listen to my clip, I've never listened to it 1411 01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:18,780 for the purposes of extemporaneous discussion, 1412 01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:23,670 surprised. I mean, yeah, that's the way our whole theory. I 1413 01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:27,450 think we talked about it. And we do we do. Yeah, our whole theory 1414 01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:30,330 is, and this is based on a lot of different things we both 1415 01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:35,670 experience is the pre interview and the rehearsal. Yeah. If you 1416 01:20:35,670 --> 01:20:40,230 do, like, yeah, life is drained from a show like this, if we 1417 01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:45,870 rehearsed. So it's done as a performance. Performance Art, 1418 01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:50,100 it's done like, like improv. And a lot of people are surprised by 1419 01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,560 it, because we are so good working together, which is the 1420 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,230 reason that you like working with me is that I am fairly good 1421 01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,790 and not as good as I could be at cueing you to. So I'd be saying 1422 01:20:59,790 --> 01:21:03,090 something and it's a cue for a clip, you'll be looking for the 1423 01:21:03,090 --> 01:21:06,840 clip. And then I say, and then you can't believe what he said, 1424 01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:10,200 boom, the clip starts playing. Yeah. And that's all this 1425 01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:13,080 engineering talent that you have. And your ability to do. 1426 01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,830 That is why it was It surprises people. We talked about this off 1427 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:20,220 the air, about how we do have a lot of radio people that listen, 1428 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:20,610 they think 1429 01:21:20,610 --> 01:21:24,300 we have a whole staff and we have messaging lights, and 1430 01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:29,310 you're starting clips or no idea. I want my morning show to 1431 01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:31,800 sound like that. I said, well, good luck with that, buddy. 1432 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:32,700 That's not gonna happen. 1433 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:37,020 So it's all single handed, which is, and slick. We do have 1434 01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:39,990 dropped the ball occasionally. And something I have to stop the 1435 01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:42,570 clip because I didn't set it up completely. And Adams jumped in 1436 01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:45,660 the guy. And sometimes you're in a queue and there wasn't one 1437 01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:46,740 there, or you'll be cute, 1438 01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:49,290 or you'll be you'll be talking about a clip and like, what is 1439 01:21:49,290 --> 01:21:51,630 it but then instead of digital, it'll be 1440 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:54,330 play the wrong clip on occasion. 1441 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,840 You just misspell clips sometimes? No, and 1442 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:04,590 that's sometimes often I have a tendency to want to wreck doing 1443 01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:06,840 the clips out here. Just type something in that I think I'm 1444 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,980 hitting the right keys. If it goes and I never edit it, so it 1445 01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:12,390 goes in this you know something, 1446 01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:14,910 because it might have your clips alphabetically. 1447 01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:23,910 The story about Jordan could be ended up as y j, p, Jad n. S T 1448 01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:24,420 Y. 1449 01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:28,320 I've learned I've learned to vote yes or why some learn to 1450 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,040 work around it. 1451 01:22:29,070 --> 01:22:32,400 But I know that's why, in fact, if you hadn't learned to work 1452 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,400 around it, I'd probably put more effort into making this spelling 1453 01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:35,910 correct. 1454 01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:39,450 There's something else that has changed in the interim since our 1455 01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:47,040 last since to 200.6. Podcasting has seen a resurgence. And as 1456 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:47,160 the 1457 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,730 mainstream media picks what I think I think about this, I'm 1458 01:22:50,730 --> 01:22:55,080 sure you do too, but it's almost as if the mainstream media and 1459 01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:59,070 the broadcast media, the radio people for sure, have said it 1460 01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:02,190 finally came into a meeting and said, you think that these guys 1461 01:23:02,190 --> 01:23:05,100 could actually, you know, replace us because they don't 1462 01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:08,760 have really the overhead we have right? Well, we can do 1463 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,870 podcasting, too. 1464 01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:12,600 That's right. The union said Oh, no. Oh, no. 1465 01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:15,630 So you so they start doing podcasting and all of a sudden 1466 01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:18,330 they're interested and so they write articles about it. Yeah. 1467 01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:21,870 Yeah, of course. We're generally even though we're I'd say 1468 01:23:21,870 --> 01:23:25,350 pioneers having going on our eighth year. We never get 1469 01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:28,380 mentioned in these articles. No, just barely mentioned each 1470 01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:32,520 other. Oh, PBS has got early a podcast about about gemstones. 1471 01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:36,810 Yeah, well, the big difference. And this is something that we 1472 01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:41,160 just naturally understood and have done from day one, radio or 1473 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:46,290 television, any type of linear media. They always do 59 minutes 1474 01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:49,500 and 58 seconds it's going to be exactly an hour that you know 1475 01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,900 everything is back times. You know, Bo, we're going to talk 1476 01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:54,930 this lot in fact, if you look at scripts even for podcasts that 1477 01:23:54,930 --> 01:24:00,510 NPR does, it's the it's the script that has the seconds next 1478 01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:03,810 to it so each line is a second right. You know what I mean to 1479 01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:08,130 Chris and we don't have to worry about the next show we don't 1480 01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:11,880 have to worry about hitting a sponsor break no heartbreak no 1481 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,270 heartbreaks no news if we can go as long as when we can start 1482 01:24:15,690 --> 01:24:19,080 with the hour now we can start whenever we want a graphic on 1483 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,800 the eighth or the yes or the threes or the sixes and we take 1484 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,120 it we have from the get go seeing that I think is 1485 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,600 completely liberating like Oh, I could you know I can just talk 1486 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,410 until the either faces Oh yeah, well until we both know that 1487 01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:38,940 it's time or bore you know yours boring when we call each other 1488 01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:41,670 you call me out more often than I call you out but you know, 1489 01:24:41,790 --> 01:24:45,570 it's good. And I like the raw nature of it. I feel that people 1490 01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:50,010 are mad we've always felt as if people are so tired of the pro 1491 01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:53,700 formulaic way that programming is put together 1492 01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:57,480 we mock it we every once a while we catch a democracy now the guy 1493 01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,000 said one of the worst thing about this is that they're gonna 1494 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,120 have a meeting tomorrow. And we got to hit sorry, we were done 1495 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,400 for today. Your talk to you later. 1496 01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:08,730 The guy sorry, yeah, got to go just when it's getting 1497 01:25:08,730 --> 01:25:09,930 interesting Exactly. 1498 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:16,500 This happened in Media Writing media too. And as a columnist, 1499 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,200 when you're writing for print, you write to the, generally 1500 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,100 speaking, you write to a number. So you they want 650 words, you 1501 01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:32,040 try to get 635, just 656 760, maybe, and they cut out stuff, 1502 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,520 put something in, right, or they just pad but you try you because 1503 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,400 there's a spot there that you think is going to appear in it. 1504 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,910 It's only so much area, right? And so you have to write two 1505 01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:45,570 numbers. So you do and there's different styles you 500 word 1506 01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:50,070 essay, 650 word essay, 750s 1200 they're all pretty standard. You 1507 01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:53,700 can after years and years of doing it, you can in your brain. 1508 01:25:53,790 --> 01:25:58,230 You can It's astonishing to do you go right to 650 and stop and 1509 01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:02,040 you do a word count boom, six. Right, right. Right, right. Well 1510 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:06,060 with the internet that ended and that, again, is liberating, 1511 01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:09,660 because you maybe want to ramble a little bit. So it goes to 752, 1512 01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:11,520 which has these different numbers, it could be anything 1513 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,220 you wanted to because there's no real page layout that you have 1514 01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,520 to worry about. I was amused by one of my editors, I think it 1515 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,150 was at PC computing for a number of years. John Zilber, who 1516 01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:25,650 became a PR guy later, but he used to be one of these guys. 1517 01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:29,520 And I think this is the drawback he would start writing and that 1518 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,660 because it was no end, he would just go crazy. He writes 7000 1519 01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:35,190 words on some row but 1520 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:38,040 this is also a problem. And so if you look at the intercept, 1521 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,850 which is the $250 million WordPress blog from PR Dr. Mike 1522 01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:46,620 calm and he media, they don't have editors and it goes on so 1523 01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:49,620 long. They just your eyes glaze over. Like, I can't read 1524 01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:52,710 anymore. I'm so tired of it. And we don't allow that to happen. 1525 01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:57,180 Because we we stopped each other either. Naturally, just suddenly 1526 01:26:57,210 --> 01:27:00,390 we go into another topic, we are editing each other at the same 1527 01:27:00,390 --> 01:27:01,500 time in real time. 1528 01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:06,810 That said, when we did show 200 at point five which people have 1529 01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:11,370 heard or heard half of so far, we do discuss on the show an 1530 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,210 hour and a half you know are all right we we can't I think we 1531 01:27:15,210 --> 01:27:18,870 ended it was saying something like to do it. We couldn't go 1532 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,110 under an hour and a half or two hours or something that's like a 1533 01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:23,220 joke. Now. 1534 01:27:24,330 --> 01:27:25,290 Why is that? 1535 01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:30,510 Well, I think we do deeper digs. I think that's part of it the 1536 01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:33,960 digs deeper on the material. The show, I think there's a 1537 01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,300 shallowness to some of those earlier shows when we came up 1538 01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:38,700 with stuff and it wasn't as interesting. And that's 1539 01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:41,400 also just what the amount of material available on the 1540 01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,130 internet that has helped us tremendously. People publishing 1541 01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:45,660 stuff everywhere, it's great. 1542 01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:48,480 We have each of us have our little list of things we want to 1543 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,950 talk about on each show. And that many times complimentary, 1544 01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:56,400 sometimes not. And it drags on and it goes 1545 01:27:57,510 --> 01:28:01,110 too long. The shooting for 245 that's what we try. Yeah, but 1546 01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:06,030 I can imagine five years from now. Tons money, we're gonna 1547 01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:08,070 go to sleep for a moment, we'll be right back 1548 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,480 reducers in five hours. Now, it's not gonna happen. I think 1549 01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:17,880 we've decided, although I say we may have decided before, we were 1550 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,320 going over three hours on a lot of shows. That was I felt that 1551 01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:27,240 people were gonna listen that long and it was dragging on. And 1552 01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,640 sometimes the material could have been cut down. And just 1553 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,890 certain things we didn't need to talk about. So here 1554 01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:37,950 is the the challenge in a way, but also it's a benefit. We are 1555 01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:44,370 episodic. And this is why even though we I think discourage it, 1556 01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:48,780 mainly, people want to hear all of what we've said in a previous 1557 01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:51,690 episode. So that because we do reference things, and I'm 1558 01:28:51,690 --> 01:28:54,570 getting better at saying Hold on a second, let's just explain 1559 01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:59,160 what this is also for ourselves, right? I do that too. Yeah. I've 1560 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,830 gotten this question. I've gotten better at it. Just to 1561 01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:04,410 stop and say, Okay, this is where this comes from. I'm 1562 01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:06,990 going about something from a year ago. I mean, we've had to 1563 01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:11,040 read discuss the Benghazi thesis which is it was a kidnap I 1564 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,490 failed kidnapping attempt, right? We've just other things 1565 01:29:14,490 --> 01:29:16,620 that we've come up with over the years. In fact, there was 1566 01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:20,580 something in the show 200.5 where we mentioned the Hill and 1567 01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:24,510 Knowlton was behind the Oh yeah, alarming thing and I forgot all 1568 01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:29,130 about my bad connection. Yeah. Well, let's go over some more 1569 01:29:29,130 --> 01:29:32,640 stuff on the list here. You made a big deal about me handing you 1570 01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:35,940 DVDs that were highly produced and very pretty. We don't do 1571 01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:38,700 that with labels now. We don't do that. That's that's that we 1572 01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:40,260 also don't see each other anymore. 1573 01:29:40,530 --> 01:29:42,600 Right. We don't see each other anymore even though I'm gonna 1574 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,950 head down there. Oh, don't threaten me. We do. We just 1575 01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:51,000 talked about three Shows a week. And we actually I think it was 1576 01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:55,530 last year we did a third show for for the purposes of another 1577 01:29:55,530 --> 01:30:00,900 vacation. And so we did a show. If you remember And we were so 1578 01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:04,020 tired from doing that third show that we there's no way now when 1579 01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:05,970 we're doing an hour and a half, we thought it might be a good 1580 01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:08,250 way to divide it up. And it would give us three, four and a 1581 01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:11,850 half hours a week, right of material over three shows. But 1582 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,160 it turns out that when we're talking about something, we 1583 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,980 can't keep it down to an hour and a half. It's just not 1584 01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:19,950 possible it isn't. So the three show things fell by the wayside. 1585 01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:21,690 It was never, it's just not 1586 01:30:21,690 --> 01:30:25,290 a good idea, because you just don't have even the Friday, 1587 01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:28,920 Saturday before we do the Sunday show. It's tight. But that was 1588 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,070 chosen specifically, because Friday is when the throwaway 1589 01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:34,350 news is put out there that you're really not supposed to 1590 01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:36,930 know. But it's is put out there because they need to publish 1591 01:30:36,930 --> 01:30:39,270 something. And that's where I personally, I catch a lot of 1592 01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:41,790 stuff on the Friday afternoon news cycle, if you will. 1593 01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:46,950 And then I thought it was funny, we had a discussion of the 1594 01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:50,880 artists who at the time were Randy Asher and Paul T, the 1595 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,880 dominant artists, this is during the era when we actually would 1596 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,420 allow our pictures of the two of us to be on the artwork, which 1597 01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:02,850 we have now is banned. Yeah. And because it was just, it's just 1598 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:07,500 wasn't good. Right? Now we don't art is really become conceptual 1599 01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:08,610 is much more advanced and 1600 01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:14,640 so good. Well, beside that we're in addition to that, the 1601 01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:17,130 productions that people are making, and again, I'm gonna say 1602 01:31:17,130 --> 01:31:20,430 this is also Moore's law, just better computers and editing, 1603 01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:25,260 etc. We now have entire songs mash up stuff, putting the right 1604 01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:29,370 key, I mean, really top notch stuff that when I was working in 1605 01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:33,600 top 40 hit radio, you would contract with people who would 1606 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,360 do that for a living and then typically they'd make something 1607 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,570 or a spoof song and they'd send it to 20 stations and get 1608 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,570 because they're all on the payroll. We have people doing 1609 01:31:42,570 --> 01:31:45,660 such our producers doing such high quality work. It's really 1610 01:31:45,660 --> 01:31:48,720 astounding some of the stuff that we receive and use on the 1611 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:49,170 show. 1612 01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:53,760 Right, I think that's a function of our open source nature and 1613 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,990 the volunteer nature of the show, which is unique. We did 1614 01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:01,530 discuss a little bit about the how the how the funding works. 1615 01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:05,700 We had there was one part of the conversation I thought was 1616 01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:09,570 interesting, and wasn't really explored but I like a brightly 1617 01:32:09,570 --> 01:32:14,310 lit room and Adam Do you still like a dark? dingy kind of cave 1618 01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:18,600 like atmosphere when you do the podcast? Yes, I do. Why is this? 1619 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:23,220 I don't know. It's I think I explained it previous and 1620 01:32:23,220 --> 01:32:26,820 breed in the dark. But I'm eating stuff all the time. Yeah, 1621 01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:26,940 but 1622 01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:29,460 I'm reading the screens that you read off paper I read off 1623 01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:34,140 screens. For me it's a romantic it's part of our Okay, for me 1624 01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:39,210 it's part of the theater of the mind. I like to be closed off 1625 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,370 the dark room Yes, I did back in my old boiler back when I was 1626 01:32:44,370 --> 01:32:47,550 smoking and I smoked continuously during the show. 1627 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,300 You know I only needed a green visor and then I would have been 1628 01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:54,420 set you know I am sitting here with the single light bulb 1629 01:32:54,420 --> 01:33:00,750 somewhere and so now I actually it's in the second bedroom is 1630 01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:04,740 the studio and I have one of those big heavy moving blankets. 1631 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,790 You know the kind that ya accumulate after many moves, 1632 01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:14,250 then it's on to it's on a wall no because I'm facing the window 1633 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,770 the shades are drawn on the window and then this big black 1634 01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:19,380 moving blankets in front of mainly for noise of course for 1635 01:33:19,380 --> 01:33:21,630 the you know, so I don't have an echoey sound to make it a little 1636 01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:27,900 better in the room. But it also really brings down the ambient 1637 01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:30,000 light. I like it it's just what I've always I've always 1638 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,700 romanticize I've always wanted to be the night disc jockey even 1639 01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:34,110 though that's where the shit 1640 01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:36,930 though the closer you did announcing two miles closer to 1641 01:33:36,930 --> 01:33:39,570 your mouth and a close up of the microphone. Your lips come close 1642 01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:42,240 to it. Yeah, and it's uh Hey baby. Hey Ben. It's raining 1643 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,560 outside. He's driving and going back and forth. To you under 1644 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:46,980 radius 1645 01:33:46,980 --> 01:33:49,500 is the night owl. I'm telling you what's going on. We play 1646 01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:53,700 another set of Led Zeppelin from beginning to end. Yeah, that's 1647 01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:54,930 my romantic nature. 1648 01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:59,070 Whatever works yeah. I in the other hand, have thought about 1649 01:33:59,070 --> 01:34:02,550 getting dead dinning up the room because I know that when you 1650 01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:05,580 have a dead room you have a nice sound but I don't I let the 1651 01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:08,400 ambience do its thing and I don't know that it hurts that 1652 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,770 much. I play the mic pretty close. I'm not like too 1653 01:34:10,770 --> 01:34:15,360 concerned about it, even though it's not as directional as the 1654 01:34:15,570 --> 01:34:16,980 high LPR 40 1655 01:34:17,070 --> 01:34:18,180 And what are you using now? 1656 01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,290 I'm using a cat 3000 from China. China No, 1657 01:34:22,530 --> 01:34:26,760 no, no nice. I'm using my I'm using the road. I want I've 1658 01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,990 changed I'm using the road Procaster I'm gonna close mic or 1659 01:34:30,990 --> 01:34:32,310 I like to spit in the mic. 1660 01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:37,620 Well, I use this mic because I was doing research on mods. And 1661 01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:40,560 I do have a mod mic which I use for quite a while the the Joli 1662 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,740 mic and it which has modded everything. The whole thing is 1663 01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:46,800 just a completely remake of of a Chinese mic, which is these 1664 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,670 monitors love to do. And so I ran into this one guy who is a 1665 01:34:50,670 --> 01:34:56,520 major, major Mater and he likes to fix mics and do crazy things 1666 01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,810 but he claims a lot of things people do Whew, especially the 1667 01:35:00,810 --> 01:35:03,840 move, removing the capsule is just a waste of time. You just 1668 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,420 want to deal with the electronics. And so I asked him 1669 01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,450 specifically, well, you do a lot of mods. What is the best mic? 1670 01:35:10,170 --> 01:35:13,410 Made in China? Period? You didn't have any idea? He said 1671 01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:18,240 any name this mic. He says this is the best mic he's ever seen 1672 01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:21,540 coming out of China. It's an American company. But it's 1673 01:35:21,540 --> 01:35:22,410 Chinese mic 1674 01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,870 is the one in California. Cat 1675 01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:29,070 Cat. No cat is in the Midwest, I believe. Okay. Something audio 1676 01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:32,520 devices. And I think they're in Indiana. I'm not I don't 1677 01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,030 remember. But the mic is Chinese mic, and it looks like a Chinese 1678 01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:39,960 mic. And, and it's as I we listen to all these mics. And 1679 01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,050 you you do when you have to final approval on the mic. And 1680 01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:46,080 you said that mic sounds terrific. And so I've kept this 1681 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:50,490 mic. And I've been using it with this with a split screen. And 1682 01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:53,610 I'm very happy with the sound of it. And it's a good mic. It's 1683 01:35:53,610 --> 01:35:57,930 got three it's got like, it's got to figure eight pattern. 1684 01:35:57,930 --> 01:36:00,420 It's gotten capsules in front and back. It's got a nice, 1685 01:36:00,870 --> 01:36:04,020 overall, I think the build is nice. And it was 200 bucks. 1686 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,920 Nice. Well, here's the here's a little thing. I'll just point 1687 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,950 just show everyone how it works. I'm big on noise gates, I 1688 01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:15,120 believe if you can't afford the NPR like studio, that which is 1689 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,360 really dead. And I wrote an article recently about the sound 1690 01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,110 is noon. So there's a whole philosophy behind it. But it's a 1691 01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:25,950 you need to have a very fast acting noise gate. So that when 1692 01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:27,720 you're talking you can hear the brain and when you're when I'm 1693 01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,030 talking when you're talking you can hear there's ambient noise, 1694 01:36:30,030 --> 01:36:32,940 you know, especially if you have your window open or if the give 1695 01:36:32,940 --> 01:36:35,850 a fan on or anything like that. So I'll just turn yours off 1696 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,560 right now and return mine off. And you and people who are 1697 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,160 listening to the show, and I even have a low rumble coming 1698 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,640 from somewhere. It's so different. You know this that we 1699 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,130 sculpt the sound to what we want it to be. 1700 01:36:52,170 --> 01:36:55,020 Yeah, curiously Horowitz has a noise gate that he uses when we 1701 01:36:55,020 --> 01:36:57,720 do hitch the Horowitz show. DHL unplugged 1702 01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:58,650 is that recent. 1703 01:37:00,150 --> 01:37:02,550 It's pretty recently, he actually took over the he 1704 01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:05,550 called, he called me and he said, I want to set this up and 1705 01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:08,340 I walked in for like two hours. I walked him through what he 1706 01:37:08,340 --> 01:37:11,850 needed. And those kinds of like, helping the stewardess land the 1707 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:15,900 747 in a way on the phone. Turn the noise gates back on, hold 1708 01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:19,530 on. Yes. And, and I said, No, you want to noise gate man, you 1709 01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:24,630 really want this because it just enhances the closeness and the 1710 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:29,340 the personal nature of the sound. And I like it when it's 1711 01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:32,160 completely dead. And I love the fact that we have silence from 1712 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:33,300 time we talked about that. Um, yeah. 1713 01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:35,940 Yeah, you harped on it. I like it. I 1714 01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:38,670 like it. Yeah, like if people did die, people awake. 1715 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,910 I actually liked the dead room sound. I mean, I don't mind that 1716 01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:43,020 NPR sound. 1717 01:37:43,650 --> 01:37:46,740 But it's as good as the noise gate. The NPR sound is dead. 1718 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,640 It's totally dead. And I know how to do that sound on we had 1719 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,670 the cranky geek show. And it was being produced in San Francisco. 1720 01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:57,300 We had the black because I wanted the abyss. Look at this 1721 01:37:57,330 --> 01:38:01,230 look, I like on TV because it's cheap. And it works. And it's I 1722 01:38:01,230 --> 01:38:05,070 don't know why this not used more than a busy set. So you 1723 01:38:05,130 --> 01:38:09,300 Charlie Rose is the is the best user of the Abyss, right? So 1724 01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:12,360 you're in a big black room, it's actually a form of black velvet 1725 01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,050 that you can't the camera can't pick up where it is. It's like 1726 01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:18,360 magicians use it constantly. So you can't figure out where the 1727 01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,970 mirrors are, where the rabbit is coming from and where the rabbit 1728 01:38:20,970 --> 01:38:25,560 is coming from. And it also deadens the room and if it's in 1729 01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,550 far enough, so you can get a very nice, you can use the 1730 01:38:29,550 --> 01:38:31,890 cheapest microphone and you sound pretty good. 1731 01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:35,520 What was interesting is when I before I disclosed what had 1732 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:39,480 happened with my personal life, I was in this apartment. And I 1733 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:41,400 didn't have any stuff. I had nothing. I didn't have the 1734 01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,720 moving blankets. And the number of people said hey, what's going 1735 01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,470 on? I hear something Something's different about the sound. Wow. 1736 01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:54,180 So you have a stick? Stick notice that Yeah. 1737 01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:58,110 Well, anyway, get back to the question, especially the list 1738 01:38:58,710 --> 01:39:02,040 cost of producing somebody brought that up and there was no 1739 01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,470 real answer. I mean, we do have to pay for bandwidth now and 1740 01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:05,190 it's not cheap. 1741 01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:09,990 And again, we have void zero sort of 19 inch rack 1742 01:39:10,110 --> 01:39:14,130 and he doesn't do all of the heavy heavy lifting for us the 1743 01:39:14,130 --> 01:39:16,830 sysop that super talented dude named 1744 01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:19,980 Ben Yeah, he runs the infrastructure of course we do 1745 01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:22,770 have to pay for but he's come up with this is a legacy from the 1746 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,730 no agenda stream folks, Mr. Oil. When they set all of that up, 1747 01:39:26,730 --> 01:39:29,250 they were thinking of starting a business and that didn't really 1748 01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:34,650 pan out but we were very happy to assume what they had created. 1749 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,980 And and Mark does that for us out of love for the show. We 1750 01:39:37,980 --> 01:39:44,010 love him for it and his his partner, Iris who when he was in 1751 01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:47,940 the hospital, she was running. He'd given her instructions. She 1752 01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:49,950 was making sure everything was working, make sure the stream 1753 01:39:49,950 --> 01:39:52,710 was up and changing stuff and cool. 1754 01:39:54,030 --> 01:39:58,830 Now on my list here I have an anomaly that I spotted. I don't 1755 01:39:58,830 --> 01:40:01,830 know why I don't know that I know. NOTICE This in 2006, but 1756 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:07,890 the 2006 200.6 show I said something about how we promote 1757 01:40:07,890 --> 01:40:11,700 or something and and then you said, I said something about why 1758 01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:15,450 tell people to go to the no agenda wiki page. And then you 1759 01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:18,180 went kind of like why why you're sending people to 1760 01:40:18,180 --> 01:40:21,270 that was that noise even I remember, it could 1761 01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:24,510 have been, and I and it was like I was befuddled by this because 1762 01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:27,660 it was, it's always been a good page that has a rundown of some 1763 01:40:27,660 --> 01:40:30,570 of the basics of the show. And one time when they edited it 1764 01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:33,510 down to next to nothing. I bitched and somebody put it all 1765 01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:37,920 the good stuff back up there. Meaning of the jingles and rest. 1766 01:40:38,370 --> 01:40:41,370 But I was kind of befuddled by your response to that. And then 1767 01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:45,030 I then you I think it was because that was the era when 1768 01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:48,990 you were irked about somebody messing with your your personal 1769 01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:51,480 homepage or something that had nothing to do with anything I 1770 01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:53,250 was talking about. Remember that? 1771 01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:58,080 Yeah. I also remember that, luckily, they put our height on 1772 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:58,950 the wiki page. 1773 01:40:59,430 --> 01:41:02,910 Yeah, you were talking about that. I know it's humorous 1774 01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:06,930 height. It was like, I don't know, four feet and 500 inches 1775 01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:08,250 or some five foot 17. 1776 01:41:09,660 --> 01:41:12,450 I don't know I like I just want people to listen to our show. 1777 01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:16,440 And as witnessed by our great websites, we really don't care 1778 01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:20,670 much other than get the show. And if you want to go to the 1779 01:41:20,670 --> 01:41:23,610 show notes, they're detailed and you can get to them. Then 1780 01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:26,340 they're indexed and by just like it we'd still be typing no 1781 01:41:26,340 --> 01:41:29,910 agenda into a search engine. You the first couple of pages are 1782 01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:32,190 our seven, seven now. That's great. 1783 01:41:32,340 --> 01:41:35,010 Ben seven for a while. Right. And there's somebody everyone's 1784 01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:37,590 was something sneaks in is always galling when you see 1785 01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:38,040 that. So 1786 01:41:39,450 --> 01:41:41,370 it's been a while since I've searched for our 1787 01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:45,570 Manny Pacquiao says he has no agenda and a fight you know, so. 1788 01:41:45,929 --> 01:41:47,549 Okay. All right. I got you. I 1789 01:41:47,550 --> 01:41:51,630 got you. Yeah, that kind of thing. I don't really have any 1790 01:41:51,630 --> 01:41:54,480 there. I do have a couple of questions myself. Do you still 1791 01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,580 use that soundbite software? 1792 01:41:56,610 --> 01:42:01,320 I do? Yes, I do. So it runs on my original iPad, one Wi Fi 1793 01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:06,090 only. And if you run a little program on the computer, but one 1794 01:42:06,090 --> 01:42:09,060 of these days, I will publish the whole setup. It's just I 1795 01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:10,110 want to do it. But you've been 1796 01:42:10,110 --> 01:42:13,590 saying that for years because I need some vinegar book. I'll put 1797 01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:14,070 it over here. 1798 01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:18,510 Okay, yeah, we'll see who releases it. First you the 1799 01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:22,980 vinegar book or the the sound setup. But it's really it's nice 1800 01:42:22,980 --> 01:42:28,140 to have a number of go to things and let's see 12345123 There's 1801 01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:33,240 50 clips that we use regularly, which includes for instance, the 1802 01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:36,690 this may be for some people interesting, so we do the 1803 01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:41,370 birthday song. So that's, that's pretty much one bed and it goes 1804 01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:44,670 on and on and on. And then when it's time for me to end that I 1805 01:42:44,670 --> 01:42:48,720 start the second one, and then I just stopped the first one. So 1806 01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:51,270 you can make it as long as you want. I'm not really that 1807 01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:54,840 talented. I can fit everything into these pre produced bones. 1808 01:42:55,170 --> 01:42:58,080 This is the way you do it. You're doing it. Yeah. Well, 1809 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,390 that's all Pro. 1810 01:43:00,420 --> 01:43:04,200 Yeah, exactly. So I do still use that. And I like it a lot 1811 01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:04,800 because I can have 1812 01:43:05,850 --> 01:43:07,860 things like that you do that with anything. The opening of 1813 01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:09,120 the show. The show is the 1814 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,400 same. Yep, did actually that's three elements. 1815 01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:15,420 Did you know that? No, I didn't I was always to 1816 01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:18,300 know. So it's the first one is that one curry, John C. Dvorak. 1817 01:43:18,300 --> 01:43:21,960 And then that goes on. I do my opening thing. And then I do 1818 01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,250 time this to say, you know, this is episode 736. This is no 1819 01:43:26,250 --> 01:43:29,280 agenda and then that hands and then there's a second one that I 1820 01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,460 start here, which is this. And that just goes on. And then you 1821 01:43:32,460 --> 01:43:35,190 come in and whenever you're done and you say I'm John C. Dvorak, 1822 01:43:35,190 --> 01:43:41,190 then I hit raglan. Buzzkill. So that's all standard radio second 1823 01:43:41,190 --> 01:43:44,190 pro was an extension of the first. That's interesting. So I 1824 01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:47,820 didn't know that it's funny. Things you don't need to know. I 1825 01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:49,800 don't need to know and I don't I don't want 1826 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,410 to know what other questions that you 1827 01:43:52,410 --> 01:43:56,250 had. Well, now that we're here in the segment segment, before 1828 01:43:56,250 --> 01:43:59,550 we go back to the show, I think you should play us one of the 1829 01:43:59,550 --> 01:44:02,430 things that we've done only recently but Adam I've 1830 01:44:02,430 --> 01:44:04,980 encouraged him to do these medley of clips at the end of 1831 01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:08,850 the show. So as it makes the show kind of you know, it's like 1832 01:44:08,850 --> 01:44:12,240 the desert the way I see it and people you know they gave the 1833 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,040 list of the whole show they might as well get a kick out of 1834 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,550 some of the clips. Why don't you play as like about like you just 1835 01:44:17,550 --> 01:44:20,970 play us a shot and not long ones but shot of all the short clips 1836 01:44:20,970 --> 01:44:24,510 you can you can quickly get to say you got your little push 1837 01:44:24,510 --> 01:44:25,470 button device there 1838 01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,410 Yeah, but those you mean short clips or the longer clips or the 1839 01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:29,610 short ones okay? 1840 01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:33,210 Just I want you to just run down what's right on the thing right 1841 01:44:33,210 --> 01:44:33,720 there go 1842 01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:38,550 Okay, here we go. That's the news flash sound effects we have 1843 01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:41,130 the this of course when we always tell people to go out and 1844 01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:44,490 hit people in the mouth, which is also to eclipse formula is 1845 01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:48,420 this one. We go out? Well yet people in the mountain and the 1846 01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:51,120 second part of that clip is this one is the new world order 1847 01:44:51,120 --> 01:45:00,660 stuff. And then I might add this in that's all set bread Hey 1848 01:45:00,660 --> 01:45:04,680 citizens, we have the I have a ding Do you have a bell I have a 1849 01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,220 digital Bell. See my bell is, is this and then we have our phone 1850 01:45:08,220 --> 01:45:12,000 call whenever we do a little phone call, we have that we have 1851 01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:16,410 this one 1852 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:31,200 you have your favorite by iron Rand. And then we have the two 1853 01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,670 to the head. Of course we have this. That's one mother, I liked 1854 01:45:36,420 --> 01:45:42,360 that I have three science clips. So the longer one is the 1855 01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:47,010 sciences. So we have the science ISOs. 1856 01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:51,390 Or we have the sciences. 1857 01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:56,760 And then of course we have our standard. Got the Spanish? 1858 01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:06,570 Chinese, French, German. And we got of course, a new entry. Hey, 1859 01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:14,490 man, first of all, of course. Not to forget. We have you've 1860 01:46:14,490 --> 01:46:18,240 been de Deus. And of course we have the karma jingle there as 1861 01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,650 well. You've got karma. And then there's a few small ones like 1862 01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,340 what do we have? We have this one take that to the bank got 1863 01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:30,750 that? Not often used but when used it's always you. It's 1864 01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:35,550 always appropriate John Cena for X pet peeve of the day. And 1865 01:46:35,550 --> 01:46:36,720 that's probably about half of them. 1866 01:46:38,430 --> 01:46:41,010 Who did the D douching? One have 1867 01:46:41,010 --> 01:46:41,820 no idea. 1868 01:46:42,090 --> 01:46:45,150 We have to We should give her cry her him as a gauge. 1869 01:46:45,150 --> 01:46:49,830 Obviously, with female voice. She may have produced it or 1870 01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:51,840 somebody else may have produced it. We need to give whoever it 1871 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,110 is credit someday. Because yeah, I forgot who that was. And when 1872 01:46:55,110 --> 01:46:57,690 it came in, I really want many of these things we should. And 1873 01:46:57,690 --> 01:47:00,780 we've talked about this, I think in 2,000.5, but not emphasized 1874 01:47:00,780 --> 01:47:06,450 it. Most of the shows direction has been from the producer 1875 01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:09,150 listener, they have pushed the show in a certain direction. The 1876 01:47:09,150 --> 01:47:12,300 douchebag thing we never called anybody, no shebang, no, no, 1877 01:47:12,330 --> 01:47:14,280 they call each other douchebag. And then somebody came up with 1878 01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:18,930 the damn jingle. Yeah. And and then the douching jingle came 1879 01:47:18,930 --> 01:47:22,350 after that we had nothing that was not an invention by us most 1880 01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:26,220 of the stuff. I mean, we invented the producer ship idea. 1881 01:47:26,250 --> 01:47:29,400 The club now coming up in the night was a these are but this 1882 01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:34,740 is kind of meta. This day. This way the show flows is largely 1883 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:41,580 promulgated, I would say or pushed along by the people who 1884 01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:45,270 listen to the show and produce it and come up with stuff. They 1885 01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:46,620 come up with all kinds of things, 1886 01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:49,920 and good things. And there's a lot of stuff that isn't all that 1887 01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,500 well, I want to say when we do our final segment, I have a 1888 01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,410 couple things about how you can best interact with us and how 1889 01:47:55,410 --> 01:47:58,980 you can help us when you want to win as a producer, if you want 1890 01:47:58,980 --> 01:48:01,560 to add something, obviously not just the financial part. But 1891 01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,570 there are some things that would be very helpful for me. 1892 01:48:03,570 --> 01:48:07,770 Certainly, I'm trying to find this one producer who has made a 1893 01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:12,690 who's done a lot of these jingles. And this is the 1894 01:48:12,690 --> 01:48:13,230 problem. 1895 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,070 Well, I will mention here says it needs to be mentioned I think 1896 01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:20,040 it was really mentioned that much in 2000 to two I know I 1897 01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:25,500 keep saying 2002 and 2.5 or six that we'd still need donations 1898 01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:27,630 even though we're doing the show. So if you go to na 1899 01:48:27,660 --> 01:48:31,800 divorce.org/and A Yeah, I think it would be appreciated and we 1900 01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,850 will have people who have given producer and executive producer 1901 01:48:35,850 --> 01:48:39,180 amounts to the show was mentioned when we were done on 1902 01:48:39,210 --> 01:48:43,170 our little vacation moment, which will be only I think two 1903 01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:47,700 shows and the next show will be a inner couple interviews 1904 01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:51,600 including a really fascinating interview with John Sculley. Oh, 1905 01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:58,020 guy, the Apple guy, Apple guy who's kind of merged in the 1906 01:48:58,020 --> 01:49:00,180 Apple community. We talked about that a little bit. It's a very 1907 01:49:00,180 --> 01:49:03,300 interesting thing. We also have Bob Heil, the microphone. 1908 01:49:03,570 --> 01:49:10,410 Excellent x very inventive. He invented a modern stage music 1909 01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:17,700 loud. He's a power trio. You can thank him. Yeah. And he was just 1910 01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,350 into clear, clear and loud sound. And so that'll be I think 1911 01:49:22,350 --> 01:49:23,550 we will find that interesting. 1912 01:49:23,580 --> 01:49:26,070 There is of course one jingle I didn't play which is also on the 1913 01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:31,980 soundboard devorah.org/and A also don't know who made that. 1914 01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:36,060 And let's go back to show 200.5 A 1915 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,730 couple of questions from Sir Troy Walters I just want to go 1916 01:49:41,730 --> 01:49:45,390 down the list make sure we didn't miss anything. How did 1917 01:49:45,390 --> 01:49:47,670 you come up with promotions like the knighthoods 1918 01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:51,690 and although the knighthood thing by the way I will take 1919 01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,020 credit for that and I'll tell you why. I although I think we 1920 01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:57,300 discussed and I think you're the one that probably pushed the 1921 01:49:57,300 --> 01:49:57,870 idea 1922 01:49:57,900 --> 01:50:00,330 like probably the probably the name of a knighthood is Probably 1923 01:50:00,330 --> 01:50:02,010 what would I make a contribution? 1924 01:50:02,220 --> 01:50:05,040 Well the knighthood thing and one of the one day and I've said 1925 01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,020 this, I've done this, but everybody who knows me will have 1926 01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:08,970 heard this right at one time or another. And I know I took 1927 01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:12,450 random past Adam, every time some American, I think it's 1928 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:14,580 supposed to be illegal to receive a knighthood from the 1929 01:50:14,580 --> 01:50:17,970 Queen, but they do. Anyway, every time somebody said, Why is 1930 01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:20,970 what's the query? What's so special about England? That 1931 01:50:20,970 --> 01:50:24,750 they're granting? knighthoods? Why don't we grant knighthoods, 1932 01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:27,900 right? Why can't we just grant and what can anybody why can't 1933 01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:30,420 Ford Motor Company grant knighthoods? What differences? 1934 01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,100 Yeah, that's good. So So ours are just as good as the Queen's 1935 01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:38,100 I think so. And I think we have a better group, that's for sure 1936 01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:41,490 that nights that have been on our list or they're fantastic 1937 01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:42,600 people, every one of them, 1938 01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:49,530 I have a plan by the way of making a night iPhone app. That 1939 01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,030 will only be for nights. And it'll be limited for a number of 1940 01:50:54,030 --> 01:50:57,930 reasons, but only be four nights. And, and it'll be like 1941 01:50:57,930 --> 01:51:02,640 our, our communication model, like a network a night network. 1942 01:51:03,089 --> 01:51:03,839 Now, that's a good idea. 1943 01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:07,170 Yeah, I think it'd be kind of fun. And we like a bad signal. I 1944 01:51:07,170 --> 01:51:09,450 still want a bad signal. We're gonna need it one of these days. 1945 01:51:09,630 --> 01:51:12,960 We've got a lot of professional people in the knighthoods. We 1946 01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,410 don't have a doctor, we have a dentist, we have a lawyer? Oh, 1947 01:51:16,410 --> 01:51:16,680 you know, 1948 01:51:17,820 --> 01:51:19,770 that's what you need. Right? You need a lawyer? 1949 01:51:20,190 --> 01:51:22,170 Or we need a butcher? 1950 01:51:22,650 --> 01:51:30,870 Yes, hell yeah. A farmer? Farm? What drives the new promotions? 1951 01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:35,100 That's a good question. Depends on how you interpreted Of 1952 01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:35,550 course. 1953 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:41,280 And I will say, all the emails, promotion ideas, John does all 1954 01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,730 of that I do the production of the show, John does all of that 1955 01:51:44,730 --> 01:51:45,180 stuff. 1956 01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,980 Yeah, I haven't the marketing guy. Mainly because I've always 1957 01:51:49,980 --> 01:51:53,610 admired certain forms of marketing that are very rarely 1958 01:51:53,610 --> 01:51:57,660 executed by the general public. And by that I mean, or by 1959 01:51:57,660 --> 01:52:00,990 General companies, or little operations like ours. And by 1960 01:52:00,990 --> 01:52:07,740 that, I mean PBS, and, and religion, churches, because the 1961 01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:11,790 model is so interesting that you get people that like you so 1962 01:52:11,790 --> 01:52:14,460 much, because you're doing something for them. And that's 1963 01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:17,790 what PBS and churches are perceived as doing. They one's 1964 01:52:17,790 --> 01:52:19,950 giving you you're helping, you're spiritually and the other 1965 01:52:19,950 --> 01:52:24,180 ones educating you, out of mainstream media supposedly, 1966 01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:29,850 and, and I their model for getting money. And by the way, I 1967 01:52:29,850 --> 01:52:34,290 have a background in public radio, I had a couple of shows 1968 01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:37,470 two different shows, that were on public radio for over almost 1969 01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:42,360 10 years, about computers. And I saw the mechanism, how it works, 1970 01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,840 and how much money they get, and all the rest of it. And I always 1971 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,840 said, you know why, you know, why does it just have to be 1972 01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,750 those two groups? And then, of course, the publishing, you 1973 01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:54,930 know, the direct payment for a novel is a different kind of a 1974 01:52:54,930 --> 01:52:57,810 thing. Why are these the only two groups that are using this 1975 01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:01,020 model? A? And does anyone noticed that they're actually 1976 01:53:01,020 --> 01:53:03,450 pretty successful with this model of work? Thank you. 1977 01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:06,300 There's some churches out there that have, you know, not 1978 01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:09,210 counting the mega churches, but but decent sized churches with 1979 01:53:09,210 --> 01:53:13,380 maybe 2000, to 3000 parishioners, and they got the 1980 01:53:13,380 --> 01:53:16,380 guy with a Cadillac and a big house, and they got plenty of 1981 01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:19,500 money. And it's only like 2000 people that are supporting this 1982 01:53:19,530 --> 01:53:24,240 entire parish. And it's like, does anybody notice that this 1983 01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,010 looks like, you know, these courts, the tax free thing 1984 01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:29,190 doesn't hurt the guy. But it's like, obvious it's a model that 1985 01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:32,790 works and people don't mind the model. I mean, we're not getting 1986 01:53:32,820 --> 01:53:35,910 knighthood, donations, because people think this is a dumb 1987 01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:41,100 idea. So anyway, so I do the promotions, I, I come up with 1988 01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:45,690 them. You know, every once in a while we one comes forward. So 1989 01:53:45,690 --> 01:53:48,840 well, here's an idea. We this is this people would like so you 1990 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,840 know, it's kind of like selling the dream kind of thing. I'm not 1991 01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,950 sure that I do. I used to be in direct marketing. And I say 1992 01:53:55,950 --> 01:53:58,260 that, you know, when people ask me about this, I say, Look, you 1993 01:53:58,260 --> 01:54:01,680 know, we have a church and our religion is the truth, or as 1994 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:02,850 close as we can get to it. 1995 01:54:03,179 --> 01:54:06,539 There's that element. I think we you know, we seem to offend a 1996 01:54:06,539 --> 01:54:09,299 few people if we go over the the off the deep end with the church 1997 01:54:09,299 --> 01:54:11,399 angle, but the fact of the matter is, we do the thing on 1998 01:54:11,399 --> 01:54:14,909 Sunday morning, and I'm sure a lot of people don't go to church 1999 01:54:14,909 --> 01:54:20,039 and listen to us instead. Or football. It'd be interesting to 2000 01:54:20,039 --> 01:54:23,819 see what since we're in Full Tilt here trying to maximize our 2001 01:54:23,819 --> 01:54:27,899 incomes. It'll be interesting to see what the drop off is on 2002 01:54:27,929 --> 01:54:31,139 listenership on the live stream during the football season. Oh, 2003 01:54:31,139 --> 01:54:31,679 interesting. 2004 01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,200 Yeah, well, well, and by the way, we do look at that, that 2005 01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:35,070 kind of you look at all the 2006 01:54:35,070 --> 01:54:38,430 numbers, we keep track of stuff, Eric likes to dream up weird 2007 01:54:38,430 --> 01:54:42,900 reports. And we look at them and we know where we're headed and 2008 01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,380 we're doing fine. We're not doing well enough that we can 2009 01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:49,680 quit and do this full time and and you know, that's which is 2010 01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,950 okay being in a struggling situation is not a bad thing. 2011 01:54:53,370 --> 01:54:58,290 And the show I think is sound. If I can say is it harder 2012 01:54:58,290 --> 01:55:02,160 to be excited for the next show if donations are down on the 2013 01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,090 previous show, 2014 01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:04,530 it is for Adam. 2015 01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:09,330 That's not true. It's not like I'm less excited who said so 2016 01:55:09,330 --> 01:55:13,200 once No. And even then you misinterpreted what I said what 2017 01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,590 I what I meant was, first of all, it bums me out because I 2018 01:55:16,590 --> 01:55:19,950 take that as a, as a direct result of the program of the 2019 01:55:19,950 --> 01:55:23,670 product that we produced. It bums me out. Yeah, it bums me 2020 01:55:23,670 --> 01:55:26,880 out. It doesn't make me less excited. No, it motivates me. It 2021 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:32,640 gets me motivated to do a better show that we've deconstructed 2022 01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,430 and John, by the way, you got to know this. He's like, like the 2023 01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:39,390 horrible uncle. You never wanted to send you notes like, well, 2024 01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:42,270 that thing you did that made donations dropped through the 2025 01:55:42,270 --> 01:55:46,110 floor as horrible. And I know and it took me like two months 2026 01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:48,870 to figure out that this is bullshit that he's just writing 2027 01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:50,130 that just to piss me off. 2028 01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,730 No, I was writing it for a good reason. Because I believed it to 2029 01:55:53,730 --> 01:55:54,480 be true. 2030 01:55:56,370 --> 01:56:00,750 It's the way you write it is like the way email, grandpa. 2031 01:56:00,900 --> 01:56:03,000 Yeah, sorry. Don't be such a dick. 2032 01:56:03,090 --> 01:56:05,640 I suppose I should put a bunch of smiley faces and that would 2033 01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:06,630 make you happy. 2034 01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:12,150 Yeah. Good. This is what I love about you. What is the single 2035 01:56:12,150 --> 01:56:14,970 most enjoyable element of the show for each of you? 2036 01:56:16,980 --> 01:56:19,530 Hmm, that's a great question. And I don't like saying the term 2037 01:56:19,530 --> 01:56:24,060 a great question. But it's a thoughtful question makes you 2038 01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:30,300 think what do we like to think when the show ends? I think 2039 01:56:30,930 --> 01:56:31,800 hours 2040 01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,310 that, first of all, there is no element in the show. I think 2041 01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:38,640 that's that's that we have no fixed elements. That's true. The 2042 01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,830 only thing that's fixed is donations. 2043 01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:45,420 And we do that about an hour and 45 minutes to an hour. Yeah. So 2044 01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,940 we've talked about that. Because we noticed the donations fall 2045 01:56:47,940 --> 01:56:51,000 off if we push that thing off to near the end, because a lot of 2046 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,640 people to be honest about do not listen to the entire show. 2047 01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:56,700 Yeah, I agree. I agree. I get a lot of emails from people. I'm 2048 01:56:56,700 --> 01:56:59,820 like, can we just we just did that two weeks ago? Like how can 2049 01:56:59,820 --> 01:57:02,370 you send me this email? Yeah, I agree. A lot of people don't get 2050 01:57:02,370 --> 01:57:07,230 through the whole show. Which by the way, is okay. It's okay. And 2051 01:57:07,230 --> 01:57:10,260 for people who listen to who'd like oh, that was theirs. This 2052 01:57:10,260 --> 01:57:13,230 is what I love this fast forward. You can fast forward 2053 01:57:13,230 --> 01:57:15,750 through something you think is boring. I guarantee you will be 2054 01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:24,630 backing up. I think so too. For me. Wow, this is gonna sound 2055 01:57:24,630 --> 01:57:28,950 kind of weird. most enjoyable, personally enjoyable. I like it 2056 01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:33,960 when I have either an article or a clip. And I get praise from 2057 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:34,320 you. 2058 01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:38,970 Yeah, I'll do that because I actually keep a running score. 2059 01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:41,820 But it's just for me but you I know you're paying attention to 2060 01:57:41,820 --> 01:57:47,220 it. And I'll and I'll score a goal for you when you hit one 2061 01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:51,000 that is like completely catches me flat footed. I got nothing on 2062 01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,730 it. I got maybe my take is even wrong, because your take is 2063 01:57:53,730 --> 01:57:57,840 better. And it's and it's interesting. And so you get I 2064 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,990 saw I'll give you a Kudo right on the spot. And it's very 2065 01:58:00,990 --> 01:58:04,980 insincere, by the way and you usually only do it when I know I 2066 01:58:04,980 --> 01:58:07,590 can't top you. You can actually come up with something that's 2067 01:58:07,590 --> 01:58:10,470 better than that where you got the kudos something really 2068 01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:15,150 stunning, but I know I've got a topper. Yeah. And so I won't 2069 01:58:15,150 --> 01:58:16,170 give you the Kudo then. 2070 01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:19,080 So that's kind of interesting. Do we have a weird father son 2071 01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:19,980 relationship? No, 2072 01:58:19,980 --> 01:58:22,590 no, no, it says a teammate relationship where you're trying 2073 01:58:22,590 --> 01:58:26,220 to compete for that position of dominance. Okay. Yeah. I think 2074 01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:29,400 as a team, it's a team orientation where the two guys 2075 01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,580 are working to to win, but you know, but you want to be the guy 2076 01:58:32,580 --> 01:58:36,030 that hey, if you score the goal, yeah, you scored the goal. Okay, 2077 01:58:36,030 --> 01:58:38,160 you scored the goal. Next time, I'll score the goal, you prick. 2078 01:58:38,190 --> 01:58:40,530 Yeah. That's a good analysis. 2079 01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,690 So knowing that father is something doesn't work that way 2080 01:58:42,690 --> 01:58:46,110 because father and son would be it's be more patronizing. I'm 2081 01:58:46,110 --> 01:58:48,630 not patronizing. I'm straightforward. That's true. 2082 01:58:48,690 --> 01:58:52,050 That's true. I'll give you that I know how much you'd like that 2083 01:58:52,050 --> 01:58:54,990 to be the case but no, not gonna happen. 2084 01:58:55,019 --> 01:58:56,039 I don't think so. 2085 01:58:57,630 --> 01:59:02,100 I got a little thing here a little aside. I had Eric run the 2086 01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:07,080 numbers on which country listens to us and where we get most of 2087 01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:08,790 our support from 2088 01:59:08,820 --> 01:59:11,640 that's actually that is a question so and here's 2089 01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,580 the answer what Okay, now I'm gonna I'm gonna do it too 2090 01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,430 because I have the numbers and you don't so this is my rare 2091 01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:19,890 opportunity to make you do what we do on the show quite a bit 2092 01:59:19,890 --> 01:59:23,190 which is make one the other person guests knowing full well 2093 01:59:23,190 --> 01:59:25,440 that they'll never guess it correctly and it's just kind of 2094 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,200 a stalling tactic. But guess who's number one 2095 01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:31,890 now is this in total amount of donation this 2096 01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:35,280 will be both donors and amount but it's gonna go by the total 2097 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,340 amount but it's this but turns out the numbers match pretty 2098 01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:43,050 well with the one to one pretty much with the donors versus and 2099 01:59:43,170 --> 01:59:43,740 totals 2100 01:59:43,770 --> 01:59:46,950 I will say that the Netherlands is very high on the list. 2101 01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:56,280 Who's number one? Oh, please. Well, number one's got to be 2102 01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:01,560 America, of course by a factor of nine. Yeah. All right, so now 2103 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:07,230 it gets interesting. Number two, and I before you answer I'm 2104 02:00:07,230 --> 02:00:09,210 going to tell you right now you're not going to get it. 2105 02:00:10,170 --> 02:00:16,080 Australia. Oh geez, you got it. See you soon see scores. Oh, no, 2106 02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:20,010 I know. I knew I knew Australia had to be really high. Oh, I 2107 02:00:20,010 --> 02:00:21,570 shouldn't have given you the T's. Oh 2108 02:00:21,570 --> 02:00:27,030 no, I knew it. I knew this because I mean we've had I 2109 02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:29,760 trained I tried to kind of in my head I'm like, Man, I get 2110 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:35,370 stories. The Aussies are. They're really into us you know, 2111 02:00:35,370 --> 02:00:39,780 but don't mess with them man. These guys will mess you up. And 2112 02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:42,720 they don't like what's going on and I can almost guess you know 2113 02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:47,400 by which country is is the most depressed so of course America 2114 02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:51,600 wins. And then Australia and I think the Netherlands has got to 2115 02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,430 be third or fourth on the list 2116 02:00:53,460 --> 02:00:55,620 through now actually add Netherlands actually comes in 2117 02:00:55,620 --> 02:00:59,760 six. It goes like this United States, Australia, Canada, 2118 02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,580 Canada, right. Yeah, I forgot United Kingdom and Netherlands 2119 02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:05,070 UK as well. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. 2120 02:01:05,790 --> 02:01:07,500 I actually thought the Netherlands would come in a 2121 02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:13,410 little higher. But no. And a couple of the guys the reason is 2122 02:01:13,410 --> 02:01:15,900 because the Netherlands The guys who do contribute to the show 2123 02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,890 from from the from Belgium, are very, they're they're 2124 02:01:19,890 --> 02:01:24,060 aggressive. Right. You know, Pels, mockers? Oh, he's in 2125 02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:26,940 Belgium, Belgium. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Belgium comes in then it 2126 02:01:26,940 --> 02:01:31,680 comes Germany, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, 2127 02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:38,760 ah, Mexico. And then we have an anomaly with Japan, which has 2128 02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:40,890 very few people listening, but they give a lot of money. And 2129 02:01:40,890 --> 02:01:43,470 same with Hong Kong. That's where all the money is. There we 2130 02:01:43,470 --> 02:01:47,700 got Spain, Italy, France, Denmark is actually higher, but 2131 02:01:47,700 --> 02:01:50,760 they don't give any money. They're like, they're cheap, 2132 02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:57,120 cheap. But damn Danes. They're the Danish or GrapeCity cheap. 2133 02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,780 And then Poland, Poland, which is like, that doesn't count. 2134 02:02:00,780 --> 02:02:03,540 They don't use this the non English speaking countries, it 2135 02:02:03,540 --> 02:02:04,140 doesn't bother me. 2136 02:02:04,500 --> 02:02:07,230 Very interesting for the amount of Well, that's really 2137 02:02:07,230 --> 02:02:10,710 interesting. For the amount of time we spend on our have spent 2138 02:02:10,740 --> 02:02:14,670 on stories about Poland. They're way down on the list. Oh, 2139 02:02:14,670 --> 02:02:17,400 they're way down the amount of time we spend on the UK and 2140 02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:21,270 Australia. That's about right. Yeah. So and and Canada. We 2141 02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:22,980 probably should do more on Canada. 2142 02:02:23,130 --> 02:02:25,290 Yeah, no, the Canadians are completely starting to complain 2143 02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:28,170 about it. And their why and you know, it's easy enough to do I 2144 02:02:28,170 --> 02:02:30,750 mean, it's kind of hard to beat this hour has 22 minutes, 2145 02:02:30,750 --> 02:02:34,170 whatever the name of the show is that nails them constantly. We 2146 02:02:34,170 --> 02:02:37,050 got some support in Singapore. I mean, almost every countries, 2147 02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:41,640 Estonia, Dominican Republic, Malaysia, Qatar, Israel one 2148 02:02:41,670 --> 02:02:45,000 person for raw which is that actually is the one that really 2149 02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:48,720 surprises me the most that we'd have one listener in Israel, you 2150 02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,930 may be blocked there for all I know could be me, I could and 2151 02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:58,680 Portugal with me got much. You didn't get to have more from 2152 02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:01,740 Brazil, since I'm a writer there and fairly well known. But it's 2153 02:03:01,740 --> 02:03:03,810 again, it's in translation. 2154 02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:06,900 They may be right and all kinds of crap. You don't know what 2155 02:03:06,900 --> 02:03:08,010 they're translating it to? 2156 02:03:08,220 --> 02:03:10,620 No, they I know what they're trying to say. I've had a lot of 2157 02:03:10,620 --> 02:03:13,200 people I know a lot of Brazilians. And they one guy 2158 02:03:13,500 --> 02:03:16,800 said to me, once I know the translator, he's a great guy. 2159 02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,790 I've sat down with him and powerful PowerPoint, like in 10 2160 02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:22,830 minutes. The guy's fantastic. Let me 2161 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:30,120 what was the PA? Oh, here's one that I can't answer. What are 2162 02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:33,390 the current subscriber numbers? So first of all, subscriber 2163 02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:35,940 numbers, since the word subscriber is a misnomer? 2164 02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:41,430 Because we really don't know how many people listened to the show 2165 02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:44,910 by downloading. We absolutely just don't know that. John, how 2166 02:03:44,910 --> 02:03:47,310 often? And by the way, I don't think anyone knows in 2167 02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:50,940 podcasting, what their actual real numbers are. There is so 2168 02:03:50,940 --> 02:03:54,240 much smoke, about numbers, 2169 02:03:54,450 --> 02:04:02,340 you'd have to guess. And would you guess? Well, based on normal 2170 02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:09,570 direct marketing returns and the kind of money we get it, it's 2171 02:04:09,570 --> 02:04:14,100 hard to say I mean, it could be anywhere from 50,000 to 400,000. 2172 02:04:14,130 --> 02:04:18,510 Yeah, that's about the same range. And it's impossible to 2173 02:04:18,510 --> 02:04:22,620 tell from the downloads. And you know, the proxies. And of 2174 02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:27,090 course, I'm sure there's a small percentage that is maybe not 2175 02:04:27,090 --> 02:04:31,560 downloading at all, listening only to the stream, there's 2176 02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:33,360 people getting a bit torrent 2177 02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:37,440 because we only have you know, in terms of pure subscribers 2178 02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,830 that are paying the $5 we only have about 1500 of those people. 2179 02:04:41,490 --> 02:04:46,260 We have not pushed There you go. That's very hard to do the $5 2180 02:04:46,260 --> 02:04:48,900 thing some people done the 30 Some people say I'm not going to 2181 02:04:48,900 --> 02:04:52,530 do it till you make it 10 And I haven't put that up. So I mean, 2182 02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:54,750 that's you know, and then they every time they change their 2183 02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:57,810 credit card or some number they get bounced by Pay Pal so they 2184 02:04:57,810 --> 02:05:00,240 don't have the subscription anymore. I get letters saying, 2185 02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:02,850 Well, I sorry, but I didn't realize I haven't had a 2186 02:05:02,850 --> 02:05:06,210 subscription for six months because Pay Pal bounced it. And 2187 02:05:06,210 --> 02:05:10,200 I gotta re subscribe. Sorry, you know, they apologize. And some 2188 02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:13,140 people get bounced for no good reason. It's, you know, we were 2189 02:05:13,140 --> 02:05:17,580 not that stable that we need more subscribers for sure. We'll 2190 02:05:17,610 --> 02:05:20,580 push that we'll be pushing that, probably on the show more. 2191 02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:25,020 Okay, I've two more things. One more. One is I actually would 2192 02:05:25,020 --> 02:05:30,180 like to know, how you prep for the show. I think I already 2193 02:05:30,180 --> 02:05:31,170 explained what I do, 2194 02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:35,790 I don't do, I don't, generally what I do is I typically take 2195 02:05:35,790 --> 02:05:40,920 the articles and things that I found, and I print them out and 2196 02:05:41,130 --> 02:05:44,850 pile them up as they as they come because I get most of my 2197 02:05:44,850 --> 02:05:48,330 stuff online. And then I'm always making clips because they 2198 02:05:48,330 --> 02:05:51,930 have an h2 recorder by the by my side at all times. And I'm 2199 02:05:52,260 --> 02:05:55,410 constantly jumping up even with the full family could be 2200 02:05:55,410 --> 02:05:57,930 watching a movie or something I'm jumping up and stopping the 2201 02:05:57,930 --> 02:06:01,860 movie, backing it up and then getting a clip. And then you 2202 02:06:01,860 --> 02:06:04,200 know, so I collect a lot of I spent most of my time collecting 2203 02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:08,400 clips and articles, and I don't organize them very well is 2204 02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:10,860 because of the nature of the show, I've always assuming that 2205 02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:14,100 it's going to go anywhere, because you never know what you 2206 02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:16,770 know who's going to bring up a topic that gets interesting in 2207 02:06:16,770 --> 02:06:20,880 the conversation itself. So I shall I'm probably underprepared 2208 02:06:22,050 --> 02:06:26,040 in terms of pure preparation, not in terms of the work that 2209 02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,860 goes into getting the clips and all and reading a lot. But in 2210 02:06:28,860 --> 02:06:30,840 terms of like thinking about what I'm going to do, I do 2211 02:06:30,930 --> 02:06:33,600 occasionally will take a bunch of notes early, if you watch the 2212 02:06:33,810 --> 02:06:36,420 or listen to the show, maybe a year ago, I would have these 2213 02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:39,840 notes, I used to ridicule myself for having taken terrible notes 2214 02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,990 I can't read. And that was a little more preparation. But I 2215 02:06:42,990 --> 02:06:44,910 found that it really hasn't, that didn't do anything to 2216 02:06:44,910 --> 02:06:49,380 improve the show. And it also kind of puts you if I if I 2217 02:06:49,410 --> 02:06:53,280 prepare too much out, I'll try to dominate the show. And which 2218 02:06:53,310 --> 02:06:55,110 Ryan who kind of was the patient flow. 2219 02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:59,340 In the for me, the only I do collect everything, because I 2220 02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:02,370 find if you look at the show notes versus what we talked 2221 02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:06,030 about in the show, I mean, the show notes are often four times 2222 02:07:06,030 --> 02:07:10,020 as much information. And I think that is a valuable part of the 2223 02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:14,760 show, for people to be able to go and research stuff and look 2224 02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:17,850 at things and there is a reasonable segment of the 2225 02:07:17,850 --> 02:07:21,420 audience that really uses that and appreciates it and looks at 2226 02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:25,410 it. Some of the iPhone apps give you good access to it and search 2227 02:07:25,410 --> 02:07:30,750 ability. But I'm all I'm typically always hoping, just 2228 02:07:30,750 --> 02:07:35,520 hoping that I can find from a radio production perspective. 2229 02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,670 Here it is. I'm hoping that there's one or two zingers that 2230 02:07:38,670 --> 02:07:42,660 I have either it's a clip or its story or something and I'll work 2231 02:07:42,660 --> 02:07:47,010 on that. And I cannot go to bed on a Wednesday night or a 2232 02:07:47,010 --> 02:07:50,460 Saturday night without knowing I have something and I sometimes 2233 02:07:50,460 --> 02:07:54,090 will try out my my rap on Mickey. I'll say how does this 2234 02:07:54,090 --> 02:07:57,690 sound? And usually I get shut down. Yeah, 2235 02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:00,300 I refuse to do that. I think that's overdoing it. 2236 02:08:00,330 --> 02:08:02,370 I get shot down. Good. 2237 02:08:02,430 --> 02:08:07,500 So here's a quick question that somebody has for you. What 2238 02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:10,890 happened to the global blank fund? Adam was supposed to have 2239 02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:15,300 a big report on it. The what? Remember that fun. You were 2240 02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:18,810 talking about that? That money that was hidden during the 2241 02:08:18,810 --> 02:08:21,150 Reagan administration or something? Oh, 2242 02:08:21,180 --> 02:08:25,530 you know? Yeah, the was a French name. 2243 02:08:27,420 --> 02:08:30,870 Yeah, was brought from Monday. Okay. Well, you know, there's 2244 02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:31,740 your answer, Brian. 2245 02:08:31,860 --> 02:08:34,860 Yeah, no, well, I hit so many dead ends, and I just don't have 2246 02:08:34,860 --> 02:08:36,570 the time to spend my life. 2247 02:08:37,110 --> 02:08:39,570 Yeah. And it's not going to bring bring anything. It is 2248 02:08:39,570 --> 02:08:39,840 there's 2249 02:08:39,870 --> 02:08:43,530 there's, I guess the answer is, no one has done enough reporting 2250 02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:46,920 that at least that I could find that makes it believable, 2251 02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:50,970 believable or credible enough. And the only way to really get 2252 02:08:50,970 --> 02:08:53,850 into it is I'd have to do the investigative work myself. And 2253 02:08:53,850 --> 02:08:55,290 that's obviously not going to happen. 2254 02:08:55,470 --> 02:08:59,160 Okay. Hugs a lot asks, what's the actual cost of producing the 2255 02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:03,000 show? Most podcasts have zero budgets and still produce shows. 2256 02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:05,250 DSC is done free? 2257 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:09,600 No, no, it's not. That's not true. DSC is a part of what 2258 02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,750 these founding and sustain sustaining producers have the no 2259 02:09:12,750 --> 02:09:15,540 agenda stream donated their money for and we'll have to do 2260 02:09:15,540 --> 02:09:21,330 another drive. And you know, what is the actual cost? And 2261 02:09:21,330 --> 02:09:24,660 what does it cost you to go to work? You know, there's actual 2262 02:09:24,660 --> 02:09:29,790 cost this is actual time it's there's preparation. Value for 2263 02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:33,990 value. That's the way it works. Time is definitely money. So is 2264 02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:37,110 their actual, you know, would you like me to charge by the 2265 02:09:37,110 --> 02:09:40,410 hour the amount of time it took me to set up the studio? That's 2266 02:09:40,410 --> 02:09:41,580 just one little thing. No, you 2267 02:09:41,580 --> 02:09:44,070 don't not sure what I actually the question to me is vague. I 2268 02:09:44,070 --> 02:09:48,570 don't know what it means. dz picks asks what iPhone iPad app 2269 02:09:48,570 --> 02:09:51,840 does Adam used for the jingles sound bank? 2270 02:09:52,769 --> 02:10:01,619 I use a program called sound bite. Be one I T E, one word 2271 02:10:01,619 --> 02:10:07,049 sound bite on the Mac. It is created made by black cat 2272 02:10:07,079 --> 02:10:13,169 software. And I've just kind of been, they essentially 2273 02:10:13,169 --> 02:10:16,889 replicated a cart machine, they look like cards, you can color 2274 02:10:16,889 --> 02:10:19,829 them like you would color a an A card is a cartridge just as the 2275 02:10:19,829 --> 02:10:22,949 old school way of putting jingles into a jingle machine. 2276 02:10:23,609 --> 02:10:27,389 And it's pretty customizable. And what's nice about it is they 2277 02:10:27,389 --> 02:10:31,139 released an iPhone app, which I can run on the iPad, although it 2278 02:10:31,139 --> 02:10:34,859 kind of sucks because it's it runs in iPhone mode, and you 2279 02:10:34,859 --> 02:10:37,559 kind of enlarge it and it doesn't work very well. In fact, 2280 02:10:37,619 --> 02:10:43,739 today, I didn't use it at all. But normally, I do. And it 2281 02:10:43,739 --> 02:10:48,209 brings up the screen of your cart deck the way it looks on 2282 02:10:48,209 --> 02:10:50,879 the computer screen. And the only way if I had, I would 2283 02:10:50,879 --> 02:10:55,199 prefer to have an extra monitor instead of having the the iPad 2284 02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:58,799 run that because I use two monitors because I have a lot of 2285 02:10:58,799 --> 02:11:03,179 stuff that I have to monitor. And really what I need is I need 2286 02:11:03,179 --> 02:11:06,569 to be able to connect a third screen to my laptop. I don't 2287 02:11:06,569 --> 02:11:08,579 think that's an easy thing to do, though. 2288 02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:14,760 Okay. Here's an interesting question you should be able to 2289 02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:18,060 answer I'm gonna have you do it if you can. I bought Nokia 71. 2290 02:11:18,060 --> 02:11:20,400 Because you said you like and how do I get the stream to work 2291 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:21,150 on it? Can we do that? 2292 02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:27,360 There is actually in the Nokia Ovi Store, which is their 2293 02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:32,430 version of the app store. There is a just released if you go 2294 02:11:32,430 --> 02:11:37,110 there. And it's like create your own Nokia app, I think they're 2295 02:11:37,110 --> 02:11:41,880 actually calling them apps, you can enter the RSS feed for no 2296 02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:46,140 agenda. And it will create an app for your phone. And then you 2297 02:11:46,140 --> 02:11:49,950 can put that on your phone. It does not do the streaming bit 2298 02:11:49,950 --> 02:11:57,210 but you can get streaming programs all over the place for 2299 02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:00,060 for the Nokia. But I think it's more interesting just to be able 2300 02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:05,280 to, to make your own app for the for the for the episodes. 2301 02:12:05,310 --> 02:12:09,210 So that's how you do that. And Blackberry, by the way, also was 2302 02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:11,160 coming out they called me like yeah, 2303 02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:14,820 we're gonna do podcasting on the Blackberry. Can you log in and 2304 02:12:14,820 --> 02:12:18,360 put in your shows for your company and I put it in? No 2305 02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:22,800 agenda, daily source code, tech, five top five cranky geeks and 2306 02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:28,650 then I got bored. So apparently there's some podcasting thing on 2307 02:12:28,650 --> 02:12:33,750 BlackBerry. So yeah. Any more from the chat room? 2308 02:12:34,980 --> 02:12:37,500 Twitter, Twitter. Let me see if there's one more here. There was 2309 02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:40,560 111. Second, just got to see who's texting me. Oh, my cute 2310 02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:45,510 guy says the show's gone from a show with no jingles and no 2311 02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:51,000 talent to a glut of both. Thought that was kind of unique. 2312 02:12:51,450 --> 02:12:54,930 It's gone to a what? At? We have a glut of talent. And apparently 2313 02:12:54,930 --> 02:12:59,160 on the show. It's just the same two guys. Somebody else asks, 2314 02:12:59,370 --> 02:13:01,980 the show has changed a lot since its inception is the same guy 2315 02:13:01,980 --> 02:13:05,700 actually opera now? Do you prefer the new format? And uh, 2316 02:13:05,700 --> 02:13:09,240 you know, obviously we do, or wouldn't be doing it. And the 2317 02:13:09,240 --> 02:13:11,970 audience does more? The audience does, too. I mean, you know, the 2318 02:13:11,970 --> 02:13:14,370 show is, you know, has its, you know, 2319 02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,910 you know, I've been broadcasting long enough, you always have 2320 02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:20,760 people who say, Oh, was much better than Oh, it was better, 2321 02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:21,180 though. Oh, 2322 02:13:21,180 --> 02:13:23,400 no, I have the same thing. As a writer, you get this. I have 2323 02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:25,800 people that still say when you are writing that column for 2324 02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:29,010 InfoWorld, it was much better. Yeah. And I looked at those I 2325 02:13:29,010 --> 02:13:33,480 can go back and look at that old crap. And it wasn't. Generally 2326 02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:35,550 speaking, things improve. Yeah, 2327 02:13:35,580 --> 02:13:38,850 I guess it's just, it's just the nature of the beast 2328 02:13:38,910 --> 02:13:42,480 is that it's in the nostalgia or you know, people at some point 2329 02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:45,390 people either like you more in time, because they hear you 2330 02:13:45,390 --> 02:13:48,300 more, they read you more, or they like you less in time, and 2331 02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:50,430 then they associate that with maybe you were doing something 2332 02:13:50,430 --> 02:13:53,550 different before. Generally speaking, you weren't. 2333 02:13:54,059 --> 02:13:58,409 Alright, so wrapping this up? What's the future? 2334 02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:01,110 Well, we got another 200 shows to do. 2335 02:14:01,530 --> 02:14:05,700 At least now we have what we have at least until episode 333. 2336 02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:07,200 Well, before we 2337 02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:10,860 do another promotion like the deuce Club. Well, we got to 2338 02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:14,850 thank all the dues club members profusely, we'll do that over 2339 02:14:14,850 --> 02:14:20,250 time and in the on the web page. And I think, you know, we not 2340 02:14:20,250 --> 02:14:24,660 showing any indication of slower growth, but people still like to 2341 02:14:24,660 --> 02:14:27,660 show I think the great thing and we've talked about this off off 2342 02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:32,100 off the air a lot. There's a there's so much material for us. 2343 02:14:32,250 --> 02:14:35,940 Yeah, I think the show there's only there's only growth because 2344 02:14:35,970 --> 02:14:37,950 it just comes automatically 2345 02:14:37,980 --> 02:14:41,910 it's getting worse. Yeah, they're laying everybody off the 2346 02:14:41,940 --> 02:14:46,470 the the Obama administration is getting worse. They're lying to 2347 02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:51,450 the public just straight out. You know, there's these crazy 2348 02:14:51,450 --> 02:14:53,640 things that Hill and Knowlton are doing. I mean, now that I 2349 02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:56,160 find that they're the behind all the global warming stuff that 2350 02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:58,860 you know, we're doomed, that that's going to go through 2351 02:14:58,860 --> 02:15:03,060 because you can't stop The Hill and Knowlton, I don't know, are 2352 02:15:03,060 --> 02:15:03,210 you? 2353 02:15:03,420 --> 02:15:06,090 Are you worried that the show will ever get like taken off the 2354 02:15:06,090 --> 02:15:06,450 air? 2355 02:15:07,770 --> 02:15:10,620 Not seriously, but it could be it could take be taken off the 2356 02:15:10,620 --> 02:15:11,460 air. I don't think 2357 02:15:11,850 --> 02:15:15,630 this, by the way is a huge benefit of, of our model. 2358 02:15:15,870 --> 02:15:19,200 Because if you have advertisers, that's the attack mechanism, 2359 02:15:19,230 --> 02:15:22,500 that's where your weakest when the minute someone doesn't like 2360 02:15:22,500 --> 02:15:25,710 what you say, Look at look at Imus, you know, and that's just 2361 02:15:25,740 --> 02:15:28,770 one example. The minute you go somewhere that they don't like 2362 02:15:28,770 --> 02:15:32,220 you then then the audience. For us, it's easy. The audience like 2363 02:15:32,220 --> 02:15:34,650 what we do, we get no money. It's like, okay, we can turn 2364 02:15:34,650 --> 02:15:37,770 that around around in one episode, we can go, Okay, we 2365 02:15:37,770 --> 02:15:40,860 went off the track there, we can get back on. But when your 2366 02:15:40,860 --> 02:15:43,770 advertisers pull out, then the network goes nuts. And then 2367 02:15:43,770 --> 02:15:46,230 you're then you're out of a job, you're dead. You're gone your 2368 02:15:46,230 --> 02:15:46,770 history. 2369 02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:49,800 And you lost it. You know, there was you don't have control from 2370 02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:52,860 the get go. Yeah. And that's another reason I think the 2371 02:15:52,860 --> 02:15:56,280 direct support is the way to go is open source. We don't care. 2372 02:15:56,610 --> 02:15:58,980 One of the things that's great about our say, well, one of the, 2373 02:15:59,220 --> 02:16:01,320 you know, if somebody's bootlegs, the show puts on their 2374 02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,990 own website takes credit for say they produce it, I don't care. 2375 02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:09,300 The fact is, our messages are embedded in the show. And they 2376 02:16:09,330 --> 02:16:12,390 it goes with us, we don't need to prove numbers. We don't say 2377 02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:16,920 all our numbers from Arbitron came in and we got to three, 2378 02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,760 three, and this is due here. Look, Mr. advertiser, give us 2379 02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:23,970 some more money. We have a better CPM, we have a certain 2380 02:16:23,970 --> 02:16:26,940 demo, they have to prove our demo. And we have to prove the 2381 02:16:26,940 --> 02:16:28,980 CPM and this and that. And the other thing, I mean, it's 2382 02:16:28,980 --> 02:16:29,550 ridiculous 2383 02:16:29,580 --> 02:16:32,160 for those days when you when you wait for the arbitrage to come 2384 02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:35,640 out and the whole station was like tiptoeing around. Well, we 2385 02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:39,810 know the trends are down. So we're, How bad will it be? Or? 2386 02:16:40,139 --> 02:16:43,109 Yeah, we don't deal with any of that. We don't want to it's 2387 02:16:43,109 --> 02:16:46,439 ridiculous. And we completely independent. We don't have 2388 02:16:46,439 --> 02:16:49,979 anybody telling us what to do. We don't have advertisers 2389 02:16:49,979 --> 02:16:53,189 telling us what to do, which is the real danger here. And I did 2390 02:16:53,219 --> 02:16:56,609 without exception. The only way we would be taken off the air is 2391 02:16:56,609 --> 02:17:00,479 if the government or somebody sued us or the government 2392 02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:03,179 decided to pull the plug or they who knows I mean that but that's 2393 02:17:03,179 --> 02:17:05,969 not going to happen. We're gonna look we're below the radar. 2394 02:17:05,969 --> 02:17:09,809 We're crackpots. We believe it. We're conspiracy theory people 2395 02:17:09,809 --> 02:17:14,129 who know. And they will get taxed for being conspiracy 2396 02:17:14,129 --> 02:17:16,709 theory, guys. Yeah, that's the worst thing that could happen. 2397 02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:19,709 Well, I can live well, it seems to me that Alex Jones will get 2398 02:17:19,709 --> 02:17:22,379 taken out before we do. And that would be a nice warning shot. 2399 02:17:22,379 --> 02:17:24,929 We'd he's the he's the canary in the cage. As far as I'm 2400 02:17:24,929 --> 02:17:27,149 concerned, even though I don't think he does have to do work we 2401 02:17:27,149 --> 02:17:27,449 do. 2402 02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:31,350 I think he has good guests. But that's a different format. 2403 02:17:32,010 --> 02:17:33,960 But no, we can't. That's another thing. That's the one question 2404 02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:37,740 we should at least before we finish that we cannot do two 2405 02:17:37,740 --> 02:17:42,060 hours. Yeah. Well, we've done it again. Before we finish it, you 2406 02:17:42,060 --> 02:17:45,000 know, the people say, Well, can I be a guest on your show? Do 2407 02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:47,130 you how can we don't do this? How can we don't do that? We may 2408 02:17:47,130 --> 02:17:49,470 do some separate interview shows separately that will be on the 2409 02:17:49,470 --> 02:17:53,160 stream that will be part of some other initiative. This show is 2410 02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:56,700 what it is. It's two guys talking to each other about the 2411 02:17:56,730 --> 02:17:59,370 current events just like you do in a coffee shop with your 2412 02:17:59,370 --> 02:18:02,610 buddies is no guests. We don't do when you're in a coffee shop. 2413 02:18:02,610 --> 02:18:07,320 You don't say man coming in to just have a guest you know, so 2414 02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:09,840 and so just finished the book. So what was your book about? 2415 02:18:10,560 --> 02:18:12,000 This is not the Larry King show, 2416 02:18:12,030 --> 02:18:16,200 right? Well, anyway, so yeah, we were going to do an hour we're 2417 02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:17,040 moving up now. 2418 02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:21,510 What are we had to have the exact recording here we are at 2419 02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:26,610 145. Good job. Thank you again, to everyone who supports no 2420 02:18:26,610 --> 02:18:31,620 agenda, who supported this show. The deuce club thanks to 2421 02:18:31,620 --> 02:18:35,610 everyone who's out there and making websites and crazy ideas 2422 02:18:35,610 --> 02:18:41,910 and and promoting us. It is also your show. So I could just say 2423 02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:46,290 thank you, John. Thank you. I thank you I really it's the 2424 02:18:46,290 --> 02:18:49,680 highlight of my week twin that happens twice a week 2425 02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:53,129 and we'll try to do these special third shows every so 2426 02:18:53,129 --> 02:18:54,899 often. And 2427 02:18:55,170 --> 02:18:56,370 what are we gonna talk about? 2428 02:18:57,059 --> 02:19:01,709 Well I think we talked out I'll bet we could do another two hour 2429 02:19:01,709 --> 02:19:07,259 I you know I was just about to say not a problem and in our in 2430 02:19:07,259 --> 02:19:09,239 our spouse what do you think it's so weird that I don't use 2431 02:19:09,239 --> 02:19:09,839 headphones 2432 02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:13,800 it's it's a typical for for radio guys in 2433 02:19:14,459 --> 02:19:20,159 a typical but but I managed because I use this the the pop 2434 02:19:20,159 --> 02:19:24,659 screen yeah as my point of departure. And so if I keep my 2435 02:19:24,659 --> 02:19:27,659 lips within a quarter inch of the pop screen I'm within range 2436 02:19:27,689 --> 02:19:29,249 of this microphone. We're back 2437 02:19:29,250 --> 02:19:34,530 by the way with the last bit of this special episode. And this 2438 02:19:34,530 --> 02:19:37,680 is you can tell that we speak exactly the same way off air as 2439 02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:41,910 we do. Why do you think that's a weird? 2440 02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:46,590 That's you know, it reminds me of like I tell people this when 2441 02:19:46,590 --> 02:19:49,590 you give them trying to give people teleprompter training 2442 02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:52,830 that and then the funny thing is when I remember years and years 2443 02:19:52,830 --> 02:19:56,310 ago is doing some some body or radio thing of some sort and I 2444 02:19:56,310 --> 02:19:59,850 was reading advertising copy. And there was just a moment 2445 02:19:59,850 --> 02:20:02,580 where The Read became my actual voice. 2446 02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:06,240 Oh, that's when you get the gig, obviously. And you go, Oh 2447 02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:10,110 my God, that sounds so cool. Yeah, sounds actually natural. 2448 02:20:11,340 --> 02:20:13,590 Now, by the way, there's one thing I did want to mention that 2449 02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:16,860 in the first half is this does stammering I do all the time, I 2450 02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:19,980 think is annoying. Thank God, people don't bitch about it. 2451 02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:21,810 I don't notice that at all. 2452 02:20:22,260 --> 02:20:24,090 Yeah, well, I do when I hear myself. 2453 02:20:24,270 --> 02:20:28,080 Well, you know, everyone has, there's a lot of stuff I don't 2454 02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,490 like about how I talk. 2455 02:20:30,900 --> 02:20:36,300 Now, you sound a lot better than I do. Anyway. So I think this is 2456 02:20:36,690 --> 02:20:38,370 pretty much wraps this show up? 2457 02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:41,790 Well, I just wanted to say they're the format. We're not 2458 02:20:41,790 --> 02:20:45,390 the format. If anything, the show has kind of developed a 2459 02:20:45,390 --> 02:20:51,540 format. That for me, you know, there there there is a change, 2460 02:20:51,540 --> 02:20:56,070 which was driven more by the world around us. And when I say 2461 02:20:56,070 --> 02:21:00,300 the world, I mean, the media world, is that now that there's 2462 02:21:00,300 --> 02:21:07,590 less and less news, actually being presented in our in our in 2463 02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:11,130 the mainstream media, I think that both of us have have taken 2464 02:21:11,130 --> 02:21:15,780 it upon ourselves to work much harder, had actually finding, 2465 02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,300 you know, knew the words. I mean, we're doing more 2466 02:21:18,300 --> 02:21:21,480 uncovering and I mean, I jokingly call myself government 2467 02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:22,680 legislation analyst. 2468 02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:25,680 Did you get the email from the guest says that was redundant. 2469 02:21:25,890 --> 02:21:26,460 No, I 2470 02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:29,370 don't or I haven't seen it yet. Oh, yeah. Well, a guy says, 2471 02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:32,460 well, could you call yourself that all legislation is 2472 02:21:32,460 --> 02:21:35,610 government legislation or can't be called legislation? So you're 2473 02:21:35,820 --> 02:21:37,620 being redundant. You shouldn't be calling yourself an 2474 02:21:37,620 --> 02:21:39,960 independent legislation analyst. 2475 02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:42,570 No, or something that doesn't sound good at cocktail parties. 2476 02:21:42,570 --> 02:21:45,480 When you say, government legislation analyst? Yeah, no, 2477 02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:49,980 I'm just telling you, you need to realize it's redundant. Now, 2478 02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:53,430 yeah, I think that will you've done a lot more reading of deep 2479 02:21:53,430 --> 02:21:57,720 reading and gotten into reading legislation. I had not gone that 2480 02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:02,850 way I have. I'm more. I'm still flipped, floundering in some of 2481 02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:03,300 this stuff. 2482 02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:06,330 No, I disagree. Because you're doing something interesting. 2483 02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:08,790 You're especially the last couple of shows you've been 2484 02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:12,030 tuning in to a lot of foreign media sources. Still English 2485 02:22:12,030 --> 02:22:13,350 spoken in general? 2486 02:22:14,010 --> 02:22:16,680 Yeah, I have gone to the foreign sources. And then, because 2487 02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:18,750 that's the only thing I've been able to do where I'll bring 2488 02:22:18,750 --> 02:22:20,670 these stories up. And you haven't heard in, which proves 2489 02:22:20,670 --> 02:22:24,030 my point, that these stories are not getting out there yet. Some 2490 02:22:24,030 --> 02:22:26,250 of these stories were interesting, like the Cambodian 2491 02:22:26,730 --> 02:22:27,780 child, but yeah, 2492 02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,470 it hits CNN. No, actually, me. Yeah, we 2493 02:22:31,500 --> 02:22:34,380 that's another thing we we've done over we since the Red Book 2494 02:22:34,380 --> 02:22:37,110 began. And actually even before that, people are finally 2495 02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:39,810 realizing that we're way ahead of the curve on some of these 2496 02:22:39,810 --> 02:22:41,700 stories are way ahead of the curve. 2497 02:22:41,970 --> 02:22:44,430 Well, yeah, just look at drones. I mean, I think I don't think it 2498 02:22:44,430 --> 02:22:48,000 was in 205 that I can remember, but I know we were talking about 2499 02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:53,160 drones as far back as 2010. And it kind of creeps up on you. And 2500 02:22:53,340 --> 02:22:55,320 sometimes just gotta remind myself like, man, we've been 2501 02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:58,950 talking about this for so long. And we were joking about drones 2502 02:22:58,950 --> 02:23:02,940 overhead. Now it's mainstream conversation, just mainstream 2503 02:23:02,940 --> 02:23:03,840 conversation. 2504 02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:07,080 So let's wrap this one up, give people a heads up on the next 2505 02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:12,420 show. And then we hope they'll keep helping us here. Yes, with 2506 02:23:12,420 --> 02:23:17,280 the donations to even though we're not live. We are live to 2507 02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:20,730 tape, but it's kind of a and we're gonna be back. Let's 2508 02:23:20,730 --> 02:23:22,890 interrupt these guys once again, is what we're talking about 2509 02:23:22,890 --> 02:23:26,430 earlier in the show. Yeah. Now, this is the end. We've 2510 02:23:26,430 --> 02:23:30,570 interrupted ourselves twice here. And anything else? So 2511 02:23:30,570 --> 02:23:33,030 there's a couple of things that I suppose we should wrap with. 2512 02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:36,780 I'd like to I'd like to talk about how best to interact with 2513 02:23:36,780 --> 02:23:41,070 the show with with stories and ideas. And this is this is 2514 02:23:41,070 --> 02:23:43,290 really from my end. I don't know you. Yeah, this 2515 02:23:43,290 --> 02:23:47,640 hasn't been discussed yet. Yeah. Discuss it occasionally on the 2516 02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:48,480 regular show, right. 2517 02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:53,670 So when you're when you have a lot of email as an example, I've 2518 02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:56,310 tried to do this before, you know, please be descriptive in 2519 02:23:56,310 --> 02:23:59,520 your subject line, etc. And please be as short as possible. 2520 02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,890 And sometimes it's just not possible people have a story, if 2521 02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:04,290 you have a story to tell if there's something important if 2522 02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:07,410 you have new information, new shit has come to light. All of 2523 02:24:07,410 --> 02:24:10,200 that, of course is fine. But again, subject lines are very 2524 02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:14,910 important. We think about going through two or 300 emails, you 2525 02:24:14,910 --> 02:24:17,760 know, 10 seconds makes a difference in my life. It really 2526 02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:22,140 does. So for me, please if you have a link or something that's 2527 02:24:22,140 --> 02:24:26,220 just funny, or something you feel is relevant. Tweet it to me 2528 02:24:26,250 --> 02:24:31,500 I read every single tweet I probably will not retweet if you 2529 02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:33,510 send some something that I'm going to use on the show I will 2530 02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:36,720 always favorite it so you know that I've read it. And the 2531 02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:39,750 reason why is it's I go down a list and it's Ling Ling Ling 2532 02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:42,630 Ling like I don't have to open an email, don't have to go to 2533 02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:45,450 the next email don't have to read a whole thing. Just you're 2534 02:24:45,450 --> 02:24:49,590 limited to 140 characters is beautiful. If you send it that 2535 02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:53,760 way. And the same for John the same thing and also, don't send 2536 02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:57,810 the same great idea to both of us. That sucks. Send that to 2537 02:24:57,810 --> 02:25:01,500 John or to me. Don't say sending it Both is generally not a good 2538 02:25:01,500 --> 02:25:05,040 idea. Because sometimes I think, Oh, well, John will have that. 2539 02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:07,500 Or you may think I'm doing it and sometimes you wind up not 2540 02:25:07,500 --> 02:25:12,270 even covering it. These are very, very important things and 2541 02:25:12,270 --> 02:25:14,610 encryption, if you really, truly 2542 02:25:15,030 --> 02:25:17,460 are sending some government guy, you need 2543 02:25:17,460 --> 02:25:20,970 to encrypt, because I can promise you anonymity because my 2544 02:25:20,970 --> 02:25:25,230 system is set up. So I will know that I won't blow the blow your 2545 02:25:25,230 --> 02:25:28,050 cover, but there's going to be copies and there's just stuff 2546 02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:31,050 you if you really want to be protected, then learn how to do 2547 02:25:31,050 --> 02:25:32,760 encryption. It's not all that hard. 2548 02:25:33,870 --> 02:25:36,210 Yeah, and send the encrypted stuff down. Because I, you know, 2549 02:25:36,210 --> 02:25:40,170 I more lacks about I don't, and then a lot of time worrying 2550 02:25:40,170 --> 02:25:40,590 about it, 2551 02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:43,890 many people will send me clips. So they'll have oh, here's four 2552 02:25:43,890 --> 02:25:47,520 clips I made. Please don't do that. I appreciate it. But 2553 02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:51,450 typically, I'm just winding up, you know, clipping your clips, 2554 02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,090 if you want to send me a sound file of something that's highly 2555 02:25:54,090 --> 02:25:57,630 appreciated, because that saves me a lot of time in recording 2556 02:25:57,630 --> 02:26:00,360 something or encoding it or taking it off the web, whatever. 2557 02:26:01,410 --> 02:26:04,710 Let me see. So that's yeah, those are probably the only 2558 02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:05,280 thing I actually 2559 02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:08,430 don't have so much of a problem with the clips to send them to 2560 02:26:08,430 --> 02:26:11,490 me. But if you have a long clip, or a reference clip where it 2561 02:26:11,490 --> 02:26:15,120 says, Oh, look at this YouTube video do put the time. 2562 02:26:15,660 --> 02:26:19,380 Oh, yes, please. Yeah, please tell me where it's real. And 2563 02:26:19,470 --> 02:26:23,100 some kind of descriptor like, you'll love this and 54 minutes 2564 02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:26,400 20 No, I won't. I don't love that. 2565 02:26:26,670 --> 02:26:29,940 Yeah, that sort of thing is not good. Now. It's not helpful. 2566 02:26:30,060 --> 02:26:31,680 That's our listen to this. Are 2567 02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:35,760 we? You won't believe this. Yeah. And I 2568 02:26:35,790 --> 02:26:39,210 don't mind getting the email. But you have to realize I get 2569 02:26:39,210 --> 02:26:43,740 more email than Adam. I'm betting I don't think so. I get 2570 02:26:43,740 --> 02:26:51,210 over 450 pieces a day? Oh, no, I'm probably about 40 an hour is 2571 02:26:51,210 --> 02:26:55,890 what I get. Well, that would be 800. And well, but it does slow 2572 02:26:55,890 --> 02:26:59,250 down during certain hours. So we're probably close, not far 2573 02:26:59,250 --> 02:26:59,760 from it. 2574 02:26:59,880 --> 02:27:04,080 I go through my email. And pretty much I if I look at my 2575 02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:08,430 email page right now, like from Zillow says from yesterday, and 2576 02:27:08,430 --> 02:27:11,130 there'll be a page of I think there's like 35 on the page, the 2577 02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:15,540 way squirrel mail delivers it. Squirrel value squirrel mail, 2578 02:27:17,550 --> 02:27:24,180 these 35 entries, and I'd say three, were opened. I do it 2579 02:27:24,180 --> 02:27:28,020 based on on subject lines. And person if it's somebody I know 2580 02:27:28,020 --> 02:27:31,860 that I have, you know, commonly converse with Yeah, I'll check 2581 02:27:31,860 --> 02:27:35,610 theirs out. But I find looked at or read through these. Now you 2582 02:27:35,610 --> 02:27:38,640 say why am I why am I opening this or the worst thing that 2583 02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:41,520 happens to the email, which is the FIFO problem that we've 2584 02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,190 discussed on the show? I'll say, Oh, this 2585 02:27:44,190 --> 02:27:47,280 is good. We didn't discuss this in 200.5 or six. 2586 02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:51,030 We've discussed it on the regular show, which is the last 2587 02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:54,060 thing that comes in as the first thing that goes out. And here's 2588 02:27:54,060 --> 02:27:56,880 how it works. I get an email. Oh, this is great. I'm gonna 2589 02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:59,580 have to do this for the show. Now, if I don't print the email 2590 02:27:59,580 --> 02:28:02,310 out, which is do I use a printer? Adam doesn't? If I 2591 02:28:02,310 --> 02:28:05,340 don't, because he uses the freedom controller. If I don't 2592 02:28:05,340 --> 02:28:08,820 print it out right there. And I say to myself, which I know I 2593 02:28:08,820 --> 02:28:11,550 shouldn't do, but I'll do it anyway. I'll get back 2594 02:28:11,550 --> 02:28:14,610 to that doesn't happen. Yeah, flagging and all that stuff 2595 02:28:14,610 --> 02:28:15,270 never works. 2596 02:28:15,330 --> 02:28:18,660 No, it doesn't work. I never get back to because I can't find it. 2597 02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:22,200 I saw who sent that. Who sent that? What was the title and now 2598 02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:25,440 try to dream up that do searches on subject lines. I can now I 2599 02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:27,270 was in it. And it's gone. 2600 02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:32,850 Right? Oh, another thing. It is not helpful to if you have a 2601 02:28:32,850 --> 02:28:37,530 great like, oh, this document or this legislation. People send 2602 02:28:37,530 --> 02:28:42,420 that to me on show day morning. And what happens is of course I 2603 02:28:42,420 --> 02:28:46,290 don't have time to dive into it. The Oh, this would be great for 2604 02:28:46,290 --> 02:28:50,220 today's show. No it won't because I'm already way way down 2605 02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:52,350 the path. There's always room for things but certainly 2606 02:28:52,350 --> 02:28:56,100 something I have to read and parse and I like marking up PDFs 2607 02:28:56,790 --> 02:29:01,140 no send it to me after the show or a day before not not show 2608 02:29:01,140 --> 02:29:04,050 morning. And that's it sad because there's a lot of good 2609 02:29:04,050 --> 02:29:06,720 stuff and then I have the same problem. By the time I'm back 2610 02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:09,420 around. It's like I don't remember it or you know, I 2611 02:29:09,420 --> 02:29:13,110 didn't put it in the right place or just the stuff you get his 2612 02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:13,380 stuff 2613 02:29:13,380 --> 02:29:21,750 between pacific time anyway. between noon and I'd say five on 2614 02:29:22,020 --> 02:29:25,290 Wednesdays and Saturday. That's helpful. Yeah, it has a better 2615 02:29:25,290 --> 02:29:29,190 shot. But then I have this Trump because we talked about how we 2616 02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:32,910 finish the show. And on show nights where I call show night 2617 02:29:32,910 --> 02:29:34,680 which is the night before the show. That's where you 2618 02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:37,620 with no sex is that what you call Well, 2619 02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:42,960 sex would be better but distracting show night would be 2620 02:29:43,140 --> 02:29:46,800 you have your getting your clips organized and thing I get to I 2621 02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:51,120 have to go to bed at right after I closed the books at midnight, 2622 02:29:51,630 --> 02:29:54,360 right at midnight Pacific time. So if you'd get a donation and 2623 02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:56,970 after that doesn't get it goes to the next show. It doesn't go 2624 02:29:56,970 --> 02:30:01,050 on and we're pretty strict. Yeah. And so So I closed that I 2625 02:30:01,050 --> 02:30:03,990 send all this stuff, I also have to type in all the checks that 2626 02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:07,290 came in over $50. So that's like a little, just extra work, which 2627 02:30:07,290 --> 02:30:10,950 is fine. Cuz some of the checks are, you know, nice, they got 2628 02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:14,130 notes. And it's interesting. So I had to send it all at Eric. 2629 02:30:14,130 --> 02:30:17,760 And then that's about done with all that about 1220. And I have 2630 02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:21,030 to go to bed because I gotta get up at seven to do the to move 2631 02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:24,690 the clips from. And I produced my clips in the morning before 2632 02:30:24,690 --> 02:30:27,720 the show, because the clips themselves even though I've 2633 02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:31,020 tried, I will put very descriptive stuff and this is 2634 02:30:31,020 --> 02:30:35,010 the job put the democracy now and I'll put the name of the 2635 02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:37,410 wood who's saying something and what were they're talking about, 2636 02:30:37,410 --> 02:30:41,010 I try to put it all in there. But 90% of the time, I can't get 2637 02:30:41,010 --> 02:30:44,700 it all in there. And because it's too long of a file name. 2638 02:30:44,700 --> 02:30:48,450 And so what I do I do the clips in the morning before the show, 2639 02:30:48,450 --> 02:30:52,560 I produce them, so I can remember them. So when I look at 2640 02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:56,970 the clips, right 20 clips, and I just I just produced them like 2641 02:30:56,970 --> 02:31:00,630 an hour earlier. Yeah, I can look at the clip and say, I know 2642 02:31:00,630 --> 02:31:01,620 that I just heard it. 2643 02:31:01,650 --> 02:31:04,830 I have the same thing. I that's the last thing I do. Before we 2644 02:31:04,830 --> 02:31:08,010 start the show is I organized the clips into little folders, 2645 02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:11,880 my clips, your clips are always in one folder. And that's the 2646 02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:14,850 only way I can remember them. Otherwise, if it's done too far 2647 02:31:14,850 --> 02:31:17,010 in advance now that I won't remember either one. What the 2648 02:31:17,010 --> 02:31:17,820 hell was that? 2649 02:31:18,180 --> 02:31:23,130 Yeah, like sometimes I'll carry a clip over for a week. On the 2650 02:31:23,130 --> 02:31:26,700 next show, and I won't know what it was. It says bear is that 2651 02:31:26,700 --> 02:31:30,240 what is that? Something that I really knew what that meant? 2652 02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:33,720 Three days ago, but now I don't know what it means. Hey, I want 2653 02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:34,710 to thank Eric 2654 02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:38,670 the shill. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Sorry. 2655 02:31:38,700 --> 02:31:42,540 Yeah, he he does all the rings and stuff. And he's customer 2656 02:31:42,540 --> 02:31:45,780 support, I guess would be what we'd call he's good at that. 2657 02:31:46,260 --> 02:31:50,460 He's really good. And I want to thank Mimi, who makes sure that 2658 02:31:51,300 --> 02:31:54,420 that we're all on the straight and narrow. Yeah, she does that. 2659 02:31:54,540 --> 02:31:59,490 And that's it. That's that's the whole no agenda. Things. Well, 2660 02:31:59,490 --> 02:32:01,800 the producers of course, the PL supporters 2661 02:32:02,460 --> 02:32:04,080 are grand dukes, we got time. 2662 02:32:04,110 --> 02:32:05,490 Yeah, it's a big deal. 2663 02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:11,010 Pals. mocker and holy holy moly, yeah. No, I'm not going to do 2664 02:32:11,010 --> 02:32:17,550 that. And but everyone, all the people who are students of this 2665 02:32:17,550 --> 02:32:20,580 people on you know, fixed income social wider range 2666 02:32:20,610 --> 02:32:24,270 of producers or listeners I have to say it's astonishes me that's 2667 02:32:24,270 --> 02:32:29,550 the most interesting thing is the number of the range that we 2668 02:32:29,550 --> 02:32:32,850 have of listeners, the demo is out of control. There's no way 2669 02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:34,740 you can isolate the demo. We could 2670 02:32:34,740 --> 02:32:38,490 we couldn't even sell this to an advertiser. Demos all over the 2671 02:32:38,490 --> 02:32:41,790 map. We don't know what they're gonna sell Mars bars or 2672 02:32:41,820 --> 02:32:44,430 geriatric underwear. We're not sure what we're supposed to sell 2673 02:32:44,430 --> 02:32:45,000 on your show 2674 02:32:45,060 --> 02:32:51,240 pablum. Exactly. You have no idea. I mean, I think it's great 2675 02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:54,660 to have a wide variety because that way our input we get a lot 2676 02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:58,590 of input. The input is from a wide variety of people. We have 2677 02:32:58,590 --> 02:33:00,900 people in the government we have people in intelligence, we have 2678 02:33:00,900 --> 02:33:04,590 people in the military, we have steel workers, we have dance, 2679 02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:08,700 things we talked about on the on the 200.5 show, which I wanted 2680 02:33:08,700 --> 02:33:11,700 to mention is that we were lamenting some of the people 2681 02:33:11,700 --> 02:33:15,900 that we had, you know who was the was the oldest show is 2682 02:33:15,900 --> 02:33:19,110 knighthoods random a rundown and we're trying well we need 2683 02:33:19,260 --> 02:33:23,460 lawyers and we need to put yours we'd like to have a butcher 2684 02:33:23,460 --> 02:33:27,540 listening we have at this point years later, five years later 2685 02:33:27,630 --> 02:33:31,050 that show we have all those all of them. Yeah, we have a knight 2686 02:33:31,050 --> 02:33:33,240 who's a butcher, we have a knight who's a dentist we have 2687 02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:35,670 plenty of doctors who are nice we have plenty of lawyers, we 2688 02:33:35,670 --> 02:33:39,750 have professors, we have professors we have again 2689 02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:43,200 military men, we have entrepreneurs, so everybody's on 2690 02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,840 board and we try to do the best we can to keep everybody 2691 02:33:45,870 --> 02:33:48,990 entertained as best we can I think we do a good job 2692 02:33:49,170 --> 02:33:52,740 I think so. If not we wouldn't be the show would be over 2693 02:33:52,770 --> 02:33:56,130 yes and that could happen if you know support if we lose our way 2694 02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:59,910 or we lose our it would be our fault Yeah, I agree. Something 2695 02:33:59,910 --> 02:34:03,930 would change and everyone rushed all this new show these guys are 2696 02:34:03,930 --> 02:34:07,500 doing dumb agenda dump agenda I've never heard a dumb agenda 2697 02:34:07,530 --> 02:34:10,800 heard of no agenda but not dumb agenda all dumb agenda so much 2698 02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:15,420 bad much bad listed as no. Yeah, really? It happened? 2699 02:34:15,660 --> 02:34:18,870 Yes, I'm cognizant of it every single every single show I'm 2700 02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:21,840 always happy that we get to do another one. 2701 02:34:22,350 --> 02:34:25,290 Right. And that just determined on a weekly basis and it 2702 02:34:25,290 --> 02:34:28,920 actually a twice weekly basis. And it depends on your help your 2703 02:34:28,920 --> 02:34:32,430 donations and your support to direct.org/and Eight It'd be my 2704 02:34:32,430 --> 02:34:34,230 last plug for that. And 2705 02:34:34,290 --> 02:34:40,260 the newsletter, I will say is of extreme important importance to 2706 02:34:40,260 --> 02:34:44,100 the show which you do all that and that is your science. Your 2707 02:34:44,130 --> 02:34:47,640 you really work very hard on getting people to open the 2708 02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:51,360 newsletter. Yeah, that was a challenge. And I encourage 2709 02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:54,720 everyone I've started moving the signup link to the top of the 2710 02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:57,510 show notes right on the homepage, sign up for the 2711 02:34:57,510 --> 02:34:59,970 newsletter there and then make sure that if you're on Gmail 2712 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,150 they'll make the probably in the promotions tab or yeah always 2713 02:35:03,150 --> 02:35:03,450 shows 2714 02:35:03,450 --> 02:35:06,420 up in the promotions tab will show up in spam once in a while 2715 02:35:06,420 --> 02:35:08,400 because these guys don't care about 2716 02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:12,630 you know, at all. And that is the bottom line. This is your 2717 02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:18,240 show. You produce it. This how it works. I can't say now the 2718 02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:21,480 way people are producing weed. Yeah, we have the the final 2719 02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:23,520 production, we put it all together, we try to lead you 2720 02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:27,420 into places where we think it'll be interesting. That's what we 2721 02:35:27,420 --> 02:35:31,560 do. But it really is. It's, I hate the word, but it's a 2722 02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:32,220 community. 2723 02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:34,020 Yeah, you don't hate that word, you're full of it. 2724 02:35:35,250 --> 02:35:38,940 It's like one of those words as a good word. Okay, it's a 2725 02:35:38,940 --> 02:35:42,720 community. And everyone's a part of it. And I'm like, everyone's 2726 02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:45,930 a part of it. And they, we this next, over the next year or so 2727 02:35:45,930 --> 02:35:48,660 we're going to try to create the more meetups so people can have 2728 02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:51,840 their little get togethers because it turns out, and we've 2729 02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,660 both witnessed this is that if you're out with the no agenda 2730 02:35:54,660 --> 02:35:58,500 community in anywhere from Michigan, to Tennessee, to 2731 02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:02,700 wherever, and there's an AI of Moscow, Moscow, you, if you have 2732 02:36:02,700 --> 02:36:05,610 them gather, a few of them gather together, and they all 2733 02:36:05,610 --> 02:36:08,910 like each other. Yeah, it's like it's like a social thing. 2734 02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:12,300 Because anyone who listens to no agenda will have a certain take 2735 02:36:12,300 --> 02:36:14,370 on the world. And that take on the world affects your 2736 02:36:14,370 --> 02:36:17,250 personality, and just the way that other people who listen to 2737 02:36:17,250 --> 02:36:20,700 no agenda usually end up liking each other. So it's a, we could 2738 02:36:20,700 --> 02:36:23,880 create a lot of long lasting friendships, if we put a little 2739 02:36:23,880 --> 02:36:26,370 more effort into that part of it. And I think we're going to 2740 02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:28,560 attempt to do more. And 2741 02:36:28,620 --> 02:36:34,500 certainly I plan to be on the road. In the in the coming fall. 2742 02:36:34,770 --> 02:36:38,400 I plan I still want to do my trip to the Sacramento train 2743 02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:40,140 museum on the Amtrak 2744 02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:43,650 beat up nice, great, everybody gets 2745 02:36:43,650 --> 02:36:48,750 on the train, they chunk it up to Sacramento. And we all go to 2746 02:36:48,750 --> 02:36:51,510 the train museum, look around, meet up having lunch in 2747 02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:54,090 Sacramento and then jump on the train and go back or stay there 2748 02:36:54,090 --> 02:36:58,350 where anyone wants to do I think it'd be fantastic. trains, 2749 02:36:59,250 --> 02:37:04,350 planes ban. We think of everyone from from San Jose, up through 2750 02:37:04,350 --> 02:37:06,900 the peninsula through San Francisco and on 2751 02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:10,320 nice. Well, I think I think we I think we did it. 2752 02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:13,170 I think so play us out my stroke. Yes. 2753 02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:17,190 I said this is another one of those things on the board. For 2754 02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:20,640 the Oh, yes, of course. For those of you who have the 2755 02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:24,480 opportunity to listen to the show live has its own merit and 2756 02:37:24,510 --> 02:37:29,340 is interesting, certainly if you're in the chat room, and not 2757 02:37:29,370 --> 02:37:32,760 not everybody knows that probably half an hour before we 2758 02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:37,620 start live. There's a pre stream and you know, play songs and 2759 02:37:37,620 --> 02:37:39,750 some of those sometimes even things we'll be playing in the 2760 02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:43,020 show itself, we've got some longer jingles or things that 2761 02:37:43,020 --> 02:37:45,000 have been sent in and it's a it's kind of a for me, 2762 02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:51,420 personally, I like it to get all kind of hyped up and pumped up. 2763 02:37:51,450 --> 02:37:55,170 That's right, pumped up and ready for the show. Okay, so the 2764 02:37:55,170 --> 02:37:58,830 next program that'll be your two interviews with Scully and how 2765 02:37:59,550 --> 02:38:01,860 did you say hail apples and John Sculley? 2766 02:38:03,300 --> 02:38:05,910 I didn't dream up hail Apple until after I did that 2767 02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:08,790 interview. It's too bad. It's too I went to the Apple store 2768 02:38:08,820 --> 02:38:11,040 locally here though. And I got recognized by two or three of 2769 02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,910 these Apple guys, and I brought up the hail apple. Did they like 2770 02:38:14,910 --> 02:38:16,110 it? They didn't get it? 2771 02:38:17,790 --> 02:38:19,290 Well, I'll say hail apple. John. I've 2772 02:38:19,290 --> 02:38:23,190 raised my arm. Hail Apple to you. Coming to you from the 2773 02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:26,550 crackpot condo here in FEMA Region six in downtown Austin, 2774 02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:28,410 Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 2775 02:38:28,470 --> 02:38:31,980 and from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain I'm John 2776 02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:33,060 C. Dvorak. We'll be 2777 02:38:33,060 --> 02:38:37,470 back with the interview show next week on 737 Adios mofos