1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,530 Hey may voices two fans, Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's 2 00:00:04,530 --> 00:00:07,890 Thursday, November 23 2017. This is your award winning game 3 00:00:07,950 --> 00:00:10,590 nation media assassination episode nine or eight. 4 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:12,960 This is no agenda, 5 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:17,550 appropriating the native culture of core and broadcasting live 6 00:00:17,550 --> 00:00:21,570 from downtown Austin capital and Star State and the co do in the 7 00:00:21,570 --> 00:00:24,270 morning everybody. I'm Adam curry in from 8 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:28,260 Northern Silicon Valley where it's a beautiful Thanksgiving 9 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:31,350 day the sun is shining. The turkeys are roaming around the 10 00:00:31,350 --> 00:00:35,130 neighborhood is unbelievable. I'm John C. Dvorak. Raglan 11 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:35,940 Buzzkill. 12 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:39,180 Those Berkley turkeys, 13 00:00:39,599 --> 00:00:43,139 there's turkeys all over the place. Happy Thanksgiving, 14 00:00:43,139 --> 00:00:43,859 everybody. 15 00:00:44,129 --> 00:00:47,429 We should be shooting them. They won't let us can't shoot the 16 00:00:47,429 --> 00:00:52,259 turkeys. Happy Thanksgiving, John. Happy Thanksgiving to you. 17 00:00:53,459 --> 00:00:57,209 And Happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. So this and 18 00:00:57,239 --> 00:01:01,319 yes, we should reveal that this is a pre recorded show. She 19 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:05,460 actually realized when I said broadcasting live like or or 20 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:07,890 live to tape. I'm live 21 00:01:07,890 --> 00:01:09,750 I'm a living. I'm a live guy. 22 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:16,140 So because we've taken Thanksgiving and the day after 23 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:18,540 off, because nobody, nobody listens to the show on 24 00:01:18,540 --> 00:01:21,330 Thanksgiving. Although if they do they're gonna get a good show 25 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,150 anyway. Yes. And they're just not going to get a live show. 26 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:24,660 Man what 27 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:29,400 they will get as is almost customary on the no agenda show 28 00:01:30,030 --> 00:01:32,700 is an explanation of the true story of Thanksgiving. 29 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:35,760 I wasn't planning on it. 30 00:01:35,789 --> 00:01:38,489 Oh, you always do the story. It's like the night before 31 00:01:38,489 --> 00:01:41,279 Christmas book. How can we have a show on Thanksgiving without 32 00:01:41,279 --> 00:01:43,499 you telling us the true nature of thanksgiving? 33 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:49,020 Well, I'll do the short version. Okay, Ray Yeah, it's bullshit. 34 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:55,890 Oh man so all the corn and and the stuffing and the turkey and 35 00:01:55,890 --> 00:01:57,420 they never really happened that way. 36 00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:01,320 No, there was a couple of holidays. This is very carefully 37 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,950 outlined on my blog. You can look up Thanksgiving, truce 38 00:02:05,010 --> 00:02:07,560 badgers thanksgiving on the blog. And there's all the 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,220 storage of those two posts that discuss this. And Thanksgiving 40 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:12,930 was a you know, there was a harvest festival. There's 41 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:16,560 different things that took place in the 16 and 1700s. But 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,800 Thanksgiving really became kind of an official thing during the 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Civil War. And it was Thanksgiving for you know, the 44 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:28,350 Thank you, you know, kind of celebrating the dead soldiers 45 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:30,450 more than anything. And if we give thanksgiving for being 46 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:33,690 alive, more or less, Lincoln initiated it then it became a 47 00:02:33,690 --> 00:02:37,500 national holiday over time. But it all really stemmed from this 48 00:02:37,590 --> 00:02:41,160 these Thanksgivings that were proclaimed every so often in 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,070 America throughout American history. And until one Lincoln 50 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:48,450 did the same. So what seems to be the one that stuck? And so 51 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:51,540 they worked it out. And it'd be then they re engineered it over 52 00:02:51,540 --> 00:02:54,900 time to make it seem as if it was something where the Indians 53 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:59,550 and the and the Puritans, whoever they were the people 54 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:02,700 that were living around the 1700s in the United States, 55 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:06,870 we're having these yearly dinners together as if it were 56 00:03:06,870 --> 00:03:07,800 just like, you know, 57 00:03:08,250 --> 00:03:11,910 yeah, kind of like on the Upper East Side, Manhattan or coffee 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,030 this morning. So wait a minute, if our Thanksgivings bullcrap is 59 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:20,700 the Canadian Thanksgiving also bullcrap. 60 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:24,750 Course it is. All just a different date. Theirs is 61 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:28,380 the first. So they made bull crap out of bull crap. That's 62 00:03:28,380 --> 00:03:28,920 even worse. 63 00:03:28,950 --> 00:03:31,380 We didn't even celebrate the Canadian Thanksgiving on the 64 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:33,750 show. Which I think we missed it. 65 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:37,470 Is it before ours? How can that? How can that be? I 66 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:39,780 don't get it. When the first we're number one 67 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:40,440 everything. 68 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,770 They had to pull the rug out from under us. So they did 69 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:45,540 earlier. Okay. All right. 70 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:49,650 So this show Yes, this is this is a special show 71 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:53,250 we're naming is show x because it's going to replace all the 72 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:59,940 200 episodes. 200.1 or 2.5? Yeah, 2.6 2.7 20.8. This would 73 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:01,080 have been 2.9, I 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,590 believe. Yeah. But our, our onion was kind of rotten. We did 75 00:04:04,590 --> 00:04:08,430 have a producer say You know, I've only just started the show 76 00:04:08,430 --> 00:04:12,960 like around 500. And this onion approach you have toward the 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,730 show. 200 is not working for me. And I started thinking about it. 78 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,360 It's kind of lame. So we're just doing one from scratch. I do 79 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,600 have some clips from the earlier shows. Oh, very good. Very good. 80 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:26,940 So Jay help, because there's about two or three things that 81 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:27,990 are better explained. 82 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:30,450 And what is the what is the point of this show for people 83 00:04:30,450 --> 00:04:34,560 who are new who have not listened to the 200 this series? 84 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:40,020 Yes, the point is that and the point is, you know, we only need 85 00:04:40,020 --> 00:04:43,560 an introductory show. So why does this show exists? What are 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,900 we doing with the show? How did you get started? How did you get 87 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,870 to here? Right? And I think this show should answer all those 88 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:51,870 questions plus answering the Thanksgiving question. 89 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:54,900 All right. So do we want to just start with how we got to how the 90 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:56,160 show started. A lot of people don't 91 00:04:56,159 --> 00:04:59,639 know I do have a couple of things here that it kind of will 92 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,379 ease As into this well, let 93 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:05,610 me first let me set the stage a little bit. Where it was end of 94 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:12,120 2007 I was living in Guilford, in the Gitmo nation GMT, which 95 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,560 is south of London. And I was traveling back and forth between 96 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:20,940 London and San Francisco for it was suppose it was probably 97 00:05:20,940 --> 00:05:22,170 still pod show at the time. 98 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:24,930 I believe it was initially Yes. 99 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:26,520 And so I'd be in 100 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:31,260 it became me via shortly after I got there. Okay. 101 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:37,710 So I would be in San Francisco for about two weeks at a time it 102 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:40,680 was really it was actually pretty rough. Going back and 103 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,280 forth two weeks away from home and then you know, then back for 104 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,490 two, three weeks and then back again. It was although I did get 105 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:50,130 a lot of cool gifts from Sir Richard Branson. I got the 106 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:54,390 bathrobe. I got everything. And you know, and after I stopped 107 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:57,600 traveling that much, it was about two months and then you 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,690 are now at plastic level. You get nothing. You slave. Well, I 109 00:06:03,690 --> 00:06:08,580 was like the top I was in the top level of Virgin Atlantic of 110 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:09,720 the loyalty program. 111 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 No, of course I was flying. It'd be getting it. They'd be giving 112 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,760 you foot massage every time he came near 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,550 pretty much but then once I stopped that that went away real 114 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:21,240 girl ice. 115 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:21,990 Yeah, 116 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:23,100 that stop real quick. Yeah. 117 00:06:23,099 --> 00:06:25,199 What good are you in? Are you to me now? 118 00:06:25,349 --> 00:06:28,859 Okay, exactly. So how did we meet? I did. When can we meet on 119 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:32,669 a on a podcast where we are. I was on the Skype. Maybe I don't 120 00:06:32,669 --> 00:06:33,479 remember he actually 121 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,080 had talked about this. Well enough that I clipped it from 122 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,040 the show The Early Show. So we can just listen to the How did 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,390 you meet? And this is an enhanced version from 2010. 124 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:47,580 Curry have a unique relationship. How did you guys 125 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:49,920 meet? So did you hit it off right away? 126 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:54,600 I'll tell you something I found in my crap that arrived from 127 00:06:55,050 --> 00:07:00,870 from the UK, I found a videotape of the CNET pilots, where we 128 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:03,360 actually first met for the very first time although 129 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:07,830 that was in 1993 or four maybe 130 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:12,690 think was three? Yeah. And I and I'm gonna get one of those VHS 131 00:07:12,690 --> 00:07:17,370 to DVR things to transcode all this stuff. But this was when 132 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:22,140 CNET did not have a website. In fact, I registered cnet.com and 133 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:25,080 said to Halsey minor Hey, dude, you know, I'll do your email, if 134 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,390 you want, you know, you might want to have a web thing that I 135 00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:28,830 think that would be more appropriate for what you're 136 00:07:28,830 --> 00:07:31,170 doing here. But all right, and you were doing kind of a 137 00:07:31,170 --> 00:07:36,540 McLaughlin Group Type roundtable as the pilot for that show. Wow, 138 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:38,550 the sound quality is outrageous. 139 00:07:39,060 --> 00:07:41,670 Oh, they got better ones than that. Oh, my 140 00:07:41,669 --> 00:07:45,509 goodness, no, I have to say that. Of course. I know how 141 00:07:45,509 --> 00:07:50,729 stuff should sound. But the idea was my idea behind podcasting 142 00:07:50,729 --> 00:07:53,789 was not only that, we have our own little transmitter, which is 143 00:07:53,789 --> 00:07:58,949 basically your podcast feed and your mp3 file. But also you 144 00:07:58,949 --> 00:08:01,499 should be able to do it on your laptop, you should be able to do 145 00:08:01,499 --> 00:08:06,029 it on reasonably, you know, medium to higher end prosumer 146 00:08:06,029 --> 00:08:08,879 equipment that should be possible. And I was always out 147 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,019 to prove it. And this was not a good a good example of it. It 148 00:08:13,019 --> 00:08:14,369 sounds like I have an echo even 149 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,520 I have a better example this is when the period could you kept 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,630 killing me over the probably over the years. You were 151 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:26,070 complaining to me that you were baked? Oh, yeah. Well, England 152 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:29,280 by what? And I always and I might comment back to you most 153 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,040 recently was well you didn't sound it you know, even though 154 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,580 you may or may not have been stoned it didn't sound like it. 155 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:39,870 That's my recollection. And you'd never did sound it but 156 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:43,350 your attitude has changed. I didn't realize it Oh, for 157 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:45,780 example, and you just bitched about the sound which leads me 158 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:50,670 to a different clip. This is a clip when Obama got elected that 159 00:08:50,670 --> 00:08:54,240 night. This is a clip of the show the beginning of the show. 160 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:59,730 And this This is the clip 11 Five 2007 Obama just got elected 161 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:02,250 we started started doing the show this is something you would 162 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:04,950 not do today you would not allow 163 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:08,520 and you feel this is appropriate to rebroadcast. 164 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:11,580 It's read only because it's funny. It is 165 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:16,710 November 5 all across Gitmo nation it is quite a special 166 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:20,970 episode of no agenda. Mainly because it's early morning here 167 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:24,240 for me today and late night for John exactly the opposite of how 168 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,380 the show is usually done. Which means it's time for no agenda 169 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:32,460 coming to you from a very exhilarated and excited morning 170 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:36,180 here in the United Kingdom. Get mo nation east. I'm Adam curry. 171 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:41,850 I'm John C. Dvorak and I, for one, welcome our new Obama 172 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:42,810 overlord Hold 173 00:09:42,810 --> 00:09:45,750 on a sec. What is going on there? 174 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,340 What happened Bobby didn't remember but this this was one 175 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:52,980 of those. We used to have these moments and I forgot about him. 176 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:54,060 Were they always 177 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Skype Skype? Yeah, I remember it speeding up a lot. I don't 178 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,510 remember a lot of a lot of slowing down. Oh, that's pretty 179 00:10:00,510 --> 00:10:01,380 outrageous 180 00:10:01,530 --> 00:10:04,740 is too horrible and but here it is. This is when this is back in 181 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:08,880 the day. And your attitude about this is not what it is anymore 182 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,250 is one of the things we thematically will talk about 183 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:15,660 today, which is that of the show naturally evolved. And I would 184 00:10:15,660 --> 00:10:19,200 listen to a lot of old shows put this together, and I realized 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,220 that this show wasn't any good until show 100 For one, welcome 186 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:25,590 our new Obama overlord. 187 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:29,400 Do you have a voice processor on your on your setup? John, what's 188 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,810 going on? Why were you getting breaking up with us when you 189 00:10:33,810 --> 00:10:37,080 said, it sounds like it's on you have like a Darth Vader? Darth 190 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Vader voice? 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,950 Oh, yes. Well, it's midnight, you know. So I 192 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:45,480 know, this is not your normal voice. This is messed up. I kind 193 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,310 of like it, though. Do this do this. Obama. You're my 194 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:51,120 President. 195 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:53,880 Obama, you are my president. 196 00:10:55,260 --> 00:10:57,180 This is great. We'll leave this throughout the whole show. I 197 00:10:57,180 --> 00:11:01,350 don't know what it is. But it's, it sounds wacky. Hey, John, 198 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,630 congratulations. We have a new president. 199 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:07,440 Well, you know, the funny thing is their protest. You didn't get 200 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,230 to watch all this because you were sleeping. But they were 201 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:13,170 protesting. I mean, there was a big gathering outside of the 202 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:18,780 White House. Code. And yeah. And they were singing like, you know 203 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:26,040 that song? Hey, goodbye. Got it. Yeah, okay. And there were also 204 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,860 signs saying, you know, evict Bush now? 205 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:32,460 Well, he pretty much got his notice deadening isn't it? Like, 206 00:11:32,490 --> 00:11:33,570 this means he's out? 207 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,240 Well, the thing is, you know, a lot of people were saying, you 208 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,350 know, like, last couple of days, and there's some rumors going 209 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:42,780 around that Bush was gonna declare martial law, and he's 210 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:45,120 gonna do this and was gonna do that I was ever I was cracking 211 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,600 up every time I heard one of those, those those concepts, 212 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:53,070 because the way I'm seeing it, and the information that we're 213 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:55,800 already hearing about, Bush wants to get out of there 214 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,280 tomorrow. These days. It's actually a feature where we want 215 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,770 to sound like this. So that would be something that shows 216 00:12:04,770 --> 00:12:08,040 how the quality of the sound has improved over the years because 217 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:08,850 you didn't care. 218 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,940 Well, let it go. There was nothing we could do back in the 219 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:12,600 day. Yeah. 220 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:15,720 Well, we could have reconnected, we could have tried something, 221 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:19,050 you know, we always tried to reconnect. If that sounds like 222 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:21,600 crap, that's true. Well, you there was no attempt to 223 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,270 reconnect. There is no attempt to do anything. It was just like 224 00:12:24,270 --> 00:12:25,650 that the whole show, if I 225 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:29,370 recall, if I recall correctly, blowout. Now this is this is a 226 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:33,600 minor point. I remember that I was in Guilford, and it took 227 00:12:33,810 --> 00:12:38,100 like six months to get an internet connection. Which I 228 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:39,300 think was maybe 229 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,480 well, when you you moved from gilfer you left Guilford you 230 00:12:45,510 --> 00:12:47,250 went to Amsterdam now but 231 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,610 before before that, I was actually using 232 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,540 it well in Amsterdam, you talked about this problem and then you 233 00:12:54,930 --> 00:12:58,110 because I brought up the apparently virgin net or 234 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,090 something had some deal they're trying to do 235 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,700 Yeah, but what I recall ultimately doing is I had was an 236 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:11,910 H SP di whatever dongle, which was kind of the EU before Before 237 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:17,400 3g, even. I think well, maybe that was 3g in the UK. And I had 238 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,340 to position it in a certain spot. So we get the right 239 00:13:20,340 --> 00:13:23,490 connection. And the whole show ran on that. Which these days. 240 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,330 You know, it's like an emergency situation. If we doing some from 241 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,880 a hotel room that works pretty well. Technology has been our 242 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,040 friend over the years. There's no doubt about that. It has 243 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,090 helped extremely to be able to just to do the show. 244 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:43,050 Yes, I agree. And so anyways, but that had changed. That's 245 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:45,600 changed a lot. In fact, it turns out we talked about this a 246 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,700 little bit on show 200 aware that's when I believe you got 247 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,340 all your you got geared up. I don't know if you have that 248 00:13:53,340 --> 00:13:57,600 fancy device that you that you have now. But you are you got a 249 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,580 whole bunch of new gear at show 200 250 00:14:01,830 --> 00:14:03,750 Do you have a clip of that because I have no idea what I 251 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:04,110 had, 252 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,900 because it was just like, hey, we got a bunch of new gear. I do 253 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:13,560 have to I do have the opening of show 200 somewhere I don't know 254 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,480 why it's a douche opener. Right. 255 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:18,840 Okay, do so open. Let's see. Maybe I can tell you what gear 256 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,910 it was just from listening to the sound they opened 257 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:24,900 fire first public safety. It's friggin dear 258 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:27,690 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's May 259 00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:31,979 16 2010. Time here Gitmo nation media assassination episode 260 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,960 200. This is no agenda, celebrating 261 00:14:36,990 --> 00:14:40,410 200 episodes of mediocrity and coming to you from the hilltop 262 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:43,050 Watchtower crockpot command center and liberal nation West 263 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:46,110 in the People's Republic of Southern California eight in the 264 00:14:46,110 --> 00:14:47,640 morning to you all I'm Adam curry. 265 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:52,650 I think not regarding mediocrity. This is number 200 266 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:54,390 from Northern Silicon Valley and John Cena. 267 00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:57,120 Greg Levin Buzzkill. 268 00:14:58,650 --> 00:15:00,060 I just wanted to see if I could throw Are 269 00:15:00,060 --> 00:15:02,430 you off guard? But you can always throw me off guard 270 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,970 in the morning to get my friend in the morning to everybody 271 00:15:05,970 --> 00:15:08,070 listening. Yes. And congratulations, John, 272 00:15:08,430 --> 00:15:09,930 because you have new gear. 273 00:15:09,959 --> 00:15:13,379 Well, yeah, no congratulations on 200 episodes. 274 00:15:13,439 --> 00:15:14,939 Yes, I think it's pretty amazing. 275 00:15:14,970 --> 00:15:20,160 I think it's, it's a feat. Now, again with the echo well, is 276 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,970 that something from the clips? Or was that exactly how you came 277 00:15:23,970 --> 00:15:24,180 off 278 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:26,460 the show? But it sounded like 279 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,510 I remember I remember this period, because I was in Los 280 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:35,610 Angeles. And I think this is when I started using everything 281 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:38,700 on the laptop. I liked the setup a lot, because it had onboard 282 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:43,470 processing. But there was a slight delay in my headphones 283 00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:44,400 when I was speaking. 284 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:49,890 Right? You did that was clear recently. For years? I did. Yes. 285 00:15:49,890 --> 00:15:51,150 That would drive me nuts. 286 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:54,600 It was not easy. But you get used to it after a while though. 287 00:15:55,710 --> 00:15:57,900 And then when you when you take the headphones off, and you can 288 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:03,270 think you sound like a moron. My voice is too fast. 289 00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:07,980 And well, one of the things we did in the original show 200. 290 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,400 And we'll get I think back on this track, which is we took 291 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,280 questions and we answered a bunch of questions. Yeah, that's 292 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,880 where we got the, you know, where do two guys meet? And when 293 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,330 you start the show, and then we had discussed in as much detail, 294 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:24,120 it was a I would say that the 200 shows having really listened 295 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:30,210 to them. They're terrible. And scratch? Yeah. A new kind of 296 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:33,960 terrible. Yeah, well, at least it'll sound good. Yeah, well, 297 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,060 yeah. Everything sounds good now. 298 00:16:36,090 --> 00:16:39,060 So the sound I will say, whenever that happened, I think 299 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:42,330 it was I guess it was in Texas. Yeah. Must have been in Texas 300 00:16:42,330 --> 00:16:45,030 when I got the Universal Audio Device. And that would that 301 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:48,420 really changed everything that changed my world. It changed 302 00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:52,620 your attitude. Yeah. Now I want to be perfect every time. Sure. 303 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,340 Yeah, it 304 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,010 would change your attitude. You have a you're more of a 305 00:16:56,010 --> 00:17:00,030 perfectionist. But let's listen to this. Because this time we 306 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:03,150 didn't put on the original show to on it. Let's listen to the 307 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:06,270 one of the things I've noticed about the early shows. That is 308 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:09,900 there's latency to the best to an extreme. I don't know why 309 00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:13,650 anybody listened to the show. But let's listen to the opening 310 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,530 of the first show. Oh, okay. Hold on. 311 00:17:17,790 --> 00:17:20,430 Opening your first show. Do we have a date on this? Or do I 312 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:21,750 guess I mentioned it in the opening or 313 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:26,790 not? That was the nine or 826 2007? 314 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,930 Seven? Yeah. Welcome, everybody to a brand new program on the 315 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:34,710 pod show network. Which could be titled A number of things. We 316 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:39,690 chose no agenda. But it couldn't be the show with no imaging. No. 317 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:45,780 No. No content yet. The only thing that is is two guys with 318 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:51,330 an idea of putting together a what we call a John A agenda 319 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:56,760 list show agenda show. Exactly. John C. Dvorak in California, 320 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,300 Adam curry here in London, something we cooked up? Was it 321 00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:02,490 like a four minute phone call? Hey, we should do a show 322 00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:06,570 together. Okay. Let's call it no agenda. Okay. And here we are, 323 00:18:07,470 --> 00:18:10,650 of course, the basis for a show like this. And I think everybody 324 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:13,230 out there who's ever had a clinical who has kinds of 325 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:17,100 conversations with friends. They occasionally especially when the 326 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,410 conversations go on and on stage, you know, that would have 327 00:18:19,410 --> 00:18:22,770 been an interesting thing for other people to listen to. True. 328 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:27,690 True. And I think basically, and I've, in fact, doing a show with 329 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:30,900 my wife, because sometimes she doesn't News Analysis over the 330 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,540 phone. Sometimes it's pretty, pretty astonishing. 331 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:36,720 But have you ever had the shows I do with Patricia with my wife? 332 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,510 Yeah, same kind of thing. It's great. Right. And we have a 333 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:40,560 conversation. Yeah. 334 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:43,800 Right. And I think, you know, to some extent, Don, and drew and 335 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,190 so almost everybody who, you know, like to chat, you know, 336 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,660 pretty much provides this kind of entertainment. 337 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:56,040 Wow, this is before I figured out the wonderment of the noise 338 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:56,460 gate. 339 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,690 Well, there's that. And I also lied, because I never really 340 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:02,100 heard your show. And you caught me 341 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,670 Oh, no, I knew that. I almost wanted to stop the clip and say 342 00:19:05,670 --> 00:19:07,710 just so full of crap. That was 343 00:19:07,709 --> 00:19:10,169 full of crap. But that's not it. You know, when you're doing this 344 00:19:10,169 --> 00:19:12,449 sort of thing, you have to be full of crap to keep it moving 345 00:19:12,449 --> 00:19:17,339 to keep it moving along, baby. And so the show was the OB GYN 346 00:19:17,339 --> 00:19:18,299 as a lark. 347 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:21,480 Well, the idea was just a conversation. Okay. 348 00:19:21,629 --> 00:19:23,729 And we should of course, it turns out that that's not what 349 00:19:23,729 --> 00:19:26,699 we do best. What we do best is clips and data analysis and 350 00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:29,549 stuff like that the conversation is, yeah, it's kind of 351 00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:31,739 interesting. We have some letters. I'm just going to start 352 00:19:31,739 --> 00:19:34,979 reading some of these questions in a minute. And a lot of it is 353 00:19:34,979 --> 00:19:37,559 like you're going to talk about restaurants review restaurants 354 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:40,709 again, and all the stuff we used to do but in this in this first 355 00:19:40,709 --> 00:19:44,069 show that I want to get this out of the way. This clip is called 356 00:19:44,069 --> 00:19:47,939 the first discussion of show length, which by the way, will 357 00:19:47,939 --> 00:19:51,539 amuse anyone who listened to the seven and a half hour show in 358 00:19:51,539 --> 00:19:52,559 our no agenda. 359 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:55,380 No agenda. Yeah, three four topics sounds about about right. 360 00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:57,270 Maybe if we do it once a week, you might 361 00:19:57,540 --> 00:19:59,970 think Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I don't think we can 362 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,140 Uh, I don't think we can sustain this length because sometimes I 363 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:09,060 mean, the, the interview you had with Dr. Ron was worth 364 00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,020 discussing for a while. 365 00:20:10,050 --> 00:20:13,830 Yeah, true. Okay. So we'll see. But this I would say, I agree 366 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:17,610 this is maybe a little bit on the long side, but just under 40 367 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:19,050 minutes. What's the max? 368 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:20,370 Yeah, I agree. 369 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:28,050 40 minutes. Wow, that's just that's just a clip off at the 370 00:20:28,050 --> 00:20:31,320 end of our show these days. What do you got? Man, I got 40 371 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,940 minutes of clips leftover. But again, I have to say, a lot of 372 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:40,440 this is down to technology. And just bandwidth alone to be able 373 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,880 to, I remember clipping stuff from, from the from the webs. It 374 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,200 took forever. You click you wait, I mean, it took hours 375 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,800 longer than it does today. Then even though you know, now I have 376 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,880 a whole system. 377 00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:58,380 We didn't do. We didn't do long, many clips. I remember the first 378 00:20:58,380 --> 00:21:01,830 nothing shows four clips from me, you know, three from you, 379 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:05,340 for from you three. For me, it wasn't a lot. I do remember when 380 00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:08,700 I got one of my clips that I do have this clip, which is this is 381 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:13,140 the first mention of a clip. And the style in which we execute 382 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:13,710 the glimpse 383 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:18,450 I received in my email this morning. Several sound clips 384 00:21:18,450 --> 00:21:21,570 which John has apparently he's got some form of an agenda 385 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:25,680 today. And has prepared something and the note said for 386 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:32,010 the show. Please don't listen. So I did not. Oh, yeah. And that 387 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:36,660 really started? Well, we have a theory, which is based on 388 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:42,570 broadcast experience, that if you rehearse something, or if 389 00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:45,690 you set something up, or if you agree, okay, we're going to talk 390 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:49,020 about this or we're going to, you know it worse, here's your 391 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:53,340 punch line. It always sucks. It sucks every on mainstream. I 392 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:56,940 mean, you see it and talk shows, you know, the way the guest is 393 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:58,980 flummoxed. And then the host says, well, Wasn't there 394 00:21:59,010 --> 00:22:01,470 something about your dog that you want to talk about? You 395 00:22:01,470 --> 00:22:04,800 know, they have to coax the idiots along. And we found that? 396 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,520 Well, I think we, throughout the years, we continuously tried to 397 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,700 set up something and we try a bit from from time to time, 398 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:12,720 pretty much 399 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,570 like bits that work a deal. So we add live from scratch. Yes, 400 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,250 exactly. And all media would be so much better. If it was, well, 401 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:23,130 you can't tell us a little more difficult, but it would just be 402 00:22:23,130 --> 00:22:27,180 so much more better. And, and really, from a production 403 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:30,960 standpoint, once I got this piece of software called Audio 404 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,330 rack suite, which is an open source piece of gear that a 405 00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:39,510 couple of radio guys put together years ago, and they've 406 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:41,640 now they kind of stopped developing it because it was 407 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,600 done with nothing left to do. So hopefully, if a new Mac OS comes 408 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,940 out, and we're all forced to upgrade, I can use it. But 409 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:50,550 what's great about it is it's just drag from a file from a 410 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:54,420 finder, you just drag in these clips and you know, through 411 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:58,170 through MIDI, it opens up a fader I it's very, it's much 412 00:22:58,170 --> 00:23:01,890 easier for me to just immediately click and go you say 413 00:23:01,890 --> 00:23:04,350 something I look at the misspellings on your clip list. 414 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,870 I figured out what you're talking about a dragon and click 415 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:09,150 Go. And that's how it goes. I have no idea what these clips 416 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:12,030 are today, even though it's really technology that has 417 00:23:12,030 --> 00:23:13,920 helped. I will I have to say that. 418 00:23:14,699 --> 00:23:19,319 Well, you're also outrageously talented at work in a system 419 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,089 that you designed for yourself. You know, it's 420 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:24,150 interesting, because I've been looking I've been talking about 421 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:26,850 transitioning to Windows and I've been looking for a similar 422 00:23:26,850 --> 00:23:31,110 system. And, you know, disc jockeys today. They don't do 423 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:34,260 crap, they don't do any work anymore. They don't have to 424 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:38,040 select anything and put it into a into a player or you know, 425 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,010 like, Well, gee, back in the day, we had the songs on a cart. 426 00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:45,540 And yeah, big magnetic carton goes in and you start the cart. 427 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:49,860 Yeah, these days, they got a playlist that they're pretty 428 00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:53,070 much tracking ahead of time they record their voice bit they 429 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:57,810 schedule it in they go sit on a groupie for a while. And it's 430 00:23:57,810 --> 00:24:02,100 very hard to get old school technology for making radio is 431 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:03,540 way I still see what we're doing. 432 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,890 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's the end of an era. 433 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:11,460 It truly is. It truly is. 434 00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:15,240 So we had the we played the original opening I had the 435 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,470 opening up first show I had. Here's the God let's go into the 436 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,920 when when I think the show really got good is when we gave 437 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,700 up on our idealism of no jingles. No nothing. 438 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:28,770 Was it really idealism or? 439 00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:32,250 I think well, okay, you're right. It was a format. We 440 00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:37,950 I think we were trying to figure out the format and we started 441 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:40,170 with a widget Oh, we'll just talk and we'll have a little 442 00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:43,350 conversation. And then you know, I think both of us felt like I 443 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:47,910 was missing a lot. But you have apparently some moment in time 444 00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:49,740 when we first started doing this or what 445 00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:52,410 have you. I have a number of clips that kind of relate to 446 00:24:52,410 --> 00:24:56,070 that. But first I want to get to the what triggered are deciding 447 00:24:56,070 --> 00:25:01,140 to do a mockery of radio itself and which is the weenie and the 448 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:06,540 buck clips Yeah. And so I have on my took this from show 200 I 449 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:10,440 took these three clips out of out of that show and so we hear 450 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,890 him again this explanation you can start with I got three is 451 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:17,070 origins clip weenie in the but in context 452 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,190 reopened we would open the show the show that has no jingles no 453 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:25,350 sound effects no agenda, and you handed me a copy of the Family 454 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:31,650 Guy with the episode weenie and the but and that really got the 455 00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:35,490 because again, we're both radio freaks. And we figured this 456 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:39,090 would just be funny to do and it kind of stuck and I think that 457 00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:41,910 it'll be fun. That's also where in the morning came from, by the 458 00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:47,160 way. And it's such a take off on the morning zoo format and which 459 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,390 we both I would say love and hate at the same time. Low Of 460 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:55,050 course now it's just old fashion. But when you listen to 461 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:58,920 this, you can understand why radio guys get off on weenie in 462 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,050 the butt. Two minutes this Oh, that's the Hulu the Hulu preroll 463 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,500 what's your favorite anytime for free Hulu, everybody it's really 464 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,720 in the bud here live at the go hog Air Show. 465 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:12,990 We're all ready for the weenies sound alike contest. I don't 466 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:16,140 know but I don't think they can say my catchphrase because they 467 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:17,790 know funny. 468 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,380 Oh, there it is. And if you think you can say that just like 469 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:26,610 weenie here. You could win 97.1 dollars for the cool weekend 470 00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:48,090 ahead. And welcome back. 471 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:51,240 Excuse me. I gotta find a lost kid. Can I use your mic? That's 472 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,230 what she said. 473 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:53,220 Whoa, you 474 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:59,280 got butt slam? Listen, I could really use a hand here. That's 475 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:10,320 what he said. That's magic monkey on 97.1. Weekends in the 476 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:18,840 morning, all weekend long. Radio. Give me Stewie Griffin, 477 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,360 will you please report to the radio booth. Stewie 478 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,300 Griffin. Hey, that's quite a voice you've got there. You ever 479 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,260 think about doing radio? Well, I listened to a lot of radio. 480 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,140 Peter and Lois leave the radio on when they go out. So I feel 481 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:33,810 like somebody's home. Well, here's my card. Call me if 482 00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:36,870 you're interested. Hey, okay, we've got our first contestant. 483 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:42,480 Let's see your weenies catchphrase, Dan. No, fine. I 484 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,370 think we have a wiener. 485 00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:49,830 And that's Dickey the punch line doggy on 97.1? 486 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,470 Warning on 97.1? 487 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,210 Sadly, I've done many programs for real like that. 488 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:20,010 Yes. In fact, on the original show, you went on and actually 489 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:24,180 did a number of them. Maybe, maybe in the second clip, let's 490 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:28,590 play the second clip. Okay, so we kind of decided we didn't 491 00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:31,410 decide it just happened most of the show, by the way. For people 492 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,370 were asking all these questions. It's really an evolution. Yeah. 493 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,500 We don't have meetings, we don't 494 00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:43,500 know. We, we, in fact, that's if there's a rule. We generally 495 00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:46,110 agree not to talk about what we're going to talk about. 496 00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:48,840 Because we know that what'll happen is we'll start talking 497 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,380 about it. And then we bring it up on the show and then it 498 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:55,650 always suck. There's like it's like it's been rehearsed, 499 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,060 there's no tension there. Of course, 500 00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:02,640 you ran into Jeff Smith. And so we ended up getting a bunch of 501 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,890 these jingles and things which some people complain about, but 502 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:08,610 it paces the show. Well, it is a mockery of the of the other 503 00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:12,210 model. And it but it adds kind of a nice kind of know what it 504 00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:15,030 is the atmosphere is improved by it. The in the morning thing is 505 00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:18,900 used as a as a rim shot, generally, or it should be and 506 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,290 it is often. So I say something funny, which is very common on 507 00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:24,510 the show. And then he hits the board, 508 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,520 or if you go off on a tangent. 509 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,720 So we have a bunch of these things which we use. And now we 510 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,680 had a couple of questions. 511 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:40,470 That's an old radio trick for a segue. It's really it helps them 512 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:44,190 transition the listeners brain from one segment to the next. It 513 00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:45,810 jars you for a moment there. 514 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,430 And if you listen to our last show, show 200 Adam was going 515 00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:55,020 off the deep end on some topic and he kept it was way as he's 516 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,170 two three minutes overdue to stop it. And I told him to play 517 00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:01,800 the Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day. A jingle which I knew 518 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,620 would transition they would do it you know stop him in his 519 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:05,100 tracks 520 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:11,520 that's right it also stops me You're right yeah it works 521 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,330 perfectly that way. 522 00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:16,140 So the show here's the from one of our listeners the show you do 523 00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:19,020 today is very different from the show when you first started eg 524 00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:22,860 personal anecdotes are gone no they're not. Audio clips and 525 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:26,040 jingles are now prevalent originally less than an hour 526 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,310 week is now four hours a week and listeners are now asked to 527 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:32,580 contribute cash is the show where you want it to be or 528 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:35,490 you're planning more changes we did show just evolved so we 529 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,820 don't plan anything well, although we do things 530 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,790 individually that may or may not stick 531 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:45,120 I'm I'm on board with the evolution we there's nothing is 532 00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:49,320 absolutely nothing is planned. I have my own things. John has his 533 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,130 things. Sometimes we might send each other a link from time to 534 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:56,220 time and even then usually the link doesn't get discussed 535 00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,730 because we saw well whatever you know is over. But we have a 536 00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:03,600 couple of common interests of things that are funny that we 537 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,150 think are funny usually they have to do with mainstream 538 00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:11,460 media. I didn't realize we had the in the morning jingles that 539 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:14,580 quickly already. I guess that was yeah, the the Jeff Smith 540 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:16,860 sir, sort of Sir Jeff Smith did that well, actually, 541 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:19,260 I tried to find out where this stuff was first coming from. So 542 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:23,580 I did a little research. And we play the let's play the third 543 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:27,150 clip of this particular origins clip but I then I want to I'll 544 00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:30,840 give you some Genesis stuff that's kind of interesting. I 545 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,050 think 546 00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:33,630 that's that's the most fun is when we when we rag on 547 00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:36,840 mainstream media and pull it apart and simultaneously open 548 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,020 people's eyes as to what's really going on in on 549 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:40,620 television. 550 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,140 You know, that may have been triggered by the weenie in the 551 00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:46,680 bud episode. Probably, though the family got because once we 552 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,700 start once we can start mocking that model, we started looking 553 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,870 at the media bitching about it generally, on a higher plane I 554 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:59,670 believe than the people at Fox have ever thought of. And we 555 00:31:59,670 --> 00:32:02,160 started we realized that it was actually interested we were 556 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,200 entertaining ourselves and we knew it was very valuable 557 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,620 information and we had the time. It's not like anyone can't do 558 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,890 this. But most people work for a living. If you're gonna have a 559 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:15,270 job at Goldman Sachs, and you're there till, you know, seven at 560 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:17,850 night and you have to get in early, whatever. And then you 561 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:20,160 have to drink all day, which seems to be what the job is 562 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,260 about drippers you don't want strippers, you don't have time 563 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:29,070 to go and start digging around these stories to find the one 564 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:32,010 you know the missing element or the the kind of the crazy 565 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:35,370 connection, but you just haven't got time to do it. And then you 566 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:37,740 know, the fact that the mainstream media doesn't do it 567 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:41,280 and they don't is just makes you wonder. 568 00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:49,830 I have February 8 2009 The in the first in the morning clip. 569 00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,660 So that sounds that sounds about right. And that's by the way, 570 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:56,640 one of the reasons I'm glad we're doing the show from 571 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,680 scratch is because I listened to the original shows 200 points to 572 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,760 one point x and there was a lot of us just ad libbing you know 573 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520 like I don't know when we did that. I but I think after about 574 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,030 a year we did. We did. We got some real numbers now then 575 00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:16,860 you're right. It was 2008 and I mean 2009 And that's only really 576 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:19,770 three months into the show. I have a couple here's a good 577 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:21,570 example of what we're talking about. No, that's 578 00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:26,970 more than three months is 2009 Maybe this is a copy then 579 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:29,700 Oh no, that's right. No it was today was over a year. What am I 580 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:30,030 thinking? 581 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:32,790 Yeah 2000 I mean, just let me just play the ones that he sent 582 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:40,890 us at that time we still use them 583 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,090 yeah, what I was thinking is only about three or four months 584 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,690 after we started taking donations. Right different began 585 00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:53,340 different origin periods. We started taking donations in late 586 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:57,750 2008. And he had been everybody bite the show. 68 Here's what 587 00:33:57,750 --> 00:34:06,300 the show opening in February 1 2008, or 2009 show 68 Here's 588 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,920 what the opening used to sound like. 589 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,449 It's time once again for the weekly Adventures of crackpot 590 00:34:12,449 --> 00:34:16,409 and Buzzkill. I live from Gitmo nation, west and southwest. 591 00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:20,519 Wait, I'm an east from southwest London. I'm Adam curry. 592 00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:27,360 And I'm John C. Dvorak here in Silicon Valley north. John C. 593 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,170 Dvorak. Yes, 594 00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:31,650 yes, you did. And that is Gitmo nation West. I'm in Gitmo nation 595 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,620 East fresh back and Gitmo nation east where things are falling 596 00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:37,860 apart. And the Brits have finally started to grab for the 597 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:39,780 pitchforks and torches. 598 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000 There were riots in in Geneva 599 00:34:46,650 --> 00:34:51,480 the planning is that Geneva but yesterday the British also not 600 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,400 riots but the they're calling Gordon Brown on his bullshit the 601 00:34:56,460 --> 00:35:02,640 the workers at what is it total and a few other outfits and we 602 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,270 had a wild wildcat strike. Yes, that's what I sound like when 603 00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,250 I'm baked. For sure. 604 00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:14,220 Yeah, it could be you probably were baked but it was like the 605 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,740 leg and all the rest of the shows were not good in my 606 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:17,310 opinion. Oh, 607 00:35:17,309 --> 00:35:18,509 it's horrible. 608 00:35:18,959 --> 00:35:22,409 Yeah, no it does. So I'm surprised thank you for staying 609 00:35:22,409 --> 00:35:24,059 with us the few of you who have 610 00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:27,509 Yeah, and people go back and listen from episode one and 611 00:35:27,509 --> 00:35:31,769 continue to listen and all the way up to today's shows like 612 00:35:31,769 --> 00:35:35,339 wow, it's doable. When do you want to do some some questions 613 00:35:35,339 --> 00:35:37,169 want to do those after we go through the agenda when 614 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:41,370 he gets the questions? Good. So we get some of this stuff we'll 615 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,570 build on Alisha have a fantastic ISO. Got it? Oh, 616 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,520 yeah. Okay, um, fast but not that fast. Amy. I love that. 617 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,850 Fantastic. I love that fantastic. What was that about? 618 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:04,290 She was just baked, baked. Okay, now here's the to do February 619 00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:10,080 5 2009. Genesis of the in the morning. This is and this is 620 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:13,530 this is the first time we did two shows a week. This is the 621 00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:17,370 first is the opening from the first Thursday show. Just like 622 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:20,400 Doublemint gum. We're now twice as nice with the Premier Edition 623 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,090 of the weekday. No agenda. It's crackpot and buzzkill in the 624 00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:27,540 morning, coming to you from Gitmo nation, Eastern southwest 625 00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:29,400 London. I'm Adam curry. 626 00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:32,400 And I'm John C. Dvorak here in Silicon Valley North also known 627 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,650 as gizmo nation, period. 628 00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:38,340 Ah, what do you mean? I don't get my piece of gizmo anymore. 629 00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:41,730 Here No you get to be Gitmo nation whatever Easton those 630 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:43,590 gizmo nation which should be China. 631 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,730 It's all one big gizmo nation man. 632 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,020 So I noticed that rush limbaugh now has a get mo a nation thing. 633 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,930 Oh, you're kidding me. He calls it Gitmo nation. Literally. 634 00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:57,030 No, some mails but it's similar. 635 00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:01,260 I'm so happy we got your YouTube sound better on this show. 636 00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:05,070 Yes, I know. I sound like I'm in a bucket. Now. Here's 637 00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:05,850 my horrible. 638 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,320 This is what 10 days later, when we started getting the the we 639 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,240 got all those clips in from Jeff Smith. But we it took really 640 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,910 about a month or two before they were organized to what they are 641 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:21,630 today. Here's an example of how he tried to use are you you were 642 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:25,860 the guy doing it? How you try to use them early. Wait, what are 643 00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:29,640 we talking about here is I'm sorry, original opening to 1509. 644 00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:32,610 Okay, well make sure you play the right one originating from 645 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,560 opposite corners of Gitmo nation. I screwed it up already. 646 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:43,080 agenda with Adam curry and John C. Dvorak. 647 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:45,330 Raglan Buzzkill. 648 00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:50,370 Coming to you from Gitmo nation East in the southwest parts of 649 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,480 London in the curry terrace. I'm Adam curry. Oh, that was even a 650 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,150 pre production example of our opening. Yeah, something I think 651 00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:03,270 was young Paulette, who put the whole thing together and I know 652 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:05,970 it's day Fox. I know that's the voice day Fox very famous. He's 653 00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:08,640 you know, he's the voice of iHeartRadio. You got a great 654 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,670 voice we've just been you. Although it's the music that 655 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:16,080 ultimately we use for opening is I think it comes with apple with 656 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,350 what is their program logic? It's easy, because from time to 657 00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:26,070 time people go hey, man, they stole your opening tune man. 658 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,550 Like, not really. It's like it's free. 659 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:35,250 Yeah, well. So you get we've kind of evolved and I think this 660 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:41,340 show really started to get better by show 100 And show 100. 661 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:43,620 Right, decided to listen to it again. And this is the show is 662 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:47,100 interesting because you were going to quit the show. Tested 663 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,230 beforehand. But you know, it wasn't easy to talk you out of 664 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:53,010 it. But then when I listened to show 100 I didn't realize two 665 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:57,120 things in the show. 100 was a major production with stuff I 666 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,180 don't even remember for the life of me it was 667 00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:03,690 a long thing to was it for then for eight but then it 668 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:07,800 was for now it's like a so so I don't think you're going to 669 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,530 remember a lot of this stuff. But let's listen. Oh boy, for 670 00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,480 people want to reminisce or never get to 671 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,670 just set the stage. I had left my first wife. I think I was in 672 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:21,750 Amsterdam with my second wife. And no, she wasn't my wife. We 673 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,410 were hanging out with it. Yeah, yeah, but it was. I wasn't that 674 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:30,960 wasn't a dark place. Yeah, maybe what the show was was pretty 675 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,290 different. Right? Farmery 99? No, but didn't. 676 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:45,240 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak countless stories, covering the 677 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,640 entire scope of real news and factual journalism. From 678 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,470 aviation to avian flu, from tax dollars to taxonomy, 679 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,950 broadcasting from every glistening corner of the earth 680 00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:04,260 to bring you your My weekly get mo nation publication working 681 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:07,710 tirelessly to entertain and educate the righteous crowd. 682 00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:13,260 Lend them your years because Sunday May 31 2009. The crackpot 683 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:18,420 and buzzkill present to you, the 100th episode, no agenda, 684 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,950 streams, drops and forms all created and providing the 685 00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:27,360 citizens of Gitmo nation the true identity of bae and why the 686 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,850 New York Times harbors ill will against pronouns, wine and food, 687 00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:39,090 Real News, shadow puppet theater and of course, fractals for 99 688 00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:43,650 episodes strong, nice producers, listeners and your donations 689 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:48,420 make it all happen. Adam curry and John C. Dvorak invite you to 690 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:52,770 tune in to a hallmark event of Gitmo nation. No agenda number 691 00:40:52,770 --> 00:41:00,750 100. On Sunday, May 31 2009. ecstatic to bring you this very 692 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:04,740 special announcement from an abandoned missile silo in mo 693 00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:09,510 nation itself near Dallas, Texas. I'm Parker Snyder. And 694 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:16,440 now on with the countdown. We'll see you Sunday, May 31. 695 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,170 Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. Oh yeah, 696 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,410 it's time for episode number 100 of your gizmo nation 697 00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:31,470 publication. It is the 31st this is no agenda. This 698 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,180 is no agenda coming 699 00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:37,980 to you from a beautiful I mean stunningly beautiful Amsterdam, 700 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:42,180 the Netherlands right on the canals with the sun streaming 701 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:45,210 in. It's still Gitmo though. I'm Adam curry. 702 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:50,760 And from an overcast northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. 703 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,760 Dvorak. Raglan Buzzkill. 704 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,330 That was like that. Yeah, it is the morning where you are. 705 00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:02,910 It's the morning that was like always in the morning on 706 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:08,340 a real long foreplay, and then almost premature ejaculation. 707 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,020 Well, at least you get the thing running an hour late. We're, 708 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:17,580 if we really suck so bad. Everybody How you doing is no 709 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:21,360 agenda episode number 100. Good to be with you. I'm very 710 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,350 excited. By What's your why interject? Yes, please. 711 00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,380 We have a bunch of people that have written in saying there was 712 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,030 no episode 22 And this is not really episode 100. Yeah. And 713 00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:33,120 you 714 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,610 know what? Amy Winehouse is really important. Just saying, 715 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,460 Yeah, did we not do what episode 22 What happened? 716 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:43,980 I don't know. But that doesn't make any difference. Because 717 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:47,700 since we had to one expurgated episode, this would still be 718 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,240 episode 100. No matter what. But it's still this will be a 719 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,340 controversial episode. 100 720 00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:57,720 Oh, because of the of the count. It's always a count and 721 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,620 because of the show that we we put in the can and never reload 722 00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,050 your right now. We didn't put it in the can. Oh, I did in the 723 00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,770 trash can. And then I emptied the trash. It's gone. The bits 724 00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:10,560 are gone. There's no whatever anywhere except for the second 725 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,300 half. You have the second half of episode. The last episode, 726 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:15,690 right, 727 00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:19,020 right. Last episode. So we will call it 100. Seems like a good 728 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:20,850 idea. We had to be introduction. 729 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:24,240 Yeah, that was good. And we've got a new jingle by the way, 730 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:29,550 which was sent to us by our good buddy, the Jeff Smith. You want 731 00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:33,210 to hear it? Sure. Go for it. It's really for later on in the 732 00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:35,280 show. But that'll give me a chance to play it twice. So 733 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,790 listen to this. 734 00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:44,610 Once again. To help support no agenda, my friends. Help Adam 735 00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:49,560 and John keep the show going on. To drop a coin in the bucket 736 00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:57,840 today. Hey DeVore act.org/in A you could even be knighted. 737 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,800 What'd you say? 738 00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:05,250 Just with man you slay me. I love that. Fantastic. I wish I 739 00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:06,150 had that one. 740 00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:10,470 You know what happened to it? I 741 00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:13,800 have no idea. That whole opening to I don't remember that. I 742 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,990 don't even remember who I mean. I heard with Schneider. But I 743 00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:20,070 don't know who that is. It since you are you complimented me very 744 00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:23,550 nicely do that all the time about the production but, man, I 745 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:25,320 gotta compliment you on putting up with me. 746 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:29,310 Yeah, yeah, there's 747 00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:31,560 that sometimes it must be difficult. 748 00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:35,520 But I will see Yeah. And the funny thing is about that show 749 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,130 and I listened to and I listened to it. I didn't remember that 750 00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:42,540 opening. And I didn't remember I kind of almost remembered the 751 00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:46,440 Jeff Smith jingle. Who would you use later in that show? And and 752 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,110 I don't think it's their identity disappeared. I have no 753 00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,400 idea what and I would mention that FDA debt disappeared. We 754 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,080 haven't heard from Jeff again. Now I 755 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,740 hear from him. He's right. He's saving children and I Africa is 756 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,560 here. Yeah, it goes on mission South Africa now. It's cool. 757 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,700 It's like that. So I find that to be interesting, by having 758 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:13,320 this huge collection is a discussion that we'll probably 759 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,990 get into a little bit here, which was, and it might stem a 760 00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:23,010 little bit from the clip that you have of the NPR lady. Yeah, 761 00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:23,100 you 762 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,120 want to hear that this 763 00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:26,640 plays out first. And then we'll play our discussion about 764 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,070 advertising. This started answering questions. Yeah, this 765 00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:29,220 was 766 00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:34,530 Vivian Schiller, at the time, she was the CEO of NPR. And we 767 00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:37,830 were on her on her tail all the time. I can't remember why. But 768 00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,740 we didn't like her. And we thought NPR was full of crap. 769 00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:47,280 And, and then somehow, she was doing a q&a. And this genius 770 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,650 clip came out of it, because I think we were always saying, you 771 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:52,200 know, oh, I remember what it was, like, hey, they're doing 772 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,920 call to action. So they don't have advertising. But then they 773 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,190 would say, Well, you know, this is a, this program is brought to 774 00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,770 you by Squarespace. And then they would do like, you know, go 775 00:46:01,770 --> 00:46:04,110 to squarespace.com, which they only did for a little bit, 776 00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:06,270 because I think they got you know, they've gotten some 777 00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:08,820 trouble for it. But we were calling them out on Hey, you 778 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:11,130 just doing advertising. You're calling it something else. And 779 00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:13,140 then Vivian Schiller gave us this beautiful clip. 780 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:17,280 Okay, moving on to money. How are NPRs corporate underwriting 781 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,860 revenues holding up in the recession? And what about 782 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:21,120 foundation grants? 783 00:46:22,350 --> 00:46:28,110 Two different stories. Underwriting is underwriting is 784 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:31,500 is down, it's down for everybody. I mean, this is this 785 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,890 is this is the area that is most down for us is is in is in 786 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:38,160 sponsorship, underwriting advertising. Call it whatever 787 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,140 you want. Oh, yeah. 788 00:46:41,070 --> 00:46:42,510 And she was gone after that. 789 00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:46,230 Yeah, well, she wasn't doing well there. And she's on her 790 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,110 way. She's still you can follow her on Twitter. She didn't she 791 00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:52,860 go to the New York Times. Yeah, that she left there, though. I 792 00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:56,970 think she went to Twitter, maybe? Oh, that's right. Yeah. 793 00:46:57,420 --> 00:47:02,520 Yeah. Bouncing around 300. Again, in certain jobs, to 794 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,300 bounce around what happens when you're no good? Yeah. When we 795 00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:10,020 had a, we made this little discussion very early on about 796 00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:15,360 advertising. From a content creator perspective. And it was. 797 00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:19,080 And I believe it's because I was irked because we're still early 798 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:25,080 within the first couple 100 shows and you get the you'd get 799 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,340 the comment from somebody some expert about how why don't you 800 00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:32,220 give what are you doing taking donations? Why don't you get 801 00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:36,660 advertisers? Why don't you find advertisers, the shows any good 802 00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:39,180 it would fight, you'd find advertisers and you get this 803 00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:41,940 from people about why don't you using advertising and 804 00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:45,510 advertising is not for podcasters. With the exception 805 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:49,560 of a very few people. Advertising doesn't work for 806 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,590 crap, it doesn't work, that you have to split the money with 807 00:47:52,590 --> 00:47:56,670 somebody else to add sales guy, it creates a layer, you have to 808 00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:01,290 take grief from advertisers to do meetings. Meetings show is 809 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,470 one of our themes. But here's a little discussion we had on the 810 00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:06,330 topic that I thought would be worth clipping and playing 811 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:08,640 again, radio is terrible. 17 812 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,910 minutes of programming and 13 minutes of commercials, you 813 00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:13,200 know, make your choice. 814 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,200 Right? And how much is your time worth? So I've used that 815 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,360 argument. But then I also find another one, which I really 816 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,810 haven't exploited on the show. But you know, because people 817 00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:24,120 that this production will cost a lot of money to make a movie. 818 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,680 What about a novel novels are one of the first in that one of 819 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,310 the first businesses that are directly user supported. Good 820 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:36,480 point, you buy a book, good point. And you read the book and 821 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,220 you've you know, you've already paid your money though, of 822 00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:41,220 course, unlike our show, the book you pay in advance for the 823 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:46,410 book, and you pay in advance for the for the avatar movie, you 824 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:48,630 pay in advance for a lot of these things. We don't do that 825 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:51,660 we're more of the church model where you, you know, if you 826 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:53,580 don't like the sermon, you don't have to put anything in the 827 00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:57,090 coffers. But it's the same thing. Your books are user 828 00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:00,240 supported. And where's your ads in a book 829 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,810 now? And what once you get over the personal hurdle coming from 830 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:09,180 mainstream? Whereby the way we hate commercials, I've always 831 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:09,990 hated commercials. 832 00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:11,850 I hate that's where the GVR is such a 833 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,510 godsend. No, but I mean, just even as a creative as a creator 834 00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:19,050 of content. I'm like, I gotta I gotta hit the commercial break. 835 00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:20,400 I gotta wait for the commercial. Yeah. 836 00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:23,280 Terrible. You got us interrupt your flow. I watched one of 837 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,310 these shows anyone listening to this on Fox or in places and 838 00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:28,920 they get somebody in a really heated debate, but they're on a 839 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,850 heartbreak? 840 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,400 Yeah. I've seen this with Tom Brokaw and the president. And 841 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040 they got some some guys screaming in his ear counting 842 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,350 down to commercial and the President's actually just saying 843 00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:44,580 something really interesting. It's annoying. It's very, very 844 00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:49,020 annoying as a creator to go through that. But then it was 845 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:53,880 kind of weird. At least for me, it was, you know, you feel 846 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,510 embarrassed to ask people for money, and there is a 847 00:49:57,510 --> 00:50:02,430 psychological hurdle. And but one cheer over that. Got over it 848 00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:05,280 pretty quickly. That's easy sailing. You know? I'm glad you 849 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,670 got that clip, because that is that's a message to podcasters 850 00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:13,800 everywhere. This is your biggest hurdle. I'm convinced of it. The 851 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,590 minute you go to the value for value model, which I don't think 852 00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:20,550 we had coined yet here. No, the model was there, but not the 853 00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:23,430 No, actually, I think you had coined it a little bit, because 854 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:25,920 I remember it being in that longer. Even if I can make that 855 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,620 clip longer. I think it might be in there. It was the beginning. 856 00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:32,940 I agree. I think you're right. It's this hurdle. There's two 857 00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:37,320 hurdles I saw one was doing it, just doing it just you know, 858 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,150 jumping in the pool. And the other one is, is taking it so 859 00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:45,750 seriously, that you really becomes part of your life. You 860 00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:49,740 don't you know, you're not just goofing around, right? And 861 00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:53,610 you've mentioned in that clip, and that longer version, about 862 00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:57,210 tip jars and how stupid it is. It'd be so passive. You can't be 863 00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:58,680 passive, you have to be aggressive. 864 00:50:59,009 --> 00:51:03,539 Yeah. And also, we I think we figured out pretty quickly that 865 00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:08,789 it was a mistake to limit what people wanted to give by saying, 866 00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:12,419 oh, chip in chip in $3. chip in? 867 00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,110 Well, now that you mentioned that I would didn't have this in 868 00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:20,970 my notes. But I was thinking of a couple of examples of that one 869 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:24,000 was the mistake podcasters making podcasters should 870 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,330 obviously I think if you're listen to this, is that they go 871 00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:33,360 too cheap. Yeah. They're looking for $1. Nicholas show, 872 00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:38,910 which is very, which is very much the NPR model, I might add, 873 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:40,140 you know, they 874 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:43,350 don't have to do anything more than that nowadays, because they 875 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:45,750 have giveaways. And they have the 876 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,410 writers Yeah, and tote bags, tote bags and coffee mugs. 877 00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,070 But I was thinking about this, because I noticed that once we 878 00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:55,650 kind of opened it up and created the executive producer 879 00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:59,670 knighthoods to different tracks for everybody to start donating, 880 00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:03,750 they would give more money into the support video for supporting 881 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:08,670 the show, they would give more and would, you know, knowing 882 00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:11,670 that the notes gonna be read or whatever the rationale is, but 883 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:15,090 when you had it, we had it for a while. $2 a month, right, which 884 00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:18,420 is how we kind of started to stupidly, and that would have 885 00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:20,370 you know, what, there's still actually one or two guys that 886 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:22,740 are still still on that track, 887 00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:25,080 I'm sure through the old paypal account to 888 00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:31,290 Yeah, the debt, that's a loser. And when I see people in this, 889 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:33,390 like, Oh, you want to do this, and we didn't want to get this 890 00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:38,340 much money, and it's up to $1, you get to pay, you know, 15 891 00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:42,630 cents a show. That's kind of the low end thinking really hurts 892 00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:46,410 you. And I'm gonna give it my favorite example of this. Andrew 893 00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:49,800 Sullivan, they kind of right wing gay. Yeah, 894 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,040 I guess he was a blogger. He was a very famous, he's a very 895 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,690 famous blogger was named, came up 896 00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:57,990 with it with he's going to create an online magazine just 897 00:52:57,990 --> 00:53:02,520 about him. And he did. And he's had a yearly subscription of 898 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,850 something that he was a yearly subscription, very rigid, and we 899 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:11,430 are open to any amount of money more like a church, I'd say, but 900 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,010 he had this, you know, $24 a year or something like that, and 901 00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:17,160 you get this access to his thing, which of course, 902 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,920 we need to just say, this only works. If you produce an 903 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,740 outstanding product. If you don't have that, then it's just 904 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:28,650 not going to happen. And quite honestly, listening to some of 905 00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:30,180 these old clips. I'm amazed. 906 00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:33,210 Yes. So they'd show that you're actually killed your own 907 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:38,400 argument. Yeah. Now. So some of it I don't know this story to be 908 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,630 absolutely true. But I do know that Sullivan opened up because 909 00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:44,580 he was very famous at the time. And I think he had something 910 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:48,780 like 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000 subscribers. 911 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:51,720 I remember. The number was he was making a million a year. 912 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,500 That's what I remember. 913 00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:55,950 That was a million a year. Why didn't he keep just doing that? 914 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:58,950 What did he because I believe it fell off like it does with all 915 00:53:58,950 --> 00:54:03,060 these other subscription models. Okay, pal kicks you off. Yeah, 916 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:08,310 you lose this guy. You lose that guy. They stop subscribing, they 917 00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:11,250 fall by the wayside. We have a lot of people overboard. It 918 00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:14,670 doesn't work. I think he probably wasn't making a million 919 00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:20,940 a year anything became less and less and then nothing. I just 920 00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,940 don't think that the idea of having a simple subscription as 921 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:27,330 your only source and I've seen podcasters tried to do this, the 922 00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:31,380 model or we attempt to do and they keep it they limited they 923 00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:34,590 automatically limited Yeah, when you give them money. It's 19 924 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:36,750 bucks, you can give them 19 bucks, but you can't give them 925 00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:37,410 1000 926 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,010 which is the which is the downside of Patreon. Patreon is 927 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:42,900 set up in the wrong way in my 928 00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:46,380 gun is very limiting. For example, if somebody says watch 929 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:49,110 his Patreon. Well, we there's other reasons we don't use 930 00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:53,580 Patreon. Mainly that's their contract. We don't like it. But 931 00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:58,860 we have like every couple shows we have new offerings. And 932 00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:04,380 there's just you know, set up using Pay Pal. And you can set 933 00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:06,570 up a new, you know, again, there's some special deals, 934 00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:10,440 sometimes it's open donations, a random No. donation 935 00:55:10,469 --> 00:55:13,739 and seven times out of 10. It's the producers, the listeners 936 00:55:13,739 --> 00:55:17,579 themselves who come up with some crazy idea that we then adopt. 937 00:55:18,089 --> 00:55:23,789 Yes, like, 6969 we have the hands with 70 seats. 7373 we 938 00:55:23,789 --> 00:55:26,849 have 808 for boobs. I mean, this is all stuff. We didn't come up 939 00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:31,889 with this. No. Yeah, we could have but no, 940 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,400 yeah, we did. Well, the boobs. I don't know how you could come up 941 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:42,510 with that. Oh, was a little boob 606? Yeah, just, we had boob. 942 00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:45,690 And but we never, we did come up with little boob we could have, 943 00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:47,580 but we didn't do somebody else. 944 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,810 That's a great one to 945 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:55,440 know. And it's just it just the model that we put together I 946 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,400 think works better than anything else I've seen out there. We've, 947 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,830 you know, tried to get other people to do this exact same 948 00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:07,470 model, because I think it's a good model for anybody. And it 949 00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:10,380 stems pretty much from dedicating ourselves to the 950 00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:12,750 model and not even thinking about advertising. 951 00:56:12,779 --> 00:56:16,109 And then taking a risk. We took risk. 952 00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:20,460 You think so I never thought much of it as much. 953 00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,760 So I gave him my job at my own company. 954 00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:28,680 Yeah, you do? Well, you took a risk because you gave you quit. 955 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:29,970 You were but you were fed up. 956 00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:33,540 But also I couldn't I couldn't sell it to myself. Here I am, 957 00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:37,890 you know, at a podcast network which you you can't monetize the 958 00:56:37,890 --> 00:56:41,370 network. You know, trying to make cheap content and put 959 00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:45,210 stickers all over it to you know, with advertising. And 960 00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:47,970 meanwhile, the real fun was doing the no agenda show. And 961 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,180 it's just like, this is really, I love this. I love that when 962 00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:53,820 someone says, Hey, I enjoyed this. Here's how much I thought 963 00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:58,500 it was worth. That is so much more fulfilling than, gee, we we 964 00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,590 got all the views. We promised there's engagement boom, yeah, 965 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:03,720 thanks, advertiser. Oh, sucks. 966 00:57:03,779 --> 00:57:06,989 It sends some bots through and have them click. I don't want to 967 00:57:06,989 --> 00:57:11,549 talk about that. But anyway, so that's the way the model came 968 00:57:11,549 --> 00:57:14,759 about. And I think it was, I think it's good. I mean, we have 969 00:57:14,759 --> 00:57:17,159 our ups and downs is not very consistent. And this or some 970 00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:20,459 gimmick or something fancy going on or as an anniversary, you 971 00:57:20,459 --> 00:57:25,949 know, it is you struggle. I mean, it might as well be this 972 00:57:25,949 --> 00:57:28,799 is probably listen to this as our load donation segment. 973 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,270 Well, hold on, let me interrupt you. I'm going to show my school 974 00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:34,950 by donate to no agenda. 975 00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:37,770 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be 976 00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:38,160 fun. 977 00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:46,950 Also the Jeff Smith, 978 00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:52,590 and we want to mention the, we're not going to thank anybody 979 00:57:52,590 --> 00:57:55,980 on this show, or the next for that matter. And so anyone who 980 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,220 contributes to these shows these particular shows, like if you 981 00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:05,430 send something in over $50, today, it will be on the sewage 982 00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:12,030 show. 98696. And it'll be on. Yeah, that'll be the 30th the 983 00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:15,570 last day of the month. And so we'll do a big donation segment, 984 00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:19,530 which, believe me, we're used to, although combined a couple 985 00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:22,920 of shows, probably it actually combined three shows. Yeah. And 986 00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:25,650 there's gonna be three times longer than usual. But did you 987 00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:29,160 people this time of year, they're not this Thanksgiving, 988 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,410 nobody's listening. Okay, go back and listen, 989 00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,800 like the donation segments, those who don't know how to get 990 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,050 through it, and they miss important things. 991 00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:40,080 And we tell it, we have good stories within the we make the 992 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080 donation segment. Thank you. Interesting. Thank you. This is 993 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,850 this, I think is very entertaining 994 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,480 another point that needs to be made. But just since we're the 995 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,960 granddaddies of the podcast here for the moment, if you kind of 996 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,790 make it interesting. Yeah. So just sitting there, and just 997 00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:01,050 yeah, thank you for this. For that. No, man. And somehow we 998 00:59:01,050 --> 00:59:04,200 roped ourselves into playing classic jingles and all kinds of 999 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,260 stuff for people, which I think does make it interesting. 1000 00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:11,670 Except when they all ask for the exact same jingle one person 1001 00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:15,960 after it has read some random random number theory. But 1002 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,050 anyway, devora.org/na We'd appreciate if we had got some 1003 00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:22,680 help for this episode, which we are making an effort to do. 1004 00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:23,400 Yeah. And 1005 00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:26,640 and I actually, I would like to thank everybody. For 10 years, 1006 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,460 we've worked Yeah, for the better part of 10 years, we've 1007 00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:32,430 successfully been able to create this with you. Thank you so 1008 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:35,910 much. And I'm not just thanking you for I'm not just thinking 1009 00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:38,670 you from the bottom of my heart with my wife, both of his Ville 1010 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:45,660 it's not just the contributions through money. It's the it's 1011 00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:47,970 everything. It's all the stuff that you guys helped produce 1012 00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:51,240 with. I mean, that is the true community. And luckily, there's 1013 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,120 an understanding that the only way we can do our job is if you 1014 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,320 support us, and it works. And I think you know, maybe maybe 1015 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,200 maybe sometime in the future, some Wanna go, Hey, look what 1016 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,700 those guys were doing back then. 1017 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,320 Maybe it's a possibility and that will bring us out of this 1018 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240 segment into the questions 1019 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:15,600 fondue.org/and. A, I do want to just mention, since we pretty 1020 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,800 much mentioned on every single 200 dot whatever episode that 1021 01:00:19,830 --> 01:00:24,600 even even with our model, and this is important, we have the 1022 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:32,220 most messed up donation address in the world. DeVore ak.org/na, 1023 01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:35,430 you go on the street, do a Jimmy Kimmel man on the street, nine 1024 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:38,850 out of 10 people can't even spell Dvorak, let alone to get 1025 01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,440 to this to the URL. But this is the magic of what we do 1026 01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:51,450 devora.org/and A it works. Jingles work? They weren't we 1027 01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:51,690 use 1028 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,010 a lot of old tricks. 1029 01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:57,810 And if only the new broadcasters would understand that these old 1030 01:00:57,810 --> 01:00:59,340 tricks still work. 1031 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,720 They were developed over time when radio was King back in the 1032 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,020 good old days. And actually we after radio got knocked out of 1033 01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,720 being king, it got even better in terms of the tricks because 1034 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,900 you had to use more more tricks because you're competing with 1035 01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,200 television. Right? So radio really gotten to the point. I 1036 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,350 mean, the morning zoo model is not something that would do well 1037 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:20,580 in the 1930s. 1038 01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:25,620 And Scott Shannon still does it on CBS FM in New York. where I 1039 01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:27,930 learned how to do it he still does it the number one station 1040 01:01:27,930 --> 01:01:32,490 in New York, believe it or not. Now, still, it's still holds 1041 01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:33,030 water. 1042 01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:37,230 Well, you mentioned a second ago that what when people look back 1043 01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:41,250 on and think of this show, I don't think they're gonna think 1044 01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:44,130 much of the first 100 of them. But after that, I think we got 1045 01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:47,280 on a roll. And and that brings us to a question from Larry. 1046 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,090 Hey, okay, got a cop out questioning calls it may I 1047 01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:55,920 please ask how do you how do you two experts want to be 1048 01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:02,640 remembered? 100 years from now? Oh, okay. Well, 1049 01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:06,750 I, you want me to go first so that you can have a better 1050 01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:12,570 answer. I would like to be, I would like to be remembered by 1051 01:02:12,570 --> 01:02:17,760 what? What I fancy the most is when people send me an email and 1052 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,980 say, Wow, you really changed my life, or you helped me with my 1053 01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:27,870 kid or something is going better because of the show. That is 1054 01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:31,110 something you rarely get in mainstream coming from that 1055 01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:35,370 world. PVS throwaway product, we get the crap, throw it out done. 1056 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,640 We got to realize use this used to move product. It's Yes, 1057 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,820 exactly. It's not about the show. It typically mainstream. 1058 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:46,920 This is about the show. And this is and over over time, I think 1059 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,870 that we discovered ourselves that we were actually helping 1060 01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:56,400 ourselves deal with the insanity that was going that's going on 1061 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,910 in the world, which is partially while in a no small part, thanks 1062 01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:05,340 to the internet. You know, people are getting ill from this 1063 01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,700 stuff, but I think we kind of naturally identified it. And it 1064 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:13,200 was I felt I always found in good for myself like, Oh, I 1065 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,960 know. Hi, now that I've talked with John about this, and we 1066 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,810 were laughing about these morons and all this, etc, that instead 1067 01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:23,670 of being afraid or scared or, or worried, or you know, any number 1068 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:28,890 of things that is usually intentional. So, I would like to 1069 01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:33,240 be if someone somewhere said it 100 years from now, those guys 1070 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,190 you know, they apparently they really helped people out a lot 1071 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,580 with their format. With with their stylings. 1072 01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:42,990 gets a good as answers I could come up with 1073 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:49,230 Oh, cop out. Yeah. Come on, give it a shot, John. We know, 1074 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:55,080 I kind of want to be remembered for some original thinking. That 1075 01:03:55,110 --> 01:04:00,150 could be documented. I liked the idea of helping people I think 1076 01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:03,240 that people get whatever they get out of their current version 1077 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,330 of the show. And that show I think is versioned. And that you 1078 01:04:06,330 --> 01:04:09,360 have your original show and then show we talked about 1079 01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:11,580 restaurants. And we 1080 01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:15,180 that by the way, that was the show is also a bit about our 1081 01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:18,150 lives. Because we did that as you know, I wouldn't have I 1082 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,880 wouldn't see it for several weeks or whatever. And then I'd 1083 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,640 be in San Francisco, and we go and we go to it was kind of cool 1084 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,550 because I had the media credit card. And we go to a restaurant 1085 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:29,280 and I'd be like, yes, that was. That was very good. We have to 1086 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,390 do. Yeah, we have a meeting and some research we have to discuss 1087 01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,780 when we were totally just raping the company. 1088 01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:40,710 Totally raping them. You could we could have done better. 1089 01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:48,300 Exactly. Yeah, for a couple of days. Yeah, we're nice guys. We 1090 01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:51,750 didn't want to make it too crazy. But yeah, that was and 1091 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:54,660 people did like that. And I think people in fact, I want to 1092 01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:59,310 move to a question from the Twitter's what we talked about 1093 01:04:59,340 --> 01:05:02,880 all kinds of stuff that bothers us or the the food stuff was 1094 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,430 always good. We I think we still do that to a degree. Here's a 1095 01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:06,630 question from Adam PERT. 1096 01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:12,960 Why the vinegar fascination? This has just become a running 1097 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,190 gag, I guess. But maybe we 1098 01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:16,680 should Well, I have this vinegar book I'm supposed to do. But 1099 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,320 I've kept once I did I have a problem with with some of these 1100 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,220 little books. That is, 1101 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,460 why stop stop, you have a problem with any book. Since 1102 01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:25,770 I've known you since we done this show. You have not 1103 01:05:25,770 --> 01:05:27,030 published one book. 1104 01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:34,680 So one of the things that I've had a fascination with is these 1105 01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,800 is people who think that that big what's called a mother of 1106 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,300 vinegar, which is a big gob of goo cellulose that actually 1107 01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,360 produces vinegar, because it's a form of a senior bacteria, not 1108 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,960 the normal ones. Xilinx I think is something isn't the name of 1109 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,000 it. It produces a toxic vinegar that makes you give you a you 1110 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,380 have stomach aches for or nausea or heartburn for for a long time 1111 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,290 trying to get that out of your system. And people still make 1112 01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:04,290 vinegar from it. I keep wanting to do this book as a public 1113 01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:05,040 service. 1114 01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:06,210 There you go. Tell people. 1115 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,610 This was sorry, 1116 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,140 helping people once again. 1117 01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:13,260 Yeah, helping people once again. So that's the end. So I'm, I 1118 01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:15,810 keep reminding myself to finish this book. I actually, here's 1119 01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:18,540 what here's what my problem tends to be with this sort of 1120 01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:22,350 book and nonfiction is that I do all the research, I got all the 1121 01:06:22,350 --> 01:06:24,750 research done, and then I find out what I need to find out. I 1122 01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:28,590 know, I know what I need to know. Then I might as well go do 1123 01:06:28,590 --> 01:06:31,950 something else because I satisfy curiosity. 1124 01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:36,810 I'm done. No, no, I know what it is. I forget about it. Yeah, I 1125 01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:39,750 understand. Yeah. Well, I know you're a little bit so I 1126 01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:43,920 understand. I understand how that works. Do you anything? 1127 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,070 I got an email from Andrew. Scratch, scratch, scratch scrape 1128 01:06:50,070 --> 01:06:53,400 if something I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name. John, 1129 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,400 would you consider indexing specifying clips you'd like to 1130 01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,600 run on a show by number telling Adam simply something like PLAY 1131 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:01,740 CLIP three. 1132 01:07:02,370 --> 01:07:06,690 Oh, how incredibly boring. You want yourself robbing? 1133 01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:11,610 Well, it's what it is that comes from this guy obviously listens 1134 01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:16,950 to Mark Levin. Okay. Mark Levin and some of these other guys and 1135 01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:21,690 showed us I think to an extent savage does this. Yeah. They say 1136 01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:26,370 clip three go. Wow. And when they go play clip three, because 1137 01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:29,580 he's that's what he does. He's just playing clips. There is no. 1138 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,410 Adam doesn't obviously remember this? Because he would have said 1139 01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:35,340 something already. 1140 01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:39,300 I tried. Oh, you did try a numbering system. Yes. You're 1141 01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:40,830 right. I recall right up 1142 01:07:40,830 --> 01:07:45,780 basically told me to pound salt. He's refuses to do that. Because 1143 01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:47,040 he feels like a monkey. 1144 01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:50,310 Oh, that's not why. Well, no, that's 1145 01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:52,530 not why it's just got to be an element. 1146 01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:56,100 No, I find it actually much easier. No, of course not. Now, 1147 01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,450 I know you pretty well. So I we you know, you can pre guess the 1148 01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:02,880 clips. Yeah, when you're talking. So that's what I do. 1149 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,910 And there's a video out there on YouTube called how the sausage 1150 01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:09,510 is made. You can see it and you hear you hear John talking? 1151 01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:12,960 You're talking about okay, blah, blah, blah, whatever the topic 1152 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,290 is, and you can see my mouse. Like, is it this one? Is it that 1153 01:08:16,290 --> 01:08:19,320 one? Okay, I know what he's talking about. Drag it in. Maybe 1154 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,900 there's two different things in the two clips with the same 1155 01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:27,150 topic. I'll drag them both in, get ready to start it. I like 1156 01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:31,920 being able to start a clip without you saying anything. at 1157 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,660 all, no cue. Now. 1158 01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:36,660 Yeah, that does happen on a really great show. And this I 1159 01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:41,340 actually determined to show is good. It's smooth as silk. I'll 1160 01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:44,190 be yakking about something and he will see that what I'm 1161 01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:48,570 talking about as a clip, you see the clip? And then I will just 1162 01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:54,450 stop talking to that pause. And Neil nail it and when you when 1163 01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:56,550 you listen to one of those shows, and there's they're not 1164 01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:00,450 every show, but there's more than you'd expect. It's 1165 01:09:00,450 --> 01:09:02,070 dynamite. Yeah. And 1166 01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:05,040 that's why it's many people professionals say to you guys 1167 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,800 edit that show. How do you how do you do? How much work do you 1168 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,320 put into that? No, we do it live we do it live. 1169 01:09:12,779 --> 01:09:19,049 So that's the real reason. And it is I think it's annoying PLAY 1170 01:09:19,049 --> 01:09:21,419 CLIP three piping is not necessary. And then you know, 1171 01:09:21,419 --> 01:09:23,729 he's not we don't have an engineer. We're working on the 1172 01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:26,639 show together. Yeah, the engineer is not part of the show 1173 01:09:26,639 --> 01:09:29,639 on those on the Rush Limbaugh show. I mean, sneeringly comes 1174 01:09:29,639 --> 01:09:32,279 in once in a while to his headphones, but we don't get to 1175 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,629 hear him. Now just it's the old fashioned one guy yakking 1176 01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:42,030 and yeah, it's because of our combined talents that the show 1177 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,240 that the show actually works and it's cost effective, because you 1178 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,930 know, IT professional, your broadcast professional. I hear 1179 01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,530 when you're ready for the clip. I often miss guess it three, 1180 01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:55,410 four times. I'll start the clip and usually have a little bit of 1181 01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:59,820 pad in the beginning of your clips. And I'm sure people have 1182 01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:02,580 heard that clip will start. You'll hear it and you're 1183 01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:05,760 talking. Oops, oops, stop. Rewind, stop. Rewind, stop 1184 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,400 rewind. Yeah. So when you've been suggested, yeah, you should 1185 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,160 get a red light. No. Red. Yeah, like you press a button. You 1186 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:20,280 press a button. I go, okay. No. Now the there is, of course, a 1187 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,680 way to do it where you could be starting your own clips. But 1188 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,790 what's the fun of that? 1189 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:30,120 Well, I get it. Yes. And I could actually change my rig. And have 1190 01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,750 a I could actually do the clips from here. I just need to change 1191 01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:36,960 everything. Yeah, I can put a mixer in here and I could do the 1192 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,920 I can run my own clips. But the way it works now, it's it's so 1193 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,890 interesting, and I think it's, it kind of works a little 1194 01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:47,190 better. That's a little more honest. Because there's a 1195 01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,060 clumsiness. Sometimes it's, that's charming, I think. I 1196 01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:57,270 agree. Dean Reiner says, I'm aware of the lack of consequence 1197 01:10:57,270 --> 01:11:01,650 to this question. But to whom? Or what does Adam announce the 1198 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:05,220 to whom? Or what does Adam announce the nice things? And 1199 01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:07,020 then he has k what? 1200 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:11,250 To who? Or what do I announce the nine things? 1201 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,890 I'm not sure what this means? Does he mean the music? Now he's 1202 01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:22,020 saying to whom? Who? Who's in it? Who's the audience? I guess? 1203 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:22,980 Well, I don't know. I 1204 01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:26,760 don't know the audience. I asked. I asked the Dames and the 1205 01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:30,420 dames knights to be I asked them up on the podium next to the 1206 01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:38,880 lectern. And obviously, down in the in the hall is the round 1207 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,400 table with the existing Knights and Dames. They're all sitting 1208 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,770 there watching. I don't understand what what the 1209 01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:44,520 question is. 1210 01:11:44,820 --> 01:11:47,730 Yeah. I think you answered it. 1211 01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:52,410 Connor Jarrett, your thoughts on the future of podcasting? Do you 1212 01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:56,070 see it being valued for value model? Or a hell of shilling 1213 01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:59,190 tongue brushes and razor blades? Yeah, I think that's what it's 1214 01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:59,670 gonna be. 1215 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,390 I mean, just tongue brushes. 1216 01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:07,800 Yeah. And razor blades? Sure. Not a lot of people will do this 1217 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,730 model. So if you think I'm just saying what it will be in the 1218 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:14,970 future is look at it. Everyone's doing advertising. Yeah, I don't 1219 01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:15,120 think 1220 01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:20,010 that's 100% agreement. Nobody wants to do this model. I mean, 1221 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:22,800 we do have Jen, Brian, he does this model, she does quite well 1222 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,490 for herself. 1223 01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:24,900 And you met on I think, 1224 01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:32,220 yeah, it was helped. But there's other people that could do this 1225 01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:35,010 model, and they just won't pull it, they won't. I don't want to 1226 01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:39,600 say who it is. But there's somebody that has a version of 1227 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,010 this model. But they use Patreon almost exclusively, which we 1228 01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:49,350 believe to be a mistake. And they once said, they can't 1229 01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:52,290 totally get into the mall because this person once said, I 1230 01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:58,950 don't think I'd feel comfortable taking checks. And Adam and I 1231 01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:02,430 discussed this every once in a while we know who it is. And we 1232 01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:05,190 discuss it and you shake your head. 1233 01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:08,580 And why wouldn't you take money? I don't understand. 1234 01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:11,550 I don't know I wouldn't feel comfortable. I take in money 1235 01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:13,950 from pay. I mean, I can take the check the goods comes in the 1236 01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:16,590 mail from Patreon. But I won't take a check from a listener. 1237 01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:17,340 Why? 1238 01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:22,320 And in fact, you you've kind of made a hobby of looking into all 1239 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:28,020 these alternative forms like pop money and guess what other ones 1240 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,800 probably be more money right now through a credit union does 1241 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,160 work. Checks work great. And 1242 01:13:35,759 --> 01:13:38,279 everybody wins and checks. Everybody wins. Yeah, there's no 1243 01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:39,539 cost. That's fantastic. 1244 01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:44,550 No cost. And bank has to pick up a it helps the mail. 1245 01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:48,810 It keeps the US Postal Service and businesses is a very good 1246 01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:52,170 thing. These checks. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so we like the checks. 1247 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,250 Yeah. And they're and sometimes they're pretty nice. Somebody 1248 01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:56,760 also 1249 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,790 said some people send their own check from their personal 1250 01:13:59,790 --> 01:14:01,950 account through the mail with their own 1251 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,190 it's not a check. It's content. 1252 01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:09,780 Yeah, it's content. That's what it is. Exactly. 1253 01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:15,840 Alan Bradley. Why do you interrupt Adams professional 1254 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,170 well written show opens with duck calls and sound effects. 1255 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,980 I do that I don't do that that often. I just think you 1256 01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:27,270 don't do it often enough. You started doing that a couple of 1257 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,810 years ago, man that's more than that. Five years ago, I'll say 1258 01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:36,690 yeah, it's very it began I began with a slide whistle 1259 01:14:36,750 --> 01:14:40,260 you start a slide with a slide whistle and a harmonica is yeah 1260 01:14:40,260 --> 01:14:40,830 harmonica 1261 01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:46,290 isn't slide whistles. And I think it was like a Spike Jones 1262 01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:50,310 thing just you know, once the module just throw something in 1263 01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:53,670 there. Totally. Spike Jones has another you know, jingle like 1264 01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:57,240 thing for transition or an accent or you know, and that we 1265 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,470 also have the bells of course. I think I All both of those. You 1266 01:15:01,470 --> 01:15:03,900 started with a slide whistle I got a slide whistle. That's 1267 01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:08,730 true. You gotta go. I got it. I got a digital bill. Well, I have 1268 01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:12,180 real belt. There's a real Bell and here's the digital bill. 1269 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:18,420 Okay, well, you got to Belsen. I haven't gone anywhere. 1270 01:15:18,449 --> 01:15:23,189 But what? Here's my question to you. Just right near your chaise 1271 01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:28,409 lounge where you are now. Yeah. What what noisemakers Do you 1272 01:15:28,409 --> 01:15:30,959 have? Just give them to us one by one? 1273 01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,879 Okay, I've got to the recorder. The off key recorder I have 1274 01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:39,600 to come to your house. I'm going to play that thing. And you're 1275 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,240 gonna be like, Wow, I had no idea. It actually wasn't broken. 1276 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:48,000 There's no way Look, there's no way this thing is broken. It's 1277 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:48,330 not 1278 01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:50,760 broken. You're done doing it right. 1279 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,820 Doing It Wrong. I got I got chimes. Yeah, I got the gong 1280 01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:01,290 sounds what chimes he's changed 1281 01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:03,330 I don't play him that much. Because they're kind of set over 1282 01:16:03,330 --> 01:16:08,190 here and you can barely hear him up and take near the mic. So I 1283 01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:12,030 just stay there. I never really use them much. I get to to sound 1284 01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:20,370 makers, electronic sound makers like this one. And, and this the 1285 01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:25,110 other one you gotta buy this one's got four by five it's got 1286 01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:29,880 20 buttons on it. The other one has four. I have a bunch of 1287 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,740 harmonic as different keys. I have a right hands link that 1288 01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:41,130 always got this ready. I have that horrible sounding this 1289 01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:41,610 thing 1290 01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:45,750 oh no, no, that's a bad one people get very triggered by 1291 01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:46,260 that thing. 1292 01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:50,640 Yeah, I don't like it and it's and it hurts. I hit it with a 1293 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,040 piece of plastic this time so you couldn't really hear it but 1294 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:53,910 oh my god yeah, 1295 01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:56,730 that's what the teacher we got that because a teacher was using 1296 01:16:56,730 --> 01:17:00,060 that in class to get the children's attention and make 1297 01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:00,990 them some better good. 1298 01:17:01,050 --> 01:17:09,540 Yeah, I got this I have the duck call. I have the moose call or 1299 01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:12,420 deer call. These are all right at my fingertips. So 1300 01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:14,130 give us give them to us. 1301 01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:19,440 Oh, okay, well right my fingertips but push them aside 1302 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,850 here's the I got this is a good one I forget about this all the 1303 01:17:23,850 --> 01:17:31,920 time need to read I got this thing this Yep, got that which 1304 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:42,570 also sounds like this I got this and this got about that I don't 1305 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:52,170 use it that much. I got this got this 1306 01:17:57,630 --> 01:18:00,480 in your family gives you these things as gifts for birthdays 1307 01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:10,500 and Christmas don't lose your 1308 01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:14,310 Hillary pen. The Hillary pen Yeah, that's not right at my 1309 01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:18,780 fingertips it's on the table. Let me take a spin around here 1310 01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:24,810 on this chair. Should be one there it is. In the pile pile of 1311 01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:41,370 paper to classic got this guy one had to 1312 01:18:42,089 --> 01:18:48,779 I got this guy. I got that. I love that one. I only have three 1313 01:18:48,779 --> 01:18:51,269 No, I only have three noisemakers I got actually this 1314 01:18:51,269 --> 01:18:53,879 is this is not a noisemaker This is my instrument. I've gotten 1315 01:18:53,879 --> 01:19:02,459 pretty good on this slide whistle actually put on it well, 1316 01:19:02,519 --> 01:19:03,359 that's not my day, 1317 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,890 and we both have kazoos. I don't know where mine is. Because my 1318 01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:11,430 kazoo, you don't need as many noisemakers because you have the 1319 01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:16,800 soundboard Yes, I do have this. I got that. I have one of those. 1320 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:23,490 I lost it. And the most important one is this. I use 1321 01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:25,410 this font. We can make a lot of racket. Yeah. 1322 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:26,520 So that's where we have 1323 01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:34,080 Alex B writes, will you continue the show for the rest of Trump's 1324 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:41,640 first term like you promised right after he was elected? I 1325 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,800 keep hearing jokes about exit strategies. Any hints about 1326 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,750 quitting? I know it's selfish, but I would hate I'd hate it if 1327 01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:54,600 you quit too soon since I only started listening right after 1328 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,280 Trump was elected know what it is ask for my recommended suite 1329 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:05,370 of anti virus Software and other tools I use a vast AVG LG use 1330 01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:10,530 AVG no no I switched to Avast out long time ago, I use a vast 1331 01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:15,030 free and I also use Spy Hunter. 1332 01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:18,780 Yes bite so I have Spy Hunter Spy Hunter Hunter 1333 01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:24,900 it does the trick as Adam When did singing along to the Ride of 1334 01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:29,820 the Valkyries when did that began? What makes rituals like 1335 01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:32,970 that so embrace? I'll tell you but let me answer for him before 1336 01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:37,020 he answers which is he's superstitious. Yes. Give her a 1337 01:20:37,020 --> 01:20:39,990 notice you hold any other superstition outside of the 1338 01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:40,530 show? 1339 01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:45,390 Oh, tons of superstitions. Yeah, yeah. It's all part of the 1340 01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:50,220 Tourette's obviously. I don't remember exactly when it 1341 01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:53,550 started. I do know that we were talking about or I'm sure it was 1342 01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:59,130 something came up on the show that Hitler's guy gurbles the PR 1343 01:20:59,130 --> 01:21:04,920 guy he would always play the right of the Valkyrie before 1344 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,370 Hitler did important big speech. I thought well, you know, that's 1345 01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:11,790 a good idea. I'll get everybody kinda like it's and we have a 1346 01:21:11,790 --> 01:21:16,020 very good version of it to the fat lady. Even though we've 1347 01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:19,560 never seen her we just know you imagined It's like she's a nice 1348 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,750 plump lady who's singing that there's no there's no other 1349 01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:25,110 ladies look like you can do that unless it look like that. That 1350 01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:31,470 kind of operatic I think so. Yeah, this is perfect. And she I 1351 01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,920 don't know then somehow Cinco de Maya came in that became a thing 1352 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:34,980 I 1353 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,020 don't know where they came in. Oh, 1354 01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:39,960 I don't know. Yes, I'm very 1355 01:21:40,589 --> 01:21:47,789 just for one thing that song is not kept on the recordings. No, 1356 01:21:47,789 --> 01:21:50,729 it's so it's impossible to track down when that happen because we 1357 01:21:50,729 --> 01:21:52,139 don't record that part of the show. 1358 01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:54,900 Well I do on the backup recorder but I always delete that. 1359 01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,800 Yeah, you can't keep all that stuff. So we'd have to go 1360 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,230 through show up to show you where he first did it we first 1361 01:22:01,230 --> 01:22:05,670 did Cinco de mio and then you did it and did it is my 1362 01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:08,820 recollection. You did it did it did it any one time you didn't 1363 01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:11,730 do it and there was some follow up with the show. And so you 1364 01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:15,450 made the assumption that it was the Sanko missing Sanko to 1365 01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:19,050 Majlis and to this day if you miss Sanko tomorrow you're very 1366 01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:19,680 upset 1367 01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:22,710 yes and there's a lot of people listening to the show have no 1368 01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:26,130 idea what this is because it's always on the live stream is 1369 01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:30,090 never in the show itself. Someone came up with with an 1370 01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:34,920 abbreviated version in which is kind of like a break glass in 1371 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,580 case of an emergency if I miss saying Cinco Demayo at the right 1372 01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:41,910 point you know it makes no sense to start the whole thing over 1373 01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:44,370 again instead we have this version. 1374 01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:53,280 Yes and well we also have is the me got a couple of shouts like 1375 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,470 that. That's all it's almost Yeah, it is superstition, but 1376 01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:57,420 it's kind of like getting ready for the big game. I take this 1377 01:23:57,420 --> 01:24:01,830 seriously. You know, it's like it's three hours where, you 1378 01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:04,650 know, we've been up for hours getting everything ready. You 1379 01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:07,980 know, I'm psyched getting psyched. That's what it is 1380 01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:08,880 getting psyched. 1381 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,740 Yeah, yeah, it's like a football game. Honky Tonk. Willie writes 1382 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,710 your show is immensely educational. As such without 1383 01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:22,530 certain background information, much of your discussion lacks 1384 01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:26,070 the necessary context for new audience numbered members. This 1385 01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:29,310 is one of the reasons we do this particular show every so often. 1386 01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:33,120 Here's a few items, I think would be good to address. We're 1387 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,480 not going to address any of them probably, but I'll list them. 1388 01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:41,040 And exposition on pipelines would be good. Nord Stream suds 1389 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,730 should stream Qatar Iraq blah, blah, blah. Okay, 1390 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,600 well, you saying that would be good to have that. 1391 01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:51,990 Then now we've done it before. There's a show dedicated to 1392 01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:55,110 it. Yes, that's that's exactly why I'm so surprised. 1393 01:24:55,410 --> 01:25:00,210 I don't know that he knows what show it is to you. You're gonna 1394 01:25:00,210 --> 01:25:02,850 look it up well I read this list is a long list by the way, we're 1395 01:25:02,850 --> 01:25:05,820 not obviously going to be able to address it on this show T tip 1396 01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:09,210 of the Trans Pacific Partnership said and other huge trade 1397 01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:13,950 agreements that are not opaque. A roadmap of liberals and 1398 01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,800 conservatives classic and modern laid out on top of current 1399 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,100 Republican Democrat ideologies, hawks and doves, and where the 1400 01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:24,270 Neo cons fit into the mix globalism versus nationalism 1401 01:25:24,270 --> 01:25:27,390 what they really are versus what people think they are, like 1402 01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:32,220 people on the street bit bit with people thinking socialism 1403 01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:36,570 sounded pretty good. People think globalism, one big groovy 1404 01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:42,480 Global Village five or 12345, the economic hitman style of 1405 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:45,510 exploitation. You explained it fully several years ago. And now 1406 01:25:45,630 --> 01:25:51,090 just refer to it by name. expound on this, Ukraine number 1407 01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:54,960 six, Ukraine hits at least four of the above. So that's a rich 1408 01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:00,090 subject for a recap. seven to seven countries in five years 1409 01:26:00,090 --> 01:26:01,470 also we do that a lot. 1410 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,310 Yeah, in fact, it now it's really in play again, when he 1411 01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:05,580 gets a 1412 01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:08,160 lot of play on the show, but I can hardly remember the thinking 1413 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,790 behind it. We are spreading democracy giving the finger to 1414 01:26:11,790 --> 01:26:14,970 Russia. There was no thinking behind it when it first showed 1415 01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:18,180 up. No, there was no thinking behind it. It was just something 1416 01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:19,530 that was the West Lark. 1417 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:26,790 He wants to go to Episode 426, July 15 2012. That was the 1418 01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:31,290 pipeline report. And that is the episode where we discuss all of 1419 01:26:31,290 --> 01:26:34,920 that all of those pipelines and the and everything behind it. 1420 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,400 And that's been an ongoing as still is an ongoing thesis where 1421 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,220 I'm talking about that much anymore. A lot of these projects 1422 01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:45,750 have been stalled. And the focus is a bit off of Ukraine now but 1423 01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:49,890 that is that's and that was also thanks to one of our characters 1424 01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:53,400 on the show back in the day, Mr. Oil, if you remember him. Yeah, 1425 01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:57,840 Mr. Oil was a commodities trader traded oil and Russian guy 1426 01:26:57,870 --> 01:27:02,880 living in the UK. And he explained to me, you know, how 1427 01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:06,870 everything really revolves around oil and its transport, 1428 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,440 and not just oil, but also gas. And so then you know, then we 1429 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:13,110 understood the gas part. And once we got that, then you 1430 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,380 understand all the problems with Russia, you understand the 1431 01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:20,040 tension with the EU 426 is a good episode four to 1432 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,140 six.na shownotes.com. 1433 01:27:22,679 --> 01:27:28,409 There is also we had to we are the two of us are accepting of 1434 01:27:28,409 --> 01:27:32,639 the fact that we are in a petroleum economy. Yes. Which a 1435 01:27:32,669 --> 01:27:34,529 lot of people are just in denial about 1436 01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:37,560 and it's not just what you put in your motorized vehicle 1437 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,360 either. It's look around you 1438 01:27:39,389 --> 01:27:42,839 every is the paint is your belt is the paint is your rayon 1439 01:27:42,869 --> 01:27:47,999 shirts such as crocs. It's everything. Crocs, crocs, crocs, 1440 01:27:48,029 --> 01:27:52,769 it's all petroleum products. Exactly. Okay, onward. He says 1441 01:27:55,259 --> 01:27:58,739 seven countries in five years, okay. Democracy versus Republic 1442 01:27:58,739 --> 01:28:01,469 forms of government mind. We talked about it every so often. 1443 01:28:01,499 --> 01:28:03,479 You know, this is one of the things that should be taught in 1444 01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:08,609 high school. Thank you. And we can't really pick up that much 1445 01:28:08,609 --> 01:28:12,419 slack and without boring people to death. That's also what we 1446 01:28:12,419 --> 01:28:15,449 do. I mean, we do not we're not here to educate you. We're here 1447 01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:17,699 to deconstruct news. Yeah, we're trying to 1448 01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:21,240 help you understand what the bullcrap is, how it's made, why 1449 01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,020 it's made, and what's ultimately behind it. And and to some 1450 01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:29,550 degree on a grand scale, what the moves are meant to be in the 1451 01:28:29,550 --> 01:28:32,670 world. It's kind of a small world when you look at the map, 1452 01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:36,420 but for us, it's like, okay, this is why this is happening. 1453 01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:42,450 And he says, Episode 200x is a perfect place for a rundown on 1454 01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:46,080 the best port wines of last 100 years, as well as notable 1455 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,370 vintages of French reds and any interesting California wines. 1456 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,300 Yeah, it is a good idea. We're not going to do it, though. For 1457 01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:56,880 the regular show, restaurant reviews are always welcome. 1458 01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:01,620 Because they visited the Bay Area. But anyway, yeah, we do 1459 01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:04,710 what we can. I know there's a lot of back references that 1460 01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:10,410 really hurts new listeners because we don't we do we do 1461 01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:11,760 reference a lot we say what 1462 01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:15,720 the I think what is often difficult is our nomenclature. 1463 01:29:16,380 --> 01:29:21,660 It's in, in off show life and in show life, I have a hard time 1464 01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:25,230 remembering people by their actual name. And so I give them 1465 01:29:25,230 --> 01:29:28,770 names. And people around me usually figure out who I'm 1466 01:29:28,770 --> 01:29:33,750 talking about. And I don't know if we just kind of stuck we do a 1467 01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:36,120 lot of that on the show and we have nicknames for everybody. 1468 01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:38,130 Usually disparaging. 1469 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,260 Yeah, they tend to be 1470 01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:43,740 that's hard for people because it's one 1471 01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:47,640 of those things. Now finally say as a PSA, this is kind of 1472 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,950 interesting. He says I'm a loudspeaker guy and only twice 1473 01:29:49,950 --> 01:29:52,590 in 10 years. Have you said anything about your home 1474 01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:58,410 speakers? Okay, my speaker setup currently is a it's a 1475 01:29:58,410 --> 01:30:01,740 combination of speakers that I have Rigg together. But my 1476 01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:06,390 favorite normal speakers adult quiz DQ tans which can be had 1477 01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:08,970 for about 600 bucks if you shop around but you do need 1478 01:30:08,970 --> 01:30:13,050 subwoofers now he says you need at least 12 inch woofers or I've 1479 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:17,130 made that opinion but I said I have 15 inch woofers I actually 1480 01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:21,540 have two sets of 15 inch woofers they're not eight JBL 's are two 1481 01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:28,590 very large boxes of sirloin Vega 15 inch woofers in a I had a 1482 01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:31,590 friend of mine is this backstory friend of mine used to it was 1483 01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:35,010 still stills major speaker designer and while he was 1484 01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:39,570 working for Sir When Vega he sent me these two boxes of giant 1485 01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:43,470 woofers and I've been using them ever since they're dynamite. And 1486 01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:47,100 so I don't know if they're even available to the public Tom down 1487 01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:51,540 your cars. Another classic. Another classic 1488 01:30:51,570 --> 01:30:53,550 remember that? Oh, this is something that needs to be 1489 01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:57,780 mentioned since it isn't on the show in all the it's an all the 1490 01:30:57,780 --> 01:31:03,630 other 200 dot foo episodes. John does not use headphones. He 1491 01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:07,620 listens to everything on speakers in his studio, which 1492 01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:12,030 was a problem for a while there for a number of reasons. That's 1493 01:31:12,030 --> 01:31:15,120 actually how we started using noise gates is I guess I could 1494 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,970 hear my voice coming back through your microphone with a 1495 01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:19,740 delay of course thanks to Skype 1496 01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:24,270 as it was horrible. I had to turn the speakers way down 1497 01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:26,670 alright, they worked in some environments where the speakers 1498 01:31:26,670 --> 01:31:29,550 were a mile away there was a there's some magic distance you 1499 01:31:29,550 --> 01:31:33,180 can put the speakers and I've had him way out there but ever 1500 01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:36,540 since he got his thing perfected I could get the six figures 1501 01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:39,150 anywhere doesn't he just doesn't bounce back on him 1502 01:31:39,179 --> 01:31:45,179 don't have any issue at all. But it is a style of of radio and 1503 01:31:45,179 --> 01:31:50,219 just call it radio. Not using headphones that is you know, I 1504 01:31:50,219 --> 01:31:54,179 can't do it. You can you'd like it you prefer I can't I need to 1505 01:31:54,179 --> 01:31:57,569 hear exactly what's going on. And you just for some reason you 1506 01:31:57,569 --> 01:31:59,279 don't Yeah, you don't need them. 1507 01:31:59,310 --> 01:32:03,510 I really like it a lot better free air. And I got this first 1508 01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:05,820 time I ever saw it been professionally use it was when I 1509 01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:09,300 was floating around promoting a book and I got to go to a lot of 1510 01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:12,090 radio stations around the country. And the one thing I 1511 01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,150 noticed is that no two radio stations are the same. No, which 1512 01:32:15,150 --> 01:32:19,440 is anything but standardized. And I was up in Vancouver, 1513 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:23,730 Canada, there's a talk guy up there named Bill good. And Bill 1514 01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:26,910 good was free for me wouldn't even let me put you know, we do 1515 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:29,880 have a chair at a microphone and we act away and it came out 1516 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,810 fine. And then I started various overtime, I developed the 1517 01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:36,480 ability to do it because you do have to be a little 1518 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:39,870 conscientious about your work how you're making yourself 1519 01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,930 exactly. You It's everyone's Well, I kind of I kind of go off 1520 01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,310 axis like this. But generally speaking, I'm where I'm supposed 1521 01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:50,610 to be. 1522 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,790 You're a professional. I'm a professional professional 1523 01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:59,070 pronunce Decatur. Here's a question from wherever they go. 1524 01:32:59,070 --> 01:33:05,820 My question is from Jeff J to H. John, what other jobs do you 1525 01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:08,190 currently have? Besides the show? 1526 01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:13,320 Right now I'm just writing a column for PC Magazine and 1527 01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:18,330 trying to finish some books. Also do the DHMC I was gonna 1528 01:33:18,330 --> 01:33:22,230 say, do GH and plug and play with Andrew Horowitz is we run 1529 01:33:22,230 --> 01:33:27,210 it on Tuesday and he runs a chat room live live stream too. And I 1530 01:33:27,210 --> 01:33:30,150 liked that because I used to always have a job or working for 1531 01:33:30,150 --> 01:33:34,440 some financial publication. And this keeps me in the game. I get 1532 01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:37,410 to you know, hear what's going on with kids. Horowitz is in the 1533 01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:38,340 business? Yep. 1534 01:33:39,630 --> 01:33:43,680 Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any other job. This is my job. This 1535 01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:44,340 is what I do. 1536 01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:51,090 Brian, Brian Edelen writes, has anyone ever contacted either of 1537 01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:55,140 you two guys, after they've been featured negatively in a clip 1538 01:33:55,140 --> 01:33:59,160 deconstruction, maybe a PR person or an angry fan base of 1539 01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,510 that person? We remember anybody getting irked by our 1540 01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:04,500 presentation. 1541 01:34:04,530 --> 01:34:07,740 Now, I can't remember. I mean, lots of people get irked about 1542 01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:17,190 stuff we say. No. i Why would they? You mean like a politician 1543 01:34:17,190 --> 01:34:18,540 or a celebrated 1544 01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,330 or PR person that doesn't want us talking about something like 1545 01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:24,750 Monsanto? I mean, we are old or older shows which concentrate a 1546 01:34:24,750 --> 01:34:27,600 lot on Monsanto. You had a jingle that we haven't played 1547 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:34,200 for a long time. You think they would be the ones that would you 1548 01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,280 know? No. 1549 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,270 Honestly, I think people just think that's a podcast that 1550 01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,840 gives a crap. I honestly believe you're right and they're wrong. 1551 01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:49,770 They're absolutely wrong. It's like It's like even people 1552 01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:53,220 always say you should you know get some press Get a PA we've 1553 01:34:53,250 --> 01:34:55,800 done this from time to time we've tried to do interviews, 1554 01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:59,730 that never really works. You know if if we could get on Joe 1555 01:34:59,730 --> 01:35:02,430 Rogan and show and I'd like to let everybody know I'd love to 1556 01:35:02,430 --> 01:35:06,660 go on Joe Rogan John would love to go on Joe Rogan that's never 1557 01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:10,620 worked out I've never been officially invited I don't know 1558 01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:13,620 to that kind of stuff works very well 1559 01:35:13,860 --> 01:35:16,110 yeah cuz he's got a good audience a big one 1560 01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:16,650 yeah 1561 01:35:18,779 --> 01:35:22,379 does Adam still have his bar of gold and all of his Bitcoin as 1562 01:35:22,409 --> 01:35:28,319 Dr. Chris will the bar of gold? No, no, we lost that in divorce 1563 01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:34,919 one I do not have all my bitcoin I still have some, but I am not 1564 01:35:34,919 --> 01:35:38,369 really going to sell it. It's I got it for nothing. I got it 1565 01:35:38,369 --> 01:35:41,699 from listeners from the daily source code. You know, it was 1566 01:35:41,699 --> 01:35:44,909 just like it used to be when it was new you could you bought a 1567 01:35:44,909 --> 01:35:51,749 pizza for 1000 Bitcoin at? And I don't know, so I'm, I think I 1568 01:35:51,749 --> 01:35:55,319 live true to our standard of what Bitcoin is, I don't care. 1569 01:35:55,829 --> 01:35:58,109 And maybe one day, it'll be a million of it. Yeah. Not that 1570 01:35:58,109 --> 01:36:01,229 you can sell it all. That's a little secret about Bitcoin, 1571 01:36:01,859 --> 01:36:06,419 even to the exchanges. You can sell I think $2,000 worth a day. 1572 01:36:06,449 --> 01:36:07,889 Now that's really going to work. 1573 01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:13,830 Okay, here's a here's a beauty. This is why we have these 1574 01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:18,540 listeners, Jeremy being one of them. In Canada, in the morning, 1575 01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:22,620 please, please, please, please take a good look at the flat 1576 01:36:22,650 --> 01:36:26,430 earth movement. It's real. And you would not want to miss the 1577 01:36:26,430 --> 01:36:29,880 opportunity you have now to be on the cutting edge of the 1578 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,690 discussion. Either way, I will always be your lifetime 1579 01:36:33,690 --> 01:36:36,180 supporter. stay flat jaren. 1580 01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:43,260 Well, we did a couple of flat Earth episodes. Yeah. Actually, 1581 01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:47,220 and it was very difficult because John, of course, would 1582 01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:52,770 just scoff at every every 30 seconds. I don't remember what 1583 01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:56,370 episode it was. It was it was not that long ago. It maybe it 1584 01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:59,580 was about a year at least a year ago. Yeah. But we're always on 1585 01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:03,930 the cutting edge of that kind of stuff. Now, yeah. Is there 1586 01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:06,750 anything more we can say about it? No. You know, there's just 1587 01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:08,460 there's nothing else to say unless there's some 1588 01:37:08,460 --> 01:37:12,150 revolutionary breakthrough. But that's also not what we 1589 01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:15,570 do. Yeah, we deconstruct news story. Yeah, 1590 01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:18,660 if it's in the news, then yeah, then it'd be fun to talk about 1591 01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:24,540 it. But it really isn't. And nor do I expect it to ever be Yeah, 1592 01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:27,450 we're it's interesting. No one's asked about our climate change 1593 01:37:27,450 --> 01:37:28,470 skepticism. 1594 01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:30,840 Not yet. I mean, it might be in his notes because we're going to 1595 01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:33,900 get to get through some of these getting getting getting on with 1596 01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:41,220 the show here. Okay. Is from Dean warm owl. He says, When 1597 01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:46,800 Adam nights producers, he uses the phrase, I am very proud to 1598 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:52,620 announce the Knights of the K B. What does KB stand for? Or mean? 1599 01:37:53,670 --> 01:37:55,350 I've never said that. I 1600 01:37:55,470 --> 01:37:56,910 don't remember it either. 1601 01:37:57,510 --> 01:38:04,200 I think what he's hearing is I pronounced the K v. That's what 1602 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:08,820 I say. I hereby pronounce the k d. So maybe he's hearing K 1603 01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:13,530 pronounce the K the k b Yes. pronounced the K the Yes. 1604 01:38:13,890 --> 01:38:17,190 pronounced the K I don't think is a real word. It's something I 1605 01:38:17,190 --> 01:38:22,080 picked up in the 80s and late 80s from Scott Shannon because 1606 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,380 he would say he would talk about um your pronounced Decatur on 1607 01:38:25,380 --> 01:38:28,320 duty and it just kind of stuck and I don't know I'd like 1608 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,830 pronounced to Kate stupid word but it's for our official 1609 01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:39,330 ceremony so it's it's it is Let it be so written. Okay, V. 1610 01:38:39,660 --> 01:38:42,150 Now some people have taken advantage of this show questions 1611 01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:44,790 moment. I'm going to read one of them. I'm going to ask you the 1612 01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:51,690 question. Why won't Seagulls Fly over bays with questions this 1613 01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:54,360 because they would be bagels 1614 01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:02,190 ah okay Are there any more legitimate questions? 1615 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,110 Is plenty is it on the Twitter's 1616 01:39:04,650 --> 01:39:07,380 No no, I actually I just retweeted to see if I can get 1617 01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:10,650 some more that's really not that much. Maybe Maybe I have to look 1618 01:39:10,650 --> 01:39:12,300 at your 1619 01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:18,900 beard should go to us as well as me. Okay, what Brian What 1620 01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:23,520 wallisch? What are the night levels and what do they mean? Ag 1621 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:28,590 night can assign name but no territory. What are the in show 1622 01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:32,970 donation levels? 50 100 gets names and locations only as a 1623 01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:36,690 good question. What are the best ways to send money and a note if 1624 01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:40,800 you want to avoid Pay Pal fees? Would this method also apply for 1625 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,790 donations by cheque? So the best way is just drop a check in the 1626 01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:52,830 mail with a note box 339 l servido. California 94530. I'll 1627 01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:58,830 repeat it. Box 339 l Cirino. California 94530 And then you 1628 01:39:58,830 --> 01:40:03,750 could put it you put it You know, send some, some bottle of 1629 01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:06,330 wine. No, I don't do that they Well, you can if you know how 1630 01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:11,400 you do it, but most people it caught the night levels well go 1631 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:23,790 to divorce.org/peerage.htm which amuses Adam. No, no, 1632 01:40:23,790 --> 01:40:27,840 no, it does Yes. And except it needs to be kept htm. 1633 01:40:28,290 --> 01:40:29,370 No, it doesn't. 1634 01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:31,110 It's not the way 1635 01:40:31,110 --> 01:40:33,660 I have it done i don't i the cache may actually destroy it, 1636 01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:37,140 it might not work. Oh, here's here's a good one. This one I 1637 01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:37,740 sent you. 1638 01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:42,240 You gotta do you want to explain it? Or is it? Is it all evident 1639 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,200 on that one page? 1640 01:40:43,290 --> 01:40:46,200 The thing is on that one pages, you've got all the levels, the 1641 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:47,340 levels, the executive 1642 01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:50,970 producers, associate director producers and below 50s. I don't 1643 01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:51,270 think that's 1644 01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:56,940 that's not what that's okay. Devorah Dvorak, that org slash 1645 01:40:56,940 --> 01:40:59,460 and a explains a little bit of the Executive Associate 1646 01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,760 Executive Producer, producer stuff, but what we have is at 1647 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,580 200 bucks, you get into Associate Executive Producer at 1648 01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:09,930 300, or 333 is what it's supposed to be. You get a an 1649 01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:12,450 executive producer ship, and then you can write a note and we 1650 01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:17,430 read the note. And you get to use that on your LinkedIn. 1651 01:41:17,490 --> 01:41:19,800 That's the most that's the most important elsewhere. I mean, 1652 01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,040 this fish is a real, it's a real, it's a real knighthood 1653 01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:27,150 thing is a little more symbolic. But you go yourself, sir, 1654 01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:30,360 you're no less symbolic than the British Queen gives out. That's 1655 01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:30,720 what I 1656 01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,410 like thinking. That's my thing is no less than Bollington a 1657 01:41:34,410 --> 01:41:37,290 knighthood from the British Empire. Right. 1658 01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:42,120 With our knighthood, you get a cool ring and sealing wax. And 1659 01:41:42,419 --> 01:41:45,029 yeah, they don't give you nothing. Oh, they gave you 1660 01:41:45,029 --> 01:41:47,489 something to hang around your neck. Like you're gonna wear 1661 01:41:47,489 --> 01:41:48,299 that anywhere. 1662 01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:53,760 The ring now that's a usable object. Yeah. Here's the 1663 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:59,100 question. Who is that dude void? Zero. You guys keep talking 1664 01:41:59,100 --> 01:41:59,490 about 1665 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,060 dude, void? Zero? Yeah. Good question guy. 1666 01:42:05,790 --> 01:42:09,660 It became very, when I was in Los Angeles, and now we're 1667 01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:15,780 talking 2013, I think it became very expensive and very tedious 1668 01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:19,080 to manage the amount of downloads that were being 1669 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:23,970 performed on our shows. And in I would say expense was really the 1670 01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:28,890 number one thing like holy crap, and get most leave and Mr. Oil 1671 01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:33,000 set up an infrastructure for us. And they found this, I think 1672 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,960 it's called Oh, VH a really cost effective way to set up kind of 1673 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:42,060 your own content distribution network. And they were they were 1674 01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:45,720 using that for their own stuff. And they were hosting us. And 1675 01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:50,610 over time, they went on to do some other things. And then 1676 01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:55,710 voyage zero mark, who lives in cloning in the Netherlands. He 1677 01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:58,500 was already kind of a part of the crew. And he said, Well, you 1678 01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:00,870 know, I'd really like to take this over. And I really like to 1679 01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,140 set it up properly and get all the right things and all the 1680 01:43:04,140 --> 01:43:07,560 right redundancy. And then here's, here's what it'll cost. 1681 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,420 And we looked at it, we were like, holy crap, that's very 1682 01:43:09,420 --> 01:43:13,320 cool. You want to do that. And that didn't fit it fit within 1683 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,580 the budget of the show. And he's been doing that and now he's had 1684 01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:19,530 a couple other people come in and out and help them throughout 1685 01:43:19,530 --> 01:43:24,060 the year sir. bemrose. Is, is helping Erina is helping. This 1686 01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:27,780 is a lot of professionals. These are weapons grade IT 1687 01:43:27,780 --> 01:43:30,750 professionals real dudes named Ben, and right. 1688 01:43:31,950 --> 01:43:34,500 Gonna say this, we have to remember that when we started 1689 01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,130 this show, we were doing this for we're doing it on the me vio 1690 01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:42,390 server infrastructure. And so it wasn't costing us anything. And 1691 01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:45,240 it was but that didn't last forever. I could the company is 1692 01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,360 not even there anymore. And that's when we had to start 1693 01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:52,140 making these changes that Adam took care of most of it with his 1694 01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:57,480 suave, debonair way of way of moving these things around. Good 1695 01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:57,990 work, Adam. 1696 01:43:58,019 --> 01:44:00,749 Yeah. Thanks, John. And I should point out that John does 1697 01:44:00,779 --> 01:44:03,689 everything else when it comes to administration of the show and 1698 01:44:03,689 --> 01:44:06,329 Eric the shill and Mimi, we need to mention these, 1699 01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:09,510 these good folks at buzzkill Junior working for us. Right? 1700 01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:13,380 That's right until he said, screw this. I can make real 1701 01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:15,600 money coding JavaScript, what am I doing? 1702 01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,730 So we have a question that applies to Adam. I think it's an 1703 01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:25,320 interesting one. This is from David bush. Why does Adam say he 1704 01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,560 has Tourette's? I've never heard any evidence of it. 1705 01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:35,160 Tourette's comes in many forms my friend. Now I do have a mute 1706 01:44:35,250 --> 01:44:40,530 pedal. Specifically for this reason, which I acquired only in 1707 01:44:40,530 --> 01:44:44,850 the last two years, I think. And that was during a sniffing 1708 01:44:44,850 --> 01:44:49,230 episode. Yeah, where I just had this incessant need just talking 1709 01:44:49,230 --> 01:44:51,600 about it makes me want to do it. So I'm going to try and not do 1710 01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,960 that. 1711 01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:55,710 I can assure you has Tourette's. 1712 01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:59,310 Yeah, but it's mainly tics. It's mainly tastes, tics. 1713 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,620 Most People that have tics have Tourette's, 1714 01:45:01,650 --> 01:45:06,960 but often it manifests his way in itself in very interesting 1715 01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,770 ways. Thank God for the mute pedal. Let me just tell you 1716 01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:16,080 that. But I can control it to some degree. Certainly the 1717 01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:19,980 guttural stuff I got that I can. That's why I never want to do 1718 01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:22,980 television. I hate television, because that's I can't do it 1719 01:45:22,980 --> 01:45:25,860 anymore. I can't even keep my head still. As horrible. 1720 01:45:27,060 --> 01:45:29,820 As the second question, what is M five M? 1721 01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:36,810 Well, I think this stems from it may stem from a whole 1722 01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:41,370 conversation about the boob donation being 808, and hex, or 1723 01:45:41,670 --> 01:45:46,110 we're use a one instead of an eye and a three instead of an E 1724 01:45:46,110 --> 01:45:50,700 and you use a five instead of an S. So it's mainstream media. 1725 01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:54,270 Yes, M S, M, or M five M, which has now become our thing and 1726 01:45:54,270 --> 01:45:56,190 never really caught on surprisingly. 1727 01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:02,430 Yes, people use it constantly. Why can't you guys say SIS 1728 01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:10,350 admin. Isn't that dude named Ben thing played out? Wow. I have no 1729 01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:12,030 idea what he's trying to get out there. 1730 01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:18,810 Well, maybe. I see. I just had to I had that clip dude named 1731 01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:23,160 Ben. From because it came from the Senate, didn't it? 1732 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,540 Yes, it came from the Senate with I think was Chafee. 1733 01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,080 I think this is it. It's a jingle 1734 01:46:31,980 --> 01:46:34,920 was Chaffee grilling somebody and she couldn't come up with an 1735 01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,390 answer. And she says, it's some dude named Guy named Ben. And he 1736 01:46:39,390 --> 01:46:39,600 said, 1737 01:46:40,350 --> 01:46:43,110 he actually said it. It was somebody named Ben. And then he 1738 01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:45,000 said, Why do some dude named Ben? 1739 01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:47,400 Yes, that's right. That's exactly what he did. What was 1740 01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:47,640 her it 1741 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,960 was her name from it was learner. Wasn't loading center. 1742 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,480 Yeah, I think she's the one that said it wasn't it maybe 1743 01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,110 could have been that's when all the all the day all the data tax 1744 01:46:58,110 --> 01:47:02,910 data disappeared or something. You know that she shouldn't be 1745 01:47:02,910 --> 01:47:07,470 in jail. Why does Adam shout to the opening of the show? 1746 01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,110 Oh, well, that's all part of it. I mean, don't you here with 1747 01:47:10,110 --> 01:47:13,680 this. It's a weenie in the butt moment. And I'm not really 1748 01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,460 shouting, I'm tall. I'm jacked up. Yeah. jacked up. And I'm 1749 01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:20,760 also timing and I'm back timing what I'm saying into the so that 1750 01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,120 it fits in the in the jingle. And I'm wanting to have a good 1751 01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,580 cue for John so that he knows that you can come in and do his 1752 01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:31,680 Zephyr thing or whatever it is. There's ever went by? Yeah, if 1753 01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,360 it bothers you, fast forward. 1754 01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:38,040 John Tucker's as you said, the word ice though quite a bit. 1755 01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:39,510 What is an ISO? 1756 01:47:39,810 --> 01:47:42,210 Another great question. A good question. Not a great question. 1757 01:47:42,210 --> 01:47:44,880 A good question. I so 1758 01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:49,050 I so yeah, I've seen it once before. But yeah, he's isolated. 1759 01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:49,800 But isolated. 1760 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:54,420 Yeah. Typically, an ISO in broadcast is either a microphone 1761 01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:58,440 or a camera, which is recording separately from the main signal 1762 01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:01,860 from the main program, so that you can later take bits out of 1763 01:48:01,860 --> 01:48:06,450 that and use that separately and ISO ISO just a abbreviation of 1764 01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:09,330 isolated? Yeah. 1765 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:15,060 Just from Charles Charles couch. How many hours a day or week do 1766 01:48:15,060 --> 01:48:18,990 you guys spend watching news or other M five M? There you go. M 1767 01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:21,270 five M broadcasts. All right, you 1768 01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:21,930 go first. 1769 01:48:23,490 --> 01:48:26,100 Well, add this to it. So we can answer both at the same time 1770 01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:28,950 other than M five M what sources do you guys use most frequently 1771 01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:31,860 for research, including public commentary or public sentiment? 1772 01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:40,110 All right, I'll go first. We all I watch television, mostly to 1773 01:48:40,110 --> 01:48:43,200 get content, which annoys everybody in the family when 1774 01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:47,370 they want to watch something else. Luckily, nobody likes TV. 1775 01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,200 Probably, I don't know, three or four hours a day every day, at 1776 01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:55,680 least sometimes longer. If I get caught up in something on C 1777 01:48:55,680 --> 01:49:00,780 span, which is where you can get caught up in something. I'm 1778 01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:03,390 guessing it's about right three or four hours a day. And then 1779 01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:05,490 I'll pick up stuff from the internet to woods because 1780 01:49:05,490 --> 01:49:09,330 there's a lot of plays that just play for all practical purposes. 1781 01:49:09,330 --> 01:49:10,740 Play clips, right. 1782 01:49:11,790 --> 01:49:16,770 I watched much less television than you do, I think. But I have 1783 01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:20,550 all day the entire day. I'm either listening to I'm 1784 01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:29,940 switching between CNBC CNN, Fox, Fox Business, MSNBC, rarely do I 1785 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,430 listen, that's just listening. I'm just listening to it and 1786 01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:35,190 I'll pick stuff up. And I know that I can then go back later 1787 01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:38,550 and find find it online, which is where I have a whole system 1788 01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:44,880 for recording clips, which is pretty easy. I subscribe to I 1789 01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:52,140 think last count probably 4200 RSS feeds, which I've built up 1790 01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:55,230 throughout the years and it's all in proprietary Well, it's an 1791 01:49:55,230 --> 01:49:58,680 open source proprietary system, the freedom controller, and 1792 01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:01,440 that's all part of the show. notes, which, you know, really, 1793 01:50:01,470 --> 01:50:05,580 it flows very nicely. So stories are not only aggregated, but if 1794 01:50:05,580 --> 01:50:08,580 I want to keep that story and put it into the show notes or 1795 01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:14,040 use it for the show, then it creates an offline version. And 1796 01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,970 there's a whole bunch of cool things about it. Then on show 1797 01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:24,180 days, I subscribe to a number of YouTube channels. And I'll look 1798 01:50:24,180 --> 01:50:27,300 at those and see if there's anything there that I like. or 1799 01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:30,240 something that I made a note about. I'm continuously sending 1800 01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,060 notes to myself and email that I've tried many other ways, but 1801 01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:35,550 just works best for me, I just send a note to myself in email, 1802 01:50:35,550 --> 01:50:38,460 because I can do it anywhere I am any device, it's I can do it. 1803 01:50:39,150 --> 01:50:41,850 And then you know, so the morning of the show, I'm up 1804 01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:47,730 probably quarter six, my time. And I'll start collecting all 1805 01:50:47,730 --> 01:50:51,480 those, seeing what those stories were about. Maybe I've already 1806 01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:55,410 written some stuff down. But also, I get so much from the 1807 01:50:55,410 --> 01:51:00,090 producers. I mean, there's a lot that comes in. And a lot of it 1808 01:51:00,090 --> 01:51:03,270 is unusable. But still, someone sends me something, I'm gonna go 1809 01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:06,900 take a look at it. So there's a lot that I get from there. So 1810 01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:09,750 I'm really consumed by it all the time. And then Tina, the 1811 01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:12,900 keeper, she comes home and she's got things that I haven't even 1812 01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:16,110 heard of. She's got a whole different source of stuff. And 1813 01:51:16,110 --> 01:51:20,730 she's feeding me articles. It's a lifestyle. It's not, it's not, 1814 01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,780 to me, it's not like number of hours. It's what I do. It's all 1815 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:25,380 the time. 1816 01:51:26,099 --> 01:51:30,869 Sure. Charles finishes up with this. Last question is a group 1817 01:51:30,869 --> 01:51:35,429 of mirror. What should I buy my wife for Christmas? Day mode? 1818 01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:36,720 Of course. That's odd. Yes, of 1819 01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:43,740 course. Byron, Dane. You go get another question. We get a lot 1820 01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:46,200 of people wondered about the M five M thing. Interesting, 1821 01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:46,980 interesting, interesting. 1822 01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:50,310 And yet it's so well adopted, but so many. They're just doing 1823 01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:52,260 it. Yeah, whatever. Those guys are doing it. 1824 01:51:52,469 --> 01:51:55,259 And you got What does double nickels on the dime mean, and 1825 01:51:55,259 --> 01:51:59,099 what's its origin? My impression is that it's an amount of money, 1826 01:51:59,189 --> 01:52:02,339 but I could never come up with the actual value it represents. 1827 01:52:03,539 --> 01:52:07,199 All right. Well, that was a one of our again, one of our 1828 01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:07,979 producers 1829 01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:12,630 was I believe this to be Sergeant Fred Castaneda. Okay, 1830 01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:17,730 Sergeant Fred, who I emailed with just the other day, because 1831 01:52:17,730 --> 01:52:19,980 I hadn't heard from on the show. And he was sick for a really 1832 01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:23,400 long time. He was a Vietnam vet, and all kinds of Agent Orange 1833 01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:27,270 related issues that his mom wasn't doing. It's all kinds of 1834 01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:30,900 crap going on his life. But I think he started off. In fact, 1835 01:52:30,900 --> 01:52:36,120 he often would show up if I was somewhere in Texas, even not 1836 01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,030 just Austin. But you know, I think we were in Dallas, and he 1837 01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:42,630 showed up and he would have double nickels on the dime. And 1838 01:52:42,630 --> 01:52:51,120 that's $55.10. And he would have $55 in in paper, and then 10 1839 01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:57,090 cents taped to it scotch taped. And I mean, other than that, and 1840 01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:01,500 some other ones aren't there some other ones. There's double 1841 01:53:01,500 --> 01:53:02,400 nickels on the dime. 1842 01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:05,190 Well, besides boobs and small boobs, there was a lot of things 1843 01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:07,770 that did but none of them really caught on like double nickels on 1844 01:53:07,770 --> 01:53:11,940 the dime. I mean, there's yeah, there's probably about 20 of 1845 01:53:11,940 --> 01:53:13,200 them. But that's the only one there were 1846 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,480 even I mean, there was something that was comparable to like 1847 01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:16,470 double nickels. 1848 01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:18,810 Yeah, I know. 1849 01:53:19,260 --> 01:53:24,270 Again, this is stuff to me is magical. When people come up 1850 01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:29,430 with these ideas numerology is I'm, in my later life, I've 1851 01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:33,360 become somewhat obsessed with numerology and mathematics. And 1852 01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,900 the stuff that catches on with people. It's, it's something 1853 01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,650 profound. I don't know exactly how it works. But people really 1854 01:53:40,650 --> 01:53:43,560 like certain numbers that feels good. They're drawn to them. 1855 01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,690 Yeah, we had a long streak, but 6969 1856 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,380 Yeah, what am we and we stopped. Why did we stopped when we 1857 01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:53,160 didn't have one? 1858 01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:56,160 We said, yeah, no, the idea was we're gonna go as long as we 1859 01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,880 can. And then finally, the woman who came up with the idea Carrie 1860 01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:05,640 Shern. overboard. She went overboard, and we haven't heard 1861 01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,460 from her and she but she's the one who came up with the idea. 1862 01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:10,590 Because she was setting 1863 01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:13,350 she was doing she was doing a marathon and 1864 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:17,220 she had no agenda stitch to her ass. And 1865 01:54:17,340 --> 01:54:18,600 sometimes I miss her 1866 01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,350 shape to she's just perfect. Yes. And she came up with this 1867 01:54:22,350 --> 01:54:25,290 idea. And then we said, well, we just keep doing we play the 1868 01:54:25,290 --> 01:54:29,400 jingle or intro is like a segment. Yeah. And until until 1869 01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:33,720 nobody gave him one day. About a year into it took about a year. 1870 01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:38,550 Nobody gave 6969 They tried to restart it, but we refused. And 1871 01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,590 now that was done is dead. It's over. It's gone. Yeah, not to be 1872 01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:44,370 resurrected. 1873 01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:49,980 Dale asks, he just wants to know what mic you're using and 1874 01:54:49,980 --> 01:54:50,910 headphones. 1875 01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,540 Well, we know your headphones. How about your mic? 1876 01:54:55,530 --> 01:54:58,680 I'm using a right now. I use a bunch of mics. I've changed 1877 01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:06,210 mics. I Like the, the Heil PR 40 Generally speaking, but right 1878 01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:10,800 now I'm using a condenser mic. That is a I think it's a CA D 1879 01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:15,930 CAD. And I think the model is the 9000 or the 3000. Which is 1880 01:55:16,260 --> 01:55:17,340 the Chinese mic. 1881 01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:20,610 Yep. You know, but you're you're really into microphones and 1882 01:55:20,610 --> 01:55:24,480 building your own microphones and getting elements from China 1883 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:25,500 and doing stuff. 1884 01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:30,390 Yeah, well, I'm not that nuts. But yeah, I have a collection 1885 01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:32,550 and it's not a big collection. I have it. I know. I'm friend of 1886 01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:36,510 mine. He used to work at Tech TV as a real mic collector. And 1887 01:55:36,510 --> 01:55:40,080 he's got everything imaginable. It's just like, he's gotten the 1888 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,340 lemons and all the Sennheiser old ones from the 40s I kind of 1889 01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:46,320 think nice ribbon mics. 1890 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:53,250 So I'm using the electro voice. R e 320. Which I'd like to tell 1891 01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:57,900 you really using the road I was using the RODE Procaster until 1892 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,360 gene surging the Duke of Texas he said you know try this mic 1893 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,470 out, and I never gave it back to him. I said screw that. I bought 1894 01:56:07,470 --> 01:56:09,870 a new one. And since I didn't really I didn't want to risk 1895 01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,510 buying the same model but in sounding different. 1896 01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:16,590 What is what is jeans? What was it Evie? What 1897 01:56:17,370 --> 01:56:21,780 it's the it's electro voice isn't it? Yeah. Electro voice. 1898 01:56:21,810 --> 01:56:29,550 Yeah, but it's the RT Romeo echo. 320. Now headphones. I'm 1899 01:56:29,550 --> 01:56:33,720 very particular about my headphones. Because I've been 1900 01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:37,770 wearing headphones. I think I've been wearing headphones since I 1901 01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:43,830 was 14. And looking at my volume knob. I have about half a notch 1902 01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:49,740 left. This is not a good thing by the way. No, that's not a 1903 01:56:49,740 --> 01:56:55,140 good movie. I used to be real poor I want over the year. I 1904 01:56:55,140 --> 01:56:59,430 want them to close I want them to fit snugly I want you can't 1905 01:56:59,430 --> 01:57:03,780 have anything leaking. Because see I can put my cans. These 1906 01:57:03,780 --> 01:57:08,820 aren't that big actually this is the Sony MDR 7506 professional 1907 01:57:09,540 --> 01:57:12,660 and from time to time you can get a deal through Amazon 1908 01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:18,780 they'll sell them for like 90 bucks or something I have three 1909 01:57:18,780 --> 01:57:21,510 pairs of them. I do wear them out after a while 1910 01:57:23,700 --> 01:57:24,960 but do your ears sweat 1911 01:57:25,980 --> 01:57:30,510 know the cables get all frayed and and yeah, they got a lot of 1912 01:57:30,510 --> 01:57:33,600 use. They're on they're off. They're hanging in the fall and 1913 01:57:33,930 --> 01:57:37,500 eventually they they do break after a while but you wanted to 1914 01:57:37,500 --> 01:57:41,190 get the it's the 75 or six professional. Anything else is 1915 01:57:41,190 --> 01:57:44,010 not a good reference or they have too much low end and you 1916 01:57:44,010 --> 01:57:46,770 can get fooled by that. If you really care. 1917 01:57:47,970 --> 01:57:53,760 Tim Kilkenny he says I'm familiar with Mike Singletary is 1918 01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,960 a legendary rant about hitting people in the mouse, but never 1919 01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,290 figured out how it became the official formula for the show. 1920 01:58:01,890 --> 01:58:05,760 I've been listening since 2013. I've never heard the original of 1921 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,930 the of this rage. Praise mentioned. Thanks for all you 1922 01:58:09,930 --> 01:58:11,490 do. I was this is one of those. 1923 01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:19,920 I'll play this just so so you can hear it. Our formula is 1924 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:28,530 this. We go out with people in the mouth. I'm pretty sure 1925 01:58:28,530 --> 01:58:31,680 someone sent that to me pre mixed like that. And I had no 1926 01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,240 idea what it was. I sent it 1927 01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,180 to you. Are you sure you sent it to me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because 1928 01:58:36,180 --> 01:58:39,390 it was one of my favorite. It was a because I they played it 1929 01:58:39,390 --> 01:58:40,560 as a local commercial. 1930 01:58:41,309 --> 01:58:43,799 I remember you telling me what it was about. I didn't realize 1931 01:58:43,799 --> 01:58:46,409 you had sent it to me. So there's a lot there's a lot of 1932 01:58:46,409 --> 01:58:47,399 stuff we don't remember. 1933 01:58:48,210 --> 01:58:50,610 Well, this is a local commercial, they played here to 1934 01:58:50,610 --> 01:58:53,970 get fan just for the 40 Niners to go to the games during single 1935 01:58:53,970 --> 01:58:59,130 Terry's era when he was the coach. And what had happened is 1936 01:58:59,130 --> 01:59:02,550 I sent it to you and then we played it once we ended that and 1937 01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:05,100 that's kind of what evolved I think the hitting in the mouth 1938 01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:09,060 and then for some reason I'm not sure why but you adopted it. You 1939 01:59:09,150 --> 01:59:13,050 took it and started playing it every show at that one moment 1940 01:59:13,050 --> 01:59:16,770 like it like one of your superstitious moments. Well, 1941 01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:22,860 then, yeah. And then you added out of the blue. You added the 1942 01:59:22,890 --> 01:59:26,130 the kicker there's a kicker on that thing now. 1943 01:59:36,270 --> 01:59:40,260 And here's the nutty thing. So these are two clips. And I 1944 01:59:40,260 --> 01:59:45,600 always play them the same way. And logic would dictate that I 1945 01:59:45,630 --> 01:59:49,950 kind of mix that into one clip. I've just been doing that for so 1946 01:59:49,950 --> 01:59:56,520 long. I started one Yeah. And usually I play well. In between 1947 01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:57,960 the little dip there at the end. 1948 01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:03,030 Well this A particular combination of another thing you 1949 02:00:03,030 --> 02:00:06,720 did and just stayed with it I never said anything one way or 1950 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:12,540 the other I like it. But the it just did those two clips 1951 02:00:12,540 --> 02:00:15,690 together was actually a moment of genius because they really 1952 02:00:15,690 --> 02:00:20,640 sound like a clip. Yeah. Like a whole thing. It's not like two 1953 02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,640 things that you've combined because it's got the same tone 1954 02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:28,260 to it. And just stuck. And I it was. I can tell you 1955 02:00:28,290 --> 02:00:31,410 approximately when this came to be because it was last season of 1956 02:00:31,410 --> 02:00:37,710 Mike Singletary in San Francisco and by doing a quick search of 1957 02:00:37,740 --> 02:00:41,670 my mike Singletary. Like Singletary. 1958 02:00:45,810 --> 02:00:48,240 I have no idea who Mike single Oh, he's the coach. 1959 02:00:48,750 --> 02:00:53,250 Yeah, he's the coach. He's a tough guy. Tough guy. Tough guy. 1960 02:00:53,310 --> 02:00:56,610 And he was with the Niners from let's use them looking at his 1961 02:00:56,610 --> 02:01:03,120 wiki page. Career history, San Francisco 40 Niners from 2000 1962 02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:07,020 Not always the head coach from nine to teach was there for two 1963 02:01:07,020 --> 02:01:11,880 seasons. At door three, nine? No, it's just nine and 10. So he 1964 02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:15,510 just had to be done probably in that era of show 100. 1965 02:01:16,019 --> 02:01:17,339 Really not long ago. 1966 02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,130 It's long time ago. That's why you don't remember any of it. 1967 02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:25,650 Because it was really just too long ago. I was he was your bank 1968 02:01:25,650 --> 02:01:33,750 to this thing. That's what was going on. So he was he was, you 1969 02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:36,960 know, he didn't do it. He was a lousy coach. But he was a great 1970 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:40,380 recruiter. He they put together this fabulous team that when the 1971 02:01:40,380 --> 02:01:44,250 next coach came along, they could do you know, they had all 1972 02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:46,290 these great players, so it didn't take much. And then of 1973 02:01:46,290 --> 02:01:49,230 course, I've noticed this in football and sports and 1974 02:01:49,230 --> 02:01:53,640 business. You can put together a great team, but you can't manage 1975 02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:56,070 it well. But the next guy that comes along because you're such 1976 02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:59,010 a lousy manager, everyone looks up to the new guy, right? And 1977 02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:01,410 but he's got all this stuff in front of him because he's again, 1978 02:02:01,410 --> 02:02:05,610 just kick ass. And when the new guy starts putting his guys in, 1979 02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:09,180 the team falls apart again. I've seen this over and over and over 1980 02:02:09,180 --> 02:02:12,600 again is what happened to the 40. Niners right. Anyway. Yeah, 1981 02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:16,650 so that's been around a 1982 02:02:16,679 --> 02:02:21,689 question. Have you ever had any interesting theories regarding 1983 02:02:21,689 --> 02:02:25,709 space over the years asks smile for camera on Twitter? 1984 02:02:28,230 --> 02:02:31,860 Space? Yeah. Like what? Well, 1985 02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:38,190 there's Moon bases Israeli one stone, space. Wow. Okay. And 1986 02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:42,480 space. I'm a big fan of a big fan of the space elevator. 1987 02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:44,580 Yeah, that's a good one. 1988 02:02:45,509 --> 02:02:49,979 We don't do that too much anymore. Now. Yeah. We don't 1989 02:02:49,979 --> 02:02:52,619 have time for his jokey. We don't have time for it, even 1990 02:02:52,619 --> 02:02:56,519 though I truly know about the Israeli Moon bases. 1991 02:02:58,350 --> 02:03:02,400 Yeah. To the point that you were denying that there was Railay 1992 02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,710 for a while until somebody finally caught the clip. 1993 02:03:05,220 --> 02:03:08,760 I'd forgotten. Yes, but they are Israeli. Yeah. 1994 02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:15,540 Another here's another question, but f m 5am. I think it is. 1995 02:03:15,780 --> 02:03:19,140 John, where's your keyboard? Great question. I think I 1996 02:03:19,140 --> 02:03:22,980 figured out my own already. This says Dave Duncan, but you you've 1997 02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:26,850 been saying in J and K a lot after donation notes. Okay. And 1998 02:03:26,850 --> 02:03:29,310 I had no idea what this one there is. You probably should 1999 02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:32,730 listen to the donation segment. Yes. Because there's a lot of 2000 02:03:32,730 --> 02:03:37,620 stuff that shows up in there that becomes lydney Based on the 2001 02:03:37,620 --> 02:03:39,570 hours of content. I think I figured out what it means. No 2002 02:03:39,570 --> 02:03:42,960 jingles no comm karma? Yes. Maybe I missed the introduction 2003 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:48,120 of that abbreviation. says maybe we should put a glossary 2004 02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:48,540 together. 2005 02:03:48,570 --> 02:03:53,220 What's interesting is no one has asked about the origin of karma. 2006 02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:56,820 They haven't. 2007 02:03:57,570 --> 02:04:00,180 I'm gonna ask you right. Now. When did we start doing that? 2008 02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:08,940 Well, that wasn't us. Again, this was a suggestion by we, I 2009 02:04:08,940 --> 02:04:13,770 think somebody suggested it or are we? This one that I have to 2010 02:04:13,770 --> 02:04:16,350 research again? I'd be this will be in the next show, I guess. 2011 02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:19,680 Okay, one of the not the next show we're doing in this linear 2012 02:04:19,770 --> 02:04:24,120 algebra, the next version of 200 point x. Yes. I do remember 2013 02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:27,510 this. It didn't really catch on until someone sent us the karma 2014 02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:28,980 jingle which is this. 2015 02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:32,760 You've got karma. 2016 02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,800 And there's a question about who's the voice in that thing? 2017 02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,820 And I think it's been revealed a couple of times, but we keep 2018 02:04:41,820 --> 02:04:43,620 forgetting Donnie. No, she does 2019 02:04:43,650 --> 02:04:47,610 the show. I don't think so I forgotten to remember 2020 02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:52,830 and and that jingle seems to have some magical effect, 2021 02:04:53,310 --> 02:04:57,780 imagined or otherwise. And once it started, we started using it. 2022 02:04:57,780 --> 02:05:00,090 We started getting feedback there. I got a job just out Have 2023 02:05:00,090 --> 02:05:02,550 you played the jingle? And the next thing? You know, we're 2024 02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:03,930 doing it all the time. Yeah, no. 2025 02:05:03,930 --> 02:05:07,470 And then it was I need jobs, karma. And again, I don't know 2026 02:05:07,470 --> 02:05:09,000 where this show does jobs, 2027 02:05:09,150 --> 02:05:13,380 jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2028 02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:16,380 Word showed up. Well, I 2029 02:05:16,380 --> 02:05:17,910 started. Go ahead. 2030 02:05:18,059 --> 02:05:22,319 I developed that clip because we had play we had been ridiculing 2031 02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:26,039 Pelosi with his job, his job, his job, his thing, and I found 2032 02:05:26,039 --> 02:05:29,729 a clip of the little kid screaming yay. And I put it 2033 02:05:29,729 --> 02:05:32,609 together perfect. I thought it was hilarious. I still think 2034 02:05:32,609 --> 02:05:36,809 it's hilarious. It is funny, because it's just weird. And so 2035 02:05:36,809 --> 02:05:40,979 that began the jobs, then you attached it to jobs, karma, 2036 02:05:40,979 --> 02:05:43,559 because somebody, we were given karma away for all kinds of 2037 02:05:43,559 --> 02:05:47,909 stuff. But then you decided to make that special karma with a 2038 02:05:47,999 --> 02:05:50,969 with a jingle. And now we've got like three or four versions of 2039 02:05:50,969 --> 02:05:56,579 it. Yes. Testing. And very tough one, that's a tough one to get 2040 02:05:56,579 --> 02:05:57,299 to the bottom of. 2041 02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:01,530 But it does, as you said, imagined or not, it does seem to 2042 02:06:01,530 --> 02:06:04,590 do something for people, how many times we get a note saying 2043 02:06:04,620 --> 02:06:08,430 oh, I asked for jobs, karma got a job. And then we got the F 2044 02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:11,580 cancer karma, all this stuff. Now, I don't think you've cured 2045 02:06:11,610 --> 02:06:14,670 cancer, but it certainly makes people feel better. And I think 2046 02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:18,540 there is something about the power of people hearing 2047 02:06:18,540 --> 02:06:22,410 something and I don't know, there's there's something to it, 2048 02:06:22,710 --> 02:06:26,910 as you said imagined or not, I tend to err on the side of 2049 02:06:26,940 --> 02:06:28,320 there's something to it for real. 2050 02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:36,120 Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to argue the point. See what else 2051 02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:40,020 we got? Just, you know how much time we we probably out of time, 2052 02:06:40,020 --> 02:06:41,640 so we're not gonna get to a lot of this stuff. Let's 2053 02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:45,180 just do a couple more. Yeah, we are. We are getting up there. 2054 02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:50,100 We're done. Couple more. Okay. Let me try. Chris Cochran. See 2055 02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:55,320 if he's got anything. Just all he's got to do actually is more 2056 02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:59,130 of an interesting point about are the opens. Yes. Does 2057 02:06:59,130 --> 02:07:02,610 MailChimp count opens on an iPhone, they better? And they 2058 02:07:02,610 --> 02:07:05,640 do. Because most of that I think is like 70% of the people that 2059 02:07:06,060 --> 02:07:07,200 nowadays, you know, 2060 02:07:07,230 --> 02:07:11,520 that's nice. We didn't really talk about we didn't really talk 2061 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,890 about the newsletter, which is I think an important part of our 2062 02:07:13,890 --> 02:07:14,430 model. 2063 02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:17,190 Yeah, no one really asked about the news. I'm asking you 2064 02:07:17,190 --> 02:07:19,980 about the newsletter. It's it's something you do twice a week 2065 02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:23,820 with the it'll take a lot of effort. You don't just whip up a 2066 02:07:23,820 --> 02:07:27,900 newsletter. Sometimes I do. No, you don't. 2067 02:07:28,650 --> 02:07:32,520 But the newsletter it came about because 2068 02:07:33,420 --> 02:07:35,850 well, it's important that we need to remind people what's 2069 02:07:35,850 --> 02:07:37,770 coming up, we got to show and, 2070 02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:42,120 and I mentioned something that the other podcasters don't ever 2071 02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:49,320 think about this for you guys. You're invested in your podcast, 2072 02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:51,270 you're doing it daily, you're doing it weekly, whatever you're 2073 02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:56,430 doing, occasionally, nobody else but you is thinking about this 2074 02:07:56,430 --> 02:08:00,900 podcast, they will forget about it, they may enjoy the podcast, 2075 02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:03,780 you may think it's fabulous. They may send you money, they 2076 02:08:03,780 --> 02:08:07,140 may buy products, they may use your codes, but they're not 2077 02:08:07,230 --> 02:08:10,290 thinking about it. They're not like when Tuesday morning comes 2078 02:08:10,290 --> 02:08:14,700 around in Europe, your podcast is not on their mind. So they 2079 02:08:14,700 --> 02:08:18,540 really do need to be reminded that you exist. And not just 2080 02:08:18,540 --> 02:08:22,080 once in a while they have to be routinely reminded that you 2081 02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:26,820 exist. Now I knew this. But I didn't do the newsletter until I 2082 02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:29,610 don't know two or three or four years into the donations thing. 2083 02:08:29,610 --> 02:08:31,830 And I just started doing a once a week newsletter, I knew it 2084 02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:37,020 would it did Jack up donations. Not always but it did enough so 2085 02:08:37,020 --> 02:08:38,850 that you had to do the newsletter because once you see 2086 02:08:38,850 --> 02:08:42,300 the difference between the your income with the newsletter, 2087 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,310 without the newsletter, it's obvious you should have to do 2088 02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:46,290 this damn newsletter because people just don't want they're 2089 02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:49,530 not thinking about you as you're not the most important thing in 2090 02:08:49,530 --> 02:08:53,610 most people's lives. And then at the point at where I was was now 2091 02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:58,050 I felt I could do twice a week. And I know if I did a third 2092 02:08:58,050 --> 02:09:01,200 newsletter a week, you would probably help too. But that's 2093 02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:07,560 the reason is to keep people is keep you in their thoughts. It 2094 02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:08,760 has to be done. But like 2095 02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:11,340 everything we do, it's entertaining. You try to put 2096 02:09:11,340 --> 02:09:14,010 some of them nice spin too. I try to make it funny. You do 2097 02:09:14,010 --> 02:09:17,640 things that I don't think and I don't think any other broadcast 2098 02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:23,640 organization would put together a product like you do. 2099 02:09:25,980 --> 02:09:27,660 No, because he gets fired. 2100 02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:31,860 Yeah. Why is that? Why did people get fired over things 2101 02:09:31,860 --> 02:09:38,820 that are clearly successful? It's very puzzling to me. It's a 2102 02:09:38,820 --> 02:09:41,820 fact. It's the puritanical nature of broadcast. 2103 02:09:41,970 --> 02:09:44,160 No, it's the it's the incompetent nature of 2104 02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:47,460 broadcasting executives. There you go, is the execs you're 2105 02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:51,840 hired as suits, they're hired for a job and they you know, 2106 02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:54,870 everything reflects them. So something went styles with some 2107 02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:58,530 bad version of the newsletter. You know, some of you put the 2108 02:09:58,530 --> 02:10:01,320 wrong cuss word in there or something. as offensive or 2109 02:10:01,470 --> 02:10:03,150 somebody came back, they don't come back and 2110 02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:07,080 worse, the advertisers start complaining. 2111 02:10:07,590 --> 02:10:09,210 Yeah, well, that's what it always 2112 02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:13,230 is. That's what it is. We don't want to piss off the advertisers 2113 02:10:13,230 --> 02:10:17,070 who are God in mainstream and in all commercial 2114 02:10:18,210 --> 02:10:22,050 broadcast. Couple more quick questions. James abule. What are 2115 02:10:22,050 --> 02:10:27,150 the dude's name Ben? We thought everyone knew but it's a it's a 2116 02:10:27,180 --> 02:10:29,160 computer sis up sysadmin. 2117 02:10:29,519 --> 02:10:30,479 Here I got it. I 2118 02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,640 think this is the clip. It is the closest the Treasury 2119 02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:35,880 Department Inspector General has come to acknowledging potential 2120 02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:38,460 criminal wrongdoing and the lowest learner affair. 2121 02:10:38,610 --> 02:10:42,300 Are you investigating any potential criminal activity? The 2122 02:10:42,330 --> 02:10:45,150 entire matter continues to be under active investigation. Yes, 2123 02:10:45,150 --> 02:10:49,230 sir. For potential criminal activity. Yes. Event 2124 02:10:49,230 --> 02:10:52,170 revelation during a rare late night hearing in which the IG 2125 02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:55,710 disclosed his office has obtained a 32,000 Lois Lerner 2126 02:10:55,710 --> 02:10:59,400 emails from backup tapes stored at the IRS as Martinsburg, West 2127 02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:02,640 Virginia facility. IRS officials have maintained that the emails 2128 02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,490 were gone, destroyed in a hard drive crash. 2129 02:11:05,700 --> 02:11:08,490 I'm advised the actual hard drive after it was determined 2130 02:11:08,490 --> 02:11:11,400 that it was dysfunctional and that with experts no emails 2131 02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,610 could be retrieved was recycled and destroyed in the normal 2132 02:11:14,610 --> 02:11:15,360 process. Last 2133 02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,720 night's testimony suggests the IRS made a less than vigorous 2134 02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:21,570 attempt to track down the emails. And then when 2135 02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:24,420 you go talk to the IT people who are there in charge of them. 2136 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:28,440 They told you that they were never even asked for them. Is 2137 02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:29,970 that correct? That's correct. 2138 02:11:30,090 --> 02:11:32,850 Oh, crap. It's not on that clip. Gosh, 2139 02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,480 no, that's a totally different clip I never heard before. Oh, 2140 02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,420 man, I can't get learner's got something to learn or she's the 2141 02:11:39,420 --> 02:11:41,370 one who said that's what they had in the beginning of that 2142 02:11:41,370 --> 02:11:44,190 clip about learner. How this Yeah, the minute Kinder Well, 2143 02:11:44,190 --> 02:11:44,370 now 2144 02:11:44,370 --> 02:11:46,170 the missing clip? 2145 02:11:47,010 --> 02:11:50,880 Yeah, it's there. You got it somewhere. Let me get to Rebecca 2146 02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:54,930 sharpies question. What is the email situation? What is the 2147 02:11:54,930 --> 02:11:59,010 proper address to send emails to the no agenda show for donation 2148 02:11:59,010 --> 02:12:02,940 notes? Well, if it's a donation, it should be your note should be 2149 02:12:02,940 --> 02:12:07,890 in the Pay Pal. Box, which is offered to you after you click 2150 02:12:07,890 --> 02:12:11,430 on the button. You go to a second page and there's a box 2151 02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:16,080 there says or even on the first page, it says note to do vendor 2152 02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:17,280 or something like that. And more 2153 02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:21,540 important than this is best done on a computer. Because I think 2154 02:12:21,540 --> 02:12:24,570 there's a different experiences that pop up on mobile phones. 2155 02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:29,430 Maybe Sorry, I'm saying Yeah, maybe. But there's a box. 2156 02:12:30,330 --> 02:12:33,240 But she she also asked and did you just send it to no agenda 2157 02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:36,900 show@dvorak.org for anything else, but you could get lost. 2158 02:12:36,900 --> 02:12:39,690 That's the problem. Now, where do you send top secret 2159 02:12:39,690 --> 02:12:46,260 information? That is, far as I know, it's sent to Adams using 2160 02:12:46,260 --> 02:12:48,120 his PGP keys, right? 2161 02:12:48,180 --> 02:12:52,380 Pub key.curry.com. And that is and that works. And I'm very 2162 02:12:52,380 --> 02:12:58,200 careful with what people send me on my own email server and 2163 02:12:59,430 --> 02:13:02,730 anonymity is a short if you send it to me and specify that 2164 02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,020 he says the email situation is confusing, a confusing mess and 2165 02:13:10,020 --> 02:13:12,390 needs a formal guide. We'd need a formal guide for a lot of 2166 02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:15,360 stuff. I think the glossary would be another good example. 2167 02:13:15,690 --> 02:13:19,470 So people get a clue. I I'll tell you this. I've been working 2168 02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:26,310 on a fac o on FAQ for about a year. And I keep forgetting I'm 2169 02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:26,970 working on. 2170 02:13:30,450 --> 02:13:33,180 Okay, do you want me to put it on the list and remind you from 2171 02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:33,930 time to time? 2172 02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:37,290 And it might that'd be a bad idea. Okay, Jason rice, I 2173 02:13:37,290 --> 02:13:40,020 switched over to my own email server for your mailings and 2174 02:13:40,020 --> 02:13:44,970 haven't had an issue received since then. Oh, good. Yeah, 2175 02:13:44,970 --> 02:13:47,430 well, that means it's not working at all using some sort 2176 02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:51,420 of blocking or blacklist and we're on the list. I guess what? 2177 02:13:51,420 --> 02:13:51,510 I 2178 02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:55,470 wonder what he set up. Yeah. It's not working. Yeah, cuz 2179 02:13:55,470 --> 02:13:58,980 MailChimp. They they're pretty good. They have. They have all 2180 02:13:58,980 --> 02:14:02,370 the authority and they paid all the all the shysters. They're 2181 02:14:02,370 --> 02:14:05,910 vague to get delivered. So usually it should come in 2182 02:14:10,020 --> 02:14:13,260 Jim Buell says, Is there any reason you attach so much 2183 02:14:13,260 --> 02:14:15,360 significance to the number 33? 2184 02:14:16,740 --> 02:14:22,200 Good question. Yes. This goes back to what was the name of the 2185 02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:23,550 series Rubicon. 2186 02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:30,240 I think that's a good point. Yeah, maybe Rubicon was was part 2187 02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:33,690 of this rubric. Go ahead, which you can get by the way, I think 2188 02:14:33,690 --> 02:14:37,920 they bet they put it back up on amazon.com. Good. I would watch 2189 02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:43,230 this series. But what it does is it expresses this codes that 2190 02:14:43,230 --> 02:14:46,710 people use in the intelligence community is not to just 2191 02:14:46,710 --> 02:14:50,940 communicate, but the signals mostly signaling. And we believe 2192 02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:54,750 33 we've, we believe this for a long time. But in fact, we had a 2193 02:14:54,750 --> 02:14:58,200 segment on the show for a while we're adding would read from a 2194 02:14:58,770 --> 02:15:02,580 Google search almost on every show for about a, I don't know 2195 02:15:02,580 --> 02:15:06,180 about six months you do this, all the 33 references that are 2196 02:15:06,180 --> 02:15:09,660 in the news, which is still probably not a bad idea once in 2197 02:15:09,660 --> 02:15:17,490 a while. And that is your idea. And one of the things that we've 2198 02:15:17,490 --> 02:15:21,570 noticed is that 33 crops up in very strange places for very 2199 02:15:21,570 --> 02:15:22,620 strange reasons, 2200 02:15:22,890 --> 02:15:25,950 at least 33 killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo 2201 02:15:25,950 --> 02:15:32,670 freight train Justice League number 33. See, this goes on and 2202 02:15:32,670 --> 02:15:35,340 on. Yes, 30 threes everywhere. 2203 02:15:36,510 --> 02:15:40,050 And so we've decided that is signaling but we don't know what 2204 02:15:40,050 --> 02:15:44,040 it's signaling. We have ideas, when it might be signaling. We 2205 02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:45,960 don't know what but we do mention it. And we're 2206 02:15:45,960 --> 02:15:47,940 preoccupied with trying to figure this out. And it's 2207 02:15:47,970 --> 02:15:52,080 gotten, you know, it may be coincidental that the 33 level 2208 02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:55,170 Mason had something to do with it or somebody, but I think 2209 02:15:55,170 --> 02:15:58,740 that's mostly they just took that number for that reason. It 2210 02:15:58,740 --> 02:16:03,270 might be a nod to the Masons, I don't know, we don't know. 2211 02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,980 But it's but if you see it in a news report, it's you just start 2212 02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:14,670 noticing it. And it may also be just a cop out on journos part, 2213 02:16:14,730 --> 02:16:19,440 just like add a third 33, something like that. But it pops 2214 02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:23,310 up in all these official notices and stuff that often already 2215 02:16:23,310 --> 02:16:27,060 smells like bullcrap to us. Like, okay, there's a 33. Just 2216 02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:29,490 pay attention to it. That's all. Just pay attention. It's a 2217 02:16:29,490 --> 02:16:34,230 little signal, and you never know. Maybe have time for two 2218 02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:34,590 more. 2219 02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,590 Okay, two more would do two more and sorry for everyone else who 2220 02:16:37,590 --> 02:16:43,680 wrote in but I think you'd get your money's worth anyway. Well, 2221 02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:46,230 here's one. This is kind of inside baseball by Magewell. 2222 02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:51,870 Gonzalez Gonzalez. Next again, do you really have to sort 2223 02:16:51,870 --> 02:16:54,900 sounds for the night things? I always find it surprising that 2224 02:16:54,900 --> 02:17:00,000 John can find his keyboard. Or, but No, he can't face you'd say 2225 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:04,440 can't find his keyboard but finds his sword sound. There 2226 02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:08,220 this explained the producers ship is not really the same as 2227 02:17:08,220 --> 02:17:11,130 Hollywood, because producers never get the economic returns 2228 02:17:11,130 --> 02:17:15,210 from the show. If you know Hollywood 2229 02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:20,880 knows. The only thing we can't give you is you know hookers and 2230 02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:23,970 blow. Although those are if you're a knight, that's what you 2231 02:17:23,970 --> 02:17:29,550 get both producers chips. Now. Yeah, you said it. You said it 2232 02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:34,710 best. If you know how Hollywood works. But you are you're doing 2233 02:17:34,710 --> 02:17:39,000 this because you get value out of it. So the value you receive 2234 02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:40,470 is what you put into it. 2235 02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:46,680 Emilio Hernandez says what is the process for selecting jingle 2236 02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:52,380 worthy, jingle worthy jingles worthy for show debut? Can both 2237 02:17:52,380 --> 02:17:54,990 of you talk briefly about your background? So we did that 2238 02:17:54,990 --> 02:17:58,440 already? And how they helped you become the best podcasts? 2239 02:17:58,830 --> 02:18:01,590 podcaster for the best podcast in the universe, I think we'd 2240 02:18:01,590 --> 02:18:04,710 discuss a little bit of that. But what about the process for 2241 02:18:04,740 --> 02:18:07,980 selecting jingles? I'm not sure what he's asking. Well, like if 2242 02:18:07,980 --> 02:18:11,010 he had a jingly that he put together oh, here's the here's 2243 02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:11,160 how 2244 02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:14,370 it works. You send it I listen to it. If it's shit, I'll say 2245 02:18:14,370 --> 02:18:19,800 thanks. It might use it might not if I think it can be fixed. 2246 02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:26,130 I'll give you feedback. That's pretty much it. It's yeah, it's 2247 02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:28,560 probably used about half the jingles were sent. Did you think 2248 02:18:28,560 --> 02:18:29,610 that's a good number? 2249 02:18:30,270 --> 02:18:32,490 No more than that. I'd say more. 2250 02:18:33,570 --> 02:18:39,540 Okay, he wants to do some jingles. That's my guess. But 2251 02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:43,050 just do a few because it's like the art. Okay, well takes a 2252 02:18:43,050 --> 02:18:54,660 while to get the hang of it. Cliff factcheck false bullshit 2253 02:19:03,870 --> 02:19:11,970 that's one mother. I'd like to shadow to the gate to the gate 2254 02:19:11,970 --> 02:19:30,690 to the clinic Noma training sciences 2255 02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:37,470 there's just a little smorgasbord of variety that you 2256 02:19:37,470 --> 02:19:39,600 could pursue. 2257 02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,830 And I have one last question. I'll just read this one. Where 2258 02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:48,960 in the world is Victoria Nudelman. Kagan mathway. 2259 02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:49,920 We have that one. 2260 02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:55,110 We don't know where she is. Yeah, we think she's retired. 2261 02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:58,230 Now she's doing Look she's up to no good 2262 02:19:59,820 --> 02:20:01,860 yeah, Victoria Kagan Nudelman 2263 02:20:08,519 --> 02:20:16,049 All right. I think that'll do it. Well, that was time worthy. 2264 02:20:16,649 --> 02:20:17,369 walk down 2265 02:20:17,370 --> 02:20:21,660 memory lane. Yeah. It's kind of odd. It's kind of odd. 2266 02:20:21,690 --> 02:20:26,760 Yeah. Well, we we will be back to deconstructing very soon. We 2267 02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,340 have another special show, which will not be like this one coming 2268 02:20:29,340 --> 02:20:36,150 up. And then we blast off until the end of the year. God knows 2269 02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:36,840 what's going to happen. 2270 02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:43,830 Not only reminder divorce.org/in A Yes, continue your support, 2271 02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:44,280 please. 2272 02:20:47,250 --> 02:20:50,940 And have a happy Thanksgiving. What's left of it? And I know 2273 02:20:50,940 --> 02:20:52,920 you're celebrating because you're certainly not listen to 2274 02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:58,260 this. That's what this podcast is for. Listen later. All right, 2275 02:20:58,290 --> 02:21:02,970 coming to you with the special show X here in downtown Austin 2276 02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:07,470 Tejas capital, the drone Star State. Still FEMA Region six on 2277 02:21:07,470 --> 02:21:10,260 the governmental maps in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam 2278 02:21:10,260 --> 02:21:10,620 curry, 2279 02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:13,200 and from Northern Silicon Valley, even though I'm not 2280 02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:16,470 really here. I'm John C. Dvorak. We will 2281 02:21:16,470 --> 02:21:20,430 return in just a few days right here on no agenda. Until then. 2282 02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:22,110 Adios movo