1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,550 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for October 2 2020 This is episode five we 2 00:00:05,550 --> 00:00:14,940 are juggling the junkets it's nothing like alliteration junket 3 00:00:16,170 --> 00:00:19,230 Hold on a second. Ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to 4 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:23,760 my co founder and friend Dave Jones here on podcasting. 2.0 5 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:26,520 Hello, Hey, you don't want to junk it is 6 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:30,750 that is that like, I guess it'd be like a trip, like a trip, 7 00:00:30,750 --> 00:00:32,010 right? Like a flight or something? 8 00:00:32,009 --> 00:00:36,359 Yeah, it's actually it's, it's a Hollywood term, where typically 9 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:39,899 you'd have a movie to promote and you go into a city or a 10 00:00:39,899 --> 00:00:43,109 country sitting in a different country, you set up in the 11 00:00:43,109 --> 00:00:48,119 hotel, and all the camera crews will have their own little room. 12 00:00:48,449 --> 00:00:53,159 And they'll have five minutes. And you go in and you're an 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,739 actor or whatever. And you'll answer some kind of very 14 00:00:55,739 --> 00:00:58,799 standard questions. And then you'll have a publicist who will 15 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:02,399 whisk you away to the next one is and it's and what it winds up 16 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:07,109 giving you is really canned boring interviews. And very in a 17 00:01:07,109 --> 00:01:08,279 very tired actor. 18 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:15,180 This was pretty much a normal day for me. Exactly. Your views? 19 00:01:15,750 --> 00:01:18,480 Yeah. Hanging out? Yeah, PR. Yeah, it 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,130 looks so glamorous. It really does. Yeah. And I used to do the 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,710 the other side of that the interviewing and the junkets and 22 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:28,590 you're never happy. He's like, You never get the guests long 23 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:31,710 enough. You know, you can never ask any, you can never build 24 00:01:31,710 --> 00:01:34,650 enough of a rapport that you can ask a question that may be a 25 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:37,320 little deeper or controversial or thought provoking. 26 00:01:38,460 --> 00:01:41,160 The pre canned like the pre script, where are you? Okay, you 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,710 can only ask these things. And you have that 28 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:47,400 sometimes you'll have that. But also you need for your piece, 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,700 you need to get the basic things out which everyone else is 30 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,740 getting the same stuff. You know, what's the movie about? 31 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:54,840 What's the book about? What was it like working with that 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,760 directory and all that kind of stuff? Okay, gotcha. So I've 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,230 been on a junket for the cause for the past. I guess week has 34 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:04,830 been a week. 35 00:02:05,070 --> 00:02:10,860 It's like the the olive garden tour of Italy. Tour podcast. 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,660 Let me see. What do we have we had? Was it the international 37 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:19,590 podcast day? 38 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:20,460 Yeah, yeah. 39 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:22,920 That's the first one because I feel like there was something 40 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:23,610 else before. 41 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:26,460 There's something else too, but I think that was all it was. 42 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:30,960 Let me see. Hold on a second. Let me I have a way of looking 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,420 at this on a calendar. It should work if I just do the whole 44 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:38,940 month here. Gosh, I can never get that to work. 45 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:42,450 Are you a calendar guy? I mean, do you like live and die by your 46 00:02:42,450 --> 00:02:43,260 calendar? No, 47 00:02:43,260 --> 00:02:48,870 no. Well, I know I only have you know, my my junket stuff in 48 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:52,260 there. That's why I'm trying to look let's see, I had 49 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:57,870 international podcast day. There was some Dutch stuff and some 50 00:02:57,870 --> 00:03:03,060 Dutch stuff. Okay, well, Hotep Jesus last Friday, that's what 51 00:03:03,060 --> 00:03:09,330 it is that came after right that came after. After we did episode 52 00:03:09,330 --> 00:03:10,920 four of podcasting. 2.0. 53 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:14,550 I feel dumb. I didn't know. I had never heard of Hotep. Jay, 54 00:03:14,550 --> 00:03:17,250 everybody seems like they know exactly what Hotep Jesus is best 55 00:03:17,250 --> 00:03:18,120 never even heard of it. 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,660 Well, Rogan mentioned or I think that he might have had Hotep on 57 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:26,100 for a second or mentioned him I can't remember exactly. And it's 58 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:30,510 another version of a DDoS. You know, it's an interesting group. 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,070 But he's, he's deep into into crypto just an interesting guy. 60 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:38,670 He's a, and I liked that I liked I liked speaking with 61 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:41,790 interesting people. And I guess my point I'm going to bring this 62 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:47,340 up is I have an opportunity here to make sure I don't stumble on 63 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:50,790 something that happened the last time we when we the first time 64 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:55,470 we booted up podcasting. When and I'm positioning myself as 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,370 the person to get the word out and to try and get developers in 66 00:03:59,370 --> 00:04:04,380 and try to basically promote the whole concept. It's the cheapest 67 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:09,960 way to do it is to abuse me for that. What sometimes happens is, 68 00:04:10,410 --> 00:04:15,240 I mess up I say something wrong. I talk about one project more 69 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,990 than the other. So for instance, I felt really bad on 70 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:25,380 international podcast day when the guys who were doing the show 71 00:04:25,380 --> 00:04:29,670 Todd and Mike who also were on the on podcast, index dot 72 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:33,030 social, they brought up pod friend and he of course, I'm 73 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:35,460 lyrical about pod friend and then I couldn't remember cast 74 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:38,400 coverage. It couldn't get number the name like cast coverage.com. 75 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:40,680 And you know, and it's disappointing. It's 76 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,530 disappointing for someone who's poured their heart into it, you 77 00:04:43,530 --> 00:04:46,290 know, I could, I'd love to talk about pod news and everything. 78 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:48,570 There's so many different things that are taking place browser or 79 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:55,500 browser, it just so much stuff. And so I'm trying to promote it 80 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:59,370 while also trying to stay interesting. And you know, it's 81 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,930 just it's Sometimes it's just hard. But I thought we got some 82 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:06,420 great exposure international podcast day got a lot of 83 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:09,990 incoming emails from people who are interested in. And of 84 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:13,740 course, I send as many of them as I can over to the, to the 85 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:17,910 social. And it's quite a few people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I 86 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:21,690 think we have like 110 115 people now who are on, at least 87 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:23,700 registered on the system. Yeah, that's 88 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:25,500 great. There's a lot of meaning there's a lot of good 89 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:29,070 discussions going on that are not that are not just about the 90 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:32,940 index itself. I mean, there's great discussions about future 91 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:37,770 RSS, RSS namespaces. And we know work being done on other 92 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:42,450 people's collections of feeds and finish like in and then just 93 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:47,550 general, like, like James Cridland, he pops in here since 94 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:51,000 he so he's like, you know, 12, he's, he's 12 hours out of 95 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,490 phase, right? Yeah, he pops in and just like throws a couple of 96 00:05:56,850 --> 00:05:58,710 news bombs in there. And you don't hear about him for the 97 00:05:58,710 --> 00:06:01,530 rest of the year for the rest of the day. Everybody's like, 98 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:03,840 asleep. Yeah, he's gone to sleep. 99 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,470 Yeah, there's always something cool going on there. Yeah, 100 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,410 there really is. And you're right. It's good thought. And, 101 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,550 gosh, I love Mastodon so much, because it really, it doesn't 102 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:18,600 have that all of these things could turn into religious 103 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,200 arguments, you know, about technologies, etc. And I really 104 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,580 think that it's this format, and not the threaded format. So you 105 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:30,480 could when, and I've just, I just recall from my own 106 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,870 experience with collaborative projects like this, when it's 107 00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:37,920 really threaded, like a bulletin board style, it can get pretty 108 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,400 whacked, you know, and then you really fall into a long 109 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,670 discussion thread and you miss all this other stuff. And then 110 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:48,180 this is much more Twitter style, but without the algo. So the 111 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:51,210 stuff doesn't, you know, you start you come in like, okay, 112 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,850 oh, here's new stuff. I scroll down. Oh, I saw that already. 113 00:06:53,940 --> 00:06:58,080 I'm done with that column. Okay. There's nothing else to do. It's 114 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:58,740 like, it's almost 115 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:01,950 like the neat. It's like the river style. It is reader's 116 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:06,659 inbox. Yeah. And I think that's very, very beneficial to us, 117 00:07:06,659 --> 00:07:09,929 then we missed off to of course, that yeah, that's always the 118 00:07:09,929 --> 00:07:13,409 problem. Well, but my experience is the stuff that needs to float 119 00:07:13,409 --> 00:07:15,089 back up does eventually. 120 00:07:15,539 --> 00:07:17,909 Yeah, let's say this morning, I was like, Okay, let's, let's 121 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:21,779 roll this out. And you're in for the beta, the beta site, and you 122 00:07:21,779 --> 00:07:26,399 were like, Oh, I had some stuff that did need fix before we do 123 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:28,649 that. So I had to scroll back down, like, Oh, I missed this 124 00:07:28,649 --> 00:07:31,499 entire thing from you. So you missed up, but that's fine. You 125 00:07:31,499 --> 00:07:33,539 go back in the like you said, a float to the top, you can go 126 00:07:33,539 --> 00:07:34,529 back and find it. 127 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:40,710 Exactly, exactly. And now Trent, rightly says, Okay, can you put 128 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,560 this into the GitHub now I'm like, Oh, shit, I gotta figure 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,630 out how to do that. And I was like, Oh, my, what am I doing 130 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:45,930 here? 131 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:48,900 threw something out there. He's like, can you put it on a 132 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:51,840 Jabberwocky? or some crap? Like, yeah, some word I've never even 133 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,800 heard. Like, 134 00:07:53,910 --> 00:07:55,530 I don't know what to do either. But I wouldn't have 135 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,410 clicked on it. I'm like, this. This is like four columns of 136 00:07:58,410 --> 00:07:59,820 blank that I don't understand. 137 00:08:00,510 --> 00:08:03,300 My my go to is Hey, Dave, can you put that up there in the 138 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:10,080 Jabberwocky for me? Like, that'll be easy. Damn. Anyway, 139 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,510 so international podcast, I thought that was a good 140 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:15,750 appearance. And of course, I had ringers because it had you know, 141 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,930 Todd and Mike and, and are involved in the project. So 142 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,020 yeah, listen to it. That's a great show. Yeah, I 143 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:24,120 thought I thought I thought they did a good job. And I didn't 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,830 have much time to see all of it. Because I had a dinner that 145 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:31,410 night and then I went to I might as well just throw this out 146 00:08:31,410 --> 00:08:35,970 there. Then I got had received an invitation from Wheatstone 147 00:08:35,970 --> 00:08:40,920 group, and there's a mining company out there right in the 148 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,330 middle between College Station, which were Texas a&m is and and 149 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:49,470 Austin, and they've got Houston. Not far. But anyway, 150 00:08:49,650 --> 00:08:52,950 otherwise known as the the third level of hell. 151 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,930 Yes. Oh, yeah. 152 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,510 It's about 1000 degrees. Yeah, so 153 00:08:57,510 --> 00:09:00,510 now it's still nice weather or it's becoming nice weather here. 154 00:09:00,810 --> 00:09:04,980 But they're right. At the switch point of the Texas grid. We have 155 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:08,790 our own grid between East and West Texas. And if I understood 156 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:12,450 it, right, I think they said they had 750 megawatts coming 157 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:15,810 out of the station which is just a huge pipe, but they're running 158 00:09:15,810 --> 00:09:23,910 60,000 bitmain mining machines and it was unbelievable to see 159 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:26,490 and these these guys were further like crypto cowboys out 160 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:31,020 there in the desert. Really, really interesting. And yeah, 161 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,550 I had a bit main I had a bit main unit it was an ant, ant 162 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:40,980 minor, gosh, like an S nine or s eight some some mom is a few 163 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:42,960 years ago when you could actually you know when you can 164 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,570 actually do it on a small scale and mind some stuff and actually 165 00:09:45,570 --> 00:09:48,660 make some money and make a little bit of profit. And but 166 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:52,290 then you know, I had to I had two of those. And I had mine 167 00:09:52,290 --> 00:09:57,840 some stuff, some bitcoin on my CPU. And then before when that 168 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,600 was feasible, and it was it outgrew that Then I bought like 169 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,810 a video card. I did the normal progression regression, using my 170 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:07,110 profits from the previous stuff to buy new hardware. Right. So 171 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:11,400 then I bought the hand miners, the bitmain AntMiner. And about 172 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,270 two of those units like by the time that those pay themselves 173 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:17,640 back and I got some profit, I was like, You know what this is 174 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:18,060 this? 175 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:23,310 Is exponent exponential the growth out Yeah. Now, so. So you 176 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:27,270 also know then that it's all about your power management. Yo, 177 00:10:27,270 --> 00:10:29,910 yeah, totally those things pump out some sear. Yeah. So they 178 00:10:29,910 --> 00:10:32,940 would just show me how some of that works and how they can turn 179 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:36,270 machines on and off. But the thing that tripped me out. Yeah, 180 00:10:36,270 --> 00:10:40,380 and they have L nines. And I think a couple M threes like 181 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:44,310 20,000 M threes, which is the next level for anyone who knows 182 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:47,760 what that means. But these are, you know, specific machines that 183 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,690 just that's what they do is mine mine crypto. But the way they 184 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,560 you think they have a data center. But nothing could be 185 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,500 further from the truth. They've come up with this gene ingenious 186 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:02,640 concept, where they just have a big shed, I mean, it's it was it 187 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,280 was open, big, big open door on the side, because they're moving 188 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,570 stuff in and out. And they have two walls parallel to each 189 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:13,890 other, of just nothing but these bitmain machines shoved in 190 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,950 against the wall with the machines, it has a fan on the 191 00:11:16,950 --> 00:11:19,980 back one of those kind of standard big square fans, that 192 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:26,010 is pushed through a hole in the wall. And so in between those 193 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:28,740 two walls, and they've covered the sides, you basically have 194 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:32,820 now a big funnel, where all the hot air from these machines is 195 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:36,390 blowing, blowing in and it blows up and the roof is open. And all 196 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:38,070 the heat dissipates through the roof. 197 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:42,750 What the sounds like what they did is they created a gigantic 198 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,640 tower PC case. Yes, 199 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:47,910 yes, that's exactly what it is. And we went in the middle, you 200 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:52,290 know, the open up this door, the pressure difference? He said no, 201 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:54,720 don't don't worry when you go in and equalize them. Like I'm 202 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,690 either going into the furnace, and I'm gonna die and how it 203 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:02,580 goes. That's awesome. And yeah, it was warm in there, of course, 204 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:05,820 but just ingenious, really, really fun to see what they were 205 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:09,270 doing. That's cool. Anyway, so I just thought I'd throw that out 206 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,790 there. We hadn't actually talked about it. 207 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:16,020 You sent you sent, you sent me a message. You're like, you know, 208 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 this, this thing's crazy. I gotta tell you about it. Like 209 00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:22,680 that. Yeah, that whole idea of trying to manage that much. But 210 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:25,800 the crazy thing about crypto now, let's see, that's like the 211 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,460 only way you can make money. I mean, you can't, you can't mind 212 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:32,220 on anything like a small scale. And now it's just not, it's just 213 00:12:32,220 --> 00:12:34,590 not feasible. There's too much horsepower out there. 214 00:12:34,740 --> 00:12:37,020 Yeah, all these these guys definitely have quite the 215 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:39,510 operation. There's a lot going on in Austin. So I'd like 216 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:41,520 connecting that community because I have a feeling we'll 217 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:46,560 be interacting with them one way or the other someday. Speaking 218 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:50,910 of which, and I just finished an interview today with Max Keiser 219 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:56,910 for his orange pill podcast with him and Stacy together. And it 220 00:12:56,910 --> 00:13:01,830 was a ruse, mainly about podcast index and the philosophy behind 221 00:13:01,830 --> 00:13:05,910 it. And you know, just where we're going, what the different 222 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:08,820 mission statements are. And that's really, they really 223 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:11,310 wanted me on because of that. And we also talked about my 224 00:13:11,310 --> 00:13:14,910 controversial statements about Bitcoin on the Joe Rogan show. 225 00:13:16,350 --> 00:13:20,130 That was controversial and didn't follow the religious. 226 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:20,760 Exactly, 227 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:24,870 exactly. But I also said, I said, Hey, you know what? I'm 228 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:28,350 not butthurt by it, I first of all, I find it incredibly 229 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:32,340 entertaining. I like seeing that people give a shit about 230 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:37,290 something, you know, the reasons why is okay, whatever. But 231 00:13:37,290 --> 00:13:41,550 there's a tension now. And I'm learning and I'm, I really like 232 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:44,880 it. And I don't know, I think it takes guys like us to come in 233 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,320 and say, Hey, why don't we do something this way. And so I 234 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,950 mean, I've got all kinds of incoming emails from people have 235 00:13:52,950 --> 00:13:54,330 a lot of different ideas. 236 00:13:56,010 --> 00:13:59,280 There's a lot of value to be had from anybody who's on the 237 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,940 outside of something to come in and say, and just ask a simple 238 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:06,810 sort of simplistic questions. Because, yeah, you know, of 239 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,860 that, because a lot of times that you get so focused, I found 240 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,810 myself doing this too, you know, you're writing code, you're 241 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:16,080 trying to get this stuff to work, and, or you're involved in 242 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,260 whatever, you know, whatever your project is, and then you 243 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:23,550 just kind of get in the tunnel, and you don't see what's going 244 00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:26,460 on what's going on outside of your outside of your tunnel. And 245 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:30,900 then you have somebody comes in and just hey, what about so and 246 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,590 so, you're like, damn, I didn't think about that. You know? Yes, 247 00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:38,130 it's very helpful to have somebody come in who's not who's 248 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:39,660 not married to it. 249 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:42,510 And I think that's kind of what happened with podcasting when 250 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:46,350 because the technology the enclosure in RSS that was done 251 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:49,740 two years three years before I saw the iPod that's what 252 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:53,550 happened I saw the iPod and went is not a jukebox is a radio this 253 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:56,460 is radio receivers, elite radio, little transistor radio. 254 00:14:57,060 --> 00:15:00,630 Yeah, and that's those cool with digital talked about that on The 255 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,590 International podcast day. All right, yeah, y'all spend a lot 256 00:15:04,590 --> 00:15:07,680 of time talking about just this whole idea of these receipts, 257 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:10,800 you know, just these things are basically just radios. And I 258 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,030 thought that was a good analogy. 259 00:15:12,210 --> 00:15:17,130 And it's the right one. And well, let me just finish this 260 00:15:17,130 --> 00:15:19,830 up. And then I want to get into first I wanna know how your week 261 00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:24,120 was, because I've been, we haven't really caught up. So 262 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:31,350 Max, and that airs, I think, Sunday. And it was fun, because 263 00:15:31,410 --> 00:15:35,340 they had a viewer question. And the viewer question was from our 264 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:42,480 very own Maj. Weinstein, match one matches. Match is on podcast 265 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,500 index dot social, matches the original bloated lesbian from 266 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:51,870 the pod show days, she had a show on our, on our network, and 267 00:15:51,870 --> 00:15:55,830 the match is having a lot of problem with indexes with a with 268 00:15:55,830 --> 00:16:00,240 a show on Google. And then we followed I mean, we've, we've 269 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,180 continued to follow each other on on Twitter, I think for 270 00:16:03,180 --> 00:16:07,080 bogash forever. And so she naturally came over. And she's 271 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,840 technical. So she knows a lot of stuff. And it's also a user, 272 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,570 which is nice, you know, as a frustrated user with shit 273 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:17,190 doesn't want not working. Yeah. And the question was, No, and 274 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:19,800 it's valid once I just want to address our missions. Again, 275 00:16:20,130 --> 00:16:23,970 what we really can add on really assure us that this index is 276 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:27,090 going to be independent, and it's not just some ploy to make 277 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:31,950 some money off with millions. And and and it's a valid 278 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:35,670 question. I want to make sure we continue to address that. I will 279 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:40,230 hang with busted. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oops, we're done for the 280 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:43,410 mission is first of all, preserving podcasting as a 281 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:46,620 platform for free speech. And we're in the middle of that 282 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:51,090 right now. I mean, that is the entire idea is to have a 283 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:56,040 functioning Mothership Core. And if we can replicate this 284 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,320 distributed IPFS it blockchain it, I don't care what we come up 285 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,710 with that takes the the single point of failure out of it. That 286 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:14,730 I mean, we are we're doing our archiving as promised. That is 287 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,260 by its has that has to remain in that state, otherwise, no one 288 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:23,190 will benefit and it all just fall apart. So that that promise 289 00:17:23,190 --> 00:17:25,890 is there. And I think anybody can take the you know, pretty 290 00:17:25,890 --> 00:17:30,330 much every bit of code that they would need to set it up and and 291 00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:31,920 replicate it. Am I correct? 292 00:17:32,669 --> 00:17:37,349 Yeah. Well, the core API code is not we're not done with it. 293 00:17:37,349 --> 00:17:40,319 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna put it up until I'm fair, but it 294 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:41,819 I mean, it'll go up all of it'll go, 295 00:17:41,820 --> 00:17:44,490 please, please, I'd like you to talk about that, specifically, 296 00:17:44,490 --> 00:17:49,920 because that is an important piece, but you have not put it 297 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,820 up on a GitHub or anything for public view, feedback, etc. 298 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:55,410 Explain your methodology. 299 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,130 But yeah, yeah, I mean, like, so what we did with freedom 300 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:01,800 controller and what another open sourced a few things over the 301 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:07,980 years. In addition to that, and you've run into an issue, when 302 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:10,980 you open source something very quickly, I mean, open sourcing 303 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:15,480 some piece, a significantly large code base is not a small 304 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,000 endeavor. You know, when, if it's large enough, certain 305 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,820 companies that decide to open source something, they may spend 306 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:27,960 months, with a with a team dedicated to just going through 307 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,170 and getting it ready to open source. Now this, obviously, 308 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:36,240 podcast index API is not to that level. But it doesn't, it 309 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,350 doesn't have to get very big before you run into a lot of 310 00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:43,020 work to make something that's ready to open source, you have 311 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:45,360 to go through there and make sure that everything's 312 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,380 documented correctly. Otherwise, you're just dumping a bunch of 313 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:52,530 garbage on people. And they, I mean, nobody's gonna sit there 314 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,390 and run through every line of have, you know, 100,000 lines of 315 00:18:57,390 --> 00:19:00,600 code and try to figure out what's going on, it has to be 316 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,660 documented, and commented, it also has, you have to get 317 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,780 through there and make sure that you didn't leave any static 318 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:10,710 passwords, or configuration parameters that may be sensitive 319 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:13,470 to your system that you're running, you gotta go through 320 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:16,620 there and really just kind of go line by line through through all 321 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:20,700 your configuration files, you gotta go, like, at least another 322 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:25,290 example would be I leave to do markers all over my code, I'll 323 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:31,710 just use JetBrains IDE. And if you just do slash slash to do, 324 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,100 it recognizes that as a keyword, and you can filter when you get 325 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,530 ready to do a commit or something like that. It'll say, 326 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:40,320 Hey, these are some outstanding to do items. So it's like, 327 00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:42,210 there's those things are just kind of like scattered 328 00:19:42,210 --> 00:19:44,640 throughout the code, and you gotta go, sometimes those can be 329 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,180 things you don't want the public to see. Yeah, hey, remember to 330 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:51,780 go do this thing because it'll, you know, have this crazy 331 00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:55,800 effect, you know, and so, it's kind of a big process to go 332 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,520 through open sourcing a project. So I'm just not ready to do that 333 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:06,120 yet. that when I feel like it's stable enough to where I can 334 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:10,740 just sit back and let it run out on its own, without, without 335 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:15,360 having to do a lot of bug fixes and putting out fires, yeah, 336 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:18,690 then then that'll be the time that I'll say, I'll switch gears 337 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:22,590 and say, Okay, now I'm gonna go through here and go line by line 338 00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:26,040 and look at everything and get it ready to go. Because that 339 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:28,650 it's not even going to be the same repository, I'll create a 340 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:33,120 new repository and begin to manually move code over to that 341 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,270 repository. So that it's just, it's too big of a project right 342 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,830 now. Right? Yeah, she can't do it. 343 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,600 And, again, reiterating, this is this is a community project. 344 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:46,410 Yeah. We funded out of our pocket initially. And now 345 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,390 immediately, I need to thank everybody who, who has helped us 346 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:54,000 you know, the mantra of value for value is time, talent, 347 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,040 treasure. I have I have, we need to track this because I really 348 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,540 want to thank people. And I got a list. Oh, thank you. Gosh, I 349 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:07,590 knew you would do it. Dave. I was afraid to ask but I'm just 350 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,250 I'm just to strap for it. And so let's do that right now. Let's 351 00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,710 just thank you. thank people for the for the supporting 352 00:21:13,710 --> 00:21:14,190 everything. 353 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:17,490 Yeah, I'm just gonna get through here. And I went through and 354 00:21:17,490 --> 00:21:18,840 wrote everybody down. It's 355 00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:22,200 their amount of hours. Well, 356 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:25,860 I'll get it all. Yeah, yeah. Good, Martin. And I'm gonna hope 357 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:28,800 I don't butcher names too bad. But Martin Mouritsen? Was that 358 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:29,490 how you would say that? Yeah, I 359 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:32,160 think that's isn't that Martin pod friend Martin pod friend? 360 00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:33,030 Yeah. Gosh, 361 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:38,370 Martin gave us $100 donation I think yesterday from pod friend. 362 00:21:38,370 --> 00:21:43,980 He's also on podcast index dot social. Scott. Jalbert or 363 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,560 Halbert? I'm not sure what the J. He gave us 50 cent double 364 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:55,740 nickels on the dollar 55 to a single donation. See, he had a 365 00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:56,520 note. 366 00:21:57,540 --> 00:22:01,290 My gosh, Dave, can I just make a comment? But you're a natural 367 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:05,130 podcaster. Man, you're a natural born podcast. Look at you hold 368 00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:06,390 on me to get my note here 369 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:08,670 or I get the terrible room noise and everything. 370 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,730 Right there, brother. 371 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,230 Okay, Scott Jalbert. I'm sorry, Scott, if that's not your last 372 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:19,560 name. Hey, guys, I want to thank you for creating podcasts and 373 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,920 index.org as proponent of freedom. I believe this an 374 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,830 important project. As I look around to see parts of 375 00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:31,140 podcasting getting picked up and privatized. I agree once that 376 00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:33,870 happens and money's involved, the leverage is in place to 377 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:36,810 censure and remove perceived offenders as we have seen time 378 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:40,500 and again, like most good infrastructure, it will slowly 379 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:43,020 fade into the background. So the short term donations will fade 380 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:46,140 out, as was mentioned in the latest podcast, the only way I 381 00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:49,800 see this working is some partnership maybe with players 382 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,920 or CD ends are used to service are you putting yourself on the 383 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,680 market waiting for something to swipe, swipe you with the right 384 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,350 partner that goes into kind of right into what you were talking 385 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:03,240 about a second ago? If you if you're doing jingles I'd love to 386 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,650 hear just in your cash. Okay, hold on a second. I don't know 387 00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:09,240 if that's appropriate. But 388 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,190 I think it's actually super appropriate. Let's see. Okay, 389 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:16,830 here we go. I know a lot of people want to send blankets or 390 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:19,350 water. Just send your cash. 391 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:25,770 We're crunching on sacred territory there. Yeah. Thanks, 392 00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:32,070 God. Appreciate and Larry. Hey, he says that he is, sir. Hey, 393 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:37,410 moose. Oh, yes. A moose. Yeah, yeah. Larry hasent 50 bucks. We 394 00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:43,980 can read his note. He said, listening to Pa 2.0 Episode 395 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:48,210 Four. I realized, as I do not offer any dev or hosting skills, 396 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,630 I do have a side gig that pays me enough walk around money to 397 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:54,390 assist in this effort for at least $50 A month moving 398 00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:54,780 forward. 399 00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:58,740 That's really cool, man. I'd say that's it time talent treasure. 400 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:01,770 It's those three. It's that simple. And whatever it's worth 401 00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:05,550 to you. Then we love that. Thank you. And I that's that's 402 00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:06,240 appreciated. 403 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,940 It says, Am I a dev? No. Can I listen and share? Yes, yeah. We 404 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:16,080 cannot beta test and rev point nine nine or 1.0 software? Yep. 405 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:20,880 Can I listen and learn? Yes. Okay. I have been a says I have 406 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760 been in infrastructure for 30 years. I understand the nerd 407 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,480 speak and have been director of network infrastructure for two 408 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,270 years now to one and a half billion dollar global retail 409 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:30,840 grocer. 410 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:33,149 Wow. That's big. Yeah. 411 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,710 I'm donating this financial support because as I may not 412 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:40,830 understand everything I do understand that infrastructure 413 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:46,140 is not free. I'm proud to be able to enter at the ground 414 00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:48,900 level for supporting your efforts and hope someday, we 415 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,780 will all have our names on a placard on Mars for keeping free 416 00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:56,940 speech free. Mere corporate silencing of a single voice in 417 00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:59,760 the name of anti fascism or political correctness is one to 418 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,460 many I'm proud to be part of something so important and look 419 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,130 forward to seeing it mature into something far greater than any 420 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:08,670 of us can imagine. My kids are young and won't appreciate what 421 00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:11,460 you're doing here until possibly well after I'm gone, but it is 422 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:14,910 well worth the investment. He says Adam, I was joking about 423 00:25:14,910 --> 00:25:20,520 the grandfather bombshell email. Hope you forgive me. It's all 424 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,950 good. He said read it. So read it. Yeah. 425 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:27,030 That's very nice. That's very, very kind. I like that. I really 426 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:27,870 like hearing that. 427 00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:32,850 See, he just had no name here. It's just email address CS 428 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:40,980 Bowden. $25. single donation. Thank you. Droid works, LLC. Do 429 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:44,550 you know what that is? No, no, no idea. Droid works. LLC has a 430 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:46,200 $20 a month subscription. 431 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:52,320 Great. Thank you. And that's that's like 10% of our, almost 432 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,730 of our monthly servers. 433 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,250 Yet long that I'm gonna name this are you gonna name the 434 00:25:56,250 --> 00:26:00,600 server name the web server works LLC. 435 00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:04,890 This is great. You can sponsor a server 436 00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:08,069 sponsor a server with a monthly donation and a button. I mean, 437 00:26:08,069 --> 00:26:11,489 like if you come in afterwards, with like, $1 more, you just get 438 00:26:11,489 --> 00:26:14,669 bumped. The other guy gets the other guy gets thrown to the 439 00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:15,089 curb. 440 00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:20,910 I love these levels. That's great. server names. 441 00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:26,700 Jonathan's stutter or Studer $15 and monthly subscription. Let's 442 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:32,070 see he, he we can we can give him an aggregator. You get 443 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:33,150 aggregator three. 444 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,630 Okay. You're gonna rename them? 445 00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:38,640 Yeah, I'm gonna put a screenshot out. 446 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:43,350 Dave, Dave, I love it. 447 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:51,690 Jason Miller $10 single one time donation. None of these guests 448 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:57,570 and no snack can find. Terry Keller a 4.11. of subscription. 449 00:26:57,570 --> 00:27:01,920 I don't. I guess it means like info. For one one. For one, one. 450 00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:08,010 Yeah. Our cheapest servers is is five bucks for the beta www 451 00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:10,170 server. Sorry, you don't get a server? 452 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,000 You just missed the server level. 453 00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:19,380 Alex, Alex gates $10 month subscription. Alex, you're gonna 454 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:25,320 get aggregator aggregator too. And Aaron Renaud I know that 455 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,100 name. And I don't know how on how to spell the last name. r e 456 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,510 n n o w? 457 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:34,950 Wow. It's I don't know. 458 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:37,950 It sounds so familiar. But I don't know why. But anyway, $5 459 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:42,450 month subscription. Thank and you will, you'll get the back. 460 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:47,280 We don't have another server. So you get a backup. Okay. You get 461 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,800 the bigger you get the backup. That was donated in the last 462 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,520 couple of weeks. 463 00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:58,320 Well, thank you all so much. And if anyone wants to jump in and 464 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,550 help, there's so many different ways to do it. API dot podcast 465 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:06,090 index.org. If you haven't signed up as a Dev, I can also sign up 466 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:10,710 no does a search for sorry, podcasts index dot social. And 467 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:14,370 we have a donate button at podcast index. Ne also on the on 468 00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:18,780 the dev site, which I learned, you know, my wife Tina is a 469 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:22,620 marketing professional. And I said now Donna, would you please 470 00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:24,390 choose? Yes, of course. I'm going to review this. You can't 471 00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:28,410 have this go out without my approval. So nice. She's real. 472 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:31,200 She didn't she's really smart. She catches typos. like a crazy 473 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,860 person too. 474 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:34,950 And I'm so bad about that. Oh, yeah, me too. 475 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,740 Although if I'm reviewing someone else's work, it's much 476 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:41,400 easier that's that's actually the way it works. Fresh elbows. 477 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:45,840 Yeah. And and she said she said can you make the donation button 478 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,490 read? I'm like, I don't know. I said I think it's I wonder is 479 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:53,280 that a Pay Pal standard and I look at the button like nah, 480 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,700 that looks like that was me which way I said now? I don't 481 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,290 know. She said red is Miss like every nonprofit knows this. So 482 00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:04,980 we're not really a nonprofits. It's a bigger, bigger and redder 483 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:08,940 Yeah, red and so uova red is our color so we might as well we got 484 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:10,170 our logo. 485 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:15,270 I wonder what the magic is with red that's weird. And it's like 486 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:16,980 this like them when you're selling your house they tell you 487 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:21,210 to paint your door like yellow it's dice like David Daley the 488 00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:21,870 magic that 489 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,440 is so interesting because we were looking for our for our 490 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,530 house in Austin. And this Tina had seen this one on line or 491 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,720 whatever. And it had a yellow door and she said how guy that 492 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,920 has that and I also really I was repelled by it. But I decided 493 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,350 when it let me just go take a look. And it really it ticked 494 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:46,860 all the boxes but it had this horrible yellow door. So you 495 00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:48,870 know we sat down with the builder like hey, you want to 496 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:52,590 listen negotiate. We say well, we need to we need to get rid of 497 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,990 the door has to be painted a different color. And it's a 498 00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:59,310 father son drew homes in Dallas. And the father says to the Son 499 00:29:59,370 --> 00:30:03,600 he has seen He, I told you it was a dumb idea. Apparently 500 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:06,360 they've been trying to sell the place and they put the yellow 501 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,010 door on as like this. We'll get this we'll sell it for sure. We 502 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,070 like that's the worst. It was such a detractor. We almost 503 00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:15,480 didn't even come view it 504 00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:18,509 because of the door. Yeah, that's the one thing everybody's 505 00:30:18,509 --> 00:30:21,839 like yellow door instant sale? No like, no gross. 506 00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:28,950 Yeah did not work with us it was really funny. Anyway, so yes, 507 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:32,100 the donation button for support and for supporting the index 508 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:35,220 have a server named after yet. This is a great promotion. I 509 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,620 love the I love this. This is so fun. And you know who's gonna 510 00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:39,870 laugh her ass off his tea. Now she's gonna laugh when I tell 511 00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:42,330 her this. We came up with a level you can even you're 512 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,620 sponsoring a server? 513 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:47,370 Yes. Sorry, you may get a backup. Sorry. Yeah. 514 00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:50,129 Well, I'm sure there'll be more aggregators and stuff in our 515 00:30:50,129 --> 00:30:56,759 life in our future. Okay, so, so much for the PR part of the 516 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,519 show. Gosh, tell me, how was the rest of your week? Dave? It's 517 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:03,629 been crazy. 518 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:09,360 Yes, it's been. It's been busy, I had a little bit of a, of a 519 00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:14,100 code disaster. And I don't think that anybody noticed that much. 520 00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:18,480 Although I did. Somebody did make a pull request on the on 521 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,200 the documentation repo today to fix something I think was 522 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,940 related. But here's, here's just a word to the wise, do not keep 523 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:35,220 your code, no matter how attractive this may sound, do 524 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:41,310 not keep your code in a folder tied to a sync service, like 525 00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:41,940 Dropbox 526 00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:46,440 or sync.com are a good way for something to get deleted it. 527 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,020 So I use sync.com and a half for a long time. And just to keep, 528 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,310 so I can work on multiple machines. And I have no idea 529 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:59,880 what happened. But it didn't lose anything. But it just 530 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,730 started creating new how Dropbox or OneDrive does where it'll 531 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,870 create those conflict files. It just started creating that crap 532 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:11,520 all over the place. Me it proved to me probably a day to dig out 533 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,720 and figure out what what the pattern was. I think I got 534 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,430 everything put back together. I mean, it wasn't like it was 535 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:20,580 awful. But it mostly affected the documentation repo and a 536 00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:23,850 little bit of the main API stuff. I think I've dug out of 537 00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:25,860 the hole right now. But man, it was a brain tumor. So 538 00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,020 you had to rebuild stuff. No, I 539 00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:30,840 didn't have to rebuild anything, I just basically had to take it 540 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,060 out, figure out what files that it affected and take. then 541 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,120 figure out what it had done, like when it renamed to a 542 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,790 conflict file was old one or the new brother just painted. 543 00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:51,360 Anyway, I think I'd dug out of that hole. But most of the code 544 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,510 work this week has been back in the in the parser. Now, I've 545 00:32:57,510 --> 00:33:03,360 been trying, I've been finding some SQL issues with the recent 546 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,220 episode with the recent episodes, call. And that's a 547 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:12,570 really important call. A lot of people use that. And so I'm 548 00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:16,080 gonna trying to go very slow, and try to make sure that we've 549 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,800 been putting all the filtering into it. So you can filter by 550 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,330 language and categories and all that jazz. And so it's take, I'm 551 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:27,720 having to go really slow and make sure that that call is rock 552 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,060 solid, because that's one of the things that people use the most. 553 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:30,540 It's 554 00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:34,410 a fun call. Yeah, it's really fun because and I see people 555 00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:38,190 doing a lot of calls with this, particularly language, I see a 556 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:38,490 lot of, 557 00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:41,219 it'd be so much better, and it's gonna be so much better when all 558 00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:45,839 the filtering is put in. But there's, there's just some 559 00:33:46,439 --> 00:33:51,359 issues with the table design, I believe it's causing, if I put a 560 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:56,849 lower boundary, if I put a lower boundary on the time, then the 561 00:33:56,849 --> 00:34:02,369 call is very quick. If I don't on the published date for the 562 00:34:02,369 --> 00:34:07,679 item, if I know sort of put a sane starting limit, it wants to 563 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:11,309 do a full table scan, and I still have not figured out Oh, I 564 00:34:11,309 --> 00:34:13,409 could take that could take it could be like a five minute 565 00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:17,039 Yeah, that's kind of weird. That's not possible now. So I'm 566 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,469 still kind of re of it. It's a big complicated SQL statement. 567 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:26,579 But I'm getting I'm trying to avoid things like sub selects in 568 00:34:26,579 --> 00:34:31,079 that sub sequels and that kind of stuff. So I'm just kind of 569 00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:33,749 been going around about with that. But the other work has 570 00:34:33,749 --> 00:34:39,479 been mainly in the parser. Again, where I think it was 571 00:34:39,479 --> 00:34:46,019 Todd, from blueberry. He typed into the to the to the mastodon 572 00:34:46,019 --> 00:34:49,469 and said that one of his engineers noticed that when he 573 00:34:49,469 --> 00:34:55,889 submitted to the feet and submitted a new feed that if you 574 00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:58,919 put in query a query string at the end of the URL, it did not 575 00:34:58,919 --> 00:34:59,969 get flagged as a duplicate. 576 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360 bah bah, yes, yeah, I saw that thread. But that's something 577 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,710 happens later, I guess. 578 00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,160 Yeah. Okay. And so that's worth talking about for a minute, if 579 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,300 we're going to do some techie stuff, like, with the way that 580 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,950 we've, or the way with the way that system works is that when 581 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:22,140 you submit a feed, it tries to do everything possible not to 582 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:27,720 not to be slow or blocked. And so one of the things that what 583 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,550 you will, okay, here's what you would like, let me let me 584 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:33,210 rephrase this, what you would want to happen is, when somebody 585 00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:37,380 submits a feed URL, is at the moment they submit it, you would 586 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:40,110 want to go through and do a whole bunch of checks, you'd 587 00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:43,890 want to say, even want to check in, make sure the URL is sane, 588 00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:48,000 make sure it doesn't produce a 404 or something like that, when 589 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,020 you try to pull it, you would want to parse it out and make 590 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:56,490 sure that the XML is not broken, make sure that it has mp3 ease, 591 00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:59,850 and instead errors or enclosures in it. And it's not just some 592 00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:03,270 random RSS feed, you want to go through and do a whole lot of 593 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:08,010 that kind of thing. But you can't really do that and make 594 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:12,090 the call fast. Because you're gonna block while you're sitting 595 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:15,240 here waiting on the server to pull the feed and do all these 596 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,820 crazy checks. So what we do is we just take the feed, like 597 00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:25,200 whatever some, you know, we have permissions levels for the Read 598 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,370 Write keys and publisher keys. So we say, Okay, we've trusted 599 00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:33,240 you enough to give you this key because we, you know, we've sort 600 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,660 of vetted you so to speak, we trust you enough to give you a 601 00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,420 raid right key. So we're just going to trust that you're not 602 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:43,290 going to give us intentionally give us crap, right? So we say 603 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,820 we'll just take the feed, and then a process comes along 604 00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:53,040 later, and pulls it as part of the note the normal polar, and 605 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,530 then the parser. And all this stuff. It just happens in the 606 00:36:55,530 --> 00:37:01,080 normal flow. But one thing that has that I've never been 607 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,650 satisfied with is the the say what I'm trying to say is the 608 00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:06,810 duplication checks and all that jazz come later. 609 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,030 Yeah. Do we just quickly do we place a flag if it's a dupe so 610 00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:17,940 that the the AP, the person who submitted through the API can 611 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:18,510 check, 612 00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:22,950 there is not exposed? Okay. And that's the part of the problem 613 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:27,030 that that's what I don't like, okay. And there's a there's a 614 00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:35,130 record, excuse me a field in the feeds added table, where, and it 615 00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:39,600 says duplicate. So it just links over to the ID that it thinks 616 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,430 it's a duplicate of, but it's always it's only, it's only 617 00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:50,520 checking on a hash of the raw content of the feed. Which is a 618 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,080 problem because it's a literal copy. Yeah, it's it only picks 619 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080 up as literal copy. And this No, no, when I say Duplicate, I'm, 620 00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:01,020 this is not trying to detect fraud phases are just pure 621 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:06,450 accidental duplication. So it, it just pulls a copy of the feed 622 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:09,690 and looks to see if anything else matches the hash. Right? If 623 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:12,150 it does, it flags it, but there's a lot of fees like we've 624 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:15,810 talked about before that auto refresh their pub date. And last 625 00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:17,160 build date every time you write, 626 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:21,150 which would give you a different MD five or hash. Check. 627 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:22,050 checksum. 628 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,840 There you go. Exactly. Yeah, give you a different hash value 629 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,830 every time which is no good, right? So some of this stuff is 630 00:38:28,830 --> 00:38:31,320 just was in place, like we got into we need to put some out 631 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,740 there. 632 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,260 Can you do all three? Can you do a free snapshot? No, I guess 633 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:40,530 that doesn't work. If it changes now. Okay. Don't ask me about 634 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:43,170 any technical stuff. I need to shut up. 635 00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:49,530 So what what I came up with, and I'll just say, there's a note, 636 00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:55,470 man, what I came up with is a date instead of there's now 637 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:59,940 there's there's two hashes. One hash is the raw hash, which 638 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,480 determines whether or not the feed gets pulled. And there's 639 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,500 another hash, which is just a subset of the content, and that 640 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:12,990 is probably going to be stable. And that is, the way it's 641 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:16,200 working now is it's like a concatenation of a bunch of 642 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,100 different values, the title of the feed, the description, the 643 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:25,740 generator, a few different other text values. And then it's also 644 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:33,330 the last 15 characters of every enclosure element URL within the 645 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:38,130 feed of the first 20 items, pulls the first 20 items, gets 646 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,070 the last 15 characters out of age and then puts it together in 647 00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:45,630 one big long string, adds it to those other stay to those other 648 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:51,390 text values, like the title and such, and then hashes that. So 649 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:57,780 we say well, this value is probably going to be as stable 650 00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:01,980 as you can get. Because you're going to have the title, the 651 00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:05,970 description, all that stuff that rarely changes, right? And if 652 00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:10,470 you happen to hit it between episodes, every now and then, 653 00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:14,430 then it will, it'll pick it up again on the next round. So 654 00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:17,430 you're not penalized, right? Not right away. Okay. Yeah, yeah. 655 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,070 Because because the way this is going to happen is it's going to 656 00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:27,510 be running. The existing one is running now on on one of the 657 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:30,180 aggregators, but this is going to run on its own small server, 658 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,830 and along with some other 659 00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:34,860 Donate now to have your name on this server, 660 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,820 the Duke checker. 661 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,200 Well, that's an expensive one. That's an important piece of 662 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,340 machinery. Right? Yes. 663 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,670 dollars a month do checker. So anyway, that that's what I've 664 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:50,190 been working on. So they did add it required adding some extra 665 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:52,800 columns to the to the news feed table now. 666 00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:57,510 Did I see a lot of discord, some discussion about fraud feeds? 667 00:40:57,570 --> 00:40:59,820 And at least there was something I think the beginning of the 668 00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:02,760 week that was going back and forth, and I, I kind of lost 669 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,570 track of that one. 670 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:09,780 Yeah. This the account, sphinx underscore chat. Yeah. Yeah. In 671 00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:13,470 the podcast, and did you look at that and see the video that they 672 00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,470 send unofficial girl or boy, but what they sent? 673 00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:18,090 No, no, I didn't see it. 674 00:41:18,569 --> 00:41:21,419 Yeah, they posted, you should go check that out. Because they 675 00:41:21,419 --> 00:41:23,909 posted this thing that they put together, where they're 676 00:41:23,909 --> 00:41:26,429 basically calling they're, they're looking at the recent 677 00:41:26,429 --> 00:41:34,709 feeds, recently added feeds API. And whenever they, they take the 678 00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:35,249 fee. 679 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,740 Okay, how much like can I play this? Is it worth listening to 680 00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:38,850 the audio? Or is it just 681 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:41,940 your audio? I don't know if there's audio? Oh, let me say 682 00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:42,990 they can make the video. Oh, 683 00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:47,910 it was the YouTube YouTube video database. That's, that's the 684 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:52,500 link of me. Oh, boy, that was scary. Oh, this back, here we 685 00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,070 go. Yeah, we're catching fraudulent feeds, 686 00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:02,220 is the thing. They just put they're doing it with like human 687 00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:05,460 HR, human intelligence. They're just showing you the fraud 688 00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:09,030 phase. And then they make another call. They look at the 689 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:13,890 new feeds, then make another call afterwards to the search on 690 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:17,130 the database, and try to find something that has similar 691 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:21,240 naming and they show and all and you just manually tap it to say, 692 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,070 Yeah, this, we think this is fraud. 693 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,780 But check this out. No, look at this. I'll just read it. This is 694 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:31,620 fascinating. Yeah, we created a proof of concept for catching 695 00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,130 fraudulent feeds, we make an API call to recents, one times a 696 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,440 day. Then for each new feed, we call search, we show up to the 697 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,100 top 10 results, we show up to the top 10 results to human if 698 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,340 they find a duplicate, we can flag that ID for further review. 699 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:50,220 The human tasks worker gets a few cents of Bitcoin for their 700 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:55,890 time. Yes. Yes to that. How do we integrate this? How do we 701 00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:56,820 integrate this? 702 00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:02,820 I'm not sure he, he she said that they were going to leave it 703 00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:05,370 running for about a week just to see if they just see how it 704 00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:06,810 worked. And 705 00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:10,890 what a great Oh, my God, this is this is the stuff man, this is 706 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,720 it. I love this. 707 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,420 Because, you know, I was thinking like, we need to give 708 00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:18,720 API endpoints for a and all this kind of stuff. And they're like, 709 00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:21,960 Well, no interest do this. Well, why didn't I think about that? 710 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:22,560 That's cool. 711 00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:26,880 Fanta, I you know, it's interesting. And I just asked 712 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,160 the question, I ran into sphinx chat, really, in some of my 713 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,850 research, you know, people pitching me ideas about payments 714 00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:41,070 and stuff. And, and I think they're the ones that did this. 715 00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:45,960 To do like a chat was pretty impressive little demo. I have 716 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,210 to delve into that some more. I've just been, I've been too 717 00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:52,230 busy whoring out our project. I want to get back into this. I 718 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:53,850 don't want to be doing this all day. 719 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,590 I know, ya know, they have their they do definitely do some 720 00:43:58,590 --> 00:44:02,490 crypto stuff and distributed and decentralized. I mean, they're 721 00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:07,290 definitely all in on that camp. And so cool. Yeah, that kind of 722 00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:11,910 stuff can be I'm really excited to see if this works out. And 723 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:15,150 I'd love to make that super cool. Something that sticks, you 724 00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:15,450 know? 725 00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:21,390 Well, and I definitely am. Oh my gosh, my head is spinning. So 726 00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:24,540 cool when I think about this stuff. Okay, good. Excellent. So 727 00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:25,050 that's 728 00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:30,120 existing API calls and they're like, videos super simple. But 729 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,620 they're added the added the sort of like the Mechanical Turk 730 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:35,550 mechanism. Right, 731 00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:38,970 right. Right. I think I think they've made some other 732 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,520 distributed AP examples that I've seen. Yeah. Okay. i I'm 733 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,670 going to reach out to them. Okay. Yeah, I mean, beyond just 734 00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:53,370 the Macedon just talk to human. I'm old school that way. Yeah, 735 00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:56,220 totally. Something else that popped up the Pub Sub. And it 736 00:44:56,220 --> 00:45:02,130 was an interesting question for me per Recently, I forgot who 737 00:45:02,190 --> 00:45:06,030 posed it saying, I wish that Adam could trigger the Pub Sub 738 00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:10,170 so that it would aggregate immediately. And it would show 739 00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:14,280 up in the most recent news feed. And to me that was like, hell 740 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:16,830 can you Is there a button I can push? Is there something I can 741 00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:20,130 do? That's kind of fun. As you know, I have a whole routine 742 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:24,210 after I publish the show anyway, I'm doing something to Twitter. 743 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:26,070 And now we've made it much easier with a freedom 744 00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:29,910 controller. But that would be my obvious question. Can you put a 745 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:32,850 call into the freedom controller just like I click Twitter, I 746 00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:37,290 click mastodon. And now I click Pub Sub, or the index. 747 00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,260 Yeah. Oh, yeah, till we can totally put that in there. But 748 00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:42,420 you could do it now just manually with a bookmark in your 749 00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:44,040 browser tab in your browser. 750 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,210 Well, you say that Dave Jones, but you're gonna have to give me 751 00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:50,910 you have to give me some code and show me what to do. 752 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,670 Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Yeah. Now that's that's that's dead 753 00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:55,890 simple. I'm a you're a dad, if you've got keys. And so you can 754 00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:57,600 you can trigger anytime I got to 755 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,310 use that jingle. jangles can go yes. I'm that guy. I was I'm 756 00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:07,230 home monitor. I got key. keychain safety retro. Yeah. So 757 00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:09,060 watch out. devs. 758 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,550 Do you Do you remember? Gosh, this has been forever ago. 759 00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:19,650 Again, I think I think it was daily source code. Do you 760 00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:23,730 remember how you used to do the thing where you'd get like the 761 00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:29,370 first? Like six seconds of a song and you had like, Oh, yum. 762 00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,520 Paulette Snipper hit? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. 763 00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:35,670 Every time you start singing a little ditty, I always remember 764 00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:36,600 reminds me that. 765 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,140 I love that because what did we call it the hit Test? I think we 766 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:43,860 call it the hit. That's it young young poet who I haven't I kind 767 00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:48,090 of lost touch with him. He's blind or legally blind. So he 768 00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:51,900 had this really uncanny knack for, for identifying stuff with 769 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:56,790 sound. And so he started doing this little game where he have a 770 00:46:56,790 --> 00:47:00,630 little quick, he'd sent me two files, one with this intro and 771 00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:05,160 had everybody jump out here with Adam curry sent to us. And they 772 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,530 put like a little snippet of a song. And then I would have to 773 00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:10,830 guess what it was. Now if it's anything within the ad, well, 774 00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:18,300 actually 60s 70s 80s and half of the 90s I can definitely get it 775 00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:19,740 and then have your all over it. I 776 00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:21,690 never heard you miss one. Then he, 777 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:26,190 but then he had the payoff where he would, you know, I would 778 00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:29,250 never listen to that. I just, in fact that Melissa either want to 779 00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:33,060 just do it live and just. Yeah. And just grab it. Yeah, that was 780 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:35,430 fine. It's good. To have a good times. 781 00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:41,970 Yeah, that's, let's see. Yeah. So the other thing, what we want 782 00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:43,620 to do tech stuff, we're gonna talk about some other stuff, 783 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:47,430 whatever you want to talk about, you know, I think yes, please 784 00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:51,390 tell us we should talk about textiles. Good. The other 785 00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:56,400 thing that I was really thinking about this, or looking at this 786 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:04,350 week was how to get rid of old items. And that's probably not 787 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:11,820 even the right way to describe it. So phone boy in the mastodon 788 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:15,630 said, No, I deleted an item out of my feed, and it's still 789 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:17,700 there. And 790 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,200 oh, yeah. Okay, this is yeah, that's donors 791 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,910 next. And this goes back to another issue that we've been 792 00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:31,830 talking about is, is how to help. I'm trying to find the 793 00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:34,950 right way to word it, actually. Because it's not just a matter 794 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:38,310 of rolling off fees that are no longer in rolling off items that 795 00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:42,300 are no longer in the feed. It's sort of a bigger question about 796 00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:49,920 do you take items away? Well, let me come at this from a 797 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,180 different angle. The New York Times I don't know if you 798 00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:56,940 followed that story with their caliphate. 799 00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:59,670 No, no, no, no. What's going on? Yeah. 800 00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:03,690 Okay. So their podcast, never podcast called caliphate. 801 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,940 Yeah, hi, everybody. It's the Nazi podcast. All right, 802 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:12,900 caliphate. Yeah. So you so you haven't heard any of this? No, I 803 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,180 don't. I have no idea what's going on. Okay. 804 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:18,749 To get a sense of what is PLAY CLIP one New York Times 805 00:49:18,749 --> 00:49:19,229 caliphate. 806 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:27,420 The blood was just it was one and it sprayed everywhere. And 807 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,610 the guy cried was crying and screaming. He did not die after 808 00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:37,050 the first time. The second time or so he probably crunched over 809 00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:49,110 those it's hard. I had to stab him multiple times. And then can 810 00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:50,520 we put him up on a cross 811 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,000 and I had to leave a dagger in his heart. And then there's a 812 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:05,220 sign that said it had Hold on it. And, like 166 and drugs and 813 00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:08,670 alcohol. offense. All right. Okay. 814 00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:15,090 So this is a podcast about this guy who's Canadian who 815 00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:22,830 supposedly left and went over to Syria to join the jihad. Okay. 816 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,180 Well, he got. And this is like a 10 part series from New York 817 00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:32,910 Times he got arrested last week, I think and comes out and the 818 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:35,670 whole thing was fraud. The whole thing was made up. None of it 819 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:39,030 ever happened. And so then 820 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:43,440 that who was the whole podcast was fraud, or just this guy's 821 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,400 story was fraud. 822 00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:47,340 This guy's story was fraud. But the whole podcast is based on 823 00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:47,490 this. 824 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:50,910 It's a problem. Yeah, I can see the issue. 825 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,620 And so they, they, evidently, the Royal Canadian Mounted 826 00:50:55,620 --> 00:51:00,690 Police arrested this guy, because they were like, This is 827 00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:03,900 scary. Nobody wants it like a terrorist living right next to 828 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,290 him. So they arrest this guy start digging into it. And it 829 00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:09,510 turns out, it's all fake. He did. None of this stuff ever 830 00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:14,400 happened. And so then the New York Times says, and I was 831 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,770 reading this and Matt to a Matt Taibbi article. He said, The New 832 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,300 York Times basically said, Well, we were just saying that we were 833 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,650 exploring the topic. It wasn't we never certified that it was 834 00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:30,090 that it was actually true. 835 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,340 Like the rest of the republication. 836 00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:39,870 So he says he was going, he came to them. And they were just 837 00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:43,230 like, they were just saying his story that they never claimed 838 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:46,710 that it was true. Always was possible that it had an element 839 00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:49,620 of fiction, actually playing it off. Like they were like, look, 840 00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:49,890 this is 841 00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:51,780 just a podcast, man. 842 00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:58,020 That that's what I wanted to ask you. Yeah. You've always said 843 00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:01,470 that there's this element of podcasting, where people sort of 844 00:52:01,470 --> 00:52:06,480 let their guard down, that anything goes. Okay, that ties 845 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,370 back into the getting rid of stuff that's not there. Now, 846 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:14,850 they left there, they left this up, and they've they've doubled 847 00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:21,930 down on it. They said, We We stand by this podcast, as a 848 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,480 storytelling device. Right. 849 00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:26,760 Right. It's a total work of fiction. 850 00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:31,110 Yeah, exactly. And even though you can, you know, listening 851 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:33,390 that clip, nobody thinks that that sounds like a work of 852 00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:33,840 fiction. 853 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:37,410 But no, sounded quite real. 854 00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:43,140 What if, what if they did take it down? That makes me wonder, 855 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:48,960 just because they take the episodes offline? Should we? 856 00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,910 Because the main, this happens sometimes in the freedom 857 00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:59,220 controller, haha, I gotcha. You'll have thing. This happens. 858 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,140 Actually, quite often, I'll see something pop up in my in my new 859 00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:11,220 in my feed. And then like maybe three or four items up the line, 860 00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:14,370 I'll see this what looks like the same headline. It was 861 00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:18,540 because they post they posted something to their RSS feed, and 862 00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:22,470 then made a correction to it and report in in fixed it. And the 863 00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:26,760 RN frame controller picked it up as two separate items. Yeah, 864 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:31,110 this is the GU ID issue. And, and it's very, very tricky 865 00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:31,770 stuff. 866 00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:35,190 And you'll see it a lot of times, because what happens is 867 00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:39,150 you click on the face, you click on that on the title to go to 868 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:45,150 it. And the link is for a Ford. Right. And there have been times 869 00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,430 I don't know if you've ever experienced this. But there's 870 00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:49,980 there's been a handful of times where I've seen something in the 871 00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:54,000 river. And I've thought whoa, that's actually a big deal. And 872 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,040 I click on it, it's gone. And it's gone. 873 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:59,040 But you haven't we have the aggregated copy in the 874 00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,850 aggregator? 875 00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:03,930 Yes. It never shows back up. And I'm so glad at those times that 876 00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:05,280 I that I have that? 877 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:08,550 Well, that's actually how a lot of things, how people, I mean, 878 00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:12,120 they used to catch a lot of that back in the Google Reader days 879 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:16,980 when RSS reading was still a thing. And remember, we let it 880 00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,860 get centralized. And we all fell in love with it. And then they 881 00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:24,270 blew it up. Remember that people? It's lesson? Yeah, 882 00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:26,610 there'll be all looked at New York. And in fact, there is 883 00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,720 there's a couple of Twitter bots out there who are continuously 884 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,100 checking the New York Times. And the end it says shows different. 885 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:39,570 It shows changes over time to a story as they're made. So you 886 00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:42,960 can get into that just I guess they're just trolling it all day 887 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,900 long. I'm not quite sure how they, how they know how they 888 00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,350 know when to check for a change. Same with Wikipedia essentially. 889 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,180 There's a lot of that going on. But I think your question is, 890 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,840 what do we do? What does the index do? 891 00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:04,410 Exactly what is theirs? There's this technical question of, you 892 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:05,760 can't keep everything forever, 893 00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:09,120 here's how I think it should go. Okay, because, well, here's my 894 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,680 experience. And then let's, this will be a jumping off point. So 895 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,840 first of all I've had many times in my life, the issue of Oh 896 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,980 crap, I screwed that up, I've got to go in, I've got to fix 897 00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:28,410 the RSS feed. Now, I don't have to tell you what happens when 898 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,950 our RSS feed goes up. I mean, the amount of bandwidth and 899 00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:36,330 connections is just it's it's quite absurd, and the amount of 900 00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:43,800 the data we're pushing. And if I need, so usually, it's like, I 901 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,340 mess something up by screw the title up, I need to fix it. So 902 00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,870 that shows up properly in people's apps. changing that, if 903 00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:55,950 I do it quickly, then I can, you know, the change the GU ID, 904 00:55:57,330 --> 00:56:02,160 which will then hopefully make most apps realize, ah, this is a 905 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,700 change. And it just reflects that change, and but it will 906 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:10,140 show it as new. And in the worst case scenario, which happens 907 00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:16,320 with a lot of apps, there's another download, which may not 908 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,020 seem like a big deal. And it's not to me, from a statistical 909 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:22,230 standpoint, I don't need to know the numbers. But it's really a 910 00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:25,650 waste of resources. It's a human, you're telling everybody 911 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,710 Oh, on here is that 150 megabyte file, go ahead, download it. 912 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:32,610 Again, it's just a stupid waste of resources. On both sides, by 913 00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:39,870 the way, it gets trickier. This is a very actual problem. Amidst 914 00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:42,750 all of Dave's week, I also threw out there Hey, man, well 915 00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:45,330 actually just happened a couple of weeks ago, we talked about on 916 00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:49,800 the show. My AWS Bill was hosting show notes and images, 917 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,950 basically, for the show notes and assets. It was up to like, 918 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,410 was it 13 1400 bucks a month? It was it was? 919 00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:59,280 No, it was like 17? Yeah, it was it was grown 920 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,460 out of control. And we were just busy and like, okay, yeah, I 921 00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:06,270 didn't want to bug day. But of course, he he found out and then 922 00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:09,570 you immediately start to change stuff. And then we decide on, 923 00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:12,360 we'd have to go through the whole setup. But basically, 924 00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,960 thank you Cloudflare. But we set up a whole bunch of things and 925 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,380 read rejiggered things. And so the URL changed. And anyone 926 00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:22,350 who's been testing our index, and has looked at no agenda, 927 00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:25,470 like the images are broken, they're gone, whatever, even 928 00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:30,930 though I had changed them in the RSS feed. It really that never 929 00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:37,560 refreshes for most podcast apps, even if you change the geo ID, 930 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,950 but then again, you know, I try to keep 10 or 15 episodes in our 931 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:44,730 feed, not too much, because you have no idea how inefficient 932 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,200 polling is. I mean, it's really inefficient. And you can't, we 933 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,500 can't be serving up megabytes of time, every single time someone 934 00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:55,170 wants to look at the whole feed, which happens a lot more than 935 00:57:55,170 --> 00:58:03,720 you'd think. So the way I would prefer it to be, and whatever, 936 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:06,480 you know, whatever system and I think it's a more universal 937 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,530 problem of people implementing it. I just want a mirror of my 938 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:17,820 feed in the system. Okay. I think it's great if you catch 939 00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,540 something, but if you delete it, it's just a wasted resource and 940 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,610 go to archive.org. I don't think that's the core business of the 941 00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:31,800 index. And I'm not stating any any policy. I'm just thinking 942 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,250 out loud. It seems like we just we're just there to help you 943 00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:37,710 with whatever's there. If people Yeah, because I can just see 944 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:40,890 people like, oh, I want that. I don't want to we can deal with 945 00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:44,460 that. If you if we should replicate the feed, I think 946 00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:47,670 that's the easiest way the owner of the feed determines what they 947 00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:49,980 expose in the database. Is that fair? 948 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,910 Yeah, I think it's fair, because there's two, there's kind of 949 00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:56,520 two, two questions. There's the philosophical question, which 950 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,360 your be No. I mean, well, you're kind of going both technical and 951 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520 philosophical. But there's, there's kind of that that 952 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,280 philosophical question of, you know, if somebody deletes 953 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,520 something out of their feed, you don't, they don't want it, 954 00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:11,460 they've determined is not valuable, right? Or, or they 955 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:14,400 don't want it there. And you want to honor that. And so but 956 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,420 then there's the other question of just a purely technical 957 00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:21,090 question, where it's like, we can't, we can't keep everything 958 00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:26,220 and you also want to be, you know, this is the funny thing 959 00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:29,160 is, you know, deleting things out of a database is expensive, 960 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,690 too. Yeah, it's not free. It's not free. Yeah. Especially at 961 00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:37,050 the scale of, you know, million and a half feeds. Because you're 962 00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:40,560 talking about, you know, there's, you know, 40 million 963 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,690 episodes listed in, in the index now. And so, if you start 964 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,380 potentially hundreds and hundreds of database calls, you 965 00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:53,490 know, every, every couple of minutes to delete old stuff, 966 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,980 right? So it has to be done in sort of like a methodical way 967 00:59:58,980 --> 01:00:02,280 where you're not just hammering the database and trying to clean 968 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,470 up after itself every second, right. And so, you know, think 969 01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:12,330 what I've settled on is one of the fields I added this week 970 01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:17,190 was, there's always been a field called newest, newest item, pub 971 01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:19,980 date, which is just the, you know, the most latest item 972 01:00:20,010 --> 01:00:23,220 timestamp. And and then now there's an oldest item, pub 973 01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:27,990 date, think that an egg is populated when it's parsed. And 974 01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:32,160 then I think the way I'm going to do it, it's just anything 975 01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:35,430 older than that in the database, there's going to be a cron job, 976 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:38,070 that just that all it does is just walks through the database 977 01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:41,790 all the time just cleans up stuff right? Now that if you if 978 01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:44,970 you delete, that, what that means in practice is if you 979 01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:49,020 delete an item out of your feed, it's not necessarily going to 980 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,930 disappear on the next aggregator run. Right could take a while, 981 01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:57,090 but it will eventually. And I think that's about the only I 982 01:00:57,090 --> 01:00:59,880 think that's about the best sort of balancing. Yeah, I 983 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,090 like it. And I think there's a lot of validity to someone 984 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,290 making an archive of everything if you feel like it. Yeah, you 985 01:01:07,290 --> 01:01:10,140 know, there's nothing I have nothing against that. But you 986 01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:13,500 know, you're right. Eventually, it gets expensive, just to have 987 01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:14,130 everything, 988 01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:17,610 instead of in terms of money. And in terms of just 989 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,780 performance. Yeah. 990 01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:21,900 And, you know, the index is mission is just to serve on 991 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:27,120 demand. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I think we see eye to eye 992 01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:27,870 on that. 993 01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:30,360 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that makes that makes sense. If 994 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,390 anybody has a better idea, we've thrown this around in the in the 995 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:36,810 mastodon a few times about sort of the best strategy for 996 01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:41,280 deleting kind of cleaning up after a feed. And I think that's 997 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,010 kind of what I settled on. But if anybody else has, has better 998 01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:47,880 ideas, I'll wait a little while before I implement it. Because 999 01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:51,960 right now, we're not doing any cleanup. If it's if it's in the 1000 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,920 attorney, I wasn't happy with what we were doing before 1001 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,690 because it was hitting the database too hard. So I kind of 1002 01:01:57,690 --> 01:02:00,000 just turned it off. So we're just accumulating stuff right 1003 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,300 now. Which is not a big deal. I mean, it would take a while 1004 01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,670 before it became a problem. But I would like to get some in 1005 01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:07,230 place within the next couple of weeks. 1006 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:09,810 what else what else? 1007 01:02:11,130 --> 01:02:15,270 Michelle Obama opens, they opened her podcast. Yeah, this 1008 01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:20,220 was very interesting. And I had heard from a reliable source 1009 01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:23,490 that there were definitely issues with the audience size. 1010 01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:29,130 Now, I when I heard deal was before, Joe, I think. And so, 1011 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:31,680 you know, I checked out the podcast, and I've listened a 1012 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,860 couple times. And I'll just start by saying it's a very 1013 01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:39,750 unimpressive product, because it's not necessarily, I'm not 1014 01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:45,510 quite sure who it's for. It feels very in crowd. I think she 1015 01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:49,380 lacks an element when she doesn't have Baroque. You know, 1016 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,310 I just the order is not surrounding the political 1017 01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:59,550 Obama's. So I can understand, it's possible that it's just not 1018 01:02:59,550 --> 01:03:06,600 a draw. But when you're Spotify, the idea is that you can deliver 1019 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,470 the audience and if you can't deliver it on and I have to say 1020 01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:14,400 that this podcast, it's not known what the deal was, the 1021 01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:18,090 Obamas have higher ground productions. You know, they have 1022 01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:22,710 a deal with Netflix a deal with Spotify, which is, I'm sure, 1023 01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:25,980 mainly based on name, but there's deliverables. Then they 1024 01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:32,040 sold the Michelle Obama podcast to their launch sponsor, which I 1025 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,170 believe is Procter and Gamble, specifically Don and tied as the 1026 01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:42,030 two products. And I know enough about the advertising business 1027 01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:44,070 because I've been in it and I created a lot of the online 1028 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:49,620 advertising business, that was a part of the creation of it. That 1029 01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:57,270 you, they don't really even care that much about the content or 1030 01:03:57,270 --> 01:04:02,850 any of that. It's just hey, you do have to get our message. As 1031 01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:05,490 many times as you promised in front of the audience we 1032 01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:10,110 anticipate to show up, and if they can't do it, then it's a 1033 01:04:10,110 --> 01:04:14,190 problem with their audience management system. So the 1034 01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:16,770 recommendations are however, they intend to get people to 1035 01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:19,860 shuttle people over there. So they at least catch two ads 1036 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:23,040 before the podcast starts. And then you know, then almost the 1037 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,430 end. I know they're gonna do mid rolls as well. Oh, they are. Oh, 1038 01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:27,240 yeah, they're gonna do Oh, yeah, 1039 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,330 they're gonna do play clip to Michelle Obama. 1040 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,840 Oh, hold on a second. By the way. I really appreciate that. 1041 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,640 You show up with clips. That's very nice. Okay, here she is. 1042 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,600 This episode 1043 01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:42,690 of The Michelle Obama podcast is brought to you by Salesforce. 1044 01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:46,410 Yeah. Let's see now that's a misplace that in my book. 1045 01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:51,000 That that's that ran at the beginning. Like they had to 1046 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,730 intro and they did. By the way, it's a very boring podcast. 1047 01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:56,970 Yeah, I 1048 01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:59,310 told you unimpressive. It's not really great 1049 01:04:59,459 --> 01:05:02,099 trend. ain't even listening to it to get these ads clips was 1050 01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,519 was painful. But they did that at the beginning. And then they 1051 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,819 do a mid roll halfway through where it's a little sort of like 1052 01:05:08,819 --> 01:05:13,799 an extended spot for hats for Salesforce. Oh, no. Yeah. So 1053 01:05:13,799 --> 01:05:16,529 it's it's double. It's double Salesforce one at the beginning 1054 01:05:16,529 --> 01:05:19,559 and a longer one in the middle. So they go to sort of like a 1055 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:20,969 let's take a break. Yeah. 1056 01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:23,910 They do that they do. We'll be right back. 1057 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,480 Yeah. And it's like a minute long, and then they come back. 1058 01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:31,980 So. So this show and so the announcement came out today, I 1059 01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:35,970 think. And the announcement was, Oh, we're going to launch it on 1060 01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:40,380 other platforms, which, by the way, very interesting 1061 01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:44,250 terminology. So they're now a platform. So just so we all 1062 01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:48,000 understand. They've taken core podcasting, and they're calling 1063 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,080 it their platform, which is okay, but I just want us all to 1064 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,860 recognize it. And what was mentioned in the in the press 1065 01:05:55,860 --> 01:06:00,900 release, was I heart Stitcher, all these other platforms, which 1066 01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:08,220 are Whoa, the company take you away now. All day long. And 1067 01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:12,540 those, as far as I know, are also closed, you need to submit 1068 01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:17,970 platforms. But it also showed up in the index. So pretty quick. 1069 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,500 Yeah. So and so it's everywhere. And this is this is a seminal 1070 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,190 moment, I'm watching it very closely. If they can't take a 1071 01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:30,180 name, like Michelle Obama and fulfill on their commitment for 1072 01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:35,130 the ads that were promised, they have a much bigger problem than 1073 01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:39,030 they think. And you'll see it turns out that podcasting is 1074 01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:44,460 kind of pretty big outside of the silos. Kind of pretty big. 1075 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:48,360 It'd be very, it's going to be very interesting to watch how 1076 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,380 this unfolds. 1077 01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:55,290 Tell me, tell me if this sort of hunch or understanding jazz was 1078 01:06:55,290 --> 01:06:59,520 what you think, is that they made the commitments for the 1079 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,840 ads. Like you said, they couldn't fulfill the audience 1080 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,270 commitment. Maybe that now James Cridland said, this, it was hard 1081 01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:13,620 to make this jive with the numbers they released earlier. 1082 01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,960 Well, it wasn't really a numbers. They said, Hey, here's 1083 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,650 the top 10 Oh, it's millions. Yeah. Michelle's number one, 1084 01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:26,400 number one. Yeah, that's how you do it. It? I mean, they lie. Of 1085 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,490 course, they lie. Did they show the numbers? They actually have 1086 01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:32,370 a log to look at? No, of course not. They lie. And that's what 1087 01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:34,140 you do. That's how you promote you lie. 1088 01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:39,720 So you can't fulfill the numbers. And then you? And then 1089 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,500 you say, Okay, well, if I can't fulfill the numbers, let's open 1090 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:48,480 it up, and then sell ads the traditional way? 1091 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:54,120 Well, this is where it gets interesting. Okay, I certainly 1092 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,670 believe that they have the mechanism, they have the ad 1093 01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:59,160 network. You know, they've shown off all this Wookiee Dookie 1094 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,640 technology where they can, they did this back in January, where 1095 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,340 they can target exactly the right because I know a lot about 1096 01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:08,610 you. So they can target you completely down to whatever it 1097 01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:12,870 is, they may just have to continue the ad business and can 1098 01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:17,340 open the in a weird perverted way. It would be a huge defeat, 1099 01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:21,300 but it's very possible that they just can't get the numbers with 1100 01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,360 Rogan without it being open. And they may just have to open that 1101 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,680 back up. They'll still I mean, if Spotify had from the 1102 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,230 beginning, had said, Hey, we're the ad making guys. You come 1103 01:08:34,230 --> 01:08:37,800 over here, we'll shove ads everywhere up your button, the 1104 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,100 front and the middle, and wherever you want one. And we'll 1105 01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,940 give you a piece of the action. And we can do a lot of great 1106 01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:48,270 stuff. If we get people over here. And we'd like you know, 1107 01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:52,830 maybe you say, hey, promote promote only Spotify as the 1108 01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:56,550 podcast app. But you know, the other people are just as valid. 1109 01:08:57,780 --> 01:09:03,480 As lots of once you have a sample of the Spotify audience 1110 01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:09,600 you can, it would be worth less. So let's say if you got a $50 1111 01:09:09,630 --> 01:09:14,610 CPM, so for every 1000 listens, you got $50 on Spotify may be 1112 01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:17,310 something that was listened to off of Spotify would be worth 1113 01:09:17,310 --> 01:09:20,580 $30 Because you know you're going to be reasonably in the 1114 01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:23,970 target demo or whatever. Okay, they could become a great 1115 01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:26,520 advertising come if they'd started like that, I wouldn't be 1116 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,080 like, oh, yeah, and it's not abnormal for for that kind of 1117 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,310 operation to buy content and control the advertising and 1118 01:09:35,310 --> 01:09:37,950 possibly the content itself because that's ultimately always 1119 01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:38,610 what happens 1120 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,600 Wasn't she one of their first exclusives? I mean, yes, she 1121 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,790 was that's Yeah, I think she would she was once you may have 1122 01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:46,500 been the first probably 1123 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,680 because I remember see it popped up all you know, opened up 1124 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,890 Spotify one day and it popped up all over the place. Please 1125 01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:53,490 listen to this. 1126 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,220 But you know, there's this thing. Yeah, there's things in 1127 01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:59,580 the industry and this has been going around for a long time. 1128 01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:03,060 This is information. And they got kind of more confirmed for 1129 01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:06,360 me recently before this came out. But I was like, Oh, that's 1130 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,580 interesting. didn't think much of it, but I never considered, 1131 01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:12,420 they would have to open it up. And by the way, happy to have 1132 01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:15,900 you, Michelle. Welcome to podcast. index.org. Yeah, it's 1133 01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:19,290 fantastic. And I hope you have ads. And if people want to 1134 01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:22,770 listen to them, that's great. No problem. This could be a great 1135 01:10:22,770 --> 01:10:26,100 moment. If Spotify, they should really consider what they're 1136 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:30,540 doing that because they could they, they have everything you 1137 01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:33,960 need. They could make they could be everybody's friend, it would 1138 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,010 be fantastic. 1139 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,910 Do you think that would be I mean, if they, if they just 1140 01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:41,880 basically declare on me, they won't declare failure. But if 1141 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,020 they just say, you know, basically, if they say this is 1142 01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:48,690 not working, we're just going to open everything up and do to do 1143 01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:51,240 it and do traditional ad sales, and then they just let their RSS 1144 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,270 feeds out into the public again, what does that say for the rest 1145 01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:57,150 of the day? The rest of the players out there, they're 1146 01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:58,380 attempting silos? 1147 01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:01,290 Well, we're gonna have a very interesting Reversal of Fortune 1148 01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:05,850 now, aren't we? Yeah. So now now, you know, now it's not for 1149 01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:11,970 the index. I have there. Okay. Can I go a little Theramin on 1150 01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:13,800 Yeah, I won't actually play the theremin. But 1151 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,800 please, I've seen it I've gotten most are in right here. 1152 01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:22,650 Doo doo. A lot of things are changing because of the 1153 01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:26,940 Coronavirus, the shutdown the lockdown the the communication, 1154 01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:29,940 just a lot of things are changing in media. I believe 1155 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:33,870 celebrities are in trouble. They have become annoying pieces of 1156 01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:38,370 crap who are spoiled and you know, people have turned on many 1157 01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:42,240 of them like your yammering and your mansion Shut up. You know, 1158 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,130 people get caught going out not playing by the same rules. We've 1159 01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:53,760 seen entire television. legacies like the tonight show completely 1160 01:11:53,760 --> 01:12:01,590 fall apart. And the most noticeable is audience based 1161 01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:07,440 programming, NFL NBA Academy of Country Music Awards, Emmy 1162 01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,820 Awards, ratings, never this low in the toilet, even though 1163 01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:15,540 everybody's apparent you know, I hypothetically is home and ready 1164 01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:20,310 for great sports, etc. But it turns out all of the when you 1165 01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:24,210 remove the fans, I can speak for the Emmy Awards, you remove the 1166 01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:27,660 fans and the red carpet. And with that comes the fashion 1167 01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:31,200 industry in the gossip industry in the paparazzi. When you 1168 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,620 remove all that it's just a shell of a bunch of Hollywood 1169 01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:37,770 douchebags who are congratulating each other, and 1170 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,810 you're missing the audience, I have a feeling that if some if 1171 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:47,130 not all, there is a moment in time where we can say hey, NFL 1172 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,000 or NBA maybe even better, you should pay us to sit there. 1173 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,320 We're a big part of your system, you lose money if we don't show 1174 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,020 up and come to your game and we dance like monkey boys and 1175 01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:01,260 girls. Maybe we need to reevaluate our relationship with 1176 01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:06,360 some of these companies. So if Spotify has issue and they need 1177 01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:13,890 to distribute their podcasts on the open on the open system. I I 1178 01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:17,670 think that it's entirely possible that very popular apps 1179 01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:21,420 that can you know that's provable to a degree could say 1180 01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:26,310 sure. But I need a piece of the action. 1181 01:13:27,089 --> 01:13:33,959 Oh, it's gonna eat reverse. Why not? What? So like an app. Let's 1182 01:13:33,959 --> 01:13:37,889 just say an app. Well, okay, take take blueberry, blueberry 1183 01:13:37,889 --> 01:13:42,239 could could do a deal with Spotify, where they're like, 1184 01:13:42,389 --> 01:13:46,199 where they feature some of Spotify is now open content. 1185 01:13:46,349 --> 01:13:49,529 Yeah. And not not silo it, but just feature it. Yep. Just 1186 01:13:49,529 --> 01:13:54,479 featuring. And then while and they get a cut? Sure. Is that 1187 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,200 short? Yes, of course it is. Your immediate outlet? 1188 01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:02,280 Absolutely. If they if it turns out they need it. Oh, my 1189 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,160 goodness. Happy days are here again short. 1190 01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:10,650 How much of this is just pure, not good content. Because I 1191 01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:13,830 listened to I tried to listen to it and I got about halfway 1192 01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:18,810 through it. And Michelle Obama podcast, I was trying to find 1193 01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:21,510 ISO it was because I wanted to celebrate this and it was like, 1194 01:14:21,690 --> 01:14:25,740 impossible to find even a decent ISO in this in this thing. And I 1195 01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:30,870 would love to see the numbers were who they were somebody they 1196 01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:34,470 said, Okay, we had 5 million listens, let's just say. And I 1197 01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:37,710 would love to see the number breakdown of how many of those 5 1198 01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:41,100 million started listening to the podcast and turned it off after 1199 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:41,880 like 10 minutes, 1200 01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:47,250 right? Well, that is also an interesting number. And the way 1201 01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:52,200 I see it shaking out is you are going to be forced to listen to 1202 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,620 the pre rolls, everyone to listen to it because you can't 1203 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:59,940 fast forward it on Spotify. So you can so those are guaranteed 1204 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,460 You're gonna get the right person showing up, they're gonna 1205 01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:06,810 listen to two ads. And if they bail, they bail, who cares if 1206 01:15:06,810 --> 01:15:09,900 they make it to the mid roll, because that's why it's a mid 1207 01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:15,210 roll. That'll be in the middle will be cheaper. But that's a 1208 01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:19,500 really good indicator, the average view time for Joe Rogan 1209 01:15:19,530 --> 01:15:22,710 45 minutes, that's very long in the industry, 1210 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,950 that that does seem long. And I mean, I don't know, I'm not some 1211 01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:28,860 kind of, he knew, I don't know as much as y'all do. But like, 1212 01:15:28,890 --> 01:15:29,820 that does seem long. 1213 01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:36,150 So it's hard to say, you know, I recently participated as a, on a 1214 01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:40,110 panel of judges for a Dutch Podcast Awards. And I said, This 1215 01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:42,990 really makes no sense. We really can't have an awards for this. 1216 01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:47,100 And I just want that to be noted. You can't have an award 1217 01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:50,400 anymore, it was just so many categories, and, you know, the 1218 01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:54,240 their entire sections that entire things that no one will 1219 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,810 know about. It's just it makes no sense. But it came. The 1220 01:15:57,810 --> 01:16:01,920 reason I say this, there was a long conversation about two 1221 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,270 podcasts, and one was slick and produce a little yuck, yuck, but 1222 01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:08,700 really nice. And they were self funding and they had a whole 1223 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:13,920 bunch of great stuff. And the other one was to get it was 1224 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,180 called it's Duchess called quote, homo, just gay is two 1225 01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:23,670 guys kind of talking, like Mo and I do mo facts about being 1226 01:16:23,670 --> 01:16:29,760 gay and life being gay. And it was really crappy quality. It 1227 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,550 was like they had face masks on, we're talking through the face 1228 01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:38,550 mask. But the content was so good and so compelling. So what 1229 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:44,070 is a good podcast? Does it have to also sound good? Does it have 1230 01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:48,540 to have a celebrity's hat? You know, I don't judge that they 1231 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:51,060 will, you can, I will never do that. Again, you can't. And I 1232 01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:54,210 think Podcast Awards need to come up with a different idea. I 1233 01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:58,500 love an industry group that stimulates the industry, and 1234 01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:02,850 that where people can connect and meet and do stuff. But 1235 01:17:02,850 --> 01:17:05,670 that's about it. I mean, awards is really kind of an elitist 1236 01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:08,970 thing that just really shouldn't exist anymore. I don't think 1237 01:17:09,210 --> 01:17:13,050 it's very limited podcast index doesn't do awards, maybe we do. 1238 01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:18,990 Maybe, maybe we have votes, that we have a way to pay for people 1239 01:17:18,990 --> 01:17:20,610 to vote with stuff on the internet. 1240 01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:25,590 And you know, I just got an email. And I sent him over to 1241 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:34,140 gave him the URLs. Let me just see if I can find this. This is 1242 01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:38,370 from James Potter, I think has he is he on the index? I've been 1243 01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:40,320 following the podcast index pretty closely. Do you have any 1244 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,170 plans to collect your aggregate ratings reviews as part of the 1245 01:17:43,170 --> 01:17:46,080 index? I have a huge database of these spanning all podcast and 1246 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,410 multiple apps. Let me know if I can be helpful somehow. But 1247 01:17:49,410 --> 01:17:54,720 yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Okay. And that's what I said. Okay, 1248 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,890 man, yeah, hook in 1249 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,610 exclamation point. Yeah. What? What does? I mean, like that. 1250 01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:01,470 That's something that I've thought about before, but I 1251 01:18:01,470 --> 01:18:06,360 hadn't done much thinking about it. And it was, mean, as far as 1252 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,930 ratings and that kind of thing there. There's no open source. I 1253 01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:12,900 mean, and all that stuff is so game bubble, and I've just, it 1254 01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:16,530 all just feels it just makes me You know, 1255 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,170 I don't know, it's very, it's very cringy. But if someone 1256 01:18:19,170 --> 01:18:22,020 wants to use the index to create it, of course. 1257 01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:27,120 Yeah. I mean, I could think I could think that we could open 1258 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:32,730 up an API endpoint for some sort of rating. I don't know, if 1259 01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:35,460 somebody can think of something good. I mean, yeah, yeah, open 1260 01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:36,000 for anything. 1261 01:18:36,030 --> 01:18:39,060 But that last thing we want to be doing is providing, you know, 1262 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:43,470 rating statistics. Yeah, we really see. 1263 01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:46,590 It's really gotta be binary, I would think it's got the ratings 1264 01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:49,590 like, on these rating systems, where you have like, one to five 1265 01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:53,130 stars and stuff like this all decimal crap. Yeah. Like, was, 1266 01:18:53,310 --> 01:18:57,810 you really need just kind of one thing? Was this podcast. Good. 1267 01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,340 Did you like it? Yes. No. 1268 01:18:59,519 --> 01:19:02,549 Yeah. I mean, again, it I think it's subjective. What I always 1269 01:19:02,549 --> 01:19:07,019 find interesting is I do want to follow people. So so if someone 1270 01:19:07,019 --> 01:19:10,259 says, Hey, I like this, or I like this, I like that. And I'd 1271 01:19:10,259 --> 01:19:11,939 like to follow that person. Because I'd like their 1272 01:19:11,939 --> 01:19:15,839 recommendations. That feels good to me. I can see that it's just 1273 01:19:15,839 --> 01:19:21,539 a general like, oh, a lot of people clicked like, I don't 1274 01:19:21,539 --> 01:19:24,989 find a lot of value in that. But and hey, we're not the experts. 1275 01:19:24,989 --> 01:19:27,659 So someone else will show up and, and we'll see what comes 1276 01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:28,229 out of it. 1277 01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:39,360 Yeah, let's do we want to get an email from Chris, who is a dude 1278 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,060 named Dan for a small church in West Virginia. And did you see 1279 01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:42,570 that email? 1280 01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,120 And I don't maybe 1281 01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:52,230 I wondered if we he's he talked about the sermon keyword spam 1282 01:19:52,230 --> 01:19:52,530 that we 1283 01:19:52,530 --> 01:19:56,910 talked about. Yes. Chris Paul can Okay. I think we can read 1284 01:19:56,910 --> 01:19:59,070 that. I don't see why not. 1285 01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:01,380 Yeah, he says I won't read the whole thing I'll just kind of 1286 01:20:01,380 --> 01:20:04,170 skim through he just basically says, I have no doubt your 1287 01:20:04,170 --> 01:20:07,080 keyword problem comes from some Well, meaning maybe cricket 1288 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:12,660 church consultants. Nailed it. Yeah, I guess that it's possible 1289 01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:14,850 that they figured out how to duplicate these fields and made 1290 01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:19,260 it look like a magic trick. Look how cool our setup is. He says, 1291 01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:22,470 but this was kind of interesting to me though. He said, I love 1292 01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:25,140 the fact that services like Squarespace make podcasting for 1293 01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:29,430 Dummies easy. But I don't like being captive captive, because I 1294 01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:33,300 can't do the code myself. If I offend the gatekeepers on the 1295 01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:36,090 platform with no way of rec reconnecting with my audience. 1296 01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:39,960 And the reason I printed that out, is because you were talking 1297 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:46,650 about that on your show with Mike and Todd. And talking about 1298 01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:50,280 just being D platformed. And you know, that kind of jazz but 1299 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:55,440 Right. And they, it's not just, when I saw that I started 1300 01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:59,430 thinking about, it's not just the Alex Jones type guys that 1301 01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:03,630 you have to worry about. It's kind of it's kind of flipped. 1302 01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:09,660 And we talked about this, I think was before where if you go 1303 01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:14,100 back maybe 20 years ago, and you thought about people being D 1304 01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:16,620 platformed. So to speak, quote, unquote, that wasn't a thing 1305 01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:21,060 then if you go back sort of even pre internet and talk about 1306 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:29,100 people being silenced or D platformed. It was atheists you 1307 01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:34,290 know, that sort of thing. Now it's is there's been this flip. 1308 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,380 So now the people that are worried about D being D 1309 01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:39,810 platformed, or not the atheist now the people worried about it 1310 01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:44,010 or the religious Yes. And that's just a good I think that's a 1311 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:50,490 good indicator that you can't pick a moment in time and say, 1312 01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:55,800 Okay, this is what the battle is going to be forever. Because it 1313 01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:59,970 things change and social movements change and things what 1314 01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:05,370 is now considered the oppressed and the oppressor easily flip 1315 01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:05,760 flop 1316 01:22:05,790 --> 01:22:08,310 easily flip it up a lot of it's taking place. 1317 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,080 Yeah. So we may not be you know, 1520 years from now, we may not 1318 01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:20,820 be talking about, about the the the conspiracy theorist quote 1319 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:25,080 unquote, crowd that are getting D platformed. We may be talking, 1320 01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:28,650 they may be in charge, and they may be D platforming. Everybody 1321 01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:29,040 else. 1322 01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:32,130 It was interesting. I was talking with Max and Stacy about 1323 01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:35,040 this today. He said, You know, we really want to retool our 1324 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,300 next phase retooling podcasting as a as a platform of value. And 1325 01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:44,790 I said the reason why is if we just sit and wait and say, Oh, 1326 01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:49,230 it's just a guy doing CBD sales online that he got financially D 1327 01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:55,320 platform. Oh, you know, it's just this particular crazy 1328 01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,160 Handmaid's Tale cult religion, it's okay that MasterCard 1329 01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,000 doesn't want to process for them. You can't do that. Because 1330 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:06,960 being on the lowest rung of the show business ladder, podcasters 1331 01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:13,650 do were on the list. Yeah. So it comes in different forms. And 1332 01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:15,600 this is really what we're talking about is some kind of 1333 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:21,300 sovereignty, you know. So just just to circle back to Chris's 1334 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:27,660 note, the number one thing is to, in general on the internet 1335 01:23:27,690 --> 01:23:31,860 is to have your and own your domain name. That will save you 1336 01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:39,450 so much aggravation, and sadness down the road. Own that, make 1337 01:23:39,450 --> 01:23:42,630 sure you own it, make sure you you keep it up to date that is 1338 01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:48,420 registered. And whatever you do, no matter where you do it. If 1339 01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:52,590 it's Squarespace, as long as it's your domain name, 1340 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,870 no.com.org, whatever it is, if you decide you need to change, 1341 01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:02,010 then you can always then it will be reasonably transparent for 1342 01:24:02,010 --> 01:24:10,770 the entire Internet. That said, Education is key. And I would 1343 01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:14,730 love to see every parent and Hey, old people and parents, you 1344 01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:19,680 could do this yourself. Grab an old laptop you threw out, find a 1345 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,240 Linux CD or learn how to download one and just wipe that 1346 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,730 laptop and install Linux and just see if you can get it 1347 01:24:26,730 --> 01:24:30,510 running. You will learn so much about the internet, that you 1348 01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:33,030 never understood how that worked. And it's kind of a fun 1349 01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:35,400 process and you certainly shouldn't make your kids do it. 1350 01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:40,230 When it comes to the RSS feed. I'd recommend anybody who can 1351 01:24:40,230 --> 01:24:45,570 read and can can sit still for five minutes can look at an RSS 1352 01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:51,210 feed. So you know if you see an RSS feed, click on it. In some 1353 01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:54,210 browsers, it may try to open something else up but see if you 1354 01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:57,210 can do a view source just see if you can see the actual file 1355 01:24:57,210 --> 01:25:01,860 itself. And just very slowly look at it and see if you see 1356 01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:07,740 some patterns. Because when we started 16 years ago, there were 1357 01:25:07,740 --> 01:25:12,690 a lot of people making their RSS feed and notepad by hand. Yeah, 1358 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,840 just a copy, paste, you know, here's an element, okay, I have 1359 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,590 to change these little things to timestamp. Now, this is all 1360 01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:23,010 automated Of course, which is why you have WordPress and 1361 01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:28,740 blueberry and Squarespace. But it behooves you to learn it, 1362 01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:31,200 just just look at it five minutes, and you're like, oh, 1363 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,230 okay, I see it. Here's the opening, it describes the show 1364 01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:39,240 what's in here? And then here's each episode, it's Oh, okay, I 1365 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,960 see it has a title, it has a link, it has a description, and 1366 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,990 you see that pattern. And man, it's going to benefit you big 1367 01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:49,710 time. Just understanding how it works. Or when you need to move 1368 01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:52,350 or do something else, you don't have to lose your audience. 1369 01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:56,190 Totally, totally agree it, may you still you still curate your 1370 01:25:56,790 --> 01:26:01,080 RSS feed by hand, you do write it and I do. Stick it in an 1371 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,390 editor and you clean it up by hand, right? 1372 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,410 Well, so I use the freedom. It's basically a freedom controller 1373 01:26:07,410 --> 01:26:13,080 RSS outline. But for each new episode, I copy the previous 1374 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,690 one. So I'm incrementing everything by one, you know, I'm 1375 01:26:15,690 --> 01:26:19,860 a human AI on this. And I go very carefully, and I make sure 1376 01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:22,620 everything's in there. And you know, I need to include show 1377 01:26:22,620 --> 01:26:25,110 notes. And I have a process, which is a checklist, which I 1378 01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:30,330 cannot do by memory. Yeah. And I like it. I like seeing I 1379 01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:35,370 actually see, it's almost an exact representation of the code 1380 01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:39,330 that your app is going to see. I like looking at it. This make 1381 01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:43,110 sense? Okay, this is good. And then yeah, I hit Save. And then 1382 01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:44,850 then I drop it on the server. 1383 01:26:45,719 --> 01:26:49,619 And that's an interesting thing for people who are not, like 1384 01:26:49,619 --> 01:26:53,489 super techy, or that kind of thing, like you were talking 1385 01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:57,209 about would be to make a make a feed, like in Notepad, that kind 1386 01:26:57,209 --> 01:27:01,019 of thing. And then drop submitted to the podcast and 1387 01:27:01,379 --> 01:27:04,949 watch what happens. And make a change to it and then see it 1388 01:27:04,949 --> 01:27:08,639 update. Like that's, that's an interesting thing, or see it not 1389 01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:11,549 update and then wonder what you did wrong. Big thought 1390 01:27:11,549 --> 01:27:12,119 experiment, the 1391 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,420 topic, how are we doing on submissions, adding feeds, 1392 01:27:16,139 --> 01:27:20,819 it's just a steady stream coming in is still roughly 60 to 100. 1393 01:27:20,819 --> 01:27:21,239 Today, 1394 01:27:21,269 --> 01:27:24,329 do you have any overview of who's connected to us now? I 1395 01:27:24,329 --> 01:27:27,359 mean, I know that drunk playdough was working on the 1396 01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:31,589 website, and we're gonna get a whole page, kind of a developer 1397 01:27:31,589 --> 01:27:36,089 page, but developers slash who's who's doing what page? So we can 1398 01:27:36,089 --> 01:27:37,049 feature everybody. 1399 01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:40,890 Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna have to do that. Because it's, I 1400 01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:44,850 know, we're still the same guys that we talked about last week. 1401 01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:49,110 And I think, if I'm not mistaken, blueberry is moving. 1402 01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:52,020 Yeah. I don't know if they're doing it yet. But I know that 1403 01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:57,390 their developers are working on it. Yes. Mike. Dell has that 1404 01:27:57,420 --> 01:28:01,320 name. Yeah, he was he was in in there. And then Todd was was 1405 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,930 telling me when he gave me that feedback about duplication. He 1406 01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:07,860 was saying that he had his guys working on on doing that. That 1407 01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:11,970 submission process. Nice. Nice coming up soon. That's yeah, 1408 01:28:11,970 --> 01:28:14,670 that's all automated. We can pull once that page gets up. 1409 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,350 When drunk. Playdough finishes the redesign. Cool. It should 1410 01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:25,050 shouldn't be hard. Cool. Very cool. That's about all I got 1411 01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:25,710 today, man. 1412 01:28:25,860 --> 01:28:29,160 Yeah, I'm trying to think if I had anything else on my list 1413 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:30,990 here. We'll get 1414 01:28:31,650 --> 01:28:34,080 into clip five Michelle Obama. 1415 01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:41,910 Okay, baller Yes, indeed. That's me. 1416 01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:47,370 scraping the bottom with Wow clips Evans pretty good track 1417 01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:50,850 clip seven. I'm not dead. I'm just doing a podcast. 1418 01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:57,090 I may keep that that's a good end of show. I so that's right, 1419 01:28:57,090 --> 01:29:02,070 everybody. Hey, not dead. I'm just doing a podcast. See that? 1420 01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:06,540 It's funny. But at the same time, why? Michelle? Why? Why do 1421 01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:09,960 you make Why do you take us down to such a low level? That is so 1422 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,930 unfair. We feel very professional here. We feel like 1423 01:29:12,930 --> 01:29:14,850 we're doing good stuff. And we're very alive. 1424 01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:17,940 Yeah, no, absolutely not dead yet. But we felt like that 1425 01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:19,200 sometimes. Dave 1426 01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,970 good to catch up, man. And anything you need to look 1427 01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:26,130 forward to? It's just heads down keeping them moving. 1428 01:29:27,089 --> 01:29:32,069 Yeah, I guess so. There's just some one thing I'm going to, you 1429 01:29:32,069 --> 01:29:34,139 know, always tell you exactly what I'm going to do and then 1430 01:29:34,139 --> 01:29:37,889 don't do any of course. The thing I'm not going to do this 1431 01:29:37,889 --> 01:29:43,859 week, right is the search non English language search. 1432 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,750 Oh, that's gonna be fun. No, no, it's not. Yeah, I seen the 1433 01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:54,420 Arabic come through. I've seen some kanji, some Chinese all 1434 01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:57,480 kinds of Oh, yeah. This is where it gets really fun. Yeah, 1435 01:29:57,990 --> 01:30:03,720 Unicode search is Is it I mean, very doable clearly, but it's 1436 01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,360 not the easiest thing in the world to get get set up. So I've 1437 01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:11,010 cloned, I've cloned the search server over to a separate box. 1438 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,390 And I'm going to start playing with it and get that, get that 1439 01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:19,740 working properly, you got to define all your unit code ranges 1440 01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:23,490 and all this kind of jazz. So I'm going to tinker around with 1441 01:30:23,490 --> 01:30:26,340 it, get that work. And then once it's solid, then I'll pull it 1442 01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:29,850 back in and replace the current server with that one that's in 1443 01:30:29,850 --> 01:30:30,360 the mix. 1444 01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:35,250 Excellent. Please consider supporting the podcast index the 1445 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,990 entire project with your time, your talent or your treasure. If 1446 01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:42,660 it's treasure you'd like to share whatever you feel this is 1447 01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:47,520 worth to you. This project and keeping it going. There's a 1448 01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:50,580 Donate button at podcast index.org Or if you're developer 1449 01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:54,900 on the development site, and spread the word get people 1450 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:58,860 joining up, get them to API dot podcast index.org or podcast 1451 01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:02,340 index dot social, Dave. We'll catch up again 1452 01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:04,740 next Friday. Man sounds good. 1453 01:31:04,770 --> 01:31:08,580 Alright, everybody. Have a great weekend. We are reinventing 1454 01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:09,270 podcasts.