Podcasting 2.0 for March 28th, 2025, episode
216, Salty Sage.
Hello, everybody.
Welcome once again to Podcasting 2.0. We
are not a product.
We are not a service.
We're a concept.
We're a podcast.
No, wait, we're a boardroom.
Yes, the board meeting takes place every single
Friday.
And just in case you didn't know, we
are the only boardroom that has not read
the entire Infinite Dial report.
I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the
man who somehow still has time to write
blog posts.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.
I was dangerously close to needing the homeleck
right there.
Yeah.
Were you choking on your beef milkshake?
No, I was like, I was furiously trying
to get that chicken salad, that bite of
chicken salad to go down before the, before
you hit the post.
Oh, you're eating chicken salad.
That's a departure from your regular beef.
No, I've got beef milkshake.
That's my drink to go with the chicken.
No, I'm up in the like, I'm up
in the like 900 calorie range for this
lunch right now.
Your diet is something else, man.
It should have its own podcast.
Dave's diet needs its own podcast.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
It's only on Friday.
I mean, it's funny, what I eat on
a daily basis is, I'm a very consistent
person.
Like I do this, I tend to do
the same thing every single day.
That's what I heard from your wife.
No, she makes fun of me for it.
She makes fun of me for it because
I'm, I'm so, I'm just like a, you
know, like one of those, like Matlock or
whatever.
He's got like 12 of the same suit
in his closet.
That's very much like me.
So I tend to, I mean, I eat,
I eat a half pound beef patty for
breakfast every morning.
I eat.
Raw, right?
Just raw, just a raw beef patty.
Raw, I'm the pot sage.
I'm the pot sage.
Yeah.
And then, uh, yeah.
And this, and then, uh, a protein, a
beef protein shake for lunch with a salad
and then whatever we fix for dinner.
I mean, every single day, but on Fridays,
I'm so pressed for time.
When I hit the door of my house,
I have about 10 minutes to get into
the podcast room to get going on this.
And so I'm like throwing stuff together, beef
milkshake as fast as I can.
And then whatever's in the fridge, you literally
just glob mayonnaise onto the, onto the bread.
Don't even spread it.
We spread it with your hands.
Like, yeah.
Sometimes I end up with popcorn.
Sometimes I end up with like a bag
of, you know, a bag of nuts, you
know, it's beautiful.
Beautiful.
Well, maybe that explains it because you are
now officially salty sage.
You're salty sage, man.
What does that mean?
I don't understand.
Okay.
I will explain it to you.
What is, what is this reference?
I will explain salty sage to put it
bluntly, stop complaining about YouTube.
If you can't even do what they do,
if you only do half of a thing,
someone else will come along and do the
other half.
And that's on us for not finishing salty
sage, cracking the whip.
I love it.
Is it true?
No, it's absolutely true.
But when it comes from you, in fact,
that's going to be a show title.
I think, I think it's a show title
candidates, salty sage.
When it comes from you, people pay attention.
When it comes from me, it's like, Oh,
that's just curry.
It's a different one.
It comes through.
That's because I'm, you know, I'm almost spicy
all the time.
Yes.
I'm always like that.
And when they have a, a, um, spicy,
uh, have a measured and appropriate use of
spice.
That's correct.
And, and I'm just spicy all over the
place.
Yeah.
And people just like he's too hot.
He's hot curry.
He's too hot to handle.
I can't handle him.
He's too hot to handle.
I had a radio show called hot curry
at one point.
I did.
It was like a hot curry.
Yeah.
That's exactly what it was like.
I need, I need a, I need some
clips from hot curry.
Boost.
Okay.
Yes, everybody.
We are live.
We are lit.
And that is exactly the topic of Dave
Jones.
The pod say just most recent blog post.
Uh, do you want to talk about that
now?
Cause I have some other things I think
we should get into, but, uh, it was
top of mind for me.
Well, whatever.
I mean, we, we can do whatever.
I have no agenda today.
No, I have it, uh, on Sunday and
Thursday.
Let me, uh, well, I'll ease you into
it.
So every, uh, every one of my favorite,
uh, podcast listens was about the infinite dial
report, the infinite, even pivot, even pivot was
like, it's the infinite dial report.
Let's talk about it.
Now that prof G have you read the
infinite dollar report?
I'm sure he has.
Well, that's a, those are hate listens, but,
uh, podcast weekly review power and, uh, the
new media show.
It was great.
I was walking the dog during both of
my, my afternoon and my evening walk.
I was able to, uh, to get the
whole infinite dial report without even touching it
because Todd and Rob basically sat there and
read it throughout the whole show.
This is like, okay, this, this is like,
uh, security now podcast, which I'm not going
to throw shade.
I love Steve Gibson.
I love that show, but it really is
him just reading five different, like 1500 word
articles during the show is sometimes I have
to skip around, you know?
Well, in this case it was, it was
quite, uh, it was quite interesting.
And there's really only one thing that stuck
out to me because of course everyone's like
video, audio, YouTube, podcast, uh, just Spotify.
You're bringing this up cause I've heard, I've
heard none of this.
Well, there's only one, uh, um, no, there's
actually two takeaways from the entire report as
I have distilled it from the distillation already
done by our colleagues over at a power
and then new media show.
Now, to distill this, did you use Microsoft
co-pilot to convert the transcript?
Yes, I did.
You mean like Satya Nadella?
Yeah.
It's much more exciting.
What an a-hole.
Everybody reported it as if it was a
real thing.
He doesn't do that.
Give me a break.
That's like a self-serving ad for co
-pilot.
I find it much more interesting to interact
with the co-pilot on the transcript of
the podcast.
It's much better in the car.
It's much better.
No, it's not.
That is a load of horse crap.
In his pants.
Yes, that's horse crap.
Uh, no, the, the number that really could,
you know, everything is at 97%.
Everything's 97%.
Uh, climate change.
Climate change.
That's the amount of scientists who agree, uh,
on anthropogenic anthropogenic anthropogenic human anthropogenic.
I wonder if that, that, that has this
feeling like it might be real.
Let's see.
I got it.
I'm trying to find this.
Anthropometric is in world.
That's close.
And pretty close.
What is it?
What is the anthropogenic?
Is that it?
Is that anthropogenic?
No, that can't be it.
Anthropogenic?
No, no, that's not.
Now I'm originating in human activity.
Okay.
Anthropogenic.
Well, what did I say?
Anthropogenic.
That's my new term.
Yes.
No, everything was kind of up there, you
know, podcast listening is up.
And then there's a lot of, you know,
discussion about, well, they said, you know, consumed
a podcast.
What does that mean?
Well, to me, it means you ate it,
but okay.
You consumed a podcast.
Well, that could be more video, audio, video,
audio, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Here's the one that interested me the most.
And I thank, I thank God for bringing
us Tom Webster the other week.
I really got a lot out of that.
Me too.
In fact, something I almost never do.
I listened to our own show.
I did too.
And I never do that either.
How about that?
I did too.
I listened to almost the whole thing.
Yeah.
Cause I want to make sure that I
heard everything he was saying and the things
he wasn't saying, but he was saying without
him knowing it, you know, the intent underlying
things.
Yeah.
It's a little hard when you're listening to
Tom Webster to get past the I'm Tom
Webster and I have important, interesting things to
say.
You know, he's the guy has got a
set of pipes that won't quit.
He does.
And he was talking about the, how people
still get in the car and listen to
AM, FM radio and the infinite dial report,
which now the infinite dial report has been
around for a long time.
I think it's 25, 26 years.
And they've really upped the amount of respondents
and you know, it's a, you know, statistics
wasn't no lies, damn lies and statistics, but
they kind of know what they're doing.
I'm I don't like that they're sponsored by
companies in the business.
I don't like that.
Yeah.
I think that's unfortunate, but you know, I
guess we can't all be Pew research, Pew
research, Pew, Pew this, the infinite dial just
to be clear is not podcast specific.
No, it's a, it's right.
No.
In fact, they had social media stuff in
there.
And I really don't care for the podcast
industrial complex in general, this obsession with numbers.
And I mean, it's just, I don't care
for it because just like radio and television,
we really have crap measurement.
We really don't know what's going on.
I guess some streaming stuff, but anyway, the
number that interested me the most, where I
see the most growth potential was in the
car because in the car, people who use
their phone and I'm just kind of rounding
up the numbers and going by what I
remember, uh, cause that's just as good as
the actual number as far as I'm concerned,
not in my car.
Well, right between, um, CarPlay and Android auto,
it was about 40% of people who
use their phone in the car.
Wow.
What a lot of opportunity there is there.
And I think it's mainly two reasons.
One is they don't have great interfaces.
Um, it's, and that's kind of comes back
to what Tom Webster, Webster was saying, you
know, I don't really, well, no, they have
great interfaces for podcast listening, but there's not
really a serendipity discovery, spinning the dial type,
uh, type experience, which funny enough, we're working
on a version of that.
It was to me, it was kind of
like, Oh, there's confirmation.
Um, but also that's where people are going
to listen and that's, everyone's going back to
work.
Now we've got commute times have come back
in the whole world is eventually moving back
to going to an office, not everybody, but
I think we're going to see most people
going back.
We're seeing, um, car manufacturers kind of giving
up on the in-car entertainment.
As far as I can tell, it seems
like, uh, it's, it's half-hearted attempt.
Yeah.
Um, because you know, you're, you're bringing your
own, you're bringing your own entertainment.
Everything is on your phone, um, in order
to sync media and do stuff and rip
you away from what you already have and
bring it into the car.
I think it's very, very difficult.
So, you know, that's why, you know, Sirius
XM, I'm sure I don't think Sirius XM
was, I don't remember if they even had
a number for that.
Uh, but AMF from radio, I understand.
And, uh, it once again dawned on me
that, you know, there's, so that's, that's the,
that's the opportunity.
YouTube does not have a great in-car
experience that just don't.
I don't, I don't know what the, again,
cause my car is not, you know, the
most modern car we have is from 2012.
And, uh, and the, even at the time,
the, in that Honda, it was not a
great system.
So like, and my other two, the other
two vehicles that we have don't even, you
know, they're from the 60s.
So they don't even have, one of them
doesn't even have a radio.
So I'm not, I'm, I'm really sort of
at a disadvantage here to know what the
modern car in-car experience is for any
of these apps.
Well, I mean, what is possible?
I mean, uh, if you look at a
navigation app, if you look at ways, which
I have to admit, I use that because
it's really good.
Although I know Google is listening to me,
watching me, you know, checking my blood pressure.
Uh, I mean, the screens interactive, you can
touch stuff, you can zoom in, you can,
you know, it pops up dialogues for, for,
for warnings that are user generated.
There's a, it's a, you can do a
lot of great things with it.
Um, in general, podcast apps kind of all
do the same thing, you know, what you'd
expect inbox type, uh, inbox, most recent you're,
you're, I mean, just the base, the basic
stuff.
So not a, I mean, it's old listings,
really.
It's not even a, I don't think anyone's
even drawing boxes on the screen or anything.
So there is just so much opportunity to
create a kick-ass exciting experience for in
-car entertainment.
And what's I think interesting, and we're discovering
this, what's interesting is the, the addition of
the live tag.
Ooh, see how it, I did there.
The additional, the addition of the live tag
can really add some excitement, serendipity, and push
button, uh, experience of discovery to the entire
in-car listening experience.
And now that the lit tag and live
streams are an integrated part of the RSS
feed ecosystem, or as some say, ecosystem, pivot,
hate, listen.
Um, I think that that is a very
exciting thing for app developers to take a
look at.
I mean, you can even, I mean, TuneIn,
TuneIn had the right idea, but they got
greedy and they got too much venture capital
money and they overhired.
And they were really creating just the, a
directory of radio stations.
And they forgot to put all the, the,
the good thinking into it.
They were just like, oh, we can charge
these guys money.
Give me money.
Give me money to get listed.
And they never really got the podcasting part
right.
SiriusXM is similar.
Um, they, they try to do something kind
of interesting with their app, but it already
breaks the whole concept of, for me, SiriusXM
breaks the concept of radio in general.
You know, I've never had a radio that
I had to put a quarter into to
listen.
And that's pretty much what, what, you know,
oh, you can get this exclusive live stream,
subscribe to this.
So there is just ample opportunity and clearly
a long way to go.
There's 60% of people.
Now I'm sure there's a number of people
who don't even have CarPlay, et cetera, in
their vehicle, but they still may be connecting
their phone to Bluetooth and, um, like the
Audible app.
I don't know if you've ever used the
Audible app in car mode.
I have not.
I've used, well, wait, wait, I have used
it on car mode on the, on the
device.
I haven't used it in car mode in
a car.
So it's, it's a quite interesting concept.
You know, it's like, this is kind of,
you know, if you don't have CarPlay or
Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay
is appropriate.
Apple Play, um, the CarPlay or Android audio,
then you have a, you know, you, you
still have your holder for your phone and
you kind of stick it on your dashboard
and it removes all of the small things,
gives you big buttons.
And I just felt like there was so
much opportunity.
And then, uh, yesterday I read your blog
post and I'm like, oh, perfect.
And maybe you want to summarize what you
were saying there, because again, coming from you,
especially coming from Salty Sage, it's so much
more impactful.
Um, yeah.
So I mean, I didn't, when I usually
write blog posts, it's on sub stack, but,
um, it just, it just doesn't feel, I
don't know, it just doesn't feel right that
so, um, and I've had, I've had blogs,
many blogs over the years.
Um, and I finally just decided to get,
um, to re to restart a personal blog.
And a lot of it goes to, um,
by the way, I see it's not a
freedom controller based blog.
It's no, it's not.
It it's a, um, it's using a thing
called, uh, Zola and, uh, it's kind of
like Hugo, it's a static site generator.
Uh, but Zola is written in, uh, it's
a rust, uh, coded in rust.
And so, but it supports like the, the
Hugo, uh, template language and all that kind
of stuff.
And one, one of the problems with, so
I, I finally figured out that, um, I've
been looking for a good blog domain name
for months.
And I finally, uh, figured out that, uh,
that I could get that one, uh, davejones
.blog. Um, and, and it wasn't too much.
So I, I spun that up on a,
it's just running on an S3 bucket.
Um, yeah, you just drop the static files
in there.
Yeah.
Put it behind cloudflare.
It's good to go.
It's cost me like, you know, it cost
me like 5 cents a month.
So, uh, not, so it was pretty simple.
One of the things, one of the problems
you get into when you, when you roll
a new, uh, blog site always is you
end up getting, uh, sort of obsessive about
the blog itself and the way it looks
and everything.
Yeah.
So you can spend hours going down the
rabbit hole.
And I really have, I find that process
so tedious.
I was like, please, I want this thing
and a theme and I just want to
be done with it.
There was still a little bit of that
that happened.
Uh, because like, I, I, all I want
out of a blog is, is the content.
I don't want any like crap.
Yeah.
You know, I just want it to be
like a newspaper.
What?
You don't want a skyscraper banner?
Yeah.
And like, you know, pop ups and all
this.
Oh, it's just so annoying.
So anyway, it's stripped most of that out.
But anyway, the, um, I think one of
the things that maybe finally decided to pull
the trigger and, and actually do a roll
a blog is that, um, it's become pretty
clear over the last few months that, that
it's not, I wouldn't say marketing is the
problem with podcasting, uh, 2.0 and the
namespace.
It's, it's just pure evangelism.
There's a, there's just a lack of it.
And in a specific, and I think it's
in a really specific way.
What I mean is there needs to be,
uh, a consistent voice that is describing these
thing.
There's describing these features in a way that
is both technical and, um, political and ideological,
but it has to be sort of all
of it.
It needs to be, that's why this post
is so long is because it takes, you
can't just say, and this is the mistake,
a little bit of the mistake that I've
made in the past with, with writing, uh,
posts about features is I tend to get
really focused on the tech, which makes sense
because, I mean, these are technical contributions, technical
implementations, but, um, no, this is different, Daniel.
This is, I see what you're saying, but
this, what I'm saying is a little bit
different than podcasting2.org.
Um, that that's podcasting2.org.
Another fine initiative, another fine initiative.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's brilliant as a reference site
and as a sort of portal into the
namespace, but there needs to be, I think
some long form articles that go through that
start with, you know, here's a, here's, here's
a problem.
Uh, excuse me.
He starts with, here's the framework of the
world as it is.
There are some problems with this framework.
There's a solution that was created.
Here is the way the solution is thought
to address the problem.
And then here's the technical implementation of how
that happens.
And finally, why you should care and, and
put effort behind it.
That's a good format.
And that is exactly what you did.
That's a good format.
I like that.
And it, by nature, these are going to
be, you know, there it's, it's long.
I mean, I've, I've probably got three and
a half, four hours in this post to
writing.
I don't know if it's right, if writing
is hard for everybody, but it's, it writing
well takes me a long time and just
a lot of, there's a lot of thinking
through it.
Mark, did you write this in, is this
Markdown?
It is in Markdown.
Yeah.
So it's so beautiful when you do it
in Markdown, you get code snippets and you
know, it's just, it's a good way to
write it.
Yeah.
It's, it's so much, it's just, it, it
felt Markdown.
It feels like it makes, uh, makes things
easier to me than even WordPress, you know?
But, um, so the point, you know, there's
a, a few points I was trying to
hit, you know, one, one of them is
the, the podcast like the podcasts, the podcasting
itself, you know, specifically being defined as adding
the enclosure tag to an RSS feed, um,
was so early in the era of linear
broadcasting to digital.
Does that transition?
Um, if it had had, if, if RSS
had had live and funding support from the
beginning, it really could have been the default
place where the like entertainment, as we know
it landed with a huge choice of different
apps to pick from.
Uh, like what I'm saying is, is podcasting
today, it could be where we go to
get our, all of our content.
I am in total agreement.
Right now, instead, today in 2024, if podcast,
if the, if live and funding and, uh,
and some other things like Russell's, uh, L4O2
implementation, if some of those things had been
in place, micropayments back in 2000, 2001, we
may not have things like Hulu, Spotify, you
know, these, we may not have those things
today.
What instead we may have a, a, a,
a list of 40 different apps to choose
from that you go and, and you're really,
it's podcast behind the scenes and you're buying
content on it.
You're, you're, you know, sending payments, you're listening
to live events.
It really could have been just the natural
transition because what happened was people went from,
um, initially it was websites.
The media, the big media companies went from,
uh, you know, they launched, they all launched
websites and then you would have to go
like, if you wanted to go watch the
masters or whatever, instead of, uh, on, instead
of on TV, you would go to, you
know, CBS website and they would have a
live stream of the masters.
Well, they went to the web.
They could have gone to podcasting, which is
just the web.
Well, but just to interject two things, one
in the old country, we say if the
queen had balls, she'd be King.
The second one is that is exactly why
RSS was a threat to companies like Google.
Exactly for that reason.
Oh no, we're the aggregator.
We can't have people doing that themselves.
Yeah, it was, it was subversive to that,
to the, to the, uh, to the Yep.
Um, and so like, I think live is
so critically important because if you look at
it in those terms, looking back on history
that the missing live piece made it where
it, it didn't fit.
It was not a, it was not a
real alternative.
It wasn't an, it wasn't a choice, right?
You could, because everybody, every media publisher is
going to have some form of live and
on demand.
And so what you ended up with was
these, like this thing that we, that we
call podcasting, which is supposedly on demand, but
you don't have a full catalog.
You have a curation.
So like, think about it and think about
it in these terms.
Um, like, uh, John MacArthur, like great, the
grace to you ministry.
This one comes to mind because I was
doing something with Godcaster this morning and, uh,
and ran into it.
If so, he's a preacher that in, he's
at grace church out in California.
You have three different ways to hear that
material.
You can turn it, you can tune into
a Christian radio station and hear, hear it
in a linear fashion.
It's just a live broadcast.
You can go to the blog, excuse me,
you can go to the podcast and then
you're going to get a curated list of
selected sermons from that ministry uh, that they
choose.
Or you can go directly to the website
or their app and that's got the full
catalog.
That's a fully on demand experience.
And so in that you can search every
sermon he's ever preached and listen to whichever
one you want.
So, so podcasting exists in this sort of
center lane where it's not a true on
demand because you don't have access to the
full catalog and you don't pick what is
in that limited catalog.
Um, but it's not live either.
And so it's a, it's a sort of
middle ground.
And in order to make it, um, in
order to make it more fit with my,
with the modern media landscape, we need to
move, we've got to add the live piece.
Uh, cause the lives, the live piece truly
puts it on par with something like, um,
Spotify or Sirius XM or YouTube or something
like that.
If it doesn't have it, it's never going
to be seen as an equal.
I agree.
Yeah.
Um, so that, that's, that's where, I think
that's where we're at in, in, like Apple
pocket casts, um, overcast Castro.
These apps really, they, they need to support
live.
They, they just do.
They need the, it's, uh, you know, understand
that, understand the development cycle and that kind
of thing, but they, they really do just
need to add this support, uh, because it's
not, there is content out there.
There is plenty of live content.
I see stuff popping up in my life.
If you follow on the Fediverse, if you
follow the, uh, podcast, live podcasts, live at
podcast index dot social, that's John Spurlock's bot.
Every time a new podcast goes live and
start streaming, that thing pops up right now.
One just, you know, of course ours popped
up earlier and now one just popped up
called King's hero.
King heroes journey podcast is going live.
I don't even know what this is.
That's all pod ping signaling, right?
Yeah.
And every time one part, so there is
content out there going live every single day.
Um, and, and if those, all it would
take would be for one of those larger
apps to implement this, uh, support for this.
And then you would see an, an immediate
uptake in, in publishers and content creators go
supporting this because posts like rss.com, uh,
pod home, there are, they already got support
for the blueberry.
They've got support for this already.
And, and if you, if you know how
to do live content, you already have a
live stream somewhere.
Yeah.
Spending up a live stream is not difficult.
Uh, and it's, it's typically when it's audio,
it's typically not very expensive.
May I introduce you to liquid soap programming
language?
Please.
I have no idea what that is.
It's what you said.
Not difficult.
Well, no, that different, different contexts.
We'll get back to that later.
Oh no.
I mean, it's fun to talk about it
now.
I'm, I'm, well, I mean, it's because I,
I've been spinning up radio streams and, uh,
I had a very harrowing AI experience.
Oh, I want to hear about that.
Well, so I was able to successfully configure,
um, ice cast and liquid soap, well, pretty
straightforward stuff.
Uh, but then I wanted to customize how,
how it was working.
And this is a very mature language.
I mean, but it's a, um, uh, it's
a, what do you call it in programming?
You call it a, uh, um, I'm trying
to think what it's called a functional language.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which is very different from Adam's shell scripting
experience.
The Adam shell scripting experience.
That's like a ride at Disney.
It is.
Well, that's pretty much what it was because
I went through it with, you know, I
figured, okay, well chat GPT and a couple
of these AIs should be able to help
me.
This is what they're good at, right?
They're right.
They can do it.
He can do it.
Oh yeah.
If they're good at anything is coding, right?
That's what I was led to understand.
So, so I start, you know, I have
a simple playlist and then I just want
to add some crossfade functions, uh, based upon
what I want to do.
It's very sophisticated.
You can, you can make the next track
start.
If the, um, if the previous track dips
below 30 decibels, you know, so you have
a great crossfade in a, in a long
fade out song.
I mean, it's just great stuff.
And, uh, so I start to tinker with
it and of course, syntax error, syntax error.
So, okay.
All right.
Chat GPT and chat GPT just takes me
down this path.
And it keeps saying, Oh Adam, you're almost
there.
Would this one?
Oh, really nail it.
We'll get this working very soon.
It literally said you're almost there.
Oh yeah.
Many times.
And then it would throw like a skull
emoji.
Oh no, it looks like we're in liquid
soap.
Hell, well, we've got to do this.
And it was just, it went, what chat
was this?
It was a four, four Oh, whatever it
is.
A certain point I was using it so
long.
It went, sorry, you've used this model too
long.
Switching to a piece of crap model.
I'm like, okay, I'll upgrade.
So I'm paying 20 bucks a month now
for this thing.
And, uh, and I just keep going and
I can see it's going in circles and
I say, are you going to say, are
you sure you have the documentation?
And I link and yo, yeah, no, I've
got all the, cause the documentation is super
extensive.
It's got everything.
And, um, and then it just keeps on
going and it keeps throwing errors and it
keeps telling me we're almost there.
Adam keeps telling me we're going to nail
it this time.
And then it goes to, well, it looks
like we have to recompile your kernel.
I'm like, okay, good night.
Yes.
Holy crap.
They went to the nuclear option.
Oh, it actually said, we're going to take
the nuclear option on this at some point.
I mean, it was so obvious.
It had no idea what it was doing.
It was really, really severely disappointing.
You know what this is?
Okay.
It just, it hits me right now.
Talking to one of these AI agents is,
or AI chatbots is like, it's like talking
to a crazy person.
Genius.
It's like talking to Ted Kaczynski, where you're
like, they, they bait you in because they're
brilliant.
And then they'll just say something.
You're like, Whoa, what?
You're an idiot.
You're crazy.
Like you literally like they they're genius, but
they're also completely insane at the same time.
Hmm.
Yeah.
So anyway my point is there's a lot
of great tools.
I mean, liquid soap is truly, truly a
masterful at what it can do.
And that includes, you know, if you want
to go live and you, and you know,
and the server can start, you can tell
that in, you can do all, it means
so many things.
It's all open source.
It's all out there.
It's beautiful.
There are many, many tools available and right
now could not be a better time.
And I wouldn't just, I wouldn't say just
the bigger apps, anybody who does anything that
kind of combines these two with some discovery
and throw in streams, man, there's a, there's
directories of streams that are off the hook.
There's so much content out there.
So much.
I mean, you could have your own, you
know, your own podcast station that's running pod.
I mean, there's a million different things you
can do, but we're still, Oh, well, I'm
a broken record on that, that we're stuck
in this inbox model.
So, but there's existing apps out there that
can add in other stuff that they, that
they don't have that they may already be
doing.
So your point is completely valid of, of
merging these two, which is, I mean, that,
which brings me to the next point, which
also came from the infinite dial.
And that is one that people have been
just, we haven't gotten it off the ground.
And that is some type of community interaction.
Now fountain does this very well.
And I think Sam, I I'm very excited
about the forthcoming app versions of true fans
because I think that there's a, I think
Sam sees it and it'll come down to
implementation as always does.
But the idea that you can interact with
that group around a podcast or a media
property.
That's what YouTube does very well.
It does it.
That's what Spotify has tried.
You know, we kind of got stuck on
the idea of cross app comments and there's
lots of stuff that comes into this that
we'll bump into again, you know, moderation, all
this different stuff, but even just the beauty
of having a board, I have a troll
room and I have a boardroom and I
have a lit tag on both of my
most important shows.
And it is truly a wonderful experience.
I mean, we've got people, how many are
you got 52 in the boardroom?
They are, are they all active?
Let me see.
I don't know if they're all active, but
they're logged in.
Yeah, it looks like it.
And, you know, they hang out after the
show.
That's what no agenda stream is, you know,
it's no agenda dot stream.
It's, it's unbelievable.
There's a whole community in there and, and
they have basically a radio station, the no
agenda stream.
And, you know, and people are in there
and they'll be like, oh, this show sucks,
but they're still in there and they'll still
be hanging out.
And so adding this feature has just been
lagging.
And that's really where your, your final salty
sage line landed.
You know, it's like, Hey, you know, if
we don't do what they're doing, we're not
even adding the basics.
Then shut up already.
That's exactly what you said.
Shut up already, but I see it right
here is a direct quote.
Yes.
The last line of this, this really comes
down.
All of this really comes down to implementation.
Like you said, the tech part of it
is not that hard.
Most of the time.
I'm not going to say none of it's
hard because some of it, some of it
actually is pretty hard, but maybe there's a
better way to say that.
It's not, I don't think the tech is
what keeps people from doing these, some of
these things.
I don't think it's ever the tech.
Um, like, and I've made this, I think
I made this comment a few weeks ago
is if you look at RSS itself, it's
a total mess.
I mean, the RS, the RSS 2.0
specification as written by Dave Weiner, uh, that
is still, you know, this, what, what, what
all this is based on, it's a complete,
it's just a complete mess.
And the fact that we may like we,
the fact that this thing works, it is,
what that tells you is that the tech
part is not the thing that's going to
hold anything back.
Right.
It's, it's really, it's more, it's a will
to do it.
And it is the clear vision of what
to do.
And so I tried to make that point
in this, in this article as well, that
when you, when you just, when you have
a standard or a specification, the parts of
that specification, you know, and the parts of
that specification carry meaning with them.
So when I'm a podcast app developer and
I am writing, I'm parsing an RSS feed
and I'm, I hit the item tag.
I know in my head that that item
tag means episode.
That's, that's what this thing really is.
It's an episode of an audio program.
And so that meaning, it becomes, that meaning
is attached by me to this tech, to
this technical description that I'm seeing.
Now there's modifiers that can happen to that.
And this, this goes into the realm of
why we, why we always say the names
are not important because item, what does that
mean?
It's the most generic term ever.
We don't know that this is an episode
because the name of the tag is item.
We know that it's an episode because we
know that item means episode in the context
of a podcast RSS feed.
Or item as blog post or item as
a song track, et cetera.
Yes.
So if you look at the pod, at
the RSS feed of my blog, if you
just open it up, there's an item right
there.
And I know that if I'm writing in
the content, if I'm writing an app in
the context of a blog reader, that item
means article.
But if I'm writing a app in the
context of a podcast app and I'm dealing
with XML, I know that item means episode
show.
It means audio episode or video episode, whatever.
It means an episode of a show.
Mm.
And so those meanings that we attach in
the, in a, in their proper context have,
they, they are the, that's what does all
the work.
To make it even crazier.
This may be even a better example because
I'm looking at your RSS feed because I
do what the pod Sage tells me to
do.
Go and look at the RSS feed.
Um, your actual article is under the description
tag.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yes.
So what is that describing?
Yeah, it's, it's literally the article, but it's
not a description of the article.
No, it's the, and here, let's, okay, let's
keep going.
Let's keep going down this track.
The description in the RSS feed is the
article.
Yeah.
But in my template language for the blog
itself, the description is a summary, a short
summary of the article.
So there's another word in the template language.
That's right.
Description considering that's not the article, right?
These names don't, these names don't mean anything
and we don't expect them to mean anything
most of the time in order to point.
And I was actually, I want to, I
want to actually read this real quick.
This is, I've been, I started reading a
book a couple of weeks ago called a
ancient Near East thought in the old Testament.
Hold on a second.
We need some music for you.
Oh, do I get music for this?
Okay.
I think you need some music for that.
Uh, let's see what I've got here.
That's not it.
Sorry.
That's not it.
No, that's not it.
Yeah.
So I read this last night and it
stuck out to me.
It says, um, uh, when it comes to
the formulation of our modern theology, based on
the biblical text, we may logically conclude that
without the guidance of background studies, we are
bound to misinterpret the text at some point.
A text can be thought of as a
web of ideas linked by the threads of
writing.
Each phrase in each word communicate, communicates by
the ideas and thoughts that it will trigger
in the mind of the reader or the
hearer.
We can then speak of potential meanings that
the words point to as gaps that need
to be filled.
One hopes appropriately meaning by the, uh, with
meaning by the audience.
So what he, what he's saying is it's
not, it's not necessarily the words themselves that
can, that, that convey the meaning.
It's the, it's your understanding of the context
of what it, of what you're reading.
Yes, exactly.
There's going to be this, this thing is
telling you something and you think you understand
what it, what it's saying.
And so you fill in the gaps in
your understanding by your past experiences, current experiences,
all these other things.
You bring meaning to it rather than it
being purely the other way around.
Um, and so that's, that's what I'm saying
here.
So when you add like the medium tag,
suddenly we're not talking about a podcast anymore.
When you see an item, you're, you're, the
medium is music.
Now you're talking about a music track, right?
So all these things keep changing.
So the, these, when we define the live
item tag, when we wrote that tag as
a group, um, the, I think, I think
maybe Alex did Alex right there.
I can't, I think he did.
I think he did.
I'm, I'm, I want to try to be
better about giving credit for things.
Um, I'll make sure I find that information.
But, um, when we initially did that tag,
it made the most sense to define it
as a new tag rather than adopt the
item into this new thing, because not because
the item itself couldn't do that, but because
there needed to be a sense of context
that we wanted to convey to a developer
that says, this is a different thing.
And so it's, it's different enough to where
we want you to be able to attach
a new meaning to this thing.
And that meaning is that this thing is
never going to be an irregular episode.
It's always going to be a live episode.
It's a different animal altogether.
Um, that also has the fortunate side effect
of, um, making it very, making it easier
to implement because you don't have to do
a lot of, uh, sort of heuristic parsing.
So Daniel made a comment in the, in
the, um, in the, in the boardroom saying
that, uh, you know, a, a RSS episode,
an RSS item with an enclosure is a
podcast.
No, well, not necessarily.
That's not, that's not true.
It could be a music track.
It could, well, it could be a blog
post with a bit, with a, with a
section of, um, of unreal, uh, with a
section of content that is not an audio
version of the post.
It could be just a, uh, an inserted
clip of something the post talked about.
And that wouldn't, that wouldn't necessarily make much
sense in the context of a podcast app.
Um, and, but, um, but I'm glad he
said that because that's you, that display that
sort of, um, exposes the problem here that
there is a, when you have to do
heuristics, when you have to say, when you
have to begin to, when you have to
be begin to, um, interpret what this thing
is based on a set of criteria where
you say, okay, if this thing contains one
of these and one of these other things,
then it's this.
And if, but if it contains this and
X, Y plus Z, now it's this.
So when you have to start sort of
stringing together a set of heuristics, it becomes
too complicated.
So we did the live item.
It's clear.
It's straightforward.
It's easy to interpret.
And I think it makes the entire process
very straightforward.
Now there's, there's of course going to be
issues.
There's going to be hurdles that have to
overcome.
Like again, like you said, is, is, is
implementation is always the hurdle.
Uh, Franco with Castamatic is going through this
right now.
And I really want to get him on
the show.
He's got a direct conflict with timing that
we may have to like bump the board
meeting to a different time slot.
Because of what is it?
A seven hour time difference.
Yeah.
He said, he said he's usually commuting right
during the show.
So, but I, I want to get him
on because I think it would be, he's
got an iPhone.
What's his problem?
Just put it in your earbuds.
You're good to go, man.
Come on, Franco, get with it.
I think it would be immensely valuable to
hear him talk about his, uh, his journey
through implementing live, because I've said this before,
I think Castamatic is the quintessential, um, version
is the quintessential example of implement to implementation
of any of these features, because it is
a completely disconnected app.
It has no server backend.
It doesn't, um, it, it's a completely self
-contained app.
It's doing RSS the way RSS was always
meant to be, which is, it is, it's
consuming and parsing all the feeds by itself.
Oh, he's not even hitting the index for
that.
He hits the index sometimes, but it's always
from the app, right?
It's never a backend server that he runs.
So that to me is if that is
sort of like, I use this as a,
as like a sort of measuring stick.
If Castamatic can do it, then anybody can
do it.
And like that, he works as a doctor
four days a week.
Yeah.
A couple of his patients have died, but
otherwise it's a great app.
He's like, have you listened to my podcast?
I'm like, what?
I just want to, I just want a
shot.
Um, but, uh, yeah, like a Somerset said
Castamatic and it keeps us grounded.
I think that's true.
It it's, it's the, it's sort of a
clean room, you know, of implementation.
If, if Franco can do it, there's no
excuses.
Um, so I really want to have him
get him on here and talk about, okay,
well, we can, we can totally change the,
it might actually be a good idea.
Friday, April 11th.
I tried, I tried to try it.
I couldn't get out of it.
Oh, what is it?
8 30 AM jury duty.
Oh no.
Oh, when is the last time you had
jury duty?
I've never had to be on jury duty.
I've always gotten out of it.
And this is for Gillespie County.
And, and you have to, you know, you
go through the online process and then, you
know, you're expecting to, well, where's my, they
have all these, I can't do it because
I'm in, I'm fighting a war in a
foreign country.
I'm a hundred years old, you know, all
this different stuff.
Yeah.
Right.
And then, so I go through that expecting
to have a box that says, no, I
can't for this reason.
I got the board meeting, man.
And no, I'm a podcaster.
I'm a podcaster.
I can't do that.
I'm a podcaster.
Uh, and no, no, it's like, yeah, no,
you can't do that shit.
We'll see you at eight 30.
If you don't, it's $500 a day penalty.
So I hope, so I hope to be
able to go there and say, well, first
of all, I have plane tickets for Monday,
um, the 14th, I'm going to Europe for
a couple of days.
So, you know, Oh, I hope it's done
by then.
Well, I, I hope they don't sequester me.
I'm going to say I can't, well, we'll
see what happens.
I've never been, I've never been requested for
jury duty in my entire life.
Oh, that changes as of today.
They heard you now.
They heard you.
Isn't it funny how that works as some
people get, some people get hammered all the
time and other people's that you never get
a request.
Well, Doge is now going to change all
that.
I've been, I've somehow slipped through the cracks
of the jury selection system.
Yeah.
You're off the grid, man.
Do you even pay taxes?
No, I, I just, I, I think, um,
so going forward, um, and I will be
writing more of these sorts of articles.
I don't know how spaced out they'll be
because it does take time.
Um, but I think it's very important, uh,
for lots of different reasons, just so that
we have a plain language, description of these
features and all the context that goes around
them.
Because I think we're sort of past a
lot of the technical hurdles.
I mean, we're still, we're, we're still making
tags and stuff.
I mean, there's not, it's not like things
are finished, but, uh, there's a lot, there's
a big body of work that's already been
created here.
And there's so much misunderstanding about it.
Um, I mean, I, I heard, um, on
pod news weekly review, I heard, uh, James
saying that publisher feeds required use of the
good, and that's not accurate.
Even, even the people that are, that are
intimately involved in the, uh, podcasting 2.0
work don't fully understand the details of a
lot of this.
Um, and so for that reason, it's important
to have a consistent set of sort of
evangelistic articles that go through and do a
comprehensive overview of every aspect of these features
so that there's no misunderstandings.
And also so that if there's ever any
questions or misunderstandings, we can just point them
back to not to the necessarily to the
docs, to the documentation, but point them first
to excellent idea.
Yeah.
To the over to, to this, to the,
to the, um, sort of complete picture with
links to the docs as necessary.
Perfect.
Yeah.
Uh, Dreb, yeah.
Dreb said, Dave, I bet it's mentally therapeutic
for you to write like this.
It absolutely is.
That's an interesting thing that you just said.
I had not thought about that, but it
does feel very good to lay out in
complete detail a feature because then it's just
sort of out of your system because you,
you sort of built, you build up this
mental pressure over time where you hear, you
hear this misunderstanding and this misunderstanding and this
misconstruence and all these, there's all these sort
of like, there's ways that you're, you're wanting
to address all these little misunderstandings and fires
and put them all out, but you really,
I mean, you can, I mean, it's just,
it's too scattered.
And so then you can take it, you
can take all of that stuff and wrap
it all up into one definitive answer that
says, here is the thing.
I think this is, this is a very
good, a very good idea.
And, um, now, so the problem we keep
bumping into is there's this inherent nature of
people to want to have a leader, want
to have a, uh, who's, who's running the
projects, who's doing this.
Uh, we need the hosting companies to pay
for apps.
You know, um, I don't think that's ever
going to work that way.
Um, my experience, and this is, this is
why Stephen B is my hero forever is
if you, if you're publishing the content, if
you're creating the content and I use every
single tag available, which is why you were
actually able to use those examples in your
blog posts.
I've always thought that's what people like.
That's what they develop against.
And, you know, so I love when I
see, cause I hadn't actually looked at it
in a long time.
I look at the live item tag for,
uh, for this podcast and right there, it's
got the status, it's got the pending, the
start and the end times.
It's got the, uh, um, what is it?
The chat server information.
It's got the social interact.
It's got all of it in there.
And I always thought, well, if I'm just
publishing this continuously, people will see it.
And they have, this is how podcasting was
bootstrapped, man.
Like people would change something and I'd add
it to my feed and then publish the
daily source code.
And we have all this stuff.
We're publishing it.
You can test against it with live stuff
all the time.
Same for no agenda.
It's not a small show, by the way.
If people want to, if you create a
kick-ass app, I promote it.
I've been doing it ever for years now,
ever since this show started podcastapps.com from
time to time, I'll mention one of the
podcasts.
It's always going to be one that has
the live item tag that understands it because
that's part of the beauty of it.
And when I tell people, this is my
pitch.
Uh, besides the wonderful chapters, when we go
live, you'll get a notification right there in
your app.
It'll tell you it's the bat signal.
We're going live.
You can listen where your podcast, when you
get your podcast, you listen to us live.
And then when we publish it 90 seconds
later, you'll be notified that it's there.
You don't have to wait two hours for
Apple.
It's a great pitch.
People love that.
Now, excuse me.
I'm sorry.
No, I just think like, I feel.
You feel like a woman.
I feel like a woman.
I think that the biggest hurdle now is
just getting, getting this, getting adoption by, by
apps.
And I don't know any other way to
do it than just right.
You know, I, I, this is another one
of those things that, uh, the episode that
from, uh, last week with, with Tom, with
our talk with Tom is, uh, I realized
that I sort of forgotten how powerful writing
is.
And, um, because you know, what reason we
had Tom on the show is because he
wrote an article and we all read it
and it all meant something to us.
And we, we dissected it and then, you
know, Matt felt, you know, felt a certain
way and he responded to it and then
we read it and felt a certain way
and we had him on the show.
All of these things sort of happened around,
around a lot of writing that happened.
And I think that I had sort of
forgotten that.
So really the failure of podcasting 2.0
is your fault is what you're saying.
It, I'm perfectly willing to accept that.
The failure.
Yes.
The death of podcasting 2.0 is my
fault.
Yeah.
Cause we all know it's dead.
It's dead, Jim.
I love the side channel part because that
when you see that, that's when you really
see how rich, and I'm referring to the
blog post link in the show notes.
That's where you really see how rich this
environment is.
By the way, I can't interact with Disney
plus.
I can't sit there and chat with people
about, you know, house of David that I'm
watching on Amazon.
I'd love to.
I can't do any of that.
I can't write from, I should be able
to write from, from Hulu or how about
this?
Right from angel studios for the chosen man.
If they had a funding tag in there,
I'd click on it and I'd fund them.
Yeah.
Funding tag, please people funding tag, please people
bring that back into your apps, bring it
in and make it clear what it is.
This is something I've noticed is that we've
gotten very used to iconography and man is
hard sometimes.
What do you mean?
So in Godcaster, we have a heart for
um, donations, which in church language is giving,
it's giving, but in, uh, in lots of
podcast app language, a heart means I'm favoriting
that, or it might be a star.
You know, there's all kinds of different, uh,
there's all kinds of different icons for the
same function.
And, uh, and I'm kind of torn.
Is that a, is that really the choice
of the developer or is it a choice
of the publisher or is it a combination
of the two?
Because if I'm, because I have to say,
if you want to support this podcast, what
is that?
Uh, what kind are you drinking?
LaCroix pure.
I don't want, I want to be unadulterated
on the show today.
Um, do I say in pod verse, uh,
tap on the stack of money icon and,
uh, you know, so there's all these different
ways and I'm, I don't have an answer.
I'm just throwing it out there.
I think I have an answer.
I'm all, of course you do.
You're the pod Sage.
Not like that.
But I mean, like, I think I have
something like an answer and that's, um, um,
the, the publisher feed, I think is going
to become more important over time.
Hmm.
You know, you know what?
So the, see there's another, I'm already thinking
of something else that, that needs to be
written here and that's, um, how hard it
is to have a vision of something that
is going to take a long time and
get people not to be frustrated and to
just sort of trust, not even trust, sort
of see the vision along with you, you
know, like, because some of these things are
just going to take a very, very long
time.
Yes, they do.
That's, this is why we're still doing it.
Yeah.
Five years.
Yeah.
We're not actually getting paid to do this
at people.
We're doing this because we care and it
may take another 10 years or 15 years
for some of these things to come to
fruition.
That doesn't mean they failed.
So, but you know, I think the publisher
thing, the publisher feed is going to potentially
be, is going to have something to do
with what you're talking about.
Interesting.
Because you can define that in the publisher
feed.
Yeah, I think so.
I like that.
The publisher feed could become sort of the
way that you deliver styles and iconography and
these other sort of got sort of like
a visual guidance to the end platform, be
it an app or whatever.
I mean, it doesn't mean the app has
to do it.
It just means that you can deliver it
and say, Hey, if you show, and I
don't know how this would be described in
the markup, but I'm just saying like maybe
somewhere in the markup of the publisher feed,
there's a description language that says, Hey, support
links that lead to donation pages.
We want them to have an icon that
looks like a stack of coins instead of
a heart.
Oh, that, that would, yes, that makes a
lot of sense.
I like that.
And it doesn't mean that the apps have
to do it, but they have the option
of letting the publisher control the UI in
some, in some way so that it, so
that the publisher could say, well, you know,
this is what I would like it to
look like because we've already run into that
with, you know, some people don't want money
icons on their, no, they want the words
give, give.
Yeah.
You know, or, or something like that.
So, I mean, everybody's going to have different
sort of, you know, versions of that same
thing.
So, I don't know.
Thank you for that silence.
I love that.
That's one of my favorite things in a
podcast.
I mean, we can just roll the rest
of the show out like that.
I got a mute button right here.
Pensive thoughts.
I mean, I've got a book.
I just read this book.
I can just finish reading this chapter.
I just realized that GitHub has a blame
section.
Did you say blame?
Yeah.
Blame.
B-L-A-M-E.
Blame.
For what?
Well, I'm looking at the, at the namespace.
I'm looking at publishers.md. It has preview
and then it has the code and then
it has a tab called blame.
The blame featuring GitHub helps track changes in
a file showing who last modified each line.
Who's to blame?
Well, me.
Always.
It's always my fault.
I didn't realize that it was called blame.
It should be a Dave button.
It shouldn't be blame.
I'm blaming, just blaming on Dave.
Yeah.
All right.
How do we close out this conversation here?
How do we end this?
What needs to be tackled next?
I mean, as far as like, when it
comes to writing and evangelism, what needs?
Well, this is part of our, if we
have any issue, is we move on quickly
to the next thing.
Maybe we try out this process with one
tag, with the live item tag.
Get Franco on the show, since he keeps
us grounded.
And really focus on this, send people to,
you know, one tag at a time, right?
One inch at a time.
Okay.
And this is, it is a huge tag.
And it's one that we already see media
opportunities for beyond what podcasting is today.
So maybe this is the one.
And I will tell you that there are
companies out there looking very, very closely at
the live item tag.
Hello, Rocky.
We see you listening.
And we're going to have her on the
show too, right?
I hope so.
I see she responded to me.
I got to get back to her.
Because she sees tremendous opportunity for her own
company, but for podcasting in general.
Of course, for the podcast industrial complex, which
we're not necessarily beholden to, but we want
to help.
So I think that's maybe, I mean, chapters,
I think was very successful.
There was already a chapters out there.
So, you know, it was already kind of
in the works.
And some apps are just never going to
do it.
But when I see PocketCast doing it, I'm
very happy.
Yeah, I think that's great.
So, and I think we could even get
PocketCast do the live item tag.
Oh, I think there's no doubt they will
do it.
They will, they will.
I think they absolutely will do it.
It's, I have no doubt in my mind
that within, you know, a couple of years,
they'll have it in there.
Excellent.
A couple of years.
A couple of years, it should be done
today.
Podcasting's dying.
We got to do it now.
And that's the problem.
And that's the whole problem.
But I like, I like what you're, I
like what you're saying.
We need to stay on, on the one
tip for a while.
Yeah, just the tip.
Just you stay on just one, this one
tip for a while.
And yeah, and then, and just to, because
that's the other problem is, is that the,
the sort of like news cycle, you know,
you, you put out an article or something
like that.
And then if you don't follow up, if
you don't kind of continue to, to write
and put out information, it just gets completely
lost.
So we'll need to, you know, I'll need
to continue on this sort of strain until
we start to see some movement, you know,
and, and just, or at least run it
until, you know, we, we think we've sort
of wrenched every drop out of, of, of
the evangelism effort that we can possibly do.
Yeah.
And I think that we should probably, you
know, if something just isn't being adopted for
whatever reason, then maybe that's a signal we
take as well.
Maybe we need to move on to a
different one.
Yeah, maybe so.
Yeah.
And then that can be our leadership evangelism
role.
What is that like?
Yeah.
Like evangelism.
We also need to have Matt Medeiros on
the show.
Cause he's the, he's an evangelist.
He's a troublemaker, man.
I don't know if we want him on
the show.
He's trouble.
He's just, he's a YouTuber.
He's not a podcaster.
Whoa.
Oh, I'm throwing down that.
Now you really got to have him on
the show.
I want to, I want to hear spicy
Matt.
Mad Matt, not spicy Matt.
Mad Matt.
Matt, I want to hear that.
Okay.
Yeah.
You just, you, you just, I did, I
did fighting words on the show in the,
in the board meeting.
All right.
Let me see.
Oh, let's, let's thank some people, Dave.
And we can wrap up with some, with
some nice love talk.
Okay.
I'll kick it off.
We have been receiving some live boosts as
much appreciated and some good ones too.
11,155 from Ross Clark.
Ross Clark.
I don't know.
I don't know if I, if I've ever
seen Ross Clark.
R A S C L A R T.
Ross Clark.
I'm going to, you know, I think we've,
I think we've got a defragment Ross Clark.
I don't think Ross Clark has ever boosted.
I could be wrong.
Isn't that Dreb Scott's kids?
Well, he fragmented.
Yes, I believe so.
And Ross Clark says, appreciate you.
I N P C.
What does that mean?
I N P C.
In no particular case.
It's a short, it's an abbreviation for anthroponetic.
A thousand sats from, and he's coming in
from Podverse.
Actually there's CLAAS on Linux.
Just coming in with a fresh boost.
Thousand sats.
Almost got run over.
I'm on a walk and it's dark.
Normally I have a light, but that wasn't
charged.
Car got very close, man.
I don't want to die listening to Dave
talk about riding the tip.
Don't walk around at night in all black.
Let that be a warning to all of
you.
If you, if you have to go out,
I really don't want you to go out
listening to my voice.
I want it to be much more meaningful
than that.
CLAAS comes back with another thousand sats.
The tech part is not hard, bro.
My feed parser is already over 1500 lines
long and it doesn't work yet.
I don't even want that much data from
a feed.
Probably should refactor it.
Put people out, out a lot, or put
out a lot of bad different things in
their feeds.
Well, yes, this is why the podcast index
exists.
This is why we're here.
To handle that stuff, handle that stuff for
you.
Another CLAAS on Linux.
AI now is good when you do code
stuff that is common.
Also don't go in with threads too long.
It's going to screw up too.
Don't use AI for code if you don't
know how to read what it wants to
do.
Well, that's very helpful and that's not the
promise.
That is not the promise.
Another reason why Satya Nadella is full of
crap is because Copilot, I've tried to use
it two times.
I've tried to use it in Excel and
I asked it to produce a pie chart
for me and it said chug, chug, chug,
chug.
It actually says chug?
It says chug?
Yeah, it does a chug.
It doesn't say a chug.
Oh, okay.
It just chugs along for a minute and
then it pops up and it goes, ping,
I made you a pie chart.
Where's that pie chart?
It's not there.
You can't find it.
It's probably, no, it's on your OneDrive.
Go get it out of the folder on
your OneDrive.
And then today I used it.
I was looking at a clearly a phishing
email and I hit the summarize button at
the top of my Outlook window and I
thought, because I hit it, because I thought,
I wonder if it'll tell me this looks
like a phishing email because it was clearly
a phishing email.
And so I hit the summarize button and
guess what happened?
It summarized it.
Outlook crashed.
Yes.
So I opened Outlook back up, hit the
summarize button again, and it crashed again.
Okay, this thing is a piece of crap.
Wow.
But it's the future.
And you know, this will all work great
when we have quantum computing.
So don't worry, it's all coming.
That's what it needs.
Yeah, it needs what it needs.
You ever notice that they talk about qubits
in quantum computing?
Yeah, qubits.
Yeah, where else do you know?
I only know qubits from one other place.
What is that?
From the Bible.
Oh, but it's spelled differently.
It's spelled differently, sure.
But you can't fool me, Silicon Valley.
No, they're building the digital Noah's Ark.
That's right.
Row of ducks from Lyceum coming in from
pod fans.
Dave, welcome back to the blogosphere.
I've been blogging since 2002.
This is Martin Lindeskog.
I will read your long form blog post
during the weekend.
I will link to it in the near
future.
I am more of a pundit blogger.
You have the ducks in a row.
I look forward to going live in the
future as soon as I figured out the
way of doing it on podhome.fm. All
the best, Martin Lindeskog.
Martin, can I get on your blog roll?
Just came in 5,000 stats from the
no agenda millennial.
Basing your AI view on copilot or chat
GPT is like saying podcast apps suck and
only use Apple and Spotify.
Might I suggest Claude AI?
Yes, you might.
But I'm not doing it again.
I've got void zero.
That's a void zero.
My AI, my void zero AI reached out
to me through Telegram and said, silly man,
I know everything about liquid soap.
Let's do a coding session together.
That's what I want.
I don't want artificial intelligence.
I want actual intelligence.
Exactly.
Well, I'm getting it.
That's what's so beautiful.
Oh, 10,948 Israeli freedom boost from Sir
Brian of London.
Hey, Brian.
Coming in on podverse.
If anyone in the audience is a current
computer science student, PhD student or researcher and
wants to help me publish something about pod
paying, get in touch.
I want to talk.
Dr. Brian of London.
Hey, Dr. Nice.
420.
Brian back on the saddle.
Yes.
420.
Well, he's not being bombarded with missiles recently.
So it's easier to think.
It's easier to think when missiles aren't dropping
on your head.
420 stats from Lyceum.
Coming in from true fans.
Adam, what are your plans for April 20th?
I'm not a pothead, but I am for
legalization.
Here's a super comment with 420 Satoshi's best
premises.
Oh, that's Martin Lindsay Koge again.
I don't celebrate that anymore.
I've never really had.
1234 from Salty Crayon.
Salty Sage.
Dave will need to verify his favorite flavor
of crayon.
The mix between beef milkshake and popcorn in
the pipe.
Periwinkle.
That's my favorite crayon.
A thousand again from Silos on Linux.
The blue check mark on X is paid.
Yes, it costs about $50 a month now.
54 in Germany for the highest tier called
premium plus.
Good Lord.
Salty Crayon on CurioCaster.
He got the bad signal.
Thank you very much.
Then let me see.
Do we have the.
The.
Randy Black.
That's just before the delimiter, so we'll hit
that one.
5000 sats from Podverse.
Dave Jones must be commended and acknowledged for
the legend he is.
A tremendous blog post on the value of
live podcasting came out and was able to
be featured in the pod news newsletter.
Way to go, Dave.
Running with scissors, but be sure to not
raw dog it like you did with that
curry.
It was tremendously long.
And then just on the very edge here,
the cutting edge triple, no, four sevens from
Dreb Scott.
That's why I heard the angel boost, boost,
boost, boost.
And one more thousand sad boost from Silos
on Linux.
You only don't celebrate 420 because of those
six BTC you spent.
That's right.
I once bought when, what was the name
of the online marketplace?
Oh, Silk Road.
Silk Road.
Yeah.
When Silk Road was just starting up and
I tried it and I'm like, well, and
we did it on no agenda.
I was like, well, let me see if
I can buy some weed.
And I bought a baggie of weed for
six Bitcoin.
I mean, I thought I was a genius
and when I sold six Bitcoin back, you
know, a few years ago for $1,800
each to, for a trip to California, I
was like, man, I sold it right at
the top.
Nailed it.
Well, they're just coming in hot now.
Four, four sevens from GagglePod.
GagglePod.
That's Kyle from Once Told here.
Once told.
I think he needs to be defragmented.
I wonder if podcast hosting companies know that
they can support the lit tag without needing
to provide the actual streaming server.
Love you guys.
Have a great weekend.
Go podcasting.
Go podcasting!
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
RSS.com does and Blueberry both.
They both do that.
And Podhome and I think RSSblue.com support
it and Podhome even gives you a streaming
server.
Yeah.
Spin one up.
I think they're the only one so far
that does.
Yeah.
But the rest of them that support, yeah,
they definitely know that.
It's easy, man.
Just get yourself some liquid soap, ice cast
server and chat GPT.
You'll be on your on the road soon.
Yeah, it's just that simple.
And once you recompile your kernel, you'll be
good to go.
Man, what a piece of crap.
I could not believe it.
Oh, looks like we got to recompile your
kernel.
So FFmpeg will work perfectly.
I don't think so.
I'm not that stupid.
I haven't recompiled.
I've not recompiled a Linux kernel in many,
many years.
I wonder what it's even like now.
It used to be this.
Yeah, there's like DOS screens.
Yeah.
And you would walk through it and choose
the modules you wanted to load.
I've done it.
Back in the old days with like Red
Hat 6.2 and stuff, you would have,
you needed to recompile your kernel because it
has so much bloated crap in it.
I love BoosterGram.
So I just got a BoosterGram for the
no agenda show.
Episode 1750, 1,000 sats from someone actually.
And the BoosterGram is, Adam pissed me off
basically the entire episode.
I love that.
And they paid you to say that.
I love that.
That makes me feel so good.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
All right.
I hit the delimiter here.
So you're up, Dave.
Oh, theboysatrss.com, Ben and Alberto, 1123.58.
Boom!
You guys, thank you so much.
That is truly, truly fantastic.
Keeps the servers running, boys.
Thank you.
Thank you to Adam and Dave.
Like the Fibonacci sequence, your work is a
symbol of growth, balance and beauty.
Each step amplifying the last, pushing open podcasting
forward.
Alberto, Ben and the team at rss.com.
You guys rock.
Thank you.
They said they're going to be at Evolutions,
and I was talking to Alberto in the
emails this morning about some stuff with the
index database dump.
Now, is there a PSP get-together at
Podcast Medium?
Is that what's happening?
I don't know.
I'm remiss because I have not yet read
the article that they put out because they
just posted something.
Oh, they did?
Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like a we're not dead yet article
or whatever.
Let's see, podcast standards.
Was it pod?
Yeah, pod stand, pod standards.
Pod standards, there it is.
Blog, let me see.
What we've achieved and what comes.
When is this?
When was this posted?
It was posted like maybe two days ago,
I think.
Oh, this is a nice article.
OK, I'm going to put that in the
show notes as well.
Yeah, I like this.
I sort of skimmed it, but I printed
it out to go back and read later.
I just did that today with something.
I love printing it out and then reading
it.
It really does help.
It's so it's so much better on the
eyes, you know?
Yeah, we got some monthlies.
We got oh, wait, wait.
I need to do Instagrams.
What am I doing?
Yes, what are you doing?
Oh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck.
Twenty two, twenty two through podcast guru.
He says another good episode.
Tom definitely has the typical radio voice.
Yes, he does.
Even though he's never been on the radio.
He's a liar.
I don't believe him for a second.
He's been on NPR for years.
NPR, yes.
Tom Webster, NPR, Tom Webster, NPR, all things
considered.
He was on the weekend edition.
The B team.
I always like the weekend edition of of
all things of the NPR.
They had like they weren't your typical.
They had like more energy and stuff.
They didn't feel like they were dead inside.
It's so true.
Commissary blogger, the delimiter 17, 655 through fountain.
Commissary blogger says.
Howdy, Bitcoin bros, Adam and Dave.
Today, I'd like to recommend many no agenda
podcast called Planet Rage by two Irish Americans,
Larry Blytner and Darren O'Neill.
They basically play clips and swear in vulgar
language and bad mouth Trump haters and Ukraine
lovers.
Find them at www.planetrage.show. Relaxing podcast
for MAGA folk.
Yo, CSB.
I like Planet Rage.
I haven't listened to it in a while.
They go live as well.
And it's always a perfect walk in the
dog in the afternoon live show.
And I often wind up boosting while walking
and boosting from my flip phone, which is
even more interesting because you can fat finger
that thing.
Oops, I didn't mean to send 500,000
sets.
It's yeah, they're an interesting team.
I like them.
It's a good show.
It's a great name too, Planet Rage.
That's exactly the opening of Planet Rage.
Have you ever heard the opening of Planet
Rage?
I haven't listened to that show in about
two years.
So no, I don't know.
I don't remember what it is.
Oh man, you got to hear it.
Hold on a second.
Planet Rage.
Let me see.
Where is it?
Here we go.
Listen to the, oh, here we go.
Open up the, uh, yeah.
Because that's the way the fucking law is
written, you prick.
Well, they're, they're doing kind of the no
agenda format with, in fact, it's a no,
a mini no agenda as comics or bloggers
said.
And they do a little clip at the
beginning.
Just listen to the opening montage though.
It's exactly, you did.
You know, exactly, exactly the way it goes.
That's funny.
We got some monthlies.
We got Michael Kimmerer, $5 and 33 cents.
Chris Bernardik, $5.
Dreb Scott, hey Dreb, $15.
Jordan Dunville, $10.
James Sullivan, $10.
Cohen Glossbach, $5.
Christopher Reamer, $10.
And Pedro Goncalves, $5.
That's our group.
Ah, lovely.
Thank you all so much.
Look at the time.
Perfect.
One hour, 27 minutes and 21 seconds, which
means we could drag it out.
But I have a call coming up at
2.30. I need to publish this thing.
So I'll get it out.
Brother Dave, thank you.
You, you really brought it today, man.
You, you well thought out.
Thank you for the blog post.
And I love the kind of the direction
that we're going to take.
And go lit everybody.
Go lit.
That's the, that's the term for today is
go lit.
Go lit or go home or shut up.
That's right.
Thank you.
Board meeting.
Thank you.
Boardroom.
We appreciate y'all.
Dave, have yourself a great weekend, brother.
You too, man.
We'll see you next week, everybody.
For more information.
Go podcasting.